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angie61

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Mary McNeil 1859
« on: February 15, 2017, 07:17:30 PM »
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone can help.  I've been searching for some time now, for any more information on Mary McNeil, my  Great grand mother.  I am planing another trip to Belfast soon and would like to see if there is a grave for her, and to add a little more to this McNeil side of my tree.
The info I have so far is. She was born around 1859, fathers name Charles. 
She Married Phillip Francis Coutanche from Jersey in 1879 at Saint Anne's church/cathedral.
They had five children Two died very young.  The children are registered in both Cardiff Wales where Philip's family had settled,  and also in Belfast.

Philip died in 1897 at sea and the next records I have is her on the 1901 and 1911 census living in Artillery  with her two daughters Annie and Maggie. Their brother Charles lived in Wales.
I have a death record for Mary, she died on  June 21st 1921.
I believe that the McNeils' were a large family but know nothing else about Mary or her family,  not helped by the moving around she seemed to do.  I can't find a birth record for her, so I'm stuck in being able to go any further.    I'd be grateful for any help.

sam barry

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2017, 08:23:18 PM »
I see the marriage was in 1877 ?

Record Type   Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage   9 Nov 1877
Groom Name   Philip CONTANCH
Bride Name   Mary  MCNEILL
Church   Saint Annes Church of Ireland
Parish   Shankill
Civil District   Belfast
County   Antrim

angie61

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 08:30:34 PM »
Hi Sam Barry. Thank you.
 That's them,  I got the date wrong.   Mixed up with another relative.  It should give her father as Charles on the record.

sam barry

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2017, 08:34:53 PM »
Here's another one :

Record Type   Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage   14 Apr 1916
Groom Name   Thomas LUNDY  (father Thomas, Deceased)
Bride Name   Ann  COUTANCHE (father,Philip, Deceased).
Church   Belfast Roman Catholic Church
Parish   Belfast Urban 2
Civil District   Belfast
County   Antrim

You can view the full Marriage Certificate on line at: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/

angie61

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2017, 08:50:18 PM »
yes..That's my great aunt Annie with Thomas.  They went off and settled in Wales after Mary and then Maggie died 1931.
Meant to add.  Mary died in Belfast. I think still in Artillery street.  I have a record somewhere.

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angie61

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2017, 09:06:09 PM »
Sam,   Thanks for the Link to Irish Genealogy.  Just been on there,  Its really useful.

sam barry

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2017, 09:10:11 PM »
D/1921/48/1007/85/169   Mary   Coutanche   23rd May 1921   58      Female   Belfast
D/1886/48/1007/27/362   Mary   Coutanche   14th June 1886   2      Female   Belfast

angie61

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2017, 09:38:58 PM »
Thank you.  I have a different date for Mary's death but no doubt its the same Mary.
I've just gone on to Ancestry to check my source and appear to have lost the majority of my tree and records for some strange reason. :o

PS Your link is coming up with Coutanches in Cork which is new to me and possible a new branch.

sam barry

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2017, 09:48:54 PM »
Yes,that would be correct, the records on that link covers the whole of Ireland at that time.

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 10:53:43 PM »
Just a selection of bits and pieces from various records to consider, I'll leave you to join the rather obvious dots on a possible candidate for Mary McNeill's mother. 

Marriages

1. A Margaret McNeill of 40 Andrew Street married John McCluskey on 21 December 1875, her father was given as Charles McNeill, a sea man.

2. A Mary McNeill of New Lodge Road married John McCloskey on 14 June 1881 in St. Patrick's Belfast, her parents were given as Charles and Margaret McNeill, the witnesses were a Charles McNeill and what has been transcribed as Mary 'Golauche'.

3. A Charles McNeill, 22 years old of 18 Alexander Street, married Elizabeth O'Neill on 24 December 1881 in St. Patrick's Belfast, his father was given as Charles McNeill a sailor (deceased).

4. A James McNeil, 20 years old of Alexander Street, married Mary Devlin on 24 October 1882 in St. Patrick's Belfast, his parents were given as Charles and Margaret McNeil, Charles was given as a sea man (deceased) and a witness was transcribed as May 'Contanche'.

5. A Rose Ann McNeill, 22 years old of New Lodge Road, married John Devlin on 26 October 1891 in St. Patrick's Belfast, her parents were given as Charles and Margaret McNeil, Charles was given as a sea man.

Births / Baptisms

1. A Mary McNeill was baptised on 7 December 1856 in St. Patrick's Belfast, parents given as what looks like Charles (McNeill) and Margaret Keegan (left page, 6th entry up from bottom): http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633210#page/83/mode/1up
 
2. A James McNeil was baptised on 20 April 1862 in St. Patrick's Belfast, parents given as what looks like Charles (McNeil) and Margaret McKeagan (left page, 4th entry down from top): http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633210#page/203/mode/1up

3. A John McNeil was baptised on 2 January 1865 in St. Patrick's Belfast, parents given as what looks like Charles (McNeil) and Margaret McKeegan (left page, 8th entry up from bottom):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633210#page/251/mode/1up
The pertinent civil birth record confirms the address as 55 Andrew Street Belfast and that father Charles was a sailor:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03588/2322705.pdf

4. A Rosan McNeil was baptised on 26 May 1867 in St. Patrick's Belfast, parents given as what looks like Charles (McNeil) and Margaret McKeegan (left page, 7th entry up from bottom):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633210#page/301/mode/1up

5. A Kate McNeil was baptised on 20 June 1870 in St. Patrick's Belfast, parents transcribed as Charles McNeill and Margaret McKeegan, birth given as 7 June 1870, here is the pertinent civil birth record showing the address as 38 Andrew Street and father Charles as a sailor:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03338/2223473.pdf
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angie61

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 11:44:25 PM »
Thank you so much.
This is Mary's family at last,...so much has just fallen in to place.   Rose Ann Devlin was the name given as the person who took in my moms sister after their mother died.  I had no idea who she was and so many other of these names are looking familiar. I'm going to enjoy joining these dots.
Many thanks GMcG

angie61

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2017, 10:31:04 PM »

I've finally had chance to go through the information to found.  It must have taken ages, so much work there. I really appreciate you hero members. GMcM and Sam Barry always there to help. Will pass it on when I can. :-)

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Re: Mary McNeil 1859
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2020, 02:04:58 PM »
Angie61, Iíve just recently retired and have just started today looking back through old records.  As far as I can establish Rose Ann McNeill was my great grandmother, she was my grandmothers mother.