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FAMILY ELDER - OLD ARDOYNE FIRE STATION
« on: September 28, 2015, 01:01:02 PM »
HELLO - I AM NEW TO ALL THIS AND COMING OVER TO BELFAST FROM ABERDEEN AT THE END OF OCTOBER TO SEARCH IN MORE DETAIL FOR MY MATERNAL FAMILY - CALLED ELDER - FORMERLY LIVING AT (OLD) ARDOYNE FIRE STATION, CIRCA 1904. MY GRANDMOTHER WAS CALLED RUBY ELDER AND HAD 5/6 SIBLINGS. SHE ALSO SPENT SOME TIME AT MALONE PLACE DURING 1926. MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER WAS KNOWN AS MRS ELDER FROM SAME STATION ADDRESS - HOPING SOMEONE CAN HELP ME WITH THIS AS TRYING TO TRACE MY REAL FAMILY/RELATIVES, ETC. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.


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Re: FAMILY ELDER - OLD ARDOYNE FIRE STATION
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2015, 01:47:02 PM »
I'm not getting an Ardoyne location yet, maybe I have the wrong family.  Anyhow, the couple in the 1901 / 1911 census are buried in grave C 360, Belfast City Cemetery, Glenalina Extension (click on link below, then on "View details" to see individual grave occupant details):

https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=C&GraveNumber=360&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension   

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2015, 01:55:16 PM »
The couple in the 1901 / 1911 census are Samuel Elder and Annie McCracken, they got married in Limavady Second Presbyterian Church on 23 December 1895, his father was James Elder, a car driver, her father was William McCracken, a mason.

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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2015, 02:09:17 PM »

Ha, finally a possible Ardoyne connection. A 19 year old Annie Elder from Ardoyne married a John Semple in Donegall Square East Methodist Church on 20 October 1920, her father was recorded as Samuel Elder and a Maria Elder was a witness. Is this Annie and (Ellen) Maria Elder in the census returns?

 

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2015, 02:29:07 PM »
REALLY clutching at straws here, hoping that something will provide a hook to catch someone's attention for you.

A Rebecca Elder married a Thomas Dumican on 14 April 1931, the marriage was registered in Belfast. Is this Ruby in the 1911 census ?

A Florence Elder married a Robert Nelson on 6 May 1931, the marriage was registered in Belfast. Is this Florrie in the 1911 census?
 
V-errrrrrr-y speculative.

 

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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2015, 02:46:39 PM »
Ha, when Rebecca Elder married Thomas Dumican on 14 April 1931, her residence was given as Ardoyne Fire Station, Belfast and her father given as Samuel Elder, a fireman.

Hope this provides enough hooks for others, bowing out now for fresh eyes.


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Re: FAMILY ELDER - OLD ARDOYNE FIRE STATION
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2015, 08:04:08 PM »
the mention of Dumican or could it be Dumigan or similar spellings? good luck, tboy

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Re: FAMILY ELDER - OLD ARDOYNE FIRE STATION
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2015, 09:17:05 PM »
Looks like Thomas and Rebecca Dumican ended up in Greenisland, they are buried in grave C 1285 of Roselawn Cemetery (click "View details" to see individual grave occupant information):

https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=C&GraveNumber=1285&CemeteryName=Roselawn%20Cemetery   

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2015, 09:40:02 PM »
Per the PRONI Will Calendar Index:

Dumican, Thomas of 4F Glassilan Court Greenisland county Antrim retired constable royal ulster constabulary died 11 January 1963 at Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast Administration Belfast 4 February to Rebecca Dumican otherwise Ruby Dumican the widow. Effects 294.

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Re: FAMILY ELDER - OLD ARDOYNE FIRE STATION
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2015, 10:05:41 PM »
The 1901 and 1911 census returns show Samuel Elder born in Co. Derry c. 1874/5, the closest birth I can find is a Samuel Elder to James Elder and Rebecca Bailie/Bailey on 2 June 1874, the address was given as Coolessan Drumachose, it was registered in Limavady.  This looks like James and Rebecca in the 1901 census, note, his occupation matches that recorded for the groom's father in the 1895 marriage of Samuel Elder to Annie McCracken:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Limavaddy/Meeting_House_Lane/1526222/

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Re: FAMILY ELDER - OLD ARDOYNE FIRE STATION
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2015, 10:26:55 PM »
If James Elder and Rebecca Bailie/Bailey are correct, I can see quite a few children for this couple and siblings for Samuel, including Catherine Anne Elder born 1865, Thomas Elder baptised 1868, John Elder born 1870, Sarah Elder born 1872, Sarah Eliza Elder born 1877, James Perry Elder born 1880, and Alexander Elder born 1885, all Co. Derry.

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Re: FAMILY ELDER - OLD ARDOYNE FIRE STATION
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2015, 10:47:39 PM »
On the McCracken front, a possibility I can find for Annie (the 1901 / 1911 census returns suggest born c. 1873/4 in Co. Derry) is an Annie McCracken born 3 October 1869 of Ballyclose, Limavady, to parents William McCracken, a mason (which ties in to her father's occupation in the 1895 marriage record to Samuel Elder) and Ellen Cassidy.

William McCracken and Ellen Cassidy married in Derramore Presbyterian Church, Drumachose, on 28 March 1865, his father was also called William McCracken, a weaver, her father was Samuel Cassidy, a labourer.  They went on to have other children including William McCracken born 1866, Margaret Jane McCracken born 1871, Ellen Maria McCracken born 1876, Emma McCracken born 1878, Emily McCracken born 1880, George McCracken born 1882, and James McCracken born 1888, all Co. Derry. This looks like William and Ellen and son George in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Limavaddy/Ballyclose_Street/1525783/


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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2015, 11:08:18 PM »

https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=C&GraveNumber=360&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension


Have just noticed that the other occupants of this grave include an almost 17 year old Eileen Elder who died in 1926, with the last place of residence given as  "Ardoyne Fire Stn".  Also a 9 year old William John Semple who died in 1930, with the last place of residence given as "About Ardoyne House 10 Fire Station Crumlin Road Ardoyne".  Presumably this supports the possibility I previously posted about Annie Elder marrying a John Semple in 1920 (was William John their son?).


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Re: FAMILY ELDER - OLD ARDOYNE FIRE STATION
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2015, 11:48:10 PM »

Have just noticed that the other occupants of this grave include an almost 17 year old Eileen Elder who died in 1926...


Was trying to work out who this Eileen Elder was and think I've cracked it, albeit the age is slightly out (not unusual though).

GRONI online has a birth registered in Belfast for an Eileen Elder born 9 May 1909, the mother's maiden name was McCracken.  She appears in the 1911 census as a niece in the household of James and Jane Elder and family:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Limavady_Urban/Meeting_House_Lane/597286/

This couple were James Elder of Limavady and Jane McCafferty who got married in Errigal Church of Ireland on 30 December 1902, the marriage record confirms that the groom's father was also called James Elder.  The James Elder who married Jane McCafferty was Samuel Elder's brother, James Perry Elder born 1880, the same one shown in 1901 living with his parents as previously posted:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Limavaddy/Meeting_House_Lane/1526222/

If you look again at the 1911 census return for Samuel and Annie (McCracken) Elder in Chichester Street, you will see it recorded that they had 7 children born and 7 children living, but only 6 are listed - Maria, Annie, Samuel, Ruby,  Willie, and Florrie:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Chichester_Street__part_of_/133414/

Eileen was the missing one, presumably visiting her Uncle James and Aunt Jane in Limavady.