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James James

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Re: Ashers bakery, any thoughts.
« Reply #975 on: June 06, 2018, 09:39:56 AM »
Their Christians. Could you honestly expect a bakery (Shankill Rd) being expected to make a green white and orange cake with the initals PIRA on it ? Should they be forced to ?
In that particular case I doubt if the bakery would have a legal obligation to do that,... because it would be helping to publicly endorse criminality,... but on the other hand,... if the cake was for an SF political event, and the initials were SF,... then yes, the bakery could, and should, be required to produce the cake,... just as it should be if the cake was for any other political party,... although I doubt if any Ulster nationalists would be enthusiastic consumers of such a product,... very undoubtedly worthy folk that the bakers of the Shankill undoubtedly are.  ::)

BTW,... bear in mind too,... that as the message on the original cake, was also a political campaigning one,... the customer was also being politically discriminated against,... is there any Christian teaching in the Bible which requires or advocates that. ?

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« Reply #976 on: June 06, 2018, 10:12:48 AM »
Meanwhile in Colorado USA :)

The supreme court ruled in favour ( 7-2 ) of a Colorado baker who refused to bake a cake to celebrate the marriage of a same sex couple because of a religious objection. An interesting case and ruling.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/masterpiece-colorado-gay-marriage-cake-supreme-court/index.html

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« Reply #977 on: June 06, 2018, 09:27:49 PM »
Victory for those who believe in freedom of conscience.

James James

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« Reply #978 on: June 08, 2018, 10:17:14 AM »
Victory for those who believe in freedom of conscience.
::) Yes,... provided that it's their own. !

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« Reply #979 on: June 08, 2018, 07:33:31 PM »
Lord God watch over and protect the Asher         .     Amen       
love me       love my gelding    

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« Reply #980 on: June 09, 2018, 01:48:28 AM »
Lord God watch over and protect the Asher         .     Amen       
The will surely have their day, if not of this World....

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« Reply #981 on: June 09, 2018, 03:22:44 AM »
Well,... I'm not really sure what relevance the recent posts about a legal ruling about a baker and a cake in America have to a similar legal situation in the U.K.,... but...

"People are sharing this shop's 'No Gays Allowed' sign after the gay cake ruling"
https://www.indy100.com/article/no-gays-allowed-sign-hardware-store-tennessee-viral-same-sex-ruling-baker-cake-8388976


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« Reply #982 on: October 10, 2018, 10:44:21 AM »
The UK,s highest court has ruled that Ashers bakery,s refusal to make a cake with a slogan supporting same-sex marriage was NOT discriminatory.Sense has finally prevailed IMO.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759

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« Reply #983 on: October 10, 2018, 11:05:55 AM »
The UK,s highest court has ruled that Ashers bakery,s refusal to make a cake with a slogan supporting same-sex marriage was NOT discriminatory.Sense has finally prevailed IMO.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759


The only logical decision....  :clapping:
When will the I.R.A. pay Compensation to their Innocent Victims or Relatives.

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« Reply #984 on: October 10, 2018, 01:01:55 PM »
Christians should not be persecuted for their faith. 😊
Trump helping to defend the unborn in the USA, another indication that Our Lord works in mysterious ways.
God will work his magic within the Vatican, given time. Cardinal Vigano and Muller, just the start.
Thank GOD. 😇😊

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« Reply #985 on: October 10, 2018, 03:13:46 PM »
The judges appear to have made their decision on the basis of employment law discrimination,... but it wasn't an employment issue. !

It was an issue about arbitrary censorship prompted by personal beliefs and opinions being imposed on other people.

So what happens when the next cake slogan, or request to a printer to print a leaflet or poster,... is about a political party or campaign,... or about a sporting event or team or a sports person,... or even about a religious denomination, or issue or event. !

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« Reply #986 on: October 10, 2018, 04:02:01 PM »
The UK,s highest court has ruled that Ashers bakery,s refusal to make a cake with a slogan supporting same-sex marriage was NOT discriminatory.Sense has finally prevailed IMO.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759


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Hopefully all will accept the verdict and act accordingly.

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« Reply #987 on: October 10, 2018, 07:46:58 PM »
The UK,s highest court has ruled that Ashers bakery,s refusal to make a cake with a slogan supporting same-sex marriage was NOT discriminatory.Sense has finally prevailed IMO.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759


Hopefully most reasonable people will accept the unanimous ruling of the highest court in the United Kingdom, or maybe not.  :D
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« Reply #988 on: October 11, 2018, 09:54:25 AM »
The judges appear to have made their decision on the basis of employment law discrimination,... but it wasn't an employment issue. !

It was an issue about arbitrary censorship prompted by personal beliefs and opinions being imposed on other people.

So what happens when the next cake slogan, or request to a printer to print a leaflet or poster,... is about a political party or campaign,... or about a sporting event or team or a sports person,... or even about a religious denomination, or issue or event. !
I always thought you were an intelligent guy. Although I often disagree with you, you usually have good points to make.
 However, I can't understand why you still have problems accepting the ruling which states that it was not the person who was discriminated against, but their message they wanted printed on their cake.
The McArthurs have also stated that Mr Lee will be welcome back in their shop any time.
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« Reply #989 on: October 11, 2018, 07:00:31 PM »
The judges appear to have made their decision on the basis of employment law discrimination,... but it wasn't an employment issue. !

It was an issue about arbitrary censorship prompted by personal beliefs and opinions being imposed on other people.

So what happens when the next cake slogan, or request to a printer to print a leaflet or poster,... is about a political party or campaign,... or about a sporting event or team or a sports person,... or even about a religious denomination, or issue or event. !

Er, no

The judges made their decision on simple common sense.

Unless you subscribe to the notion that anyone should be forced to do what they don't want to do.

I say nobody should, in which case they face the consequences of their chosen lifestyle, for better or worse.

It's a very sad state of affairs when a small family bakery is being used as the social standard.

Over 20m of taxpayers money being used to fight a stitch up job by someone who's gay over a freakin cake.

That's socialism for you.