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« Reply #2130 on: November 05, 2019, 05:10:45 PM »
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« Reply #2131 on: November 18, 2019, 01:41:26 PM »
https://vimeo.com/62178813?ref=fb-share&1   Father Desi ď The way I see it ď
Hi Murph,
Can I be nosy and ask where in the Murph do you hail from? I'm from Ballymurphy Drive myself but haven't lived there for a long time  :-*

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« Reply #2132 on: November 18, 2019, 05:19:05 PM »
Hi Murph,
Can I be nosy and ask where in the Murph do you hail from? I'm from Ballymurphy Drive myself but haven't lived there for a long time  :-*
yes Stickinout the crescent  ;) so who are ya  :D
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« Reply #2133 on: November 19, 2019, 04:11:14 PM »
Can anyone remember the names of any of the priests who used to escort Protestants to visit relatives graves in the City Cemetery at the height of the Troubles?
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« Reply #2134 on: November 19, 2019, 06:54:13 PM »
Strange post  ???  people were never  stopped from visiting the cemetery it was opened fars I recall of a Sunday when I went to St Johns mass was well looked after too can’t recall anything bad happening there during the troubles why don’t you email the person who looks after it now or maybe mail the general office ( Belfast city council ) they may have that info I really have never heard if this but I will stand corrected  :) be interesting  if you get that info  better still ask Tom Hartley or you could do a walking tour of this beautiful place find out the answer to your question
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« Reply #2135 on: November 20, 2019, 01:15:22 AM »

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« Reply #2136 on: November 20, 2019, 09:27:01 AM »
Strange post  ???  people were never  stopped from visiting the cemetery it was opened fars I recall of a Sunday when I went to St Johns mass was well looked after too canít recall anything bad happening there during the troubles why donít you email the person who looks after it now or maybe mail the general office ( Belfast city council ) they may have that info I really have never heard if this but I will stand corrected  :) be interesting  if you get that info  better still ask Tom Hartley or you could do a walking tour of this beautiful place find out the answer to your question
BMG , I recall that there was a service in the City Cemetery early seventies with both communities invited along with various clergy and that came about as a result of stories and genuine fears  expressed by relatives wanting to safely visit the graveyard Given itís position on the road the issue was often getting access to the place . I know after this service that people made arrangements through community organisations and clergy to come and pay their respects, given that no one could safely say their safety was guaranteed. It was a wee bit dangerous at times,for all of us.

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« Reply #2137 on: November 20, 2019, 10:39:49 AM »
BMG , I recall that there was a service in the City Cemetery early seventies with both communities invited along with various clergy and that came about as a result of stories and genuine fears  expressed by relatives wanting to safely visit the graveyard Given it’s position on the road the issue was often getting access to the place . I know after this service that people made arrangements through community organisations and clergy to come and pay their respects, given that no one could safely say their safety was guaranteed. It was a wee bit dangerous at times,for all of us.
it was Chris C many’s a riot there in the early 70s it was dangerous for everyone your right on the walk up the road we would’ve gone through from the bottom gate if the city’ because we loved reading all the headstones it always was and still is a beautiful place everyone’s  is entitled to visit thier graves  there’s nothing more sacred unfortunately  lately as we know all denominations are sadly bring wrecked by mindless thugs nowadays who don’t give a fiddlers n that’s sad
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« Reply #2138 on: November 20, 2019, 12:04:52 PM »
Can anyone remember the names of any of the priests who used to escort Protestants to visit relatives graves in the City Cemetery at the height of the Troubles?

This is merely a guess but if things were as Chris C and BMG outline them, Canon Padraig Murphy, St John's, Father Vincent McKinley St Peter's may have been some of the clergy involved. Father Des Wilson may also have been involved but less likely that he was of the 'orthodox' variety of establishment at that stage. Father Wilson, the priests I have mentioned, Rev Brian Smeaton, Rev Norman Hamilton [perhaps too early for him] are possibles.

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« Reply #2139 on: November 20, 2019, 02:56:01 PM »
I only asked this question because it came up in conversation after a recent funeral I attended.My cousin said he remembers his father and another uncle telling him about the Priests walking with them to their fathers grave.Apparently the Priests met them at the main entrance.My uncles always appreciated this gesture as Belfast was a particulary dangerous place at the time,as I'm sure you know.
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« Reply #2140 on: November 20, 2019, 06:11:40 PM »
It certainly was for everyone but thankfully they got to see the graves
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« Reply #2141 on: November 20, 2019, 08:15:16 PM »
I only asked this question because it came up in conversation after a recent funeral I attended.My cousin said he remembers his father and another uncle telling him about the Priests walking with them to their fathers grave.Apparently the Priests met them at the main entrance.My uncles always appreciated this gesture as Belfast was a particulary dangerous place at the time,as I'm sure you know.

These events took place on certain Sundays only.  :) It gave Protestant people the opportunity to visit family graves.  :)
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« Reply #2142 on: November 20, 2019, 09:18:15 PM »
These events took place on certain Sundays only.  :) It gave Protestant people the opportunity to visit family graves.  :)
itís a mixed graveyard it gave everyone  the opportunity to visit thier family graves no one was ever stopped  ::)
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« Reply #2143 on: November 20, 2019, 11:19:48 PM »

I only asked this question because it came up in conversation after a recent funeral I attended.My cousin said he remembers his father and another uncle telling him about the Priests walking with them to their fathers grave.Apparently the Priests met them at the main entrance.My uncles always appreciated this gesture as Belfast was a particulary dangerous place at the time,as I'm sure you know.


Yes, this was on the heels of an attempt to stop Protestant burials at the cemetery, it first came to a head in 1973 when the protestant gravediggers were targeted and protestant funerals had to turn back at the gates, contingency arrangements were even made to provide burial elsewhere if needed.

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« Reply #2144 on: November 21, 2019, 01:12:45 AM »
Yes, this was on the heels of an attempt to stop Protestant burials at the cemetery, it first came to a head in 1973 when the protestant gravediggers were targeted and protestant funerals had to turn back at the gates, contingency arrangements were even made to provide burial elsewhere if needed.

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