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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2020, 11:08:25 PM »

... Mary McMaster (McLean) Robinson died of TB at 40 Collyer Street on 21 June 1917:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05216/4443096.pdf


Mary McMaster (McLean) Robinson was buried in grave 591 of 'E5' section in Dundonald Cemetery, there are several other grave occupants:

https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=E5&GraveNumber=591&CemeteryName=Dundonald%20Cemetery



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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2020, 11:16:59 PM »

Births registered for parents Charles Robinson and Mary McLean include:

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- Christina in 1914 @ 52 Collyer Street:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01414/1581115.pdf

- Daniel in 1916 @ 40 Collyer Street:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01314/1543236.pdf


Christina and Daniel died young, they are buried in grave 414 of section E4 in Dundonald Cemetery, again there are other grave occupants:

https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=E4&GraveNumber=414&CemeteryName=Dundonald%20Cemetery

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2020, 11:35:48 PM »

It was Collyer Street.      My grandmothers (Minnie) birth certificate, born 17 07 07, shows that my great grandparents, Charles and Mary Robinson lived at Number 46.  I  believe that they also had 2 sons called John and Charles.    I would be grateful for any supporting information


Given the address, I imagine the following might be relevant:

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1947:


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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2020, 12:40:17 AM »

...  My mother, Christina, (Chrissie) mentioned to me that Charles the son worked as a butcher Inthe cregagh area.  She thinks that John died in a motorcycle accident ...


19 November 1945:





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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2020, 01:30:14 AM »

Births registered for parents Charles Robinson and Mary McLean include:

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- Robert in 1911 @ 8 Clanmorris Street:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01532/1620953.pdf


Robert McLean Robinson b. 1911 went on to marry an Agnes Harvey in 1932, the couple had children Wilbert and Lila, Robert died in 1939:



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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2020, 02:27:23 AM »

...  Minnie, Charles daughter was my grandmother.  She had 3 daughters, Jean (who died of meningitis aged 14), Christina (my mother) and Maureen.  The family lived in laganview street at bridge end ...


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1974:


Sarah McKeown's grave (Thomas' grandmother):

https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=F3&GraveNumber=259&CemeteryName=Dundonald%20Cemetery

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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2020, 03:02:47 AM »

It was Collyer Street.      My grandmothers (Minnie) birth certificate, born 17 07 07, shows that my great grandparents, Charles and Mary Robinson lived at Number 46.  I  believe that they also had 2 sons called John and Charles.    I would be grateful for any supporting information


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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2020, 03:31:50 AM »
Following on from the mention of 'Son, Daughter-in-law, Grandchildren, John and Elizabeth Robinson, 27 Fife Street' in the above (reply #21) 1948 death notices for Charles Robinson, this from January 1951:



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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2020, 10:39:51 AM »
Regarding Charles Robinson the son...

From the PRONI Will Calendars index:
Robinson Charles of 137 Knockbreda Road Belfast butcher died 17 November 1945 at the Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast Administration Belfast 4 July to Elizabeth Robinson the widow. Effects 2794 3s. 3d.

December 1945:


It looks like the butcher's shop was at 89 Cregagh Road (on the corner with Reid St.), this is what google streetview shows for it:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Graham+Ferguson+Butchers/@54.5836465,-5.8986749,3a,75y,281.95h,86.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfQuq2hK62azCvIqoKJOIIw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xd06591a097122fa7!8m2!3d54.5836717!4d-5.898855

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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2020, 01:17:59 PM »
Hi John   I have been reading all the clippings that you have.  Some do not make sense on the date.  I remember visiting my grandfather in hospital before he died.  My grandfather died Nov 25, 1948, so where did the butcher shop date come in. I guess in those days women did not own anything as it was my grandmother that ran the shop, my grandad worked else where and I always thought it was Harland and Wolf.   My grandmother was Elizabeth May (same as me), I am Maybury's daughter.  The clipping regarding the fire was my Uncle John and family.  All of these things I remember.  What is you full name?   On FB I am Elizabeth Charpentier, Canada.

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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2020, 01:22:57 PM »
Also Charlie and Bobbie died I believe before I was born (1943) and it was in accidents.  Bobbie's wife was Agnes.  Do not know Charlie's wife's name.  I suppose it could have been Elizabeth?  My mother used to say they never wanted to see November, as that seemed to be the month everyone died. 

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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2020, 01:26:47 PM »
Trying to make sense of the dates.  I think Charles Robinson the son (butcher) his name was on the shop not my grandmother's.  If he died in 1945 that is why I did not know him.  However, Elizabeth Robinson was my grandmother (his mother).  I am amazed that you have all this information.  I will have to pass this on to my sister, she is the one in the family that likes to do the ancestry.  I think I am probably the only one left on our side that knows some items regarding our past.

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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2020, 02:55:26 PM »
Elizabeth.  I think I can see you on Facebook, but your settings are such the I cannot send you a friend request.   Can u send me s friend request.  My name is John Cordner ( photo on FB shows a pic of me and the wife, grinning broadly). 

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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2020, 04:19:48 PM »
I'm not related, but just to clarify, Charles Robinson the butcher who died in a motorcycle accident in 1945 was Charles Robinson junior, the son born in 1909 to Charles Robinson senior and his first wife Mary McMaster McLean (ie. before Charles senior married Elizabeth May Hamilton). 

Charles Robinson junior - the butcher - (b. 1909) married Elizabeth Cowan in Sinclair Seaman's Church Belfast in 1937.

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« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2020, 05:07:30 PM »
Many thanks for this additional info and clarity - more pieces of the jigsaw