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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2012, 10:53:02 AM »
Just another crankpot attention seeker.

I thought it was someone who was on the sauce.
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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2012, 12:00:54 PM »
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NO THE CRANKPOTS ARE ALL IN STORMONT.THE ONES WHO ABUSED ME WHERE CRANKPOTS AND WORSE,JAMES
James - here and in other posts you mix some no doubt very traumatic personal experiences with more general points about politics, economics, celebrities who hail from Belfast. We all are complex mixtures of experience, environment, heredity etc and these colour our world view. There are, however, some objective facts that operate out there whether we will them or not. 
The people of Northern Ireland elected their politicians and I don't think any person is gifted or all-seeing enough to override the collective viewpoint of the people - it smacks of arrogance. You may, of course, seek to persuade them that their view is mistaken but to label their representatives in the manner you do is insulting to representatives and people alike.  In respect of criticism of celebrities etc you are entirely free to make the points you do and this applies also to your embarrassment about coming from Belfast - there are many who would agree with you and many more who would not. My worry is that you are letting your tragic and traumatic experiences colour your views too much and I am even more concerned that the forum may not be the best place for recounting or reflecting on abuse - for your own protection and that of others. The world is not entirely composed of abusers, villains, exploiters, gangsters, crackpots etc. It is also more than arrogant to label as 'brainwashed' anyone who supports a political party, admires a person, is proud of their city / country etc. The only balance exhibited so far in the content of most [not all] of your comments results from the chip you clearly carry on each shoulder!!!!

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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2012, 04:06:45 PM »
James - here and in other posts you mix some no doubt very traumatic personal experiences with more general points about politics, economics, celebrities who hail from Belfast. We all are complex mixtures of experience, environment, heredity etc and these colour our world view. There are, however, some objective facts that operate out there whether we will them or not. 
The people of Northern Ireland elected their politicians and I don't think any person is gifted or all-seeing enough to override the collective viewpoint of the people - it smacks of arrogance. You may, of course, seek to persuade them that their view is mistaken but to label their representatives in the manner you do is insulting to representatives and people alike.  In respect of criticism of celebrities etc you are entirely free to make the points you do and this applies also to your embarrassment about coming from Belfast - there are many who would agree with you and many more who would not. My worry is that you are letting your tragic and traumatic experiences colour your views too much and I am even more concerned that the forum may not be the best place for recounting or reflecting on abuse - for your own protection and that of others. The world is not entirely composed of abusers, villains, exploiters, gangsters, crackpots etc. It is also more than arrogant to label as 'brainwashed' anyone who supports a political party, admires a person, is proud of their city / country etc. The only balance exhibited so far in the content of most [not all] of your comments results from the chip you clearly carry on each shoulder!!!!
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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2012, 10:29:15 AM »
James - here and in other posts you mix some no doubt very traumatic personal experiences with more general points about politics, economics, celebrities who hail from Belfast. We all are complex mixtures of experience, environment, heredity etc and these colour our world view. There are, however, some objective facts that operate out there whether we will them or not. 
The people of Northern Ireland elected their politicians and I don't think any person is gifted or all-seeing enough to override the collective viewpoint of the people - it smacks of arrogance. You may, of course, seek to persuade them that their view is mistaken but to label their representatives in the manner you do is insulting to representatives and people alike.  In respect of criticism of celebrities etc you are entirely free to make the points you do and this applies also to your embarrassment about coming from Belfast - there are many who would agree with you and many more who would not. My worry is that you are letting your tragic and traumatic experiences colour your views too much and I am even more concerned that the forum may not be the best place for recounting or reflecting on abuse - for your own protection and that of others. The world is not entirely composed of abusers, villains, exploiters, gangsters, crackpots etc. It is also more than arrogant to label as 'brainwashed' anyone who supports a political party, admires a person, is proud of their city / country etc. The only balance exhibited so far in the content of most [not all] of your comments results from the chip you clearly carry on each shoulder!!!!
GANT T TAHNKYOU FOR YOUR REPLY.
 
The people i call murderers and thugs ,are murderers and thugs,thats a documented fact by the prison terms they have had, and convictions in many cases.,Of course there are also fine people in this world like doctors ,nurses and charity workers ,dont wo0rry im totally in touch with reality, I THINK THIS BEING A BELFAST SITE ,INEVITABLY WE ARE GOING TO GET ROBUST OPINIONS AS WE HAVE LIVED THROUGH HELL.IF I HAD BEEN BORN IN THE CARIBEAN I WOULDNT  BE EVEN GIVEN N.IRELAND A SECOND THOUGHT.I RESPECT YOUR OPINIONS AND I HOPE YOU RESPECT MY RIGHT TO AN OPINION ,JAMES

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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2012, 12:45:04 PM »
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The people i call murderers and thugs ,are murderers and thugs,thats a documented fact
Hi James. Of course I respect your opinion and would be sympathetic towards some of what you say on several topics. However, you speak of 'a documented fact'. A fact documented by whom and decided by whose law? We could enter [and I am NOT of myself arguing this] the whole area of biased law, rigged courts, non-jury trials, security force collusion, supergrass trials (past and more recent).  If we move the situation away from Belfast or Ireland for a moment - were EOKA (Cyprus), Mau-Mau (Kenya), ANC (South Africa) all murderers and thugs? Strange that because their respective leaders - Makarios, Kenyatta, Mandela, Tambo have been wined and dined in Downing Street and Buckingham Palace as statesmen - where, when and by whom were these suddnely sanitised and coverted from hoodlum to leader? The fact was that they would not have been hoodlums if other factors had not forced them to it.
 In many instances unjust laws and unjust legal systems have provoked uprisings, state violence, civil commotion, inter-communal strife etc, etc, etc.Laws and justice administered by the ruling classes and state forces (who are sometimes just well-mannered and well-dressed thugs and murderers)  are not the criteria by which to judge anyone. I would imagine that the socialist side of you must acknowledge that there were some cases / causes where armed struggle and revolution were the only way forwards for people who may well have been law-abiding citizens of a country.
I do not speak necessarily or exclusively of the NI situation. But that is one reason why I accept the verdict of the NI electorate in its choice of MLAS, Ministers, Courts, Police Service and so on - does not matter whom I think are 'thugs' etc. Our people [Ireland and Northern Ireland] have spoken, there is at least some form of power-sharing and participative democracy for all communities. Not my Utopia but a hell of a lot better than it was and I am happy to accept what we have even if I do not agree with all of its personnel, decision-making [or lack of it!] etc

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Re: EMBARRASED TO COME FROM BELFAST
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2012, 09:11:59 PM »
Can say I am very proud to come from Belfast,and will never be ashamed off my birthplace, or my Northern Irish roots,

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« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2012, 09:14:10 PM »
Can say I am very proud to come from Belfast,and will never be ashamed off my birthplace, or my Northern Irish roots,

Embarrassed to come from Belfast?  No never.
Embarrassed by my peers and fellow citizens? Frequently.

 
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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2012, 09:47:20 PM »

Embarrassed to come from Belfast?  No never.
Embarrassed by my peers and fellow citizens? Frequently.

Spot on! Pastie Bap
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« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2012, 12:35:24 PM »
James - here and in other posts you mix some no doubt very traumatic personal experiences with more general points about politics, economics, celebrities who hail from Belfast. We all are complex mixtures of experience, environment, heredity etc and these colour our world view. There are, however, some objective facts that operate out there whether we will them or not. 
The people of Northern Ireland elected their politicians and I don't think any person is gifted or all-seeing enough to override the collective viewpoint of the people - it smacks of arrogance. You may, of course, seek to persuade them that their view is mistaken but to label their representatives in the manner you do is insulting to representatives and people alike.  In respect of criticism of celebrities etc you are entirely free to make the points you do and this applies also to your embarrassment about coming from Belfast - there are many who would agree with you and many more who would not. My worry is that you are letting your tragic and traumatic experiences colour your views too much and I am even more concerned that the forum may not be the best place for recounting or reflecting on abuse - for your own protection and that of others. The world is not entirely composed of abusers, villains, exploiters, gangsters, crackpots etc. It is also more than arrogant to label as 'brainwashed' anyone who supports a political party, admires a person, is proud of their city / country etc. The only balance exhibited so far in the content of most [not all] of your comments results from the chip you clearly carry on each shoulder!!!!

Note to self - Never get into a war of words with GandT.  That's a fight I ain't winning.  I honestly must say I admire your diplomacy and way with words.   O0
 
Also, Pastie Bap, couldn't agree more.
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« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2012, 02:52:39 PM »
Oh... And y'know those "boys & girls come out to play..." ads where the cartoon characters learn to all be good chums?

They make me cringe.
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Re: EMBARRASED TO COME FROM BELFAST
« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2012, 08:24:29 PM »
lotuss, you say you have been abused in the most horrifying way gtowing up in belfasst and from your angry rants it is obvious you are not a happy puppy. perhaps you need to really examine who it was that abused you. it waas not belfast probally someone much closer. there is no statute of limitations on child abuse.  file a complaint with the police in belfast  and point your anger at the right people. belfast is a great place to come from and sometimes it not bad to go back to even if only for a short time
 

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« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2012, 04:20:39 PM »
I'm not really ashamed to be from Belfast but let's be honest, there's not much to be proud of.  And please don't wheel out the Titanic, it sank.

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« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2012, 04:23:49 PM »
I'm not really ashamed to be from Belfast but let's be honest, there's not much to be proud of.  And please don't wheel out the Titanic, it sank.

There was nothing wrong with it when it left Belfast ::)
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« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2012, 04:30:53 PM »

There was nothing wrong with it when it left Belfast ::)

Maybe you were lucky enough to live in a part of Belfast that was unaffected by the conflict.  Or perhaps you were one of these people who walked around with your eyes closed.    ::)

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« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2012, 04:36:58 PM »

Maybe you were lucky enough to live in a part of Belfast that was unaffected by the conflict.  Or perhaps you were one of these people who walked around with your eyes closed.    ::)

Sorry, McStravick I was making a quip about the Titanic ,in that it was all right when it left Belfast !
I wasn't born in Belfast, but have lived here for a good while. I was born in North Antrim and while the sectarian divisions and conflict were not as bad as in Belfast or Stroke City, they were still there, doesn't make me embarrassed to come from there or live in Belfast, I think it's a great city.
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