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Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« on: August 06, 2016, 12:00:48 PM »
Hi all.
The Largey family of mother, father and 3 boys are living at 13 Abbey Street,Belfast in 1901 census.Father is James,mother is Bridget(nee Burns),and the boys are John,Michael and James.They are all listed as being born in Belfast.
By 1911 census the 3 sons are living as boarders in the home of McClinton at 39 Townsend Street, Belfast.There is no sign of their parents. There is a married couple of James and Bridget Largey living in Greenore Street,Belfast in 1911 census but their ages and place of birth do not match.
I have located death records for a Bridget Largey on 2nd March 1909,aged 35 and a James Largy on 20th January 1909 aged 38,but I have no way of knowing if these are the parents.
Does anyone have access to records which might confirm or disprove that these two people were the parents of the 3 boys?

Thank you.
Paul.

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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2016, 05:59:21 PM »
city hall.  if they were catholic  then the odds are they are interred in Milltown Cemetery.
            Chances are some of there sons are buried there as well.
              If you are willing to speculate the fee the cemetery will give you a cert for the grave and a list of the people buried in that grave
                 Or you can visit the cemetery and the office will give you the grave no. Perhaps there is a headstone with some info on it
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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2016, 12:52:24 AM »
Hi city hall, burial info:
Interred in different graves:
24.01.1909 James Largey 38 yrs at Union.
05.03.1909 Brigid Largey 35 yrs at 10 Christian Place.

Interred in same grave:
20.09.1895 Patrick Samuel Largey 3 yrs of 5 Townsend Street.
03.12.1896 Edward Largey 14 yrs of 27 Abbey Street.
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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2016, 11:03:18 AM »
Hi johnmc,thanks for the reply.I might well have to pay Milltown for the details of who is buried in particular plots.It's not cheap.The last time I had to pay 20 for each grave.It may well cost more now.

Hi LGC,Thanks for the information.Can you confirm if James's surname was spelled Largey or Largy on the burial info you have access to?   It is spelled Largy on the govt's official site for ordering certificates.I only ask because I am not convinced he is the James I am looking for.'My' James gives his age as 26 in the 1901 census, but I believe he was 24, having been  born on 13th July 1977 to Henry Largey and Mary Ann Morris. Even taking his age as 26 in 1901 would leave him 34 in 1909 when he died, not 38.

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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2016, 11:06:48 AM »
Sorry LGC, I meant to ask you. Are the 2 children buried in the same grave as James or Bridget?

Paul.

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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2016, 12:36:04 PM »

Hi city hall, burial info:
Interred in different graves:
24.01.1909 James Largey 38 yrs at Union.
05.03.1909 Brigid Largey 35 yrs at 10 Christian Place.

Interred in same grave:
20.09.1895 Patrick Samuel Largey 3 yrs of 5 Townsend Street.
03.12.1896 Edward Largey 14 yrs of 27 Abbey Street.
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If Patrick Samuel was in the same grave as either James or Brigid, it ties that James or Brigid to John, Michael and James Largey 'boarding' with George McClinton (married to Jane, daughter of Henry Largey and Mary A Morris) in the 1911 census through the address 5 Townsend Street, because of this entry from the 1895 Belfast street directory on the PRONI website:

Townsend Street: 5 McClinton, G., carowner

http://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/cache/proniv2/bd/f4/9d/fe586277c8f59aa177d79df41648954dacfb9c3d59.jpg

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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2016, 01:11:54 PM »

If Patrick Samuel was in the same grave as either James or Brigid, it ties that James or Brigid to John, Michael and James Largey 'boarding' with George McClinton (married to Jane, daughter of Henry Largey and Mary A Morris) in the 1911 census through the address 5 Townsend Street, because of this entry from the 1895 Belfast street directory on the PRONI website:

Townsend Street: 5 McClinton, G., carowner

http://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/cache/proniv2/bd/f4/9d/fe586277c8f59aa177d79df41648954dacfb9c3d59.jpg


Patrick Samuel was baptised Samuel Patrick Largy in St. Mary's Belfast on 23 December 1892, parents given as Thomas Largy and Margaret Corrigan of 64 Peter's Hill.  Thomas Largey and Margaret Corrigan who got married in St. Mary's Belfast on 7 April 1890, Thomas was recorded as from Peter's Hill, his parents were given as Henry Largey and Marianne Morris.


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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2016, 01:20:01 PM »

Hi city hall, burial info:
Interred in different graves:
24.01.1909 James Largey 38 yrs at Union.
05.03.1909 Brigid Largey 35 yrs at 10 Christian Place.

Interred in same grave:
20.09.1895 Patrick Samuel Largey 3 yrs of 5 Townsend Street.
03.12.1896 Edward Largey 14 yrs of 27 Abbey Street.
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Again based on LGC's information, the only 'close' Edward Largey I can find is one baptised in St. Mary's Belfast on 28 November 1882, parents given as William John Largey and Margaret Leathem of Gardiner Street.  William John Largey of Peter's Hill married Margaret Leathem in St. Patrick's Belfast on 30 July 1876, William John's parents were given as Henry and Mary Ann Largey (there's those names again - presumably Mary Ann Morris).


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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2016, 02:28:07 PM »
Sorry LGC, I meant to ask you. Are the 2 children buried in the same grave as James or Bridget?

Paul.
I recorded these burials from the Milltown Cemetery, Belfast micro film at PRONI.
I would double check all info as sometimes the hand writing hard to decipher.
I will list by grave but as will see the addresses all overlap:
Largey General Ground
Grave 1
03.03.1878 James 7 mths        52 Peters Hill
06.04.1885 John 7 yrs             27 Abbey Street
30.12.1886 Ellen 3 mths          25 Sydney Street
Grave 2
28.12.1874 John 47 yrs           33 Gardiner Street
03.10.1881 James 52 yrs        Union Infirmary
03.07.1887 Mary 52 yrs          27 Gardiner Street
Grave 3
25.01.1889 Sarah 3 yrs           27 Abbey Street
14.07.1892 Sarah 3 yrs           27 Abbey Street
Grave 4
14.07.1893 Robert James 10 mths      60 Gardiner Street
31.01.1895 Bridget Jane 8 wks           60 Gardiner Street
Grave 5
20.09.1895 Patrick Samuel 3 yrs        5 Townsend Street
03.12.1896 Edward 14 yrs                  27 Abbey Street
Grave 6
15.11.1901 Henry 60 yrs                    52 Peters Hill
22.10.1915 Mary Ann 71 yrs              7 Boyd Street
Grave 7
27.09.1905 Thomas 33 yrs                 43 Peters Hill
11.03.1907 Catherine 3 yrs 6 mths     1 Peters Hill
Grave 8
24.01.1909 James 38 yrs         Union
Grave 9
05.03.1909 Brigid 35 yrs        10 Christian Place
Grave 10
20.08.1940 James 56 yrs        47 Raglan Street
Grave 11
09.09.1943 Henry 45 yrs        45 York Lane
 
Largey Poor Grounds
19.09.1899 Ann Margaret 2 mths        46 Abbey Street
25.03.1902 James 2 yrs 9 mths           29 York Lane
16.06.1902 Mary 29 yrs                       29 York Lane
13.10.1903 Alice 57 yrs                       29 York Lane
30.06.1905 Michael 23 yrs
27.11.1906 A. Mary 1 day                              8 Sydney Street
06.04.1913 Stillborn child of Patrick             31 California Street
 
I have other burials for the addresses below but am conscious about the pivacy of living families:
Bantry St, Baker St, Balkan St, Bombay St, Grosvenor Place, Spamount St, Artillery St.
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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2016, 07:31:27 PM »
Hi city hall, Largey can be spelt Largy also depending on who recorded it.

I have some other info to check regarding the Largey family.
25.02.1889 Sarah of 27 Abbey Street & 14.07.1892 Sarah of 27 Abbey Street interred in grave purchased by William John Largey of 27 Abbey Street.
Also interred in this grave:
06.05.1889 Jane Grew 22 yrs    44 Abbey Street
30.08.1895 Mary Grew 23 yrs   44 Abbey Street
 
On another note: I have been looking for a connection between the Largey & Grew families to my Foster Farr families of Abbey, Gardiner & Boyd Street.
 
My Great Grandmother Mary Anne Foster was born 08.12.1882 at 33 Abbey Street.
Sponsor at baptism was Mary J Grew.
 
In 1895 my great great Uncle Charles Farr & his wife Elizabeth McGonigal of 39 Gardiner Street had a son called John Farr.
Rose Ann Largey was sponsor for this child.
 
Rose Ann Largey daughter of Henry Largey, car owner of 60 Gardiner Street married Patrick Toal son of Patrick Toal, labourer of 62 Burnaby Street.
Children:
13.11.1910 Jane Toal born at 60 Gardiner Street. Sponsor Margaret Jane Toal. Jane married 01.11.1931 to Alan Jos. Stewart in New Jersey, USA.
19.09.1912 Mary Toal born at 5 Townsend Street. Sponsor Mary A McCartan.
Another family member living in 5 Townsend Street.

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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2016, 08:54:36 PM »
Hi CMcG,thanks for all the additional information.I didn't know that George McClinton's wife Jane was a Largey. You have also identified that 'my' James Largey had brothers called Thomas and William John in addition to a sister Jane.

Regards.
Paul.

Hi LGC,thanks for all the Largey family names and dates of death. Even at a glance I can see my wife's Great grandmother,great grandfather and GG grandmother. I have all the names of people buried in 2 of the graves you mention, and the names are as you would expect. Morris, McCartan,McClinton,and of course Largey .It seems these 4 family names keep repeating.
LGC, I know it must have taken you a long time extracting and then typing the information you have supplied to me,so again thank you.It is appreciated.

Regards.
Paul. 


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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2016, 01:00:00 AM »
Again based on LGC's information, the only 'close' Edward Largey I can find is one baptised in St. Mary's Belfast on 28 November 1882, parents given as William John Largey and Margaret Leathem of Gardiner Street.  William John Largey of Peter's Hill married Margaret Leathem in St. Patrick's Belfast on 30 July 1876, William John's parents were given as Henry and Mary Ann Largey (there's those names again - presumably Mary Ann Morris).
I just got a copy of the above marriage cert & the witnesses are a James Farr & Catherine Lynch.
James Farr is the second Farr name I have found in relation to the Largeys!!!
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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2016, 07:40:51 AM »
Just some other marriages to cross check against, where the bride's / groom's father was called Henry Largey... 

Ellen Largey of 52 Peter's Hill who married John McCamley of 64 Peter's Hill (parents John McCamley and Mary Ann Lea) in St. Mary's Belfast on 29 June 1881, Ellen's parents were given as Henry Largey and Mary Morris, the witnesses were Bernard McCamley and Anne Jane McCarnon.

Henry Largey of Peter's Hill who married Jane Herrin of North Street (parents Robert Herrin and Sarah Greg) in St. Mary's Belfast on 8 October 1883, Henry's parents were given as Henry Largey and Mary A Morris, the witnesses were George and Jane McClinton.

Mary Anne Largey, spinster, a 20 year old weaver, of 41 Gardiner Street who married Bernard McCamley, bachelor, a 25 year old labourer of 41 Gardiner Street (parents John McCamley, a porkcutter and Mary A Neill) in St. Mary's Belfast on 16 August 1889, Mary's parents were given as Henry Largey, a car driver and Mary A Morris, the witnesses were Thomas Largey and Ellen McCamley.

Also a speculative possibility in these folk: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Court_Ward/Peter_s_Place/947040/

The above couple was Margaret Largey, a spinster of full age, who married William John Scott, a bachelor of full age, a car driver (father William John Scott, a labourer) in Trinity Church of Ireland Belfast on 18 May 1896, Margaret's father was given as Henry Largey a car driver, the addresses were simply stated as Belfast, the witnesses were Hugh McCaw and Amelia Wylie.

Patrick Largey, bachelor, a car man of 52 Peter's Hill who married Mary Bloomer, spinster, a smoother of 44 Academy Street (father Ambrose Bloomer, a baker) in St. Patrick's Belfast on 24 July 1898, Patrick's father was given as Henry Largey a car man, the witnesses were John McAleese and Anne Johnston.

Sarah Largey, spinster, a 20 year old winder of 52 Peter's Hill who married Henry McCartan, bachelor, a 20 year old labourer of 27 Pound Street (father Edward McCartan, a shoemaker) in St. Mary's Belfast on 26 February 1900, Sarah's father was given as Henry Largey, a car driver, the witnesses were Patrick Woods and Catherine Corrigan.

Susanna Largey, a spinster of full age of 52 Peter's Hill who married John Mullan, a bachelor of full age, a slater of 52 Peter's Hill (father's name/occupation the same) in St. Mary's Belfast on 3 June 1905, Susanna's father was given as Henry Largey, a merchant, the witnesses were Edward McCrudden and Margaret McClinton.

Henry Largey, a bachelor of full age, a car driver of 60 Gardiner Street who married Mary Anne O'Neill, a 19 year old spinster of 95 New Lodge Road (father Henry O'Neill, a labourer) in St. Patrick's Belfast on 12 April 1909, Henry's father was given as Henry Largey, a car driver, the witnesses were James Duffy and Rose Ann Largey.

Mary Largey, spinster, a 19 year old millworker of 60 Gardiner Street who married John McCartan, a bachelor of full age, a labourer of 60 Gardiner Street (father Edward McCartan, a dealer) in Holy Rosary Belfast on 4 November 1909, Mary's father was given as Henry Largey, a car driver, the witnesses were Henry Largey and Mary Andrews.

Roseann Largey, a spinster of full age, a millworker of 60 Gardiner Street who married Hugh Toal, a bachelor of full age, a dealer of 62 Burnaby Street (father Patrick Toal - marriage mentioned at reply #9 above but groom's name was Hugh) in St. Mary's Belfast on Christmas Day 1909, Roseann's father was given as Henry Largey, a car owner, the witnesses were Patrick McClinton and Catherine Connolly.


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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2016, 10:12:53 AM »
LGC and CMcG,

Thanks for all the additional information. Henry and Mary Ann(Morris) Largey were certainly busy parents!!

I am trying to prove or disprove(whichever the case may be) the following.

I have got it into my head(rightly or wrongly) that John Largey, eldest of the 3 sons of James and Bridget Largey, is the J Largey who died on the first day of the battle of the Somme,1st July 1916, and about whom so  little appears to have been known by the Army. No age, no next of kin,not even a forename, just the initial J.
The J Largey I am referring to enlisted in Newcastle upon Tyne,but there are no J Largeys in the 1911 census of England and Wales,and only 3 in the 1911 Ireland census,of which my John Largey seems the most apt.J Largey joined the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers(Irish connection).My thinking is that so little was known about soldier J Largey because he was an orphan.I know his medals were returned by the Post Office as undeliverable. There was also a Michael Largey(John's younger brother?) who served in the Royal Innisking Fusiliers and survived WW1,but no biographical information relating to him has survived the passage of time.
The only name connected to soldier J Largey appears in the register of soldier's effects in 1919 when the 3-10-00 war gratuity he was entitled to was awarded to a Maggie Murray.No address or details of her relationship to J Largey are given.
I thought I had 'cracked it' when I discovered that a family named Murray was living next door to John Largey in Abbey Street in the 1901 census,especially when I saw one of the forenames was Margaret,but alas,her surname was not Murray.

The search goes on.
Regards.
Paul.

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Re: Largey family.Are these the parents of 3 young brothers?
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2016, 01:52:39 PM »
What is it that makes you think that John who died on 1 July 1916 was the same John?

Have you considered marriages, for example, Michael and John Largey who were boarding in the lodging house of Laurence and Margaret Barry at 69 Union Street when each got married?  Flaxdresser Michael first on 8 August 1914 in St. Peter's Belfast to a Margaret Jane Doherty, then soldier John on 9 October 1915 in St. Peter's to a Debra Maguire, in both cases, the groom's father was described as James Largey, a dealer.  John and Debra then had a daughter on 22 November 1917 which should mean that he's not the John Largey who died on 1 July 1916.  The daughter was unnamed at the point of registration, father John was described as a soldier, his address as 13 Grosvenor Place, which the 1918 Belfast street directory on the Lennon Wylie website suggests is the house of Debra's father William Maguire.

LGC mentioned one or more Largey burials for Grosvenor Place...