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BigAgiesMan

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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2011, 08:54:47 PM »
Then start another thread on that issue. solve one problem at a time
The protestant boys are at risk what can be done about that issue.
Your not going to find the solution for protestant boys by adding in
Catholic boys.  :scratch_ones_head:

Do you not think that there might be a common reason why both are doing badly? They are both doing almost equally badly. If we did find an answer to the 'protestant boys problem' should catholic boys not be allowed to benefit from the answer?
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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2011, 09:01:18 PM »
This sounds to me like another pointless survey that some pen pusher has carried out to justify their own job position.
What does it matter what religion they are?
Even if the imbalance was the other way around,it still wouldn't matter.
What would happen if everyone achieved high grades all the time? .the whole exam grading system would loose what little credibility it has left.
We already have massive numbers of graduates all fighting for the same jobs,which are far and few between.
It's this simple,some are born to lead...others born to follow.
If you have the desire to succeed you will,regardless of exam results.
When I went to school GCSE's were a new thing.....I left with less than five,it didn't do me a button of harm.It didn't blame it on my social status,religion or anything else.Just my own laziness.

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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2011, 09:03:38 PM »
This sounds to me like another pointless survey that some pen pusher has carried out to justify their own job position.
What does it matter what religion they are?
Even if the imbalance was the other way around,it still wouldn't matter.
What would happen if everyone achieved high grades all the time? .the whole exam grading system would loose what little credibility it has left.
We already have massive numbers of graduates all fighting for the same jobs,which are far and few between.
It's this simple,some are born to lead...others born to follow.
If you have the desire to succeed you will,regardless of exam results.
When I went to school GCSE's were a new thing.....I left with less than five,it didn't do me a button of harm.It didn't blame it on my social status,religion or anything else.Just my own laziness.

 
....so nothings changed then?
 
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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2011, 09:04:47 PM »

 
....so nothings changed then?
 
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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2011, 09:05:58 PM »
 
But look at it this way.
 
You are now the leader of the Pack?
 
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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2011, 09:06:35 PM »
carbolic, i left school with no exams. i couldn't wait to get away from it. it really wasn't for me.
i took exams when i was in my 30's did o/k as well.
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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2011, 09:09:18 PM »
If they go to different schools I would look at each set of schools
Find out why the protestant boys are not succeeding,what is the
reason. Find out why the Catholic boys are not succeeding, what
is the reason.  Then you can compare notes for similarities :blind:
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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2011, 09:10:27 PM »
That's a different debate carbolic. Seems that there are those who want to bring the achievers down to the level of the non achievers, rather than trying to bring the non achievers up to the level of the achievers. There will always however be a differential. People tend to forget that when the 11+ was set up it was to provide scholarships for the bright 'poorer' kids to go to grammar schools which up until then had been the domain only of the financially advantaged.

Look at the mistakes that have been made in greatly increasing the number of places at universities, which has greatly resulted in the devaluation of degrees. When I went to university only 2% of the population were admitted, and you had to fight hard to get there, and it was a challenge to be awarded a degree
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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2011, 09:10:59 PM »
chi, i think thats what bigman is saying.  :scratch_ones_head:
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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2011, 09:12:13 PM »
Do you not think that there might be a common reason why both are doing badly? They are both doing almost equally badly. If we did find an answer to the 'protestant boys problem' should catholic boys not be allowed to benefit from the answer?

                        If they go to different schools I would look at each set of schools
Find out why the protestant boys are not succeeding,what is the
reason. Find out why the Catholic boys are not succeeding, what
is the reason.  Then you can compare notes for similarities :blind:                                                                                                                                                                      
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Don't mistake my silence for ignorance, my calmness for acceptance, or my kindness  for weakness.

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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2011, 09:12:39 PM »

But look at it this way.
 
You are now the leader of the Pack?
 
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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2011, 09:15:32 PM »
                        If they go to different schools I would look at each set of schools
Find out why the protestant boys are not succeeding,what is the
reason. Find out why the Catholic boys are not succeeding, what
is the reason.  Then you can compare notes for similarities :blind:

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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2011, 09:19:30 PM »
He is nearly 5 and until he is 16 and if it's for his own good, I'll be making all of the decisions on his behalf . No child 7 or older is capable of understanding what it is they are undergoing when they join a religion.The more I think about it the more I'm put off by the thought of having to find a priest who will do it .

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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2011, 09:26:49 PM »
If they go to different schools I would look at each set of schools
Find out why the protestant boys are not succeeding,what is the
reason. Find out why the Catholic boys are not succeeding, what
is the reason.  Then you can compare notes for similarities :blind:

Chi, why didn't some one else think of this?  ;)
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Re: Protestants under achieve
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2011, 09:33:12 PM »
It's pathetic that the education authorities are segregating and means testing children by their religion.

It does nothing but increase the divide from an early age.

Why don't they mix up the schools and see if things improve.