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James James

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Re: Internees 1938-1946
« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2017, 12:25:33 PM »
CMcG mentioned Philip Kinaird born in 1908.

There was no such birth in 1908 in England or Wales for a similar name combination near that time,... however,... there was a death in the Hampstead Registration District in London in 1968 for Phillip Kinnaird born 1909, the death records for which are now administered by Camden Registration District.

http://camden.gov.uk/theme/camden-bremen/ccm/content/contacts/council-contacts/community-and-living/contact-register-office-services/

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Re: Internees 1938-1946
« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2017, 01:55:27 PM »
Thanks James. That is probably our man who died in London. He appeared in the 1911 census in Belfast aged 2. CmG was referring to a birth on the Irishgenealogy website for an unnamed male Kinnaird born in Belfast in 1908.

James James

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Re: Internees 1938-1946
« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2017, 02:42:22 PM »
Well yes, that sounds fairly possible, and there can also sometimes be slight mismatches between birth and death record dates,... and even that surname wasn't very common in Ireland at that time, and on the mainland there were only about four births for that name combination, and none of them matched that birth year,... and as I think that CMcG was probably implying, there might have been some unusual aspect to his birth circumstances and records, because there doesn't seem to be an exact birth record match for him in Ireland, although that Irish birth registration site does have a lot of errors and omissions in it. An adoption perhaps. ? Either official or unofficial.

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« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2017, 03:27:13 PM »
The Kinnaird baby was born 9 September 1908 to Joseph Kinnaird and Mary Newell in the Union Workhouse at 51 Lisburn Rd. The couple were married in 1905. However in the 1911 census Philip's mother is named as Sarah. So we cannot be sure if the baby born 1908 is the one in the census

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Re: Internees 1938-1946
« Reply #64 on: November 23, 2017, 10:27:36 AM »
My unclear william watson was interred in crumlin road from a prison ship and was involved in the escape over the walls

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« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2017, 11:52:19 AM »
I have quite a lot of info on William Watson up to the time of his rearrest in 1942. I would appreciate anything on his later life, what he did for a living, did he remain active in the IRA, when did he die, etc.
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Re: Internees 1938-1946
« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2018, 01:20:45 PM »
My Grandfather Edward Andrews was also interned between 1938-1945 on the Al Rawdah and Crumlin Rd Prison.  He was married with five children at the time and my grandmother done her best to rear the children on her own (no welfare system in those days).  This caused great hardship and my father often told me that they went without food often but were helped by some of their neighbours in the Whiterock area.

Some years ago while researching our family tree we approached PRONI and asked to see any records relating to our Grandfather.  We had previously seen photos and other information at an exhibition in St Mary's College on the Falls Rd during the West Belfast Feile.  We were told that a judge would have to authorize the viewing of the records and we were anticipating receiving some precious information relating to our family history.  Sadly we received a copy of his tuck shop record showing that 5 had been deposited by his sister. 

However I intend to return to PRONI in the near future to see if any more records have turned up.  I would advise others to do the same.

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Re: Internees 1938-1946
« Reply #67 on: February 05, 2018, 02:59:02 PM »
Many thanks for your reply. First, what we have on Edward Andrews. He was 34 when first detained and worked as a kitchen porter. He was detained on 18 July 1940 and interned 8 August 1940 in Belfast Prison. He was transferred to the prison ship Al Rawdah in September. The Al Rawdah was finally closed down in early February 1941 and the last internees were moved back to Crumlin Rd. The de-commissioning of the ship started the previous October and men were transferred in batches to Belfast. Edward was finally released to the RUC for bail 11 March 1944.

Any further info you have on Edward would be greatly appreciated, also would there be a photo?

You way wish to contact me direct at [email protected]. Regards, Patrick Flanagan 

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Re: Internees 1938-1946
« Reply #68 on: July 28, 2020, 10:45:31 AM »
Phil Kinnaird did marry Isabella Braiden they are my grandparents

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Re: Internees 1938-1946
« Reply #69 on: July 28, 2020, 02:37:38 PM »
My uncle william watson was interred in crumlin road from a prison ship and was involved in the escape over the walls

https://treasonfelony.wordpress.com/2015/08/06/the-5-escapers-june-1941/

"The 5 Escapers: June 1941"


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Re: Internees 1938-1946
« Reply #70 on: July 28, 2020, 05:45:12 PM »
Anybody out there have any further info on Phil Kinnaird, an internee on the Al Rawdah in 1940?

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« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2020, 09:09:09 AM »
Does anyone have any info on my grandad Phil Kinnaird I know he was born in Belfast but he passed away before I was born

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Re: Internees 1938-1946
« Reply #72 on: July 29, 2020, 10:05:42 AM »
Gayle, if you email privately at [email protected], I will give you what I have on Philip.Regards, Patrick Flanagan.