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gstaa5

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Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« on: February 16, 2017, 01:17:44 AM »

I am writing to you from Melbourne Australia. I am currently researching my family history on my Motherís side whom originate from Belfast.[size=78%] [/size]
I was going through my Grand Motherís possessions on the weekend and I came across an old suitcase of my Great Grand Mother Eliza Pragnell with a Belfast address inside. My Grand Mother said that was the address my Great Grand Mother lived before moving to Australia. I tried to search the address on Google Maps but the address could not be found. The street still exists but not the number.[size=78%] [/size]
Is anyone able to advise any information on what happened to 77 Mervue Street Belfast? I have no pictures of the house at all and this is the only information I have. Can you please help?[size=78%] [/size]
Thank you.




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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2017, 08:06:31 AM »
All you will see today, for example, using google maps / streetview, are modern houses, Mervue Street is long since redeveloped.

The following websites have Belfast street directories in which you can see the occupier of 77 Mervue Street over time, including one family called Galloway who lived there for several decades:

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/index.htm

http://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2017, 09:18:30 AM »
Don't know if the same person, but a 31 year old Mrs. E Pragnell and her two young daughters, both with the initial 'E' (one was 7 years old, the other 1 1/2), sailed for Melbourne from London on 18 July 1931, with their last address in the UK given as 59 Hillman Street Belfast.  The 1932 Belfast street directory shows a Mrs. Gordon living at that address and the street directories can be tracked back to this family living there at the time of the 1911 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Dock_Ward/Hillman_Street/137084/

The couple in the above 1911 census return married as widower William Gordon and widow Elizabeth Gawley in 1907 (she was nee Humphreys, her first husband was Andrew Gawley), William and Elizabeth had the two youngest children shown in the census return -  Agnes and James - while the older children were the offspring of Andrew and Elizabeth, for example, 12 year old Lizzie was registered as Eliza Gawley, born 17 July 1899 at 63 Upper Mervue Street to parents Andrew Gawley and Elizabeth Humphreys.


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2017, 09:35:29 AM »
From the various street directories:

1910: 77. Galloway, J., labourer
1918: 77. Galloway, J., labourer
1924: 77. Galloway, J., labourer
1932: 77. Galloway, J., labourer
1943: 75-81. Vacant (possibly damaged during the war?)
1951: 77. Gawley, Miss K.
1960: 77. Galway, Miss Meta

I wonder is there some 'morphing' of the surname going on (Gawley / Galloway / Galway)?


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2017, 10:02:44 AM »
Just throwing these out, in case they're connected...

Andrew Gawley and Elizabeth Humphreys and family in 1901 in Upper Mervue Street:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Mervue_Street_Upper/959184/

I can see internet references to an Elizabeth Pragnell death in 1981, address Heidelberg Victoria, the reference cites a birthdate 'abt 1899'.  Also this:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6Q7R-H5?mode=g&i=357&cc=1393345

And this:
AFTER 14 clear "days application will be made to the Supreme Court that Probate of the Will dated 27th February 1964 of ELIZABETH PRAGNELL formerly of 5 Frederick Street, Heidelberg but late of 137 Rosanna Road, Rosanna,- widow deceased be granted to ELIZABETH AMY MULLAVEY of 12 Grove Road. Rosanna, housewife and ADA ETHEL LYNN STEVENSON of 137 Rosanna Road, Rosanna, housewife the executrices appointed by the said Will. . A'LLAWAY & CO.. Solicitors. 20 Queen Street, Melbourne.

I can also see a 21 year old Miss Elizabeth Gawley, Irish, sailing to Brisbane from Southampton in 1921.

And an Ernest Alfred Pragnell, d. 1963, Heidelberg:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-672Q-65F?mode=g

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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2017, 10:19:21 AM »
Don't know if any of this is connected or not, but will do no harm to post.  Here is the marriage of Andrew Gawley and Eliza Humphreys in 1895, his father William Gawley (a carter), hers Thomas Humphreys (a labourer):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10532/5836290.pdf

Possible candidate for Andrew Gawley, born in 1873 to parents William Gawley (a carter) and Jane Ferguson:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03188/2169012.pdf

(On 27 April 1872, a 30 year old William Gawley and a 23 year old Jane Ferguson married in St. Anne's Church of Ireland Belfast, the fathers were recorded as William Gawley (labourer) and Robert Ferguson (weaver))


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2017, 10:26:51 AM »
Possible candidate for Elizabeth Humphreys who married Andrew Gawley (then William Gordon), born in 1876 to Thomas Humphreys (a labourer) and Eliza Reynolds:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03072/2126043.pdf

(Thomas Humphryes and Elizabeth Reynolds of Ballymacarrett married in St. Patrick's Church of Ireland on 12 April 1873, the fathers were recorded as John Humphreys (a gardener) and William Reynolds (a carter))


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2017, 02:06:58 PM »
CMcg aren't you lovely to do all that research :-*
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2017, 02:16:49 PM »

CMcg aren't you lovely to do all that research :-*


Keeps me off the streets and out of mischief belle and even if the information I've posted is wrong / not relevant in this case, at least it might help someone else reading this topic in the future, maybe even long after I've croaked!  :D 


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2017, 05:19:47 PM »
Keeps me off the streets and out of mischief belle and even if the information I've posted is wrong / not relevant in this case, at least it might help someone else reading this topic in the future, maybe even long after I've croaked!  :D

Well it's good of you.  :-*
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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2017, 12:26:02 PM »
CMcG.....you are a gem. I can not thank you enough for the above information. All of what you have listed is my family and the 2yo you mention is my Grand Mother :-) i have shown my Grand Mother this information and the look on her face said it all. .THANK YOU!!!

Now the next project is like trying to find a needle in a haystack and try find some photos of the Hillman St and Mervue St during that time.

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2017, 10:39:37 PM »
Don't know if the same person, but a 31 year old Mrs. E Pragnell and her two young daughters, both with the initial 'E' (one was 7 years old, the other 1 1/2), sailed for Melbourne from London on 18 July 1931, with their last address in the UK given as 59 Hillman Street Belfast.  The 1932 Belfast street directory shows a Mrs. Gordon living at that address and the street directories can be tracked back to this family living there at the time of the 1911 census:

The couple in the above 1911 census return married as widower William Gordon and widow Elizabeth Gawley in 1907 (she was nee Humphreys, her first husband was Andrew Gawley), William and Elizabeth had the two youngest children shown in the census return -  Agnes and James - while the older children were the offspring of Andrew and Elizabeth, for example, 12 year old Lizzie was registered as Eliza Gawley, born 17 July 1899 at 63 Upper Mervue Street to parents Andrew Gawley and Elizabeth Humphreys.

This information is incredible. I opened up the link and found some very valubale information. I do want to ask though....you mentioned that a 31 year old Mrs. E Pragnell and her two young daughters, both with the initial 'E' (one was 7 years old, the other 1 1/2), sailed for Melbourne from London on 18 July 1931, with their last address in the UK given as 59 Hillman Street Belfast. Where did you fine this information? I can not see where that is. The 1 1/2 you mention is my Grand Mother :-)[/size]

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2017, 11:45:18 PM »

... Where did you fine this information? ...


It is from the record of UK outward passenger lists on the subscription website 'Ancestry.com', the ship was the 'Ormonde'.


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2017, 11:56:44 PM »
It is from the record of UK outward passenger lists on the subscription website 'Ancestry.com', the ship was the 'Ormonde'.

You don't happen to have a screenshot or image of the page you could send through do you?

Thanks again for all your help. My Grand Mother is going to be so delighted with all this information.


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2017, 12:07:25 AM »
Hello
My grandfather lived at 77mervue st.his name was Alexander (sandy).he married my grandmother (nora Marshall)
56mervue st.they moved to glenrosa st. they lived there for years
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