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Re: Anyone from the shore road area of Belfast?.
« Reply #13170 on: February 12, 2020, 09:54:19 PM »
if any one still comes on here just to let you know my good friend Willie Mclaughlin sadly passed away today me and willie were two people BORN on mount Vernon estate a couple of months apart im so sad to of lost a life long friend RIP my old mate  still got my nick name you gave me tommy twotoes
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Re: Anyone from the shore road area of Belfast?.
« Reply #13171 on: February 12, 2020, 11:22:56 PM »
if any one still comes on here just to let you know my good friend Willie Mclaughlin sadly passed away today me and willie were two people BORN on mount Vernon estate a couple of months apart im so sad to of lost a life long friend RIP my old mate  still got my nick name you gave me tommy twotoes

Tommy Im so glad to see you posting you are missed on here mate , and Im genuinely sorry that you have lost a life long chum , may you cherish the memories and forever hold them dear.
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« Reply #13172 on: February 13, 2020, 06:19:31 AM »
if any one still comes on here just to let you know my good friend Willie Mclaughlin sadly passed away today me and willie were two people BORN on mount Vernon estate a couple of months apart im so sad to of lost a life long friend RIP my old mate  still got my nick name you gave me tommy twotoes
     did'nt know either of you but i do know what it is to lose life long mates,   there are no easy words of comfort i can only say....   i feel for you,     roy  c.

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Re: Anyone from the shore road area of Belfast?.
« Reply #13173 on: February 14, 2020, 07:13:33 AM »
RIP  :( 

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« Reply #13174 on: February 14, 2020, 06:50:28 PM »
if any one still comes on here just to let you know my good friend Willie Mclaughlin sadly passed away today me and willie were two people BORN on mount Vernon estate a couple of months apart im so sad to of lost a life long friend RIP my old mate  still got my nick name you gave me tommy twotoes

I know exactly how you feel Tommy, I lost my bestest mate in the whole world last July, we were mates from infancy, I walked past his old house last night and I swear he was standing at the door smiling.
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Re: Anyone from the shore road area of Belfast?.
« Reply #13175 on: February 14, 2020, 08:54:41 PM »
So sorry to hear that news we are all getting that way,
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Re: Anyone from the shore road area of Belfast?.
« Reply #13176 on: February 15, 2020, 07:24:39 PM »
All the best to Willie for what's beyond. I think the best tribute is a Dave Bartram special as he was the image of the man in his youth. Thanks for letting us know, Tommy. Another familiar face gone.

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« Reply #13177 on: February 22, 2020, 09:49:28 PM »
Party night on the Shore Road again, and what a better anthem for our own Tip Head? Where, these days, would you get anything comparable to this? Granny playing the piano dressed like a witch, original lyrics and a better tune than any kick the you-know-what bands could muster. Salutations from the North of England on this wild, windy night. Great memories of the Shore Road back when things seemed a lot more sensible and palatable then they are today in this world of mobile phones, computers turning on your yard lights, rampant viruses and a whole lot of soulless music.  :hi:

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« Reply #13178 on: February 23, 2020, 07:50:41 AM »
Party night on the Shore Road again, and what a better anthem for our own Tip Head? Where, these days, would you get anything comparable to this? Granny playing the piano dressed like a witch, original lyrics and a better tune than any kick the you-know-what bands could muster. Salutations from the North of England on this wild, windy night. Great memories of the Shore Road back when things seemed a lot more sensible and palatable then they are today in this world of mobile phones, computers turning on your yard lights, rampant viruses and a whole lot of soulless music.  :hi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO5GWJJP3FM
hey dargan,  you said it all....  from an old shoreroadite a long time ago...  cheers  roy  c.

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« Reply #13179 on: February 29, 2020, 11:22:06 PM »
Well, Saturday night party-time on the Shore Road thread is back. Soon comes round again, doesn't it? Tonight we have a seventies' number for all you Loyalists out there -Part of the Union. Look how the German crowd clap like automatums and one girl is such an unimaginative dancer that she has to display it to all and sundry.

 I wonder how many strikes there were in factories and workshops round the Shore Road? Strikes me that the only strikes will have been books of matches fired at a pile of tyres on the Head.

This singer is a bit of all right. I like the way he sings, " and I always get my way," and looks up at someone on the balcony, the saucy bleeter (with a "d").

Party on, people of the Shore Road!

 :hi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOCWUgwiWs

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Re: Anyone from the shore road area of Belfast?.
« Reply #13180 on: March 01, 2020, 08:04:33 AM »
Well, Saturday night party-time on the Shore Road thread is back. Soon comes round again, doesn't it? Tonight we have a seventies' number for all you Loyalists out there -Part of the Union. Look how the German crowd clap like automatums and one girl is such an unimaginative dancer that she has to display it to all and sundry.

 I wonder how many strikes there were in factories and workshops round the Shore Road? Strikes me that the only strikes will have been books of matches fired at a pile of tyres on the Head.

This singer is a bit of all right. I like the way he sings, " and I always get my way," and looks up at someone on the balcony, the saucy bleeter (with a "d").

Party on, people of the Shore Road!

 :hi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOCWUgwiWs

Arthur Scargills theme song  :)
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Re: Anyone from the shore road area of Belfast?.
« Reply #13181 on: March 05, 2020, 09:19:18 PM »
Bit of mid-week cheer, folks, take it away our fellow Celts and Caledonians (the singer must have been to Paddy Diamond's):

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riUBwiaL7rs
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« Reply #13182 on: March 14, 2020, 10:09:09 AM »
Party-time again on the Shore Road thread. We will thwart these parlous times of the c.v. with cheer and fun!  I hope no-one has to take the cue from this song. But speaking of going to the Doc's, fond memories of Doctor Bernard Goldfoot, a truly gentile man for discerning patients keen to see their medick in plus fours. He administered with genuine caring. And also his up-and-coming successor Doctor Goodwin for whom I have a deep, deep respect. He even  stuck up for me against an irate family member when I arrived back from a Jewish children's home in London complete with orange hair (when before it had been mousy-brown). What was I doing there? Mainly climbing out windows at the dead of night in the very same place where Mr. Neilson was cutting people up - young men - and putting them down the drains to secure an ignominious future. That's another tale form my hell-raising life. But not to drift off the point, Doctor Gooodie said, "You're only young once and I like it." If he was a good liar, so what? His heart was in the right place.

To all the good Doctors of the world right now. To all the Shore Road and its inhabitants past and present.

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« Reply #13183 on: March 20, 2020, 02:04:42 PM »
  I want to thank Margaret for providing me with an image of the cottage to the side of Belleview Terrace (Lowwood side) bottom of Fortwilliam Park which I have been searching for, for more than 30 years. The directories, and only limited knowledge of that corner of the road (due to my age) led me wrong. For many years I believed it to be "Belleview Cottage" which photographs submitted to this thread by diligent researchers proved to be more of a "gingerbread" cottage in style. Meanwhile, the plain little homestead with the windowless gable still haunted me. I could see that it once had been behind Belleview Cottage as the latter sat flush with the road. Research with Jim a few years back led to the conclusion that the one I, and others such as Tommy, Walter, Agnes and Hughie, Roy (Seaviewite) and last but not least Margaret herself remembered, was the remaining one of the three "Mount Vernon" cottages. "Lewis' and "Creighton's" being the other two which had gone by the early 70s. They were never visible from the road according to my 90 year-old Mother who remembered Billy Creighton gathering vegetable peelings from people round the road for his pigs. These two houses were high on Ringan Point and obviously concealed by a shelter belt of trees or the coverage given by the trees of Lower Fortwilliam. What a pity no-one seems around from those times who could describe those cottages and life in and around them.
 
Images without people can't authenticate as well as those with people, and so I struggled with the images submitted kindly and generously to the thread, of trams going by, aerial reconnaissance and even newspaper clippings. But I will say this: some of the images which showed the frontages of Belleview Terrace didn't seem to me to look right, and I know Tommy agreed at the time. One even presented with a window in the gable where the chimney tracked its way up (at the Fortwilliam end of Belleview Terrace). I don't know how that can be unless it was a smoke room, and it doesn't seem likely to me that such a thing would have been present in a large but basically run-of-the-mill terraced house. So it seems to me that we have to conclude that some of these images were doctored, unless someone can come up with why/how an external chimney can have a window in it. I'd be all ears, for knowledge is always welcome.
 
As to the rest of the inconsistencies I, and others, noticed: maybe by the time we were around the row had become soot-tarnished and somehow robbed of the architectural features which had become concealed by dirt, for look at what happened at Fortwilliam Arches themselves? The salt winds eroded the faces of the sentinels and smoothed the angles of the stone. Doesn't it give you a shiver of strange delight as you think of that? What a place!
 
Belleview Terrace itself was quite a forlorn row by the early 70s and it didn't last too long after that. I seem to remember too that it was as if the Shore Road itself entered their halls, such was the very close proximity to the pavement (that was no bad things as far as I'm concerned   truly "sacred" ground).
 
However, Margaret provided me lately with an image I could gaze at forevermore as it shows a girl standing at a higher level on Fortwilliam Park somewhere. The view is down onto the back of Bellevue Terrace, and there, nestling on the landscape is the third of the Mount Vernon Cottages! It looks every bit as mysterious as I remember.  Everything about the image is right, and the reasons became available as to why, from the perspective of the Shore Road, only the gable wall of the cottage could be seen on the Lowwood side of Belleview Terrace. I walked by nearly every Saturday and always as a kid wanted to see more, but it was hard to fathom why the view was limited. It seemed to me at the time that the short lane took an odd twist, and the spread of vegetation loaned it more privacy.
 
Zooming in on things to take a closer look I saw again the high hedge of my memory which ran parallel with the road, plus a tree to one side of Belleview Terrace, and curiously a sight on the other side of the road which really blew me away as it was something I had not thought of since childhood:
 
There was a house on Fortwilliam Place on the opposite side of the road with slightly "dowdy" curtains and it emanated an earlier feel. There were no jazzy, 70s floral curtains like a drug-infested dream there, but that heavier, slightly "bedspread" material showing a pattern that revealed the hope of the 1950s post WW2. The colours were faded by the countless sunsets at Ringan Point's extremity at this lower level by our day, the hope of the 1950s obsolete. Well there it was in the picture. The house with the curtains I had entirely forgotten about! When I saw this it all came flooding back like a hammer blow. Photo's like this which restore the mind to an earlier time by small details long since lodged in its recesses are truly amazing. I expect now to have other memories return in small detail which are meaningless in one regard but strangely uplifting and encouraging on the flip side of that coin.
 
If all of this we are going through now in the world is the end of life as we know it, then I'll be heading off to hell with a pleasant feeling inside: that finally I got to see that old place again which captured my imagination way back when life was new to me, yet simultaneously older times and ways of life seemed to matter. Maybe they now have to return.
 
A big thank-you to Margaret M. whose own researches have been thorough, diligent and full of genuine sentiment. She's a stalwart. Here's one I know you'll like, Margaret (don't like the one you're getting, lol).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptFegqTOYYc

 
Good luck to all. Long live the Shore Road.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Anyone from the shore road area of Belfast?.
« Reply #13184 on: March 21, 2020, 05:53:19 AM »
  I want to thank Margaret for providing me with an image of the cottage to the side of Belleview Terrace (Lowwood side) bottom of Fortwilliam Park which I have been searching for, for more than 30 years. The directories, and only limited knowledge of that corner of the road (due to my age) led me wrong. For many years I believed it to be "Belleview Cottage" which photographs submitted to this thread by diligent researchers proved to be more of a "gingerbread" cottage in style. Meanwhile, the plain little homestead with the windowless gable still haunted me. I could see that it once had been behind Belleview Cottage as the latter sat flush with the road. Research with Jim a few years back led to the conclusion that the one I, and others such as Tommy, Walter, Agnes and Hughie, Roy (Seaviewite) and last but not least Margaret herself remembered, was the remaining one of the three "Mount Vernon" cottages. "Lewis' and "Creighton's" being the other two which had gone by the early 70s. They were never visible from the road according to my 90 year-old Mother who remembered Billy Creighton gathering vegetable peelings from people round the road for his pigs. These two houses were high on Ringan Point and obviously concealed by a shelter belt of trees or the coverage given by the trees of Lower Fortwilliam. What a pity no-one seems around from those times who could describe those cottages and life in and around them.
 
Images without people can't authenticate as well as those with people, and so I struggled with the images submitted kindly and generously to the thread, of trams going by, aerial reconnaissance and even newspaper clippings. But I will say this: some of the images which showed the frontages of Belleview Terrace didn't seem to me to look right, and I know Tommy agreed at the time. One even presented with a window in the gable where the chimney tracked its way up (at the Fortwilliam end of Belleview Terrace). I don't know how that can be unless it was a smoke room, and it doesn't seem likely to me that such a thing would have been present in a large but basically run-of-the-mill terraced house. So it seems to me that we have to conclude that some of these images were doctored, unless someone can come up with why/how an external chimney can have a window in it. I'd be all ears, for knowledge is always welcome.
 
As to the rest of the inconsistencies I, and others, noticed: maybe by the time we were around the row had become soot-tarnished and somehow robbed of the architectural features which had become concealed by dirt, for look at what happened at Fortwilliam Arches themselves? The salt winds eroded the faces of the sentinels and smoothed the angles of the stone. Doesn't it give you a shiver of strange delight as you think of that? What a place!
 
Belleview Terrace itself was quite a forlorn row by the early 70s and it didn't last too long after that. I seem to remember too that it was as if the Shore Road itself entered their halls, such was the very close proximity to the pavement (that was no bad things as far as I'm concerned   truly "sacred" ground).
 
However, Margaret provided me lately with an image I could gaze at forevermore as it shows a girl standing at a higher level on Fortwilliam Park somewhere. The view is down onto the back of Bellevue Terrace, and there, nestling on the landscape is the third of the Mount Vernon Cottages! It looks every bit as mysterious as I remember.  Everything about the image is right, and the reasons became available as to why, from the perspective of the Shore Road, only the gable wall of the cottage could be seen on the Lowwood side of Belleview Terrace. I walked by nearly every Saturday and always as a kid wanted to see more, but it was hard to fathom why the view was limited. It seemed to me at the time that the short lane took an odd twist, and the spread of vegetation loaned it more privacy.
 
Zooming in on things to take a closer look I saw again the high hedge of my memory which ran parallel with the road, plus a tree to one side of Belleview Terrace, and curiously a sight on the other side of the road which really blew me away as it was something I had not thought of since childhood:
 
There was a house on Fortwilliam Place on the opposite side of the road with slightly "dowdy" curtains and it emanated an earlier feel. There were no jazzy, 70s floral curtains like a drug-infested dream there, but that heavier, slightly "bedspread" material showing a pattern that revealed the hope of the 1950s post WW2. The colours were faded by the countless sunsets at Ringan Point's extremity at this lower level by our day, the hope of the 1950s obsolete. Well there it was in the picture. The house with the curtains I had entirely forgotten about! When I saw this it all came flooding back like a hammer blow. Photo's like this which restore the mind to an earlier time by small details long since lodged in its recesses are truly amazing. I expect now to have other memories return in small detail which are meaningless in one regard but strangely uplifting and encouraging on the flip side of that coin.
 
If all of this we are going through now in the world is the end of life as we know it, then I'll be heading off to hell with a pleasant feeling inside: that finally I got to see that old place again which captured my imagination way back when life was new to me, yet simultaneously older times and ways of life seemed to matter. Maybe they now have to return.
 
A big thank-you to Margaret M. whose own researches have been thorough, diligent and full of genuine sentiment. She's a stalwart. Here's one I know you'll like, Margaret (don't like the one you're getting, lol).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptFegqTOYYc

 
Good luck to all. Long live the Shore Road.
   dear dargan,   looks like you are the only one keeping this thread alive,   are we all dying off?  we were always a hardy lot but then again can you live forever?       cheers   roy  c.