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brendariani

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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2017, 11:27:00 AM »
There was a family *rumour* that Joseph Cairns wss actually Joseph Crossey who took over the identity of Joseph Cairns when he died as he had wanted back in to the army after he (Joseph Crossey) had desserted. Could this be possible?

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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2017, 01:27:14 PM »
Would it be possible to find a death record for Joseph Cairns and Margaret Sweeney?


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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2017, 08:55:24 AM »

... How can I find great grandparents on the cairns side also Seeeney?


All there is to go on regarding Margaret Sweeney is her 1914 marriage record to Joseph Cairns in which she signed herself as Margaret Ann Sweeney, of full age, a spinster working in a factory, living in Wellington Street, father Neal Sweeney a cattle dealer.

The closest fit I can see is a Margaret Anne Sweeney born on 22 February 1887 to parents Neil Sweeney and Catherine McCafferty of Letterkenny, father Neil's occupation was recorded as 'Cattle Dealer':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02571/1950630.pdf

That would tie in with this person in the 1911 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__4_/Lesky_Road/603466/

And this person in the 1901 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Letterkenny_Rural/Sallaghagrane/1188261/

The two siblings of Margaret shown in the above 1901 census return are consistent in pointing back to parents Neil Sweeney and Catherine McCafferty of Letterkenny:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02816/2033177.pdf (Neil)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02885/2057164.pdf (Ellen)

There was also see a son James born to Neil Sweeney and Catherine McCafferty of Letterkenny in 1885:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02658/1979965.pdf

Neal Sweeney married Catherine McCafferty on 17 February 1879.  He was recorded as a 33 year old widower, a labourer from Letterkenny, the son of Alexander Sweeney a farmer. She was recorded as a 32 year old spinster, a labourer from Letterkenny, the daughter of James McCafferty a farmer. Alexander and Jane Sweeney were witnesses to the marriage. 


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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2017, 10:23:00 AM »
Absolutely delighted you have found all this. Thank you so much for your time. My husband is speechless having known nothing at all. 😀

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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2017, 06:52:45 PM »
Hi, I was wondering if you could find information on Mary Byrne born 2nd or 3rd Dec 1927 in Ballyshannon I think. Might be Galway not absolutely sure. Her father was Thomas Byrne. Siblings Ann, Nora, Briege, Sean. Possibly more siblings. They moved to Birmingham at some point.


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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2017, 07:12:44 AM »
Too recent to gain much if any traction online, official sources operate on the basis of only providing access to births over 100 years old.  By the sound of it, location is up in the air as well and the only Ballyshannon I know is in Donegal. And the name Byrne is very common, even with Thomas as a forename. For what it's worth, the marriage of a Thomas Byrne and Mary Darcy in Bundoran was registered at Ballyshannon and a possible matching couple had the birth of a daughter Nora registered at Ballyshannon in 1937:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09154/5310543.pdf

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F146-C4K




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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2017, 11:27:37 AM »
Yes, this is them. Thank you very much. Is it possible to find anything else on the family?

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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2017, 12:14:19 PM »
I can't make out the residence of Thomas Byrne at time of marriage. Would you happen to know please?

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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2017, 12:55:15 PM »

Yes, this is them. Thank you very much. Is it possible to find anything else on the family?


Going forwards is difficult, your best chance may come from someone reading your post at reply #19 who knows or is related to the family.  Going backwards on Thomas Byrne is awkward enough too, for there is so little information to go in using just the 1924 marriage record, no specific age (just 'full') and his address of Finner is most probably his military address rather than home address (ie. Finner military camp near Bundoran).  His father John Byrne being a shoemaker is really all there is to go on. 

There was Thomas Byrne born on 17 June 1897 to a shoemaker called John Byrne and Bridget McShane, but that was about 50 miles up the coast at Ummerawirrinan, that reads across to the following couple married in 1893 and living in Ummerawirrinan in the 1901 and 1911 censuses: 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10598/5860588.pdf

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Glencolmbkille/Ummerawirrinan/1175806/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Glencolumbkille/Ummerawirrinan/486389/

But unless any of this rings a bell for you, I'm afraid that it's just pure speculation and the Thomas Byrne who married Mary Darcy in 1924 could have blown in from anywhere.




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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2017, 01:00:06 PM »

I can't make out the residence of Thomas Byrne at time of marriage. Would you happen to know please?


Finner.



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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2017, 01:21:25 PM »
A possibility for Mary Darcy is the one born in 1902 to Hugh Darcy and Mary Ferguson of Westport, here is that couple with Mary's older siblings in 1901 and Mary's 1902 birth registration:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Ballyshannon_Urban/Carrickboy/1165795/

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01900/1737535.pdf

And the family in 1911, mistranscribed as 'Davy':

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Bundoran/Dunmuckrum/477144/



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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2017, 01:35:34 PM »
If definitely seems  like them. Thank you very much for this information. My husbands mother is Mary byrne born Dec 1927 to Thomas Byrne and Mary Darcy. She went on to marry Edward Cairns from Clondara street Belfast. We did not have anything else to go on so we are grateful.

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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2017, 01:52:21 PM »
There's a Catholic parish (Innismacsaint) record for a baptism on 24th August 1874 for Hugh Darcy, showing his parents as Patrick Darcy and Honora Gilroy and annotated to say that Hugh went on to marry Mary Ferguson in what looks like St. Saviours Govan (Glasgow) in 1898.  Which relates to this civil record of birth:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03137/2150260.pdf 

Just an offchance that this (below) is Hugh Darcy buried locally, his 1937 death record shows a son Michael as the informant, Hugh Darcy and Mary Ferguson had several more children after those you can see in the 1911 census, one was a son Michael in 1919:

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=169457185&ref=acom

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1937/04784/4284500.pdf

This would appear to be Hugh Darcy's parents in 1901, also a birth registration for their son (Hugh's younger brother) Joseph:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Ballyshannon_Urban/West_Port/1165943/

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02603/1961176.pdf   



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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2017, 02:13:21 PM »
Don't know how much of this (below) is accurate, but most of it is about the same family (someone found the Scottish marriage for Hugh Darcy & Mary Ferguson under the surname Dawson rather than Darcy):

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1316786

Also this:

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1253832


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Re: Cairns family Clandara Street
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2017, 02:14:27 PM »
Think I found the grave (including photo), looks like the 1937 Hugh Darcy death was correct, but just read the other names:

Thomas Byrne died November 1976 aged 79

Mary Byrne died May 1976 aged 74

Mary Darcy from West Port died March 1955 aged 74

Hugh Darcy from West Port died June 1937 aged 63

Kathleen Cairns died March 1954

Michael Darcy died December 1978 aged 59

http://irishgraveyards.ie/plot.php?plotno=251&yardid=233&section=A