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gstaa5

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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2017, 12:09:01 AM »
Hello
My grandfather lived at 77mervue st.his name was Alexander (sandy).he married my grandmother (nora Marshall)
56mervue st.they moved to glenrosa st. they lived there for years
Dendar

What year was this Dendar? Do you have any old pictures of the Mervue Street house?
Thanks. Glenn.

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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2017, 12:17:44 AM »
The info was gleaned from the 1911 census.my grandfather was 23at the time and my grandmother was 11
I don't know the year of their marriage or when they left mervue st. my grandfather died while living at glenrosa st.
Dendar

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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2017, 12:22:21 AM »




gstaa5

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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2017, 12:27:42 AM »

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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2017, 08:16:22 AM »
Back to Andrew and Elizabeth (Humphreys) Gawley who got married in 1895 (reply #5) and were shown with their children William, Thomas and Elizabeth living in Upper Mervue Street in the 1901 census (reply #4)...

Andrew died at 63 Upper Mervue street 6 months after the 1901 census:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05713/4611823.pdf 

As mentioned, Elizabeth (Humphreys) Gawley subsequently went on to marry William Gordon in 1907, here is the registration:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10104/5676236.pdf

1st husband Andrew Gawley was buried in grave G1 28 of Belfast City Cemetery:
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=G1&GraveNumber=28&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery

As you can see, also in the same grave are:
- Thomas Gawley, Andrew and Elizabeth's son who died in 1907 about 8 months before Elizabeth married 2nd husband William Gordon, which explains Thomas' absence in the 1911 census return for William and Elizabeth (Humphreys Gawley) Gordon;
- Elizabeth's 2nd husband William Gordon himself, his address at the time of death in 1917 was 59 Hillman Street.


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2017, 08:39:01 AM »

The info was gleaned from the 1911 census.my grandfather was 23at the time and my grandmother was 11
I don't know the year of their marriage or when they left mervue st. my grandfather died while living at glenrosa st.
Dendar


Alexander Gallaway married Nora Marshall in Holy Trinity Church of Ireland on New Years Day 1917, he was living at 48 Osborne Street by that point:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09734/5531770.pdf


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2017, 09:23:01 AM »

Alexander Gallaway married Nora Marshall in Holy Trinity Church of Ireland on New Years Day 1917, he was living at 48 Osborne Street by that point:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09734/5531770.pdf


Again, interesting the way that the name morphs, he was Alexander Galloway in the 1911 census and his will was registered under Galloway...
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Mervue_St/141655/

Galloway, Alexander Leckey of 35 Glenrosa Street Belfast retired labourer died 5 January 1965 at City Hospital Belfast Probate Belfast 3 February to Dennis Rose Caruth and Anthony Frederick Allen solicitors. Effects 951 15s.

But his birth was registered as Galway:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02574/1951593.pdf


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2017, 11:18:45 AM »
There is a 1916 connection between the various Gawleys and Galloways / Galways, if indeed they aren't already connected further back.  To recap...

The 1961 address on the suitcase that kicked off this topic was 77 Mervue Street and the various street directories from 1960 backwards (posted at reply #3) track back to a family in the 1911 census (1911 census link posted at reply #21) comprising John Galloway (a labourer) and Martha (Harkin) Galloway with some of their children - Alexander (the grandfather of forum member 'dendar'), Mary (note 18 year old Mary for later), John and Agnes, all living at 77 Mervue Street.

The marriage record for Andrew Gawley who married Elizabeth Humphreys in 1895 said that Andrew's father was William Gawley (a carter) and possible parents were identified as William Gawley and Jane Ferguson (posted at reply #5).  Various records confirm that the following folk were William Gawley (a carter) and Jane Ferguson in the 1901 census (note 12 year old son John for later):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Collyer_Street/957417/

Widower William Gawley (a carter) and family in 1911 (note 22 year old son John again):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Collyer_Street/139978/

Street directories confirm that William Gawley and family were living in no. 87 Collyer Street in both the 1901 and 1911 census returns (BTW, note that the 1901 directory listed him as William Galloway, the 1911 directory as William Gawley, there's the name morphing again).   

Here's the connection, the following marriage took place on 16 October 1916 in Holy Trinity Church of Ireland, Belfast, between 28 year old John Gawley of 87 Collyer Street (father William, a carter) and 24 year old Mary Galloway of 77 Mervue Street (father John, a labourer):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09792/5554583.pdf

The witnesses were the grandparents of forum member 'dendar', namely Alexander Galloway and Nora Marshall who got married the following year (posted at reply #20).

As I said, there may also be connections further back, but at the very least, the uncle of Elizabeth Gawley born in 1899 (ie. her father Andrew's younger brother John) married into the Galloways of 77 Mervue Street in 1916.


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2017, 01:53:39 AM »
There is a 1916 connection between the various Gawleys and Galloways / Galways, if indeed they aren't already connected further back.  To recap...

The 1961 address on the suitcase that kicked off this topic was 77 Mervue Street and the various street directories from 1960 backwards (posted at reply #3) track back to a family in the 1911 census (1911 census link posted at reply #21) comprising John Galloway (a labourer) and Martha (Harkin) Galloway with some of their children - Alexander (the grandfather of forum member 'dendar'), Mary (note 18 year old Mary for later), John and Agnes, all living at 77 Mervue Street.

The marriage record for Andrew Gawley who married Elizabeth Humphreys in 1895 said that Andrew's father was William Gawley (a carter) and possible parents were identified as William Gawley and Jane Ferguson (posted at reply #5).  Various records confirm that the following folk were William Gawley (a carter) and Jane Ferguson in the 1901 census (note 12 year old son John for later):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Collyer_Street/957417/

Widower William Gawley (a carter) and family in 1911 (note 22 year old son John again):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Collyer_Street/139978/

Street directories confirm that William Gawley and family were living in no. 87 Collyer Street in both the 1901 and 1911 census returns (BTW, note that the 1901 directory listed him as William Galloway, the 1911 directory as William Gawley, there's the name morphing again).   

Here's the connection, the following marriage took place on 16 October 1916 in Holy Trinity Church of Ireland, Belfast, between 28 year old John Gawley of 87 Collyer Street (father William, a carter) and 24 year old Mary Galloway of 77 Mervue Street (father John, a labourer):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09792/5554583.pdf

The witnesses were the grandparents of forum member 'dendar', namely Alexander Galloway and Nora Marshall who got married the following year (posted at reply #20).

As I said, there may also be connections further back, but at the very least, the uncle of Elizabeth Gawley born in 1899 (ie. her father Andrew's younger brother John) married into the Galloways of 77 Mervue Street in 1916.

So in some way which i am quite confused, forum member "Dender" and I are related?

This information is incredible.

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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2017, 08:13:39 AM »
It looks like you are connected through marriage. There were two families involved here: (1) The Gawleys; and (2) The Galloways - given the amount of 'morphing' going on around the surnames, I can't rule out a connection between the two families before the 1916 marriage, whether that will ever be determined is another matter, but for now, the 1916 marriage is the known connection:

(1) The Gawleys

William Gawley and Jane Ferguson had a son Andrew Gawley who went on to marry Elizabeth Humphreys in 1895 (who in turn had a daughter Eliza Gawley in 1899 who later became Eliza Pragnell). William Gawley and Jane Ferguson also had a son John Gawley who went on to marry Mary Galloway of 77 Mervue Street in 1916, here was that son John Gawley in the family home at 87 Collyer Street in the 1901 & 1911 censuses:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Collyer_Street/957417/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Collyer_Street/139978/
     
(2) The Galloways

John Galloway and Martha Harkin had a daughter Mary Galloway who went on to marry John Gawley of 87 Collyer Street in 1916, Mary Galloway had a brother Alexander Galloway who was Dendar's grandfather, here was that daughter Mary Galloway in the family home at 77 Mervue Street in the 1901 & 1911 censuses:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Marvue_Street/959043/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Mervue_St/141655/

So if I'm working this out correctly, it looks like Dendar's great aunt Mary Galloway (sister of Dendar's grandfather Alexander Galloway) married your great great great uncle John Gawley (brother of your great great grandfather Andrew Gawley and uncle of your great grandmother Eliza Gawley Pragnell born 1899).


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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2017, 11:49:18 AM »
Think the girl means upper Mervue st anyone able to help ???
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Re: Mervue Street Belfast - 1950's/1960's
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2019, 11:56:55 AM »
Hi
My name is Jean Boyle  (was Caldwell)I lived in 77 Mervue St until I married. My mum had a cousin who I knew and visited us from Australia she was called Cis Pragnel. She had two daughters and a granddaughter Mandy and a grandson Paul her two daughters were Betty and Ethel and a son called John. Cis came home to Belfast in 1969 for my wedding. She sent parcels  to my mum Kathleen and her sister Meta Gawley who lived together at 77 Mervue St. I would love to hear from her relations. I wrote to Mandy when her grandmother died but didn't get a reply. I have photos of Cis from a long time ago.
Thanks Jean