Author Topic: Northern Ireland's future at risk without post-Brexit customs deal, says Hain  (Read 78676 times)

James James

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Indeed it could,... if it wants to adopt an ineffective and extremely damaging simplistic solution, to a very complex and serious problem of it's own creation.

Even if it did that,... it would just create even more new problems,... because the U.K. would then have to start to try to create new trading agreements with every country in the world with which it trades.

When the issues are looked at in a non partisan and realistic way, by people who really do understand them, there's very little doubt left, that any form of breaksit is very likely to be very seriously economically damaging, and also societally damaging, not only for the U.K., but potentially even more so for Ireland,... and there is virtually no doubt at all, that the most damaging form of breaksit,... would be one in which the U.K. failed to negotiate a trade deal with the E.U..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2017/09/30/there-are-no-winners-from-brexit-only-losers-say-university-researchers/#113729f16aef

So just walking away from the E.U. without a deal,... would be merely a recipe for converting a damaging crisis into an even costlier disaster.

The only real chance to avoid the damaging consequences of breaksit,... would be to hold the future second breaksit referendum which many campaigners are increasingly demanding, and which has much support from the public,... because if a second referendum is held, there is almost no chance of it's result being even close to voting to leave the E.U..

People have started to become informed about the realities of breaksit, and it's likely damaging consequences,... but they're being denied the same, but better informed, "democratic right" to express their present and future views about breaksit, as they were granted to express their views about the unknown, and at the time, unknowable, nature of breaksit.

James James

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At the moment, the E.U. is preparing to offer to offer Ulster a substantial subsidy to retain it's existing trading arrangements with the E.U., and it's prepared to offer more than Arlene's British Government bride was worth.

         


"1 October 2017"

"New deal for Northern Ireland to stay in European single market promises more cash and closer ties to Republic"

"Sinn Fein is said to be delighted with the European move, pushed forward by SF MEP Martina Anderson in backroom meetings in Brussels"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/new-deal-northern-ireland-stay-11271906

"Northern Ireland could stay in the single market and customs union in a Sinn Fein deal being brokered with the EU in the battle over Brexit."

"The motion is expected to be passed in Brussels this week to coincide with a promise of substantial funding understood to top the 1.2billion offered to DUP chief Arlene Foster by the British Government."

"Sinn Fein is said to be delighted with the European move, pushed forward by SF MEP Martina Anderson in backroom meetings in Brussels."

"The retention of Northern Ireland in the single market and the customs union would ensure the Northern population would be closer to the 4.7 million population of the Republic of Ireland than it has been since partition."

Etcetera...

James James

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At the moment, the E.U. is preparing to offer to offer Ulster a substantial subsidy to retain it's existing trading arrangements with the E.U., and it's prepared to offer more than Arlene's British Government bride was worth.

         


"1 October 2017"

"New deal for Northern Ireland to stay in European single market promises more cash and closer ties to Republic"

"Sinn Fein is said to be delighted with the European move, pushed forward by SF MEP Martina Anderson in backroom meetings in Brussels"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/new-deal-northern-ireland-stay-11271906

"Northern Ireland could stay in the single market and customs union in a Sinn Fein deal being brokered with the EU in the battle over Brexit."

"The motion is expected to be passed in Brussels this week to coincide with a promise of substantial funding understood to top the 1.2billion offered to DUP chief Arlene Foster by the British Government."

"Sinn Fein is said to be delighted with the European move, pushed forward by SF MEP Martina Anderson in backroom meetings in Brussels."

"The retention of Northern Ireland in the single market and the customs union would ensure the Northern population would be closer to the 4.7 million population of the Republic of Ireland than it has been since partition."

Etcetera...

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We leave the EU as a united UK  :)
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 :)  I know a song about that jack.   https://tinyurl.com/my82j53

No doubt about it though jack/jacks,... your promised land does have a reasonable chance of being created.  https://tinyurl.com/hyfm6d9


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We leave the EU as a united UK  :)

Indeed we will. Wee Nicola has already been to the EU to try and do a deal and was sent packing.        
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Justice for all the innocent/ unarmed People who were
Gunned down by the British Soldiers,
For no other reason then their religion,were murdered.

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Great example of British efficiency,... or rather lack of it. Appallingly inadequate security.

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Indeed we will. Wee Nicola has already been to the EU to try and do a deal and was sent packing.

SF was much more successful in that regional negotiating regard of course.

Well of course, unlike Ulster, Scotland doesn't share a border with another non U.K. country.

Nor has Scotland experienced a recent and prolonged civil war which was very much related to border issues.

Perhaps she may be more successful with the British Government, and unlike the main local Ulster political party, the Scottish politicians seem to feel that the U.K. regions should have a role and an input into negotiating a U.K. breaksit deal with the E.U., and should be consulted by the British Government about breaksit negotiations, and about regional breaksit matters in particular, as promised by the P.M.,... and the PM appears to share that view.

"28 September 2017"

"May to have Brexit talks with Sturgeon"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41426629

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Theresa May has said she will speak to Scotland's first minister in a bid to end the Brexit deadlock between the two governments.

The Scottish government has accused the UK government of using Brexit as an excuse for a "power grab" on the devolved parliaments.

And it has said it cannot back the prime minister's Brexit bill without changes being made.
Mrs May said she will have talks with Nicola Sturgeon on the issue.

Etcetera...

My note,... in comparison, Arlene's recent statements suggest that she is willing and content  to accept any breaksit arrangements that affect Ulster,... if those arrangements are acceptable to the British P.M.,... whoever that might be at the time of their creation of course.



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We British voted as a United Kingdom and will leave the EU as a United Kingdom. Sorry, but the 'big bad bogeyman' of Brexit will happen.  :)
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We British voted as a United Kingdom and will leave the EU as a United Kingdom. Sorry, but the 'big bad bogeyman' of Brexit will happen:)
It may indeed jacks,... if national common sense and good judgement aren't given a chance to prevail, by a democratic vote of the electorate, but this time, by an informed democratic vote.

Don't forget too jacks, that strictly speaking, "we British", doesn't include we Irish, hence Great Britain and Northern Ireland,... and of course, when the kingdom was very slightly united in voting for something that they didn't know the nature of, Northern Ireland wasn't a part of that almost, united choice.

Anyway, never mind too much about facts jacks, because as I'm sure that you're already aware, they only get in the way of hopes over likely expectations.

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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/ecb-asks-banks-to-set-aside-more-cash-for-bad-debt-amid-%e2%82%ac1tn-problem/ar-AAsSMpK?li=AA54rU&ocid=mailsignout

The reality.
Indeed jacks, or at least part of it,... and there certainly were and are parts of the operation and functioning of the E.U. that did and do need to be seriously examined and amended,... and pre breaksit, the U.K was in a hugely strong and influential position to have played a major role in that process,... but when did any U.K. Government ever attempt to seriously and directly challenge and address any of the real issues of the E.U. that needed to be rectified.

A national sulking fit won't achieve any of that,... and if the E.U. develops any serious financial problems, the U.K. won't be immune from the fallout from that, whether it's still a part of the E.U. or not, but if it isn't still a part of the E.U., it will have very little chance of influencing how the issue is dealt with.

Bear in mind too, that the 2008 financial crash, which was mentioned in that article as being a significant contributor to those problems, was caused by American financial mismanagement, and who is it with whom the U.K. wants to create closer economic ties as a consequence of breaksit.?

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http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/ecb-asks-banks-to-set-aside-more-cash-for-bad-debt-amid-%e2%82%ac1tn-problem/ar-AAsSMpK?li=AA54rU&ocid=mailsignout

The reality.          

A stark reality indeed. Heading for disaster. One good thing about the last labour government much to their credit was keeping the UK out of the euro. Total disaster would have ensued.  ;)
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A stark reality indeed. Heading for disaster. One good thing about the last labour government much to their credit was keeping the UK out of the euro. Total disaster would have ensued.  ;)

A stark reality it is. The EU is finished and once the UK shows the way to exit, others may well follow.          I agree it was the best feature of the last labour government to keep the UK out of the euro. Labour`s finest hour by a mile.  ;)
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