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BLOOMFIELD

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2010, 08:38:40 PM »

All priests over 40 get rid of them because they know of or been complicit in secrecy over  abuse in the church

RIGHT ON.
When will the I.R.A. pay Compensation to their Innocent Victims or Relatives.

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2010, 08:46:48 PM »

BLOOMFIELD

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2010, 08:53:58 PM »
They think CANNON LAW is above the law  :angry2: . As ive said on the forum befor the people are the chuch the people should reclaim it back, take the churches back, and run them and just hire a preist .
All preists over 40 get rid of them because they know of or been complicit in secrecy over  abuse in the church

READ , especially the second paragraph :swoon: :angry2:

This is contrary to the Teachings of JESUS----

Render onto Caesar.

                                                 
Canon Law 

 Canon Law is the oldest continuous legal system in the western world.

It is an internal system of law within the Catholic Church which respects civil law, as long as civil law is not in conflict with what the Church sees as just and moral.

 The current Code of Canon Law was promulgated in 1983 by Pope John Paul II.  The 1983 Code is a revision of the previous 1917 Code.  The revision was a direct result of the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), and the goal of the revision process was to translate the Second Vatican Council’s teaching into the 1983 Code.
There are 1752 canons (laws) in the 1983 Code of Canon Law, and those canons cover much of the law of the Church, but there are other laws, norms, precepts, and rules listed in other places.  The second law or canon of the 1983 Code states that “for the most part” the code does not define liturgical rites or how they are to be celebrated.  Those norms are found in the beginning of official liturgical rite books.  There are also precepts issued within a diocese that are followed within that diocese, which may differ from precepts in another diocese nearby (e.g. age for Confirmation).  Religious orders/congregations each have a general rule, which encompasses many rules for the internal governing of the order and the protection of its members.  Those rules do not apply to members of a diocese, who are not members or seeking to be members of the religious order/congregation.
The first canon (law) in the 1983 Code can seem a bit confusing and affects fewer members of the Diocese of San Jose than the second canon (above), which affects us all.  Still the first canon is very important.  It ways, “The canons of this Code [1983] regard only the Latin Church.”  The Latin Church is the one the vast majority of U.S. Catholics might believe is synonymous with the Catholic Church, but the Universal Catholic Church is bigger than the Latin Church.  There are Eastern Rite expressions of the Universal Catholic Church that are loyal to papal authority but are considered churches themselves.  Within the geographical boundaries of the Diocese of San Jose, there are five Eastern Catholic Churches, who each have their own bishops outside the territory of the Diocese of San Jose, even though the Bishop of San Jose still has a supervisory authority over those Churches:  Byzantine (Ruthenian) Catholic Church, Melkite-Greek Catholic Church, Syro Malabar Catholic Church, Chaldean Catholic Church, and Ukrainian-Greek Catholic Church. There are others too, but not in our diocese.  In 1990 Pope John Paul II promulgated the Eastern Code of Canon Law, which has the canons for those Eastern Churches.  So there are two codes of Canon Law with many similarities, but the Eastern Code was needed to honor the distinct traditions of those Eastern Churches, which are Catholic but not “Latin”.  Hopefully, that explains the first canon (law) in the 1983 Code of Canon Law.
Both codes of canon law cover many areas of church ministry, and many of the laws are very pastoral.  There are sections on sacraments, parishes, dioceses, Catholic education, religious orders, ownership of goods, protection of rights, and ecclesiastical penalties—to mention a few.  Both codes of Canon Law are accessible on the internet.  To understand many of the canons a commentary is necessary (e.g. New Commentary on the Code of Canon Law, edited by Beal, Coriden, and Green, 2000).  Or, you can call the canonists working in the Tribunal of our diocese.
Finally, the last canon of the Code of 1983 is sometimes referred to as the Supreme Law of the Church.  The last part of that final canon says: “…the salvation of souls, which must always be the supreme law in the Church, is to be kept before one’s eyes.” 
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It has been stated by U.S.A. CLERGY, that  CANON law is above CIVIL

LAW,  therefor they do not have to report child molestation by Clergy,

 to Civil Authorities  ------- they will deal with it, in House--------we have

seen how that works. :D                       
When will the I.R.A. pay Compensation to their Innocent Victims or Relatives.

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2010, 09:10:51 PM »
Here's an interesting link to the United States.
 
Perhaps we should have something similar here.
 
 
 
http://bishop-accountability.org/member/index.jsp

This was sad to read but yes this might help point out that this is not a one off .

BLOOMFIELD

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2010, 10:10:18 PM »
http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/WorldNewsArticle.htm?src=w0315105A.xml

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Brady said he would resign as leader of Ireland's 4 million Catholics only if Pope Benedict XVI asked him to go.

I think BOTH of them should resign. :angry2:

I doubt that the Pope will ask for his resignation, that would be

tantamount to declaring Himself guilty also.
When will the I.R.A. pay Compensation to their Innocent Victims or Relatives.

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bobdenn

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2010, 12:43:30 PM »
 
The Labour Party in the Republic of Ireland have called for a Garda investigation.
 
"Under the Offences Against The State Act 1939, it's an offence to give an oath for the purposes of covering up a crime."
 
I can't see how Cardinal Brady will be able to talk himself out of that allegation.
 
Link:-
 
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0315/breaking65.html

Erincyprus

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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2010, 04:47:24 PM »
Cardinal Brady should resign and be done with it.  Then he should speak to the Police and give them as much information as possible on what he knows.  I am sure he does know a lot more than just these two little Childrens statements.
 
Any Priest, Bishop, Cardinal or other who has any information on these crimes against Children in any way should do the right thing and pass this information on to the Police at once.
 
Shame and more Shame for Holy Men.
 
Erin   
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bobdenn

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2010, 07:22:30 PM »
Cardinal Brady should resign and be done with it.  Then he should speak to the Police and give them as much information as possible on what he knows.  I am sure he does know a lot more than just these two little Childrens statements.
 
Any Priest, Bishop, Cardinal or other who has any information on these crimes against Children in any way should do the right thing and pass this information on to the Police at once.
 
Shame and more Shame for Holy Men.
 
Erin

Erin,
 
The Cardinal and the Bishops will state that Canon Law forbade (and still forbids) them passing on something which they had been told in confidence.
 
The victims don't come into it.
 
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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2010, 07:25:43 PM »
Don't think the law can even go into the convents monastries.....or can they.

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2010, 07:32:15 PM »
Well, they,re not in the habit of doing it, but I,m sure they could.
If you don't do it you won't get caught.

Erincyprus

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2010, 08:10:43 PM »

Erin,
 
The Cardinal and the Bishops will state that Canon Law forbade (and still forbids) them passing on something which they had been told in confidence.
 
The victims don't come into it.
 
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Since when BD have they done what they have been told or even asked?
 
 
Erin
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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2010, 08:27:56 PM »
Well, they,re not in the habit of doing it, but I,m sure they could.

Good pun. :smile:  But are you absolutely sure of that. I'm thinking if they believe Canon law is above the law of the land,then they could tell the authorities to clear off.
 
And too I heard the fella who is the corrospondent of a Catholic newspaper in the ROI,and he was saying that the usual thing was for the Garda to let the church deal with things.
 
I have never heard of the police going into any of these places.

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2010, 08:36:00 PM »
If that,s the case God only knows what these guys get up to. Dope? Gambling? Drink? Laundering money? Kneecapping? Peeing in the sink?
If you don't do it you won't get caught.

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2010, 08:38:10 PM »
Either the law has to change or the church most open it's doors and protect it's followers. .Now that people know that there's  a section of society that is above the law ,all sort of RIF RAF will be chapping on there doors . :scratch_ones_head:   

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Re: Cardinal Brady In Trouble
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2010, 08:39:38 PM »
 
When the [censored] hits the fan in the North, I would love to be a fly on the wall when the Bishops try to tell the PSNI that they can't come in?
 
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