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mwgeorgia

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Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« on: July 17, 2015, 03:12:23 PM »
The only information I have about my family is the following.  They are buried in City Cemetery.  I KNOW I must have cousins or other relatives still in Belfast.    Who arranged James Vance's burial in 1988?  He was my grandmother's brother.     :'(

Alfred Wilson( My grandfather)  age 43 of 124 oldpark road  Died in Purdysburn Mental hospital 6-1-1944  Agnes Vance age 53 of 8 earl haig cresent Died 17-11-1954   James Martin age 73 of 8 earl haig cresent Died 29-12-1966  James Vance ( My great uncle) age 96 no address Died in Downshire Hospital 11-4-1988

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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2015, 12:38:51 AM »

You can get the marriage cert here for 5 credits (40p per credit)
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk
M/1927/B1/446/6/47   Alfred   Wilson   Vance   11th July 1927   Belfast
M/1927/B1/446/6/47   Mary   Vance   Wilson   11th July 1927   Belfast

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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2015, 01:08:34 AM »
 Census Years1911AntrimDuncairnGreenmount StreetResidents of a house
Residents of a house 47 in Greenmount Street (Duncairn, Antrim)
Wilson   David   44   Male   Head of Family   Church of Ireland   Belfast   Car Driver
Wilson   Harriet   46   Female   Wife   Church of Ireland   County Dublin   Housekeeper   20   7   4
Wilson   William   19   Male   Son   Church of Ireland   Belfast   General Labourer
Wilson   Alfred   10   Male   Son   Church of Ireland   Belfast   
Wilson   Margaret 9   Female   DaughterChurch of IrelandBelfast
Wilson   Mary Ann 7   Female   DaughterChurch of IrelandBelfast

 Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage   15 Aug 1890
Groom Name   David WILSON
Bride Name   Harriett  MCCANN
Church   Mariners Church of Ireland
Parish   Shankill
Civil District   Belfast
County   Antrim
Surname   First Name   Year   Father's First Name   County
WILSON    DAVID   1890   ALEXANDER   Antrim
MCCANN HARRIETT 1890 WILLIAM   Antrim

Would need the marriage cert to get the father of Mary Vance...

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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2015, 09:01:38 AM »
     You appear to have three choices
1.     [/font]Attempts by family history means, by tracing ALL descendants of grandparents, even grandparents. If you are wanting others to help you further, do it on your computer so you can copy bits for others people use.   ie make a tree of descendants with last know address wherever possible as well as hospital. If the relatives have lived in Belfast since the 1911 irish census, become familiar with www.lennonwylie.co.uk latest available directories eg 1918 complete   1932 streets   1943 streets   1951 streets (streets) means the Towns and Counties section has not been transcribed yet (complete) means the whole directory has been transcribed. Nowdays she has NEW - DIRECTORIES ONLINE (IMAGES ONLY) 1924    1951    1960
2.     [/font]Search modern electoral rolls or telephone directories.  For example there are 90 Northern Ireland Vance listed in http://www.thephonebook.bt.com reduce that to about 45 Belfast and Co Down addresses and tel numbers,  leaving you a choice of phoning all at a suitable time or posting a letter to each by second class with a prepaid envelope second class stamp depending where you live ie in UK or not .
3.     [/font]Carry on as you are in choice 1 and try a couple of likely ones from choice 2.
 
 
However I don’t know if you have searched other sources
http://www.ancestryireland.com
http://www.familysearch.org
Wills at PRONI
http://www.nifhs.org/resultsgse.htm
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/ have ‘named’ tree holders named who list recent Belfast Vance etc

I could go on but am trying to help, good luck and don't give up. JimG
 

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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2015, 01:03:08 PM »
This is a long shot, but I believe my Grandmothers maiden name was Vance I think her name was Martha/May. Married name McCarron. No other info on her, my Dad never talked about his parents. My Dads' name was Samuel, siblings May, Eva, Muriel, David, James, Noel, Eddie, Alex. I'm pretty sure they lived in Mayo Street. Dad forged his age to join the navy in ww2, and after the war took free passage to Australia, then came to New Zealand early/mid 50s. if any of this relates to your search I would be very keen to hear from you.


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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2015, 01:57:18 PM »

This is a long shot, but I believe my Grandmothers maiden name was Vance I think her name was Martha/May. Married name McCarron. No other info on her, my Dad never talked about his parents. My Dads' name was Samuel, siblings May, Eva, Muriel, David, James, Noel, Eddie, Alex. I'm pretty sure they lived in Mayo Street. Dad forged his age to join the navy in ww2, and after the war took free passage to Australia, then came to New Zealand early/mid 50s. if any of this relates to your search I would be very keen to hear from you.


Bumsmum, have you seen replies to your other enquiry, I'm just concerned that you are missing out on information being posted:

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,34484.0.html

In relation to a McCarron / Vance marriage, a Samuel McCarron (soldier) married a Mary Vance in Albert Street Presbyterian Church Belfast on 17 December 1918, the groom's father was David McCarron (deceased), the bride's father was Edward Vance, a farmer, witnesses were Robert W. McCarron and Margaret McCarron.

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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2015, 02:09:00 PM »
Given the names Samuel McCarron and Robert W McCarron and the "Mayo Street" reference, I'm fairly confident that this is Samuel McCarron, his brother and mother in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Woodvale/Mayo_Street/179484/ 

Note: House 24 simply means the 24th house enumerated in the census, the actual street number (which is available if you click "Additional Pages") is no. 49 Mayo Street.
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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2015, 02:16:35 PM »
If there are any images posted above that are important to you, take your own copy - I cannot guarantee they will appear indefinitely.

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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2015, 02:42:35 PM »
The parents of Samuel and Robert W McCarron who appear in the 1911 census I posted are David John McCarron and Mary Thompson, they got married on 15 March 1891 in St. Annes Church of Ireland.

At the time of marriage in 1891, David John McCarron was a 44 year old widower, the son of a David McCarron, a labourer. Mary Thompson was 38, the daughter of Alexander Thompson, a gardener.
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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2015, 03:03:09 PM »
Back to the "Mayo Street" reference, courtesy of the Lennon Wylie Belfast street directories, the following for Mayo Street:

1918:  49. McCarron, Samuel, fitter
1924: 49 M'Carron, Samuel, fitter
1932: 49. McCarron, Samuel, fitter
1943: 49. McCarron, Samuel, fitter
1951: 49 M'Carron. Mrs M. M.
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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2015, 09:28:56 AM »
Bumsmum, have you seen replies to your other enquiry, I'm just concerned that you are missing out on information being posted:

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,34484.0.html

In relation to a McCarron / Vance marriage, a Samuel McCarron (soldier) married a Mary Vance in Albert Street Presbyterian Church Belfast on 17 December 1918, the groom's father was David McCarron (deceased), the bride's father was Edward Vance, a farmer, witnesses were Robert W. McCarron and Margaret McCarron.
Thankyou, yes I have seen your replies on other enquiry, Very much appreciated. Have shared this info with other relatives in the hope of putting it all together.

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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2015, 09:39:05 AM »

Thankyou, yes I have seen your replies on other enquiry, Very much appreciated. Have shared this info with other relatives in the hope of putting it all together.


That's good, let us know if that Samuel McCarron / Mary Vance is on the right track.

BTW, there's a Robert William McCarron last living in Newtownards who is buried in Dundonald Cemetery, there's nothing else yet to tie him in (ie. as Samuel's brother) other than the name and that his DOB is in the ballpark:

https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8219.9993
 
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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2015, 09:58:59 AM »
And there is this grave in Belfast City Cemetery, which has to be Samuel McCarron (died 1943) and wife Mary (died 1952 - Martha May presumably =  M.M. as in the 1951 street directory?):

https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=S&GraveNumber=65&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension

Click on "View details" to see each burial record, the "last place of residence" is interesting for each record (other than the 49 Mayo St. address, I mean).

GRONI online has the civil death records if you want to see them (choosing "Full" view for a digitised image costs £2):

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2015, 10:56:00 AM »
Mary Vance (a.k.a. Martha May) who married Samuel McCarron in 1918 (father Edward according to the marriage), this looks like her in 1901 and 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Woodvale_Ward/Lanark_Street/986636/
   
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Woodvale/Lanark_Street/179209/
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Re: Still looking for Wilson or Vance Relatives in Belfast
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2015, 11:12:31 AM »
Turning to Mary Vance who married Samuel McCarron.

Drawing on the 1901 and 1911 census information, the parents of Mary Vance (a.k.a. Martha May - GRONI online has the civil birth record registered as Martha) were (Thomas) Edward Vance and Margaret Young, they got married in Clifton Street United Presbyterian Church on 12 July (yes really) in 1895. Groom Thomas Edward Vance was a dairyman, son of Samuel Vance, likewise a dairyman.  Bride Margaret Young was the daughter of David Young, a mason.
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