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jemmifer

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weir street shankill road
« on: January 18, 2011, 01:53:36 PM »
any photos of weir street please

miyagi

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Re: weir street shankill road
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2011, 12:00:27 AM »
Alas I have no photos but my Mums sister lived here in the 60's,they were the Bells

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Re: weir street shankill road
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 07:06:26 PM »
my gran jane roper lived in 1 weir street

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Re: weir street shankill road
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2012, 03:30:33 PM »
My mum is a Bell from the shankill also my late dad,one from glenwood street and dad was a hammer man lived in loftus street he was Alfie gordon.

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Re: weir street shankill road
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2013, 12:20:07 PM »
Hi I think I went to school with Martha bell I lived in acton street my granny lived in carnen street.

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2013, 04:20:18 PM »
Hi I think I went to school with Martha bell I lived in acton street my granny lived in carnen street.
I have an old photo of Carnan St posted on the forum your Granny may well be in it if you go to the search box top right of this page and type Carnan street in box it will take you to it and others.

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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2013, 04:34:57 PM »
I have an old photo of Carnan St posted on the forum your Granny may well be in it if you go to the search box top right of this page and type Carnan street in box it will take you to it and others.

Harry, here is the photo of Carnan St that you posted.


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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2013, 08:39:27 PM »
thanks pentio the gable wall in this photo is on corner of Riga St, Weir St was two streets down from Riga St, same side on photo houses were very similar

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Re: weir street shankill road
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2020, 10:54:19 PM »
When I was born I lived on weir street with my Mum's Uncle Geordie Moore. Any know anything about him or what number tthat was?

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2020, 08:15:19 AM »

When I was born I lived on weir street with my Mum's Uncle Geordie Moore. Any know anything about him or what number tthat was?


According to the Lennon Wylie website, a George Moore occupied no. 49 Weir Street in the following directory years:

1918: 49. Moore, George, bobbin turner
1924: 49. Moore, George, bobbin turner
1932: 49. Moore, G., bobbin turner
1939: 49. Moore, G., bobbin turner
1943: 49. Moore, G., bobbin turner
1951: 49. Moore, G., bobbin turner
1960: 49. Moore, George

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/index.htm

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2020, 10:19:03 AM »

When I was born I lived on weir street with my Mum's Uncle Geordie Moore. Any know anything about him or what number tthat was?


As far as I can tell, it looks like his full name was George Ryan Moore and he was born in Belfast on 27 April 1876 to parents George Ryan Moore senior and Mary Elizabeth Johnston. George Ryan Moore senior and Mary Elizabeth Johnston were married in St Malachy's, Belfast, in 1873, their deceased fathers listed as Robert Moore, a bookkeeper, and John Johnston, a publican:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11283/8139564.pdf

By the time of the 1901 census, a widowed Mary Elizabeth Moore and 4 of the children (including George) can be seen at Fourth Street:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Woodvale_Ward/Fourth_Street/1006703/

And George in 1911 (his age is mistranscribed, the original says '34'):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Pernau_Street/152440/

Of George's siblings in the above 1901 census return...

- Mary Jane went on to marry Joseph Baird in 1906:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10123/5683029.pdf

- Elizabeth went on to marry John McClure in 1909:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10023/5645704.pdf

The address for the bride recorded in each of the above marriage records (15 Blenheim Street) is the same address at which Mary Elizabeth (Johnston) Moore died in 1907, the record confirms that she was the 'Widow of George Ryan Moore':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05516/4545923.pdf

Fast forward over 50 years to 1960, the following just might be a possible death for George Ryan Moore junior (because of the stated sister's name), his reported age at death was 84:



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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2020, 10:52:30 AM »

... Of George's siblings in the above 1901 census return...

- Mary Jane went on to marry Joseph Baird in 1906:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10123/5683029.pdf

- Elizabeth went on to marry John McClure in 1909:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10023/5645704.pdf


Presumably these are the above 2 families in the following 'in memoriam' notice from 1922:





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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2020, 11:09:29 AM »

As far as I can tell, it looks like his full name was George Ryan Moore and he was born in Belfast on 27 April 1876 to parents George Ryan Moore senior and Mary Elizabeth Johnston. George Ryan Moore senior and Mary Elizabeth Johnston were married in St Malachy's, Belfast, in 1873, their deceased fathers listed as Robert Moore, a bookkeeper, and John Johnston, a publican:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11283/8139564.pdf


Following on the heels of his parent's marriage above, George Ryan Moore junior was baptised in St. Malachy's, Belfast (link below - right page, 2nd entry down), although clearly he  and his siblings were practising Church of Ireland in the 1901 and 1911 censuses:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633202#page/116/mode/1up

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Re: weir street shankill road
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2020, 01:52:01 AM »
CMcG, thanks very much for all this info which enabled me to add a lot more info to my family tree in ANcestry.

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2020, 10:54:45 AM »

CMcG, thanks very much for all this info which enabled me to add a lot more info to my family tree in ANcestry.


You're welcome.  Just to take this line back another generation...

When George Ryan Moore senior married Mary Elizabeth Johnston in October 1873, he described himself as a 21 year old bookkeeper living at 59 Albert Crescent, the son of Robert Moore (dead), also a bookkeeper.  Note that address.  The stated age would place his birth c. 1852.

Just under a decade earlier on 18 October 1864 at that same address, an Ellen Moore was born, the parents recorded as Robert Moore (a clerk) and Ellen Ryan:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03598/2326983.pdf

This child was then baptised as Ellen Elizabeth Moore on 21 November 1864 in St. Patrick's Belfast, the record confirms that the father Robert Moore was protestant (left page, about 7 lines up from bottom):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633210#page/249/mode/1up

I can also see 2 earlier baptisms in St. Patrick's Belfast for parents Robert Moore and Ellen Ryan: (1) Henry Moore baptised on 18 January 1858; and (2) Charles James Moore baptised on 6 July 1860.

So given the match on that Albert Crescent address and Ellen's surname 'Ryan', it's not a great leap to surmise that George Ryan Moore senior born c. 1852 was an earlier child of this couple.

Then there is the following from March 1849, which slots nicely into the timeline (ie. before George Ryan Moore senior's c. 1852 birth):



What's interesting about this couple, as the notice indicates, is that they married twice (protestant and catholic churches), I've seen several transcripts for the marriages, they have minor variations, but the gist is that:

(1) they married in Dromore Unitarian / Non Subscribing Presbyterian Church on the 8th March 1849, the record states that Robert was a widower, his address was 'Ashfield', he was working for a thread manufacturer and his father was Archibald Moore, a farmer, spinster Ellen's address was given as Belfast, and her father was cited as George Ryan, a clerk of the peace;
 
(2) they married in St. Patrick's Belfast the day before (7th March).

Then there is this from 16 March 1872, which is consistent with George Ryan Moore senior describing his father as dead in the 1873 record of marriage to Mary Elizabeth Johnston (and there's that Albert Crescent address again):



That reported age of 74 (born c. 1798) means that Robert Moore was a good bit older than Ellen Ryan (given that Ellen was still having children in 1864), but again is consistent with Robert describing himself as a widower at the time of his 1849 marriage to  Ellen.

So to recap, yes, a very high degree of confidence that George Ryan Moore senior born c. 1852 was the son of Robert Moore (father Archibald Moore a farmer) and Ellen Ryan (father George Ryan a clerk of the peace).

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