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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #480 on: May 14, 2019, 12:32:38 AM »


Not exactly the publicity the Rugby League needs,

Belfast flight delayed after rugby player accused of 'sexual harassment'

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/belfast-flight-delayed-after-rugby-player-accused-of-sexual-harassment-38108414.html
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #481 on: May 14, 2019, 06:50:25 AM »

Not exactly the publicity the Rugby League needs,

Belfast flight delayed after rugby player accused of 'sexual harassment'

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/belfast-flight-delayed-after-rugby-player-accused-of-sexual-harassment-38108414.html
None of this is in any way connected with Rugby League. :punish:
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #482 on: May 14, 2019, 08:30:48 AM »
Now now Brixmis,don’t be judgemental,anybody can get it wrong from cut and paste,it’s like someone not knowing the difference between innocent and not quilty.ruggby union or rugby league.sure why spoil a good story :o ???

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #483 on: May 25, 2019, 10:55:56 PM »
"14 APR 2019"
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/irish-rugby-players-taking-healthy-14308760

"Irish rugby players taking sexual behaviour classes following Belfast rape trial"

"Today marks one year since the IRFU terminated Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding’s contracts"



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Irish rugby players are taking classes to learn about intimacy, consent and how to behave properly, the Irish Sunday Mirror can reveal.

The men have been attending compulsory workshops about “healthy behaviours” – including while drinking – following the outcome of the Belfast rape trial last year.

A spokesman for the Irish Rugby Football Union said:

“As a background, following the trial the IRFU gave a commitment to conduct an in-depth review of existing structures and educational programmes.

“We identified additional programmes that could be added to the education curriculum, particularly in the areas of healthy behaviours and relationships and the decision-making awareness relating to these.

“We did recognise it was incumbent upon us to ensure our programmes matched the ever-changing social environment.”

Today marks one year since the IRFU terminated Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding’s contracts.

While the pair were cleared of rape, public outrage over the exposure of lewd text messages in a WhatsApp group and their treatment of the 19-year-old at the centre of the case led to them hanging up their boots with Ulster and Ireland.

We can now reveal the IRFU, along with Rugby Players Ireland, found shortcomings in the services provided in educating players.

The bodies appointed UK-based consultancy Gleeson Mills, who work with a number of sports in these areas, to carry out the education programme.

Its website states the company “specialises in the prevention of harmful sexual behaviour”.

The IRFU said: “Our decision to work with this provider was based on the content of their programmes, their experience and their expertise in the specific context of sport.”

The Irish Sunday Mirror contacted Gleeson Mills to outline what their sessions consisted of but a spokesperson advised the newspaper to contact RPI to “discuss the content of the work they commissioned”.

A spokesman for RPI said: “Awareness And Behaviours is an interactive two-session workshop developed specifically for elite sporting professionals to discuss and promote healthy intimate relationships while looking at risks associated with situations they might find themselves in.

Workshop content, which covers areas such as healthy behaviours, including consent, was coordinated by player development managers and a clinical psychologist alongside IRFU HR, through consultation with a range of stakeholders, including male and female staff.”

The IRFU added: “The programme provides an understanding of the importance of making good decisions when others may have a diminished capacity to do so, particularly when impacted or inhibited by alcohol and or other substances.”

It told the Irish Sunday Mirror the senior teams – including the national squad – were first to attend the classes.

The spokesman said: “We prioritised the development of the workshops for our senior teams.

Most players have now undertaken the training. A small number will complete the programme at the end of the season as the training dates did not work for them initially.

“The programme has been undertaken by players in each province and delivered as part of a curriculum of mandatory workshops that also deal with gambling, social media usage, mental health and transition from the game.

These workshops came as part of a wider programme that promotes the personal development of players and their responsibilities as role models in society.

“The IRFU is committed to player education and support and we invest a significant six-figure sum in relation to the education and support functions made available to players by RPI each year.”

Thousands of people took to the streets across Ireland and the North last year to protest over the lack of respect shown to women in a WhatsApp group that both Jackson and Olding were in.

The Belfast trial heard how the latter sent a message which read:

“We are all top shaggers. And there was a bit of spit roasting going on last night, fellas.”

The IRFU and Ulster Rugby released a statement after ending Jackson’s and Olding’s contracts.

It read:

“In arriving at this decision, the Irish Rugby Football Union and Ulster Rugby acknowledge our responsibility and commitment to the core values of the game: Respect, inclusivity and integrity.”

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #484 on: May 26, 2019, 03:22:02 AM »
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shamed-paddy-jackson-and-stuart-olding-will-never-shed-toxic-label-83c72m78h

"Shamed Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding will never shed toxic label"
"By Owen Slot, chief rugby correspondent"

"The announcement from London Irish last week that Paddy Jackson had signed to join the club next season was hardly news. The deal was already in the public domain and had been completed a while before."

"What was new was the outrage that followed."

"This was the reminder that Jackson has a past that he cannot leave behind."

"He was one of two Ulster players who stood trial for rape last year. It was a court case that blew like a hurricane through Ireland and Irish sport, north and south."

"Jackson and Stuart Olding, his Ulster and Ireland team-mate, were acquitted but they were effectively run out of town, effectively found guilty of such appalling “laditude” misogyny on a private social media chat,…"

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #485 on: May 26, 2019, 03:30:08 AM »
https://www.justice-ni.gov.uk/publications/gillen-review-report-law-and-procedures-serious-sexual-offences-ni



"9 May 2019"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48202985

"Sir John Gillen report improvements due in 'weeks and months' "

"Improvements in how Northern Ireland deals with serious sex offence cases are possible within "weeks and months", according to a retired judge."

"Sir John Gillen was speaking after delivering a final report to the Department of Justice."

"It follows public consultation on recommendations he made last year, including controls on who attends rape trials, which will now be implemented."

"He said 75% of the changes do not require legislation."

"His review was launched last year, after former Ulster Rugby players Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding were found not guilty of rape at a high-profile trial."

"Sir John's final report endorses about 250 changes, with 16 described as "key recommendations". "
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #486 on: June 01, 2019, 09:43:47 PM »
Not Guilty, means Not Guilty. Simples.  :D
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #487 on: June 01, 2019, 11:08:21 PM »
Not Guilty, means Not Guilty. Simples.  :D

Latest rumour is that there is going to be a referendum on whether they were guilty or not  :o
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #488 on: June 02, 2019, 01:45:02 AM »
Latest rumour is that there is going to be a referendum on whether they were guilty or not  :o
I could believe that     ::)
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #489 on: June 02, 2019, 12:04:59 PM »
I could believe that     ::)

No comment  ::)
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #490 on: June 02, 2019, 10:24:28 PM »
Latest rumour is that there is going to be a referendum on whether they were guilty or not  :o

Yes indeed.          :D               :D
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #491 on: June 03, 2019, 12:16:25 AM »
Latest rumour is that there is going to be a referendum on whether they were guilty or not  :o

Ali,I find it hard to believe that you'd make a statement like that  ??? I was kinda  in agreement that this topic should fade away into obscurity yet, you bring it to the forefront again,why ? No one ( as far as I could see anyway but, I could be wrong ? )
Argues that these two were not convicted on the charges that saw them before the Courts, what was never establish was, were they actually innocent of the charges before them, that,was never established, do you/would you, really want to see something like this come down to the opinion of the general public ? Personally I would but, that would contradict all your previous posts on this matter  ???

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #492 on: June 03, 2019, 04:15:03 AM »
RTE Radio documentary.

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2018/1117/1011596-notes-from-a-belfast-rape-trial/



"Nov 24, 2018"
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/paddy-jackson-s-lawyer-explains-courtroom-tactics-in-belfast-rape-trial-1.3709590

"Paddy Jackson’s lawyer explains courtroom tactics in Belfast rape trial"

"Review: Airing of explicit detail in this RTE radio documentary risks voyeurism, but is justified"

"Eight months after Irish international rugby players Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding were acquitted of rape in a Belfast court, their trial evidence has been revisited in search of fresh answers. Not in a new legal process, of course – the men cannot be retried for a crime which they were found not guilty of – but instead in a grimly absorbing new radio programme."

"Broadcast on RTÉ Radio 1 this Saturday, Documentary On One: Notes from a Belfast Rape Trial methodically sifts through the courtroom proceedings that unfolded over nine weeks earlier this year, though not with the intention of questioning the verdict. Rather it is the trial process itself that is in the dock, specifically the adversarial system that put the young woman who made the rape complaint through a harrowing and humiliating ordeal in court"

"The documentary arrives at an opportune moment, coming in the week when retired Judge John Gillen published his preliminary report into the handling of sexual assault cases in Northern Ireland. Different rules apply for rape cases in the Republic – defendants are not named, for example – but the documentary also raises uncomfortable questions about how sexual assault allegations are approached south of the border too."

"Produced by Liam O’Brien and Ronan Kelly – who also co-narrates with Emer Horgan – the programme is part current affairs investigation, part on-the-spot reportage, part reconstruction. Unsurprisingly, the account of how Jackson, Olding and two other men were tried for sexual assault against the then 19-year-old woman in Jackson’s house in 2016 makes for disquieting radio. The listener isn’t spared the intimate details that were given in evidence. “It’s not what you’d normally hear on radio,” Kelly says early on, giving the first of several warnings about often distressing material. Relaying such explicit detail on-air carries the risk of voyeurism, but the approach seems justified. The documentary clearly lays out the tactics used by both prosecution and defence lawyers in rape cases and the impact these can have on juries."

"Some familiar methods are used to recreate the trial: actors read out witness testimony, news clips are played. But there are also new perspectives to the story. Most striking are the interviews with lawyers from both sides: Toby Hedworth QC, the slightly showy barrister for the prosecution (but not, crucially, for the young woman) and the unsentimentally rigorous Brendan Kelly QC, who represented Jackson. The latter lawyer, a cousin of narrator Ronan Kelly, explains the rationale behind the courtroom tactics that earned him much opprobrium on social media, such as brandishing the blood-stained thong of the young woman, referred to throughout as “the complainant”.

“It’s too easy to stand outside a courtroom and say that was humiliation,” the barrister says of his methods. “I have no doubt whatsoever that it was very difficult, but I was bound to put those issues to the complainant.”

"In a documentary full of upsetting vignettes, this may be the most jolting moment. But it also captures a key theme: the disconnect between the coldly technical but also ruthless demands of legal procedure and how this is viewed differently by the world outside. While Kelly doesn’t sound triumphant about Jackson’s acquittal, it’s equally notable that his opposite number Hedworth doesn’t seem unduly distressed by the verdict."

"The documentary also looks at the strain such trials put on the jurors who ultimately decide its outcome. Ronan Kelly talks about the wearying effect of hearing so much graphic sexual detail, but observes that unlike listeners, the jury can’t turn it off."

"Meanwhile, the ordeal that the young woman had to endure is made plain, not least being interrogated about her bodily functions in front of a public gallery. Despite what must have been a crushing verdict for her, the unnamed woman comes across as resilient and determined not be beaten by her experiences in her testimony. “He was not taking ‘no’ for an answer,” is not a quote that is easily forgotten. As the narrators make clear, the case highlights how the daunting legal system can be a barrier to women making complaints about sexual violence."

"Certainly, Kelly and O’Brien’s documentary paints a depressing picture of how such a traumatic personal experience can be reduced to a series of arid, intimately detailed arguments at trial. But if the documentary is tough going emotionally, it’s also a gripping, deftly made piece of public service radio. It suggests that when it comes to sexual assault survivors being well served by due process, the jury is still out."

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #493 on: June 03, 2019, 12:29:13 PM »
RTE Radio documentary.

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2018/1117/1011596-notes-from-a-belfast-rape-trial/



"Nov 24, 2018"
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/paddy-jackson-s-lawyer-explains-courtroom-tactics-in-belfast-rape-trial-1.3709590

"Paddy Jackson’s lawyer explains courtroom tactics in Belfast rape trial"

"Review: Airing of explicit detail in this RTE radio documentary risks voyeurism, but is justified"

"Eight months after Irish international rugby players Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding were acquitted of rape in a Belfast court, their trial evidence has been revisited in search of fresh answers. Not in a new legal process, of course – the men cannot be retried for a crime which they were found not guilty of – but instead in a grimly absorbing new radio programme."

"Broadcast on RTÉ Radio 1 this Saturday, Documentary On One: Notes from a Belfast Rape Trial methodically sifts through the courtroom proceedings that unfolded over nine weeks earlier this year, though not with the intention of questioning the verdict. Rather it is the trial process itself that is in the dock, specifically the adversarial system that put the young woman who made the rape complaint through a harrowing and humiliating ordeal in court"

"The documentary arrives at an opportune moment, coming in the week when retired Judge John Gillen published his preliminary report into the handling of sexual assault cases in Northern Ireland. Different rules apply for rape cases in the Republic – defendants are not named, for example – but the documentary also raises uncomfortable questions about how sexual assault allegations are approached south of the border too."

"Produced by Liam O’Brien and Ronan Kelly – who also co-narrates with Emer Horgan – the programme is part current affairs investigation, part on-the-spot reportage, part reconstruction. Unsurprisingly, the account of how Jackson, Olding and two other men were tried for sexual assault against the then 19-year-old woman in Jackson’s house in 2016 makes for disquieting radio. The listener isn’t spared the intimate details that were given in evidence. “It’s not what you’d normally hear on radio,” Kelly says early on, giving the first of several warnings about often distressing material. Relaying such explicit detail on-air carries the risk of voyeurism, but the approach seems justified. The documentary clearly lays out the tactics used by both prosecution and defence lawyers in rape cases and the impact these can have on juries."

"Some familiar methods are used to recreate the trial: actors read out witness testimony, news clips are played. But there are also new perspectives to the story. Most striking are the interviews with lawyers from both sides: Toby Hedworth QC, the slightly showy barrister for the prosecution (but not, crucially, for the young woman) and the unsentimentally rigorous Brendan Kelly QC, who represented Jackson. The latter lawyer, a cousin of narrator Ronan Kelly, explains the rationale behind the courtroom tactics that earned him much opprobrium on social media, such as brandishing the blood-stained thong of the young woman, referred to throughout as “the complainant”.

“It’s too easy to stand outside a courtroom and say that was humiliation,” the barrister says of his methods. “I have no doubt whatsoever that it was very difficult, but I was bound to put those issues to the complainant.”

"In a documentary full of upsetting vignettes, this may be the most jolting moment. But it also captures a key theme: the disconnect between the coldly technical but also ruthless demands of legal procedure and how this is viewed differently by the world outside. While Kelly doesn’t sound triumphant about Jackson’s acquittal, it’s equally notable that his opposite number Hedworth doesn’t seem unduly distressed by the verdict."

"The documentary also looks at the strain such trials put on the jurors who ultimately decide its outcome. Ronan Kelly talks about the wearying effect of hearing so much graphic sexual detail, but observes that unlike listeners, the jury can’t turn it off."

"Meanwhile, the ordeal that the young woman had to endure is made plain, not least being interrogated about her bodily functions in front of a public gallery. Despite what must have been a crushing verdict for her, the unnamed woman comes across as resilient and determined not be beaten by her experiences in her testimony. “He was not taking ‘no’ for an answer,” is not a quote that is easily forgotten. As the narrators make clear, the case highlights how the daunting legal system can be a barrier to women making complaints about sexual violence."

"Certainly, Kelly and O’Brien’s documentary paints a depressing picture of how such a traumatic personal experience can be reduced to a series of arid, intimately detailed arguments at trial. But if the documentary is tough going emotionally, it’s also a gripping, deftly made piece of public service radio. It suggests that when it comes to sexual assault survivors being well served by due process, the jury is still out."
They now can in England and Wales. Not sure if the law has changed here or not.
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #494 on: June 03, 2019, 01:05:04 PM »

IMHO this is `dead in the water`.

Common sense and decency need to prevail.

Give these 5 young people and their families and friends the chance to get their lives back together as best they can.
How would any of us have a day`s peace again with this ongoing carryon in the Forum if we were in their position.

Constantly posting photographs,links,long sprouting pages for no reason other to cause controversy and personal delight on the part of the poster -IMHO is utterly disgusting.

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