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Birth look-up please - Francis McGuigan Born 1865 approx
« on: March 15, 2012, 12:16:14 AM »
Hi all,
Can anyone locate a birth record for Francis McGuigan, born in 1865 approximately? His father was called Joseph McGuigan and his mother was called Elizabeth ?  It is his mother's maiden name I am interested in.
The 1901 census says he was born in Co Antrim and I am fairly sure he was born in Belfast.
The family name was mis-spelt on the 1901 census as McGugian but I am hoping the name will be spelt correctly on the birth record.
Thanks.


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Re: Birth look-up please - Francis McGuigan Born 1865 approx
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2012, 02:36:15 AM »
Parish/ District     ST PATRICK'SDate Of Birth    12/03/1865Date of Baptism / Registration   12/03/1865First name       FRANCISSurname       MCGUIGANSex          MaleDenomination       Roman CatholicFathers Firstname    JOSEPHFathers Surname    MCGUIGANFathers Occupation    Mother Firstname    ELIZABETHMother Surname    TULLYWitness1 Firstname    ROSEWitness1 Surname    MAGUIGGANWitness2 Firstname    Witness2 Surname    Address1       Address2       BelfastAddress3           BelfastAddress4      AntrimComment1          Comment2          REV G CONWAY œ0 2 6.

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Re: Birth look-up please - Francis McGuigan Born 1865 approx
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2012, 02:51:55 PM »
Children of Elizabeth Tully & Joseph McGuigan
 
John McGuigan 1859
Roseanne McGuighan 1861
Alice McGuigan 1863
Francis McGuigan 1865
John McGuigan 1868
James Patrick McGuigan 1870
Alice McGuigan 1872
Michael McGuiggan 1874
William Hery McGuigan 1876
Mary Jane McGuigan 1878

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Re: Birth look-up please - Francis McGuigan Born 1865 approx
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 02:53:37 PM »
Hi Chris, thanks for the reply. I hope this is the Elizabeth I have been looking for.
 It certainly appears to be the correct family.
 Thanks again.

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Re: Birth look-up please - Francis McGuigan Born 1865 approx
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2012, 02:56:53 PM »
There's a marriage for a Joseph McQuiggan to a Elizabeth Tully 20th December 1858 Belfast Registry office, both couples father's are a John

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Re: Birth look-up please - Francis McGuigan Born 1865 approx
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2012, 04:20:52 PM »
Hi Maura, thanks for all your help (again).
 I am now confident that Elizabeth Tully is the correct name of one of my great,great grandmothers.
Thanks also for the other information on Eliz's children and her father and father-in-law's names.

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Re: Birth look-up please - Francis McGuigan Born 1865 approx
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2019, 03:16:19 AM »
Civil Records (ROOTSIRELAND.ie) and GRONI have a slightly different date and also goes by name of either Tilly or Tillie or Tully.    Francis was my great grandfather.   His daughter Mary was my grandmother.

Name:Francis McguigganDate of Birth:30-Apr-1865
Registration Date:16-May-1865Address:29 Steam Mill LaneParish/District:URBAN 1, BELFASTGender: MaleCountyCo. AntrimDenomination:Civil Parish / DistrictFather:Joseph McguigganMother:Eliza TillyOccupation:Quay Porter Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Eliza Mcguiggan
29 Steam Mill LaneSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:
Notes:DEPUTY REGISTRAR JOHN CAMPBELL.[/color][/font]

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Re: Birth look-up please - Francis McGuigan Born 1865 approx
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2019, 08:50:17 AM »
My guess on this (for it is not an uncommon phenomenon for this era) is that Francis was most likely born on or in the few days running up to Sunday 12 March 1865, for that is when he was baptised in St. Patrick's, as can be seen in the original baptismal entry (left page, about 8 entries up from the bottom):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633210#page/256/mode/1up

His mother Eliza didn't attend the Registrar's office until just over 9 weeks later on Tuesday 16 May, as can be seen in the original birth registration:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03576/2317944.pdf

I would speculate that just before or when she attended on the day, she was made aware of the legal requirement to 'give notice' of birth to the Registrar within 21 days (before providing full information within 3 months) and that she hadn't done this.

She therefore gave a later date of birth (Sunday 30 April 1865) to be compliant with that requirement, in order to avoid a penalty fee and incur the wrath of the Registrar. In the event, there was no financial penalty applicable in this instance, fees to the Registrar and Superintendent Registrar only kicked in after three months, but Eliza would not necessarily have known this and may well have believed to the contrary.  Amendments to the registration legislation in the 1870s updated the time requirement.

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Re: Birth look-up please - Francis McGuigan Born 1865 approx
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2019, 03:35:28 PM »
Thanks CmcG !