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Re: Northern Ireland's future at risk without post-Brexit customs deal, says Hain
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2017, 06:31:06 PM »
Don't think too many people will take notice of what some obscure Belgian salami spewer says. We need to get on with it and get out of it, for future generations sake.

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Re: EU willing to offer Northern Ireland a different Brexit deal to rest of U.K.
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2017, 06:33:20 PM »


"Wednesday 20th September 2017 "

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/20/northern-ireland-stay-customs-union-after-brexit-verhofstadt

"Northern Ireland could stay in customs union after Brexit – Verhofstadt"

"European parliament negotiator says Irish border solution is needed before talks can progress, as unionists oppose special status"

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Northern Ireland could continue to be in the single market or customs union after the UK leaves the EU, the European parliament’s Brexit negotiator has said.

But Guy Verhofstadt’s proposal for special status for the region was met with immediate opposition from unionists who said they would never accept any deal that made Northern Ireland different from the rest of the UK.

On a two-day visit to Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic, Verhofstadt stressed it was up to the UK to come up with a solution in order to prevent a tariff- and customs-based militarised “hard border” on the island.

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Re: EU willing to offer Northern Ireland a different Brexit deal to rest of U.K.
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2017, 03:51:35 AM »
"5 hours ago"

"Brexit: European Parliament to propose Northern Ireland stays in single market"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-border-guy-verhofstadt-single-market-customs-union-european-parliament-a7972596.html

"The move, which would involve customs checks taking place at ports on the Irish sea, has the support of all major political groups"

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The European Parliament is to call for Northern Ireland to stay in the single market and customs union in order to protect the integrity of the EU’s borders.

MEPs have concluded it is the best solution to the problem of ensuring there is no border in Ireland. The move has the support of all major political groups.

It would mean continued free movement on the island of Ireland, with customs checks instead taking place at ports on the Irish sea for visitors travelling between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The resolution, set to be voted on hours before Theresa May’s make-or-break Tory conference speech, rubbishes Britain’s existing proposals on the issue and is set to enrage DUP MPs propping up Ms May’s Government.

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Re: Northern Ireland's future at risk without post-Brexit customs deal, says Hain
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2017, 03:53:46 AM »
"5 hours ago"

"Brexit: European Parliament to propose Northern Ireland stays in single market"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-border-guy-verhofstadt-single-market-customs-union-european-parliament-a7972596.html

"The move, which would involve customs checks taking place at ports on the Irish sea, has the support of all major political groups"

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The European Parliament is to call for Northern Ireland to stay in the single market and customs union in order to protect the integrity of the EU’s borders.

MEPs have concluded it is the best solution to the problem of ensuring there is no border in Ireland. The move has the support of all major political groups.

It would mean continued free movement on the island of Ireland, with customs checks instead taking place at ports on the Irish sea for visitors travelling between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The resolution, set to be voted on hours before Theresa May’s make-or-break Tory conference speech, rubbishes Britain’s existing proposals on the issue and is set to enrage DUP MPs propping up Ms May’s Government.

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Re: Northern Ireland's future at risk without post-Brexit customs deal, says Hain
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2017, 05:52:35 AM »
The latest nonsense from the EU...thank God we are leaving.          
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Re: EU willing to offer Northern Ireland a different Brexit deal to rest of U.K.
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2017, 05:54:07 AM »
The latest nonsense from the EU. .thank God we are leaving.          
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Re: Northern Ireland's future at risk without post-Brexit customs deal, says Hain
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2017, 12:43:06 PM »
This has already been rejected by HM Government, no story here lol  :D. .so lets move on.  :)
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Re: EU willing to offer Northern Ireland a different Brexit deal to rest of U.K.
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2017, 12:45:09 PM »
This has already been rejected by HM Government, no story here lol  :D.....so lets move on.  :)
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Re: EU willing to offer Northern Ireland a different Brexit deal to rest of U.K.
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2017, 04:03:55 AM »
The real point being, that it's not what the British Government wants or doesn't want that is the most significant and relevant issue about the Irish border arrangements.

It's what the E.U. is prepared to accept and agree to that is the most important issue,... and that will be decided by the E.U.... and not by the British Government.

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Re: Northern Ireland's future at risk without post-Brexit customs deal, says Hain
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2017, 04:05:23 AM »
The real point being, that it's not what the British Government wants or doesn't want that is the most significant and relevant issue about the Irish border arrangements.

It's what the E.U. is prepared to accept and agree to that is the most important issue,... and that will be decided by the E.U.... and not by the British Government.

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Re: Northern Ireland's future at risk without post-Brexit customs deal, says Hain
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2017, 09:55:34 AM »
This has already been rejected by HM Government, no story here lol  :D  ..so lets move on.  :)

At the end of the day the UK can simply walk away.  :)
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Re: EU willing to offer Northern Ireland a different Brexit deal to rest of U.K.
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2017, 09:56:32 AM »
This has already been rejected by HM Government, no story here lol  :D  .so lets move on.  :)

At the end of the day the UK can simply walk away.  :)
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Re: Northern Ireland's future at risk without post-Brexit customs deal, says Hain
« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2017, 10:08:21 AM »
The real point being, that it's not what the British Government wants or doesn't want that is the most significant and relevant issue about the Irish border arrangements.

It's what the E.U. is prepared to accept and agree to that is the most important issue,... and that will be decided by the E.U.... and not by the British Government.

I'm so glad some-else thinks this. I have thought it for a long time.  You have to listen to the underlying content of what’s being said.
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When the issues are looked at in a non partisan and realistic way, by people who really do understand them, there's very little doubt left, that any form of breaksit is very likely to be very seriously economically damaging, and also societally damaging, not only for the U.K., but potentially even more so for Ireland,... and there is virtually no doubt at all, that the most damaging form of breaksit,... would be one in which the U.K. failed to negotiate a trade deal with the E.U..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2017/09/30/there-are-no-winners-from-brexit-only-losers-say-university-researchers/#113729f16aef

So just walking away from the E.U. without a deal,... would be merely a recipe for converting a damaging crisis into an even costlier disaster.

The only real chance to avoid the damaging consequences of breaksit,... would be to hold the future second breaksit referendum which many campaigners are increasingly demanding, and which has much support from the public,... because if a second referendum is held, there is almost no chance of it's result being even close to voting to leave the E.U..

People have started to become informed about the realities of breaksit, and it's likely damaging consequences,... but they're being denied the same, but better informed, "democratic right" to express their present and future views about breaksit, as they were granted to express their views about the unknown, and at the time, unknowable, nature of breaksit.