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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2009, 06:25:32 AM »
Wasn't that John McKeague, who ran a shop on the Albertbridge Road, involved in some way. I think he had the shop beside the Orange Hall for a while.
I know that big Paisley cut all ties with him for some reason. I don't think McKeague was very trustworthy and was using the troubles for his own promotion. >:(
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2009, 10:10:42 AM »
Aye, I think McKeague run a tartan gang.  I've heard it said before that he was an embarrassment to the Loyalist paramilitaries, and they had him killed. I can't say that for sure, I may have read it. They also used to say he had a special liking for young boys.
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2009, 10:36:01 AM »
Aye, I think McKeague run a tartan gang.  I've heard it said before that he was an embarrassment to the Loyalist paramilitaries, and they had him killed. I can't say that for sure, I may have read it. They also used to say he had a special liking for young boys.
Hopefully Satin is packing McKeague's fudge, along with the rest of the kiddie fiddlers.

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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2009, 01:44:35 AM »
here i go again i agree with u teragom//and hendy but we all complain about it  [who does anything]      (think its time we all took a stand and ,at least tried )

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2009, 07:48:31 PM »
Hopefully Satin is packing McKeague's fudge, along with the rest of the kiddie fiddlers.

Hendy have you ever thought of putting yourself forward as a judge. Something tells me things would be a lot different around these parts if you were.  :D
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2009, 11:00:38 PM »
John Mckeague was a founding member of the Red Hand Commando an offshoot organization of the UVF, he was also known to be homesexual and alleged to have been involved with the Kincora scandal and is said to have used his status as a leading paramilitary figure to keep his victims silent. (he was also rumoured to be working for british intelligence and was further protected from exposure by them)
He is also alleged to have been a sadistic killer who got sexual pleasure from torturing his victims with red hot pokers etc.
He was asassinated outside his shop by an INLA gunman who escaped on foot into the nearby Short Strand.
Martin Dillon reports in his book that the gunman who shot McKeague was also working for British intelligence and his source suggests that he may have carried the murder under orders from his handlers. Apparrently they feared that McKeague was about to outed and if so he would blow the whistle on many Senior policemen, judges and politicians who allegedly abused boys at the home.
 
Of course there has never been any firm evidence of this produced and sadly like the Catholic church scandal we will never know the full shocking truth of these terrible crimes.
 
As for Ian Paisley having any knowledge of Kincora i wouldnt beleive that for a second, say what you want about the bigman but he certainly wouldnt tolerate anything like that in my opinion.
 

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2009, 12:23:12 PM »
Wasnt there a scandal way back in the 60's in canada(i think it was) when Big Ian was accused of having unlawful sex with a minor (girl) and him a married man at time :smile:  I remember seeing the newspaper cuttings in the 70's...But he got out of that one by bribing the victims family just like Michael Jackson did :(  Then paid for a doctorate what a joke!
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2009, 12:29:45 PM »
Found this. . :(
 
ATRICLE:-

Northern Ireland;
Sodom and Kincora

SECTION: World politics and current affairs; BRITAIN; Pg. 25 (U.S. Edition Pg. 33)

LENGTH: 670 words

DATELINE: BELFAST

For the first time in his long political career, the Rev. Ian Paisley has lost face with his own Protestant community. Even those who found his brand of Ulster loyalism unsavoury had to admit that his political instincts were usually unerring. In the past week, however, Mr Paisley has been drawn into the kind of sex scandal that puritan Ulster hates most--a homosexual scandal.Last December three housewardens pleaded guilty in a Belfast court to homosexual offences stretching back 20 years against teenage boys in Kincora, a Belfast boys' home. Locals were soon calling the Kincora case Ulster's ''Watergate'' when it was suggested that the police had been prevented from investigating conditions at the home eight years ago and that the social services department responsible for Kincora had mounted a cover-up. There were also claims that British army intelligence officers had tolerated abuses at Kincora in the hope of gathering information to use against loyalist extremists.

Rumours of a homosexual prostitution ring involving Kincora boys and men prominent in Ulster life quickly followed. All this was enough to make Mr James Prior, the Northern Ireland secretary, mount a private, independent inquiry.It was then that Mr Paisley, leader of Ulster's largest Protestant group, plunged into the middle of the controversy. The Irish Times has been investigating allegations made by Miss Valerie Shaw, a former full-time missionary in Mr Paisley's fundamentalist Free Presbyterian church. She claimed that in 1973 she had gone to Mr Paisley with evidence that one of the Kincora housewardens, Mr William McGrath, was a homosexual. She said she had raised the matter repeatedly with Mr Paisley, and had resigned from his church when he refused to act. Mr McGrath was a political associate of Mr Paisley.
Mr Paisley told the Irish Times that Miss Shaw had never complained to him about Kincora. And there matters might have rested. Next day, however, he suddenly called a press conference at his church where he admitted that she had come to him with evidence of Mr McGrath's homosexuality--but in 1975, not 1973, and unrelated to Kincora.
Mr Paisley also admitted that he had known Mr McGrath for many years, that he had accompanied him on delegations to government ministers and that he had been aware that Mr McGrath was the suspected head of the Protestant paramilitary group, Tara. (Mr McGrath, who has been sentenced to four years' imprisonment for sexual offences against Kincora boys, had set up Tara in the 1960s to work for ''the banning of the Catholic church in Ireland'' and for the arming of Ulster's Protestants.)
Next day one of Mr Paisley's chief Protestant opponents, the leader of Ulster's Orange Order, the Rev. Martin Smyth, revealed that he too had been approached by Miss Shaw and had reported his suspicions to ''the relevant authorities''. Then it was Miss Shaw's turn for a press conference. She repeated her allegations, whereupon, later that same day, Mr Paisley revised his version of events and said that Miss Shaw had come to him in 1974, not 1975 (or 1973).
Several questions have yet to be answered satisfactorily. If Mr Paisley believed the evidence against Mr McGrath, why did he not go to the police? Why was Mr Paisley unaware that Mr McGrath worked in a boy's home when, during all this period, Mr McGrath shared a house with an associate of Mr Paisley? And why did Mr Paisley revise his version of events?

PERSON: IAN RICHARD KYLE PAISLEY (93%);

COUNTRY: NORTHERN IRELAND (97%); UNITED KINGDOM (79%); IRELAND (79%);

CITY: BELFAST, NORTHERN IRELAND (92%);

LANGUAGE: ENGLISH

GRAPHIC: Picture, Lo! The shepherd has stumbled
Copyright 1982 The Economist Newspaper Ltd.
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2009, 12:35:47 PM »
Feek how about this.  .includes Michael Stone!
 
Extracts from Martin Dillons book -The Trigger Men

He has a chapter called "paedophilic terrorists "which deals with kincora.
 
 
William McGrath was actually in the pay of british secret services.

"It was well known that they were taking boys from this and other homes for paedo party's in England.The paedo ring contained members or the british royal family as well as prominent unionist politicians.

John McKeague ,who founded the red hand commandos, was a loyalist paramilitary who was infamous in his own community for his predilection for young boys, not to mention his sadistic murdering of them.

Among his "proteges" was a young Michael Stone and it is clear he picked boys for his paramilitary group as much for sex as for attacking catholics."
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2009, 02:11:09 PM »
Hi Widz, the scandal you mentioned in the 60's was something I was going to post as an enquiry. It wasn't a sex scandal but something about a girl from Nazreth Lodge who became a member of his church..(the wee one down below My Ladies Road. It went to court at the time ...  thats all I can remember.

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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2009, 02:13:45 PM »
Am I correct in saying that at the time of the Kincora Enquiry a witness fell off the Heysham Boat on his way to Belfast to give evidence????????!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2009, 04:18:25 PM »
I knew about the Nazaereth Lodge one but this scandal was i think in canada but abroad anyway and was in early 60's or maybe very late 50's coz my sisters remember it in paper and years later i seen it in paper again!
 
 
Never heard about the Heysham boat one though :(
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2009, 07:37:52 PM »
Hi Widz, the scandal you mentioned in the 60's was something I was going to post as an enquiry. It wasn't a sex scandal but something about a girl from Nazreth Lodge who became a member of his church..(the wee one down below My Ladies Road. It went to court at the time ...  thats all I can remember.

It was a girl from around Iris Drive.  I remember her name well but do not wish to print it here.  She joined the church willingly altho very young at the time.

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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2009, 07:51:40 PM »
Brain washed maybe? and why a young girl?
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2009, 07:55:18 PM »
Probably Brain washed like you say Widz, but I do not remember where or how she got involved.  I just remember my mum and my aunts all talking about it.  It was really a big scandal at the time.