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Bigali

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« Reply #465 on: March 06, 2019, 01:52:34 PM »
The old home town luks the same as I step down from the train        :whistle:
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« Reply #466 on: March 06, 2019, 02:33:59 PM »
The old home town luks the same as I step down from the train        :whistle:

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« Reply #467 on: April 08, 2019, 11:25:41 AM »
There will never be harmony until education is integrated. This is a fact.

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« Reply #468 on: April 08, 2019, 11:34:54 AM »
There will never be harmony until education is integrated. This is a fact.

I went to a mixed religion grammar school and I don’t think it made that much of a difference to be honest , we all got on together fine in school ,but outside of school everyone mostly chummed around with their own respective “side”.

There were a few Sikh and Hindu kids at the school and in hindsight they probably did it best as they just chose their friends on a personality basis with no religion hang up.
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« Reply #469 on: April 08, 2019, 11:53:48 AM »
There will never be harmony until education is integrated. This is a fact.

I agree.  We can't expect change if our basic education system itself is divisive.
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« Reply #470 on: April 10, 2019, 02:37:40 PM »
There will never be harmony until education is integrated. This is a fact.


Integrated education or integrated schools?  Do we do away with faith schools - all denominations? Why would we seek to do this when nearly all faith schools have been demonstrated time and again to be highly successful, highly popular and non-divisive by surveys throughout the world? This has been particularly true of Catholic schools elsewhere. Some people seem to imagine that integrated and some other schools do not have a religious ethos - ask Methodist College and Friends for example and, as far as I am aware, integrated schools have a 'Christian ethos'. A lot of argument surrounds integrated schools in the absence of too many other areas of life that were never, and are not currently, integrated. Take a look at the history of employment and housing policy in NI and examine how integrated they have been. In fact, Bigali makes the point very accurately

I went to a mixed religion grammar school and I don’t think it made that much of a difference to be honest , we all got on together fine in school ,but outside of school everyone mostly chummed around with their own respective “side”.

There were a few Sikh and Hindu kids at the school and in hindsight they probably did it best as they just chose their friends on a personality basis with no religion hang up.


Schools can only do a very limited amount. Maybe people should campaign first for integrated education for Protestant and Catholic children in their respective sectors where there is educational apartheid and stark social injustice by virtue of an outdated, tired and obsolete system of academic selection at age 10-11.

Integrated education is already under way in quite a number of places. Integrated schools are virtually a stated political position against faith schools. After nearly 50 years only about 6-7% of parents have elected for integrated schools - must tell us something!


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« Reply #471 on: April 10, 2019, 03:08:16 PM »
There is a little School in Annsborough,down the hill from Castlewellan.
It has been `integrated`for about 150 years.

This little School is still going strong.

I was there myself briefly at age 4-but only for a few months but loved it.
It was run by Master O`Cleary Clarke-Father of Connor O`Cleary Clarke-correspondent
in New York for many years for I think the Irish Independent-stand corrected on this-
may have been another Irish paper.

Mrs O`Cleary Clarke was the Mistress.They lived in the `Masters House`up from the School.
Later they moved to Newcastle.
They had 3 boys and one girl.
I knew these children very well as we travelled on the buses together to Downpatrick-the boys
to the `Red High`,Marie to the `Blue `and me to the `Green High`.
Also,back in our town we all socialised.

My point in all this `history`is the simple fact that all those years ago there was no problem with
a mixed school -the modern `integrated`are an improvement on segrated education,however,
 IMHO have a lot to learn from this little village school who are so far ahead of them-and have been
doing it without any fuss for years.

No doubt this post has bored a lot of you -but there you go-sure it won`t be a first!!!

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« Reply #474 on: April 10, 2019, 09:02:27 PM »
I went to a mixed religion grammar school and I don’t think it made that much of a difference to be honest , we all got on together fine in school ,but outside of school everyone mostly chummed around with their own respective “side”.

There were a few Sikh and Hindu kids at the school and in hindsight they probably did it best as they just chose their friends on a personality basis with no religion hang up.

I also, went to a  '' Mixed Religion Grammar School " in the 50"s ------- my experience was identical to yours.. :)

But, I still think it is the way ALL  Education should be done.   Schools for EDUCATION === Church for RELIGION.
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« Reply #475 on: April 12, 2019, 11:52:59 AM »
If all schools followed the Roman Catholic model of teaching.... things would be alot brighter for the kids.
The school exam results say as much. Huge differences.. . ..

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« Reply #476 on: April 13, 2019, 11:34:38 AM »
Yes indeed James James-correct in both.

I would like to thank you for posting both articles-it was wonderful reading them.

Brought back many good and happy memories for me.

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« Reply #477 on: April 13, 2019, 12:49:01 PM »
I honestly think that religion has no place in schools.  We should demand change from our so called political leaders on this matter. 

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« Reply #478 on: April 13, 2019, 12:53:43 PM »
I honestly think that religion has no place in schools.  We should demand change from our so called political leaders on this matter.

I know where you’re coming from and I see your point but I must admit to being undecided on the teaching of religion in schools .
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« Reply #479 on: April 15, 2019, 11:23:06 AM »
I honestly think that religion has no place in schools.  We should demand change from our so called political leaders on this matter.


So, this would do away with all Catholic Maintained, Controlled, Integrated and Voluntary grammar schools in NI. To say nothing of the fact that a huge swath of schools was built by and funded by religious orders and contributions over many, many years by Catholic parishioners [by far the biggest bulk before introduction of full funding for Catholic schools. This does not include initial funding by religious bodies and individuals of faith of voluntary grammar [in both communities  as well as other schools].

Some people think the curriculum should be solely secular - in other words, an attempt by education to equip youngsters by explanation and preparation for all the questions and the mysteries of their lives; others see religious education as laying before them a mystery that explains everything. Both are legitimate standpoints.

Religion is not merely a matter of prayers said in buildings or in houses; it quite legitimately influences education, thought, behaviour, social and political opinion. It is not the sole responsibility of schools but  parents all over the world opt for faith schools - publicly or privately funded - parents of no faith, of little faith, of faiths different to that of the schools they choose and these schools [especially in NI] are among the very best performing [secular results] in the world. Surveys would indicate that Catholic schools in the US, for example, perform marginally better in student scores if students are from affluent backgrounds but massively so if kids are from disadvantaged backgrounds.

What is the problem with religious schools? Surveys show that schools do not divide or produce poor citizens - the opposite. They do not under-perform, they actually exceed government targets in secular subjects and that they are extremely popular with parents. Why would anyone wish to hinder that?