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katie morris

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Rostrevor Cemetery need advice
« on: March 15, 2009, 02:38:05 AM »
Who has the burial records for the cemeteries at Rostrevor? 

Related to old Rev. Evans, was at C of I Rostrevor, in mid 1800s.  Think 3 children and maybe him, buried there.  Get no reply from church.

Any advice how to proceed, appreciated, or if you know someone who can help :yahoo: :yahoo:
Katie

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Re: Rostrevor Cemetery need advice
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2009, 06:08:45 PM »
Are you sure of your
Rev. Edward John Evans OR is it Rev. John Edward Evans.

I started Ros Davies  place name entry  in http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies
Rosstrevor/Rostrevor Kilbroney 29: 17/18 a town, a townland of 510 acres and a parish; on Carlingford Lough 1km SE of Newry; click here for a photo and more information; click here to see its location on a townland map .

Under her Kilbroney church entry she notes Records from 1814 available her records for the church include her references inc MIs [ie Monumental Inscriptions, which might mean the Memorials of Irealnf or Clarke, Richard S J Gravestone Inscriptions.] In the description of the Church she notes The vicar in 1836 & 1846 was Rev. Edward John Evans and the curate was Rev. Benjamin Jacob.   Then I switched to Evans in her surname listings

Edward EVANS . Kilbroney bpt. 23 Jun 1815 at Kilbroney Catholic Church; son of   Evans & Sarah White; sponsors were Bernard Ward & Elizabeth Morgan  PR
Rev. Edward John EVANS    Kilbroney vicar at Rostrevor; resident in 1824; school visitor in 1836 POD; V3 p 33, 35, 38 OSM
Rev. John EVANS . Kilbroney vicar of Rostrevor Church of Ireland in 1846; father of Edward Kentish Evans  POD ; Katie Morris
This last reference is very special, try to contact Katie Morris.

Then I googled and discovered the first names  re-arranged as John Edwards appear in the series The Peerage,  so do look up http://thepeerage.com/p20477.htm#i204770 where you will find information on Rev John Edward Evans who lived at Rostrevor, County Down m Elizabeth Kentish and had son John etc…. This information which I have abbreviated for showing how you how to look up in Burkes Peerage, appears to have been supplied by Suzi Miller, to Darryl Roger Lundy, 6 September 2006. Try to contact both of these sources.

Also from Google I found an interesting link http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Bristol_and_Somerset/2007-01/1167764136 where there is more information. I think I will stop now.

The current clergyman sadly didn’t reply to you, the old method was to include a £5 note with your query, which I thought nowdays would be obsolete. The PRONI website says microfiche or film exists for the Church of Ireland in
Parish Kilbroney, Co Down  Ref No.MIC1/87 & MIC1/88


You could write to the Mayor of Rostrevor and see what he can do, everyone wants tourists surely in these difficult times or you could write to C of I Hdqs Dublin, mentioning the Burkes Peerage connection and they might be interested in helping in some way.
Anyway, Good luck, Jim

Christopher

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Re: Rostrevor Cemetery need advice
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2009, 06:32:50 PM »
I don't know if Rostrevor has a Mayor. I think it's in the Newry and Mourne Council area. I was going to suggest one of the folk singers from the village
and then I thought there might be a Rostrevor Historical Society. Send a message to the Society ... one of the members may help you http://rostrevorhs.wordpress.com

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2009, 06:46:32 PM »
Here's an interesting person from Rostrevor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ross_(general)

katie morris

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Re: Rostrevor Cemetery need advice
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2010, 11:13:35 PM »
UPDATE :air_kiss:

Wonderful how the Belfast Forum tookoff and is still going strong!
 1st Christopher, Yes I did visit with the Newry/Mourne council and receive advice from them.  I never reached the Historical Society. The website looks neat but unused. ( & ps I have wanted to tell you for awhile now that I very much admire your help on so many genealogy sites.  Don't know how you manage it. )
Jim you sent so many ideas & the links you sent are right on.  Suzi Miller is an Evans cousin over here :) & PRONI does have the records & I found a lovely volunteer   :yahoo: to email pic's & several more treasures to me.
& Hendy, YES, Robert Ross ... my sister follows more working on him than I do anymore.  Rev. Evans and Mrs. Ross, the generals wife, were 1st cousins.  Their Scriven mother's - were sisters. 

Last September I received mail from Robert Linden of Warrenpoint, totally unexpected & full of Treasures. :dance1: Someone had passed one of my letters onto him.  He sent me information and pictures of the cemetery where Rev. Evans & family ARE buried. 

I am constantly being amazed & so grateful to hear from so many lovely people who volunteer to help.  A little piece from everyone makes the jigsaw come together. 
GOOD on the update that the PRONI will be moving until Summer 2011.  There is something there I want to have copies, of but will now wait until next summer to work on.
 :drinks: Cheers to all of you my lovely IRISH penpals,  Katie in California   :drinks:
ps LOVE the smilies


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Re: Rostrevor Cemetery need advice
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2016, 01:52:53 AM »
I know this is a very old post, but I have just stumbled upon it. I have a connection through an entry in an old family bible as follows:

Robert Thompson married to Jane McClelland 9 mo 6th 1823 in Rostr.  church by the Rev Mr Evans.

It then lists the birthdates and times of their children: Eliza Jane, George Robt, Sarah, William, Robt, Mary Ann.

I also have information that Robert and Jane were killed in a train crash in about 1830 and the children were shared amongst relatives.

I believe this marriage was Church of Ireland. Does anyone know if the records are available online as I live overseas.

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2016, 09:10:57 AM »
Hi kiwijuddie, thats not easy at all, i looked
     try  to download from PRONI Belfast https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide_to_church_records.pdf 
KILBRONEY, CO. DOWN
C.I. Kilbroney (Dromore diocese)
Baptisms, 1814-71; marriages, 1818-45; burials, 1814- 94; vestry minutes, 1798-1860 and 1870-1937. MIC1/87-88 [/font]
MIC1/87-88 [/font]
 
Parish registers, 1784-1867. DIO/1/14/1 [/font]
 
Churchwardens’ accounts, 1849-84 and 1904-22; preachers’ books, 1813-85, 1890-94 and 1901-35; Sustentation Fund accounts, 1871-9; annual statements, 1873-1930. In local custody [/font]
 Rod Davies Co Down website  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/KilbroneyAll.htm#ci  gives
Church of Ireland, Rostrevor
in Church Street  .There is a monument in the church to Major- General Ross, the commanding officer of the 20th regiment of foot who fell 12th September 1814 in the attack on Baltimore. Another marble tablet was placed by Richard Jebb in memory of his nephew John Heyland McCormick who died in 1829, aged 23, when a gun exploded in Rostrevor Bay. The vicar in 1836 & 1846 was Rev. Edward John Evans and the curate was Rev. Benjamin Jacob. There was a Church Education Society School & teacher's house here in 1863. The rector in 1910 was Rev. T.W.E. Drury.
 
its strange that Ros Davies  hasn’t detailed the extanct church records in which she often gives who else has copied them  eg familysearch.org and sometimes if the tombstones etc have been listed. the same silence appears at http://www.ancestryireland.com and their sister
website, history from headstones
 
an illustrated book about 120 pages
Village in seven hills : the story and stories of Rostrevor, Co. Down
Crowe, W. Haughton (William Haughton)
Dundalk, (Ire.) : Dundalgan Press, 1972.
on sale try Abebooks.co uk Amazon etc
 
I couldnt find anyMcClelland or Thompson found in Kilbroney civil parish in these two census substitutes
in 1863 in Griffiths valuation see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation
in 1834  http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/kilbroney-parish.php#.Vx3NTGOoc5Q

i didnt try the newry website whose envelope might include something
hoping others come to help you.
 

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Re: Rostrevor Cemetery need advice
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2016, 09:42:07 AM »

I also have information that Robert and Jane were killed in a train crash in about 1830 and the children were shared amongst relatives.


     There were no railways in Ireland in 1830. The first was built in 1834 (Dublin to Kingstown, today’s Dun Laoghaire). Then that was it for a while.  The first railway to reach Co Down arrived at Newry about 1849.  So assuming the train crash happened in Ireland, it was probably a few years after 1830.
 
Elwyn

kiwijuddie

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Re: Rostrevor Cemetery need advice
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2016, 02:17:59 PM »

Hi Jim and Elwyn, Thanks so much for your welcome and helpful replies.

Jim - the records you listed for Kilbroney C of I begin in 1814 and thankfully include the years I need to search for my Thompson/McClelland marriage and christenings.  As I cannot make a visit to PRONI, could you recommend someone to do this for me. I don't believe PRONI has this service.


Elwyn - I made a typo when I wrote 1830 - it was supposed to be 1840. However, I have never been able to find any reference to a train crash in this timeframe and place and I don't even know where it was supposed to have occurred. I only know that it was when the youngest child, Mary Ann was a toddler and she was born in 1838.


Thanks again
Paula

James James

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2016, 02:34:54 PM »
Ulster only had 20 miles of rail and  7 engines in 1840. Railway accidents became increasingly common in the Victorian era and they got a lot of attention and documenting. http://tinyurl.com/hjfugfd This map shows the extent of the railways in 1845. http://tinyurl.com/zncnvnr

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2016, 10:54:01 AM »
hi kiwi,      1864 in Griffiths valuation, see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation  the only possible relevant and nearest relative is one Sarah Thompson, living just under 3 miles from Rosstrevor in [15] Post Office Street,  in  Warrenpoint  itself within Ringmackilry townland in Warrenpoint civil parish. She lives in a house valued at 9 ten shillings ps [which is wellto do with house office and yard. She also rents out Nos 17,18,19
 
sadly Warrenpoint doesn’t have a separate list of  persons in tithe-applotment-books, but under nearby http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/clonallan-parish.php#.Vx8w3mOoc5Q
 is listed
Thomboe, Michl.        Townland: Ringmacilroy Year: 1834 which surrounds Warrenpoint itself
Thompson, Capt. Townland: Ringmacilroy Year: 1834
Thompson, Mat.         Townland: Glebe Year: 1834 I think this is Clonallan Glebe townland in Warrenpoint parish, the neighbouring eastern towland
Thomson, Mathew    Townland: Ballymaconaghy Year: 1834 I think this is Ballymaconagh  townland in Warrenpoint parish which sits ontop of Clonallan Glebe townland
 
as spellings are  somewhat erratic in these books I would also include Thomas, Pat. Townland: Moygannon Year: 1834 in
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/kilbroney-parish.php#.Vx8o0GOoc5Q    Moygannon is the next-door easterly neighbor townland to Clonallan Glebe but in  Kilbroney parish ,
we are getting really close to Rostrevor .
 
So my conclusion is these Thompsons could be the most likely line of research for you. To encourage you
 
I quickly extracted  hopefully all Warrenoint Thompson from http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies which is a not for profit website
Anthony         THOMPSON   .           Warrenpoint  husband of Margaret Walmsley ; father of male child b. 1 Jun 1869    CR
George            THOMPSON   .           Warrenpoint  of Warrenpoint; died 12 Jul 1854 aged 56; buried Kilkeel old graveyard        MIs
Isabella           THOMPSON   .           Warrenpoint  sponsor at the baptism of Catherine , daughter of James Ward & Mary McCourt 10 Nov 1845 at Warrenpoint Catholic Church         PR
Martha           THOMPSON   .           Warrenpoint  died 10 Mar 1823 aged 72; buried Kilkeel old graveyard          MIs
Robert Kirkpatrick    THOMPSON   .           Warrenpoint  donated £1 for widows & orphans of the victims of Newcastle storm & fishing disaster & 21 Jan 1843*; died 5 May 1852 aged 59; buried Kilkeel old graveyard           DR;MIs
Ross    THOMPSON   .           of Warrenpoint         died 16 Aug 1827 aged 38; buried Kilkeel old graveyard          MIs
Miss    Wilhelmina    THOMPSON   .           Warrenpoint  died 28 Oct 1868 aged 94; buried St. Patrick's Church of Ireland graveyard, Newry; left a will, executors were Acheson Thompson Henderson of Dublin & John Henderson of Middlesex    MIs; OFN p 88
William           THOMPSON   .           Warrenpoint  a carpenter in Warrenpoint in 1824          POD
William           THOMPSON   .           Warrenpoint  husband of Anne  ; father of Florence Bertha b. 22 Jun 1872            CR
 
you will be into church records and proni Belfast next.  I would recommend you consider the Ulster historical Foundation ie ancestryireland or  Ulster Ancestry Geneology, get a clear idea of costs because both can do more than look up a PRONI object for you.  Unless you get a volunteer on this wbsite
 

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Re: Rostrevor Cemetery need advice
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2016, 12:25:17 PM »
Hi Jim, Wow! Thanks so much for taking the time to search out this information for me - I really appreciate it. I will make contact with the sites you suggested and hope to make some connections and progress with the parish records.

Kind regards,
Paula

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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2019, 11:05:06 AM »
Hi wanting to follow up on the Crag cemetery in Rostrevor in relation to the Rev. Edward J. Evans died 21st Mar 1861. He died in Dublin but Robert Linden who sadly passed away last year was convinced he rests at the Crag. Having looked up the Cemetery survey from 1993 and having checked the graveyard he is not there. Would anybody know how we could contact Katie Morris on this thread as she would have the answer. Many thanks.

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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2019, 11:35:37 AM »

Hi wanting to follow up on the Crag cemetery in Rostrevor in relation to the Rev. Edward J. Evans died 21st Mar 1861. He died in Dublin but Robert Linden who sadly passed away last year was convinced he rests at the Crag. Having looked up the Cemetery survey from 1993 and having checked the graveyard he is not there. Would anybody know how we could contact Katie Morris on this thread as she would have the answer. Many thanks.


Confirmation below from the Newry Telegraph of 30 March 1861:





If there are any images posted above that are important to you, take your own copy - I cannot guarantee they will appear indefinitely.

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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2019, 10:04:21 AM »
Many thanks!! This hints at a family plot so may have to travel further back in time  to locate him.