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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2018, 10:54:30 PM »

Character witness.  Oh dear.



"3rd February"
http://www.ayradvertiser.com/news/15918544.Rugby_captain_to_be_character_witness_in_Ulster_teammates____rape_trial/

"Rugby captain to be character witness in Ulster teammates’ rape trial"

"Ireland and Ulster rugby captain Rory Best says he is to be a character witness at the trial of two teammates for rape."

"Best, who led the Irish team to victory against France in the Six Nations tournament on Saturday, was spotted at Belfast Crown Court on Wednesday where Stuart Olding, 24, and Paddy Jackson, 26, are standing trial accused of rape."

"The Ireland and Ulster rugby players are accused of raping the same woman at a property in south Belfast in June 2016. Jackson is also charged with sexual assault."

"Speaking at a press conference after the match in Paris, Best was asked if the Irish Rugby Football Union had given him permission to attend the trial."

"He told reporters: “We sign out on Tuesday night, Wednesday is our day off, so technically we don’t need permission to do stuff on our own time." "

" “The reason I was there, it’s on the record I’ve been called as a character witness." "

" “I was advised it was important to attend, so I got both sides of the story." "

" “Because it’s an ongoing legal matter, I will make no further comment than that.” "

Fellow Lions, Ireland and Ulster star Iain Henderson were also seen at the court last week.

Ireland and Ulster winger Craig Gilroy was also present at the trial on Wednesday, as was Ulster prop Kyle McCall.

Alliance Party Northern Ireland Assembly member Paula Bradshaw said she had written to Ulster Rugby asking what guidance was provided to its team members in relation to attending the rape trial.

Olding and Jackson deny the charges.

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2018, 02:32:09 PM »

Rory Best 'was told to attend rape trial'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42948309
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2018, 03:15:13 PM »

Rory Best 'was told to attend rape trial'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42948309
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Correct Bigali-I have been following this sad case since the Summer.
At the heels of the hunt-no matter what the outcome-there are 5 families going through a very difficult time
-leaving aside their 4 sons who may or may not be guilty of what they are accused of.
Also,the fifth -the young Lady-also her family suffering with her.
No one would ever want the photos,the media attention this case is being subjected to.
A lot of people seem to be delighting in this case for reasons which seem to be of a `class` issue.
Well,as far as I see it-do not dine out on this type of case-no matter what the final outcome is-a lot of
lives have been destroyed for the future,
jilly

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2018, 03:17:50 PM »
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Correct Bigali-I have been following this sad case since the Summer.
At the heels of the hunt-no matter what the outcome-there are 5 families going through a very difficult time
-leaving aside their 4 sons who may or may not be guilty of what they are accused of.
Also,the fifth -the young Lady-also her family suffering with her.
No one would ever want the photos,the media attention this case is being subjected to.
A lot of people seem to be delighting in this case for reasons which seem to be of a `class` issue.
Well,as far as I see it-do not dine out on this type of case-no matter what the final outcome is-a lot of
lives have been destroyed for the future,
jilly

You've hit the nail on the head there Jilly  O0
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2018, 01:19:17 AM »
Rory Best 'was told to attend rape trial'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42948309
'Told'..lol. How long did it take them to come up with that one. You gotta laugh...only its a RAPE trial...😕

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2018, 01:50:15 AM »
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Correct Bigali-I have been following this sad case since the Summer.
At the heels of the hunt-no matter what the outcome-there are 5 families going through a very difficult time
-leaving aside their 4 sons who may or may not be guilty of what they are accused of.
Also,the fifth -the young Lady-also her family suffering with her.
No one would ever want the photos,the media attention this case is being subjected to.
A lot of people seem to be delighting in this case for reasons which seem to be of a `class` issue.
Well,as far as I see it-do not dine out on this type of case-no matter what the final outcome is-a lot of
lives have been destroyed for the future,
jilly
The issue is, did 4 Ulster Rugby players come under the illusion of 'entitlement' (class/sports status),  to take it upon themselves to gang rape a defenceless young lady ?
Never mind the sentimentality of what families are going through. Did they RAPE her? Are their children guilty of this?
If they are guilty, what does this say about the culture they where brought up in? Obviously they are all high status sports men, all of them...has this something to do with a culture of invincibility (entitlement) ???
Is the young lady economical with the truth? Seems quite a story if she is.
The courts will decide soon.
Whatever the outcome, some parents will have to do a bit of soul searching....
There has always been a culture where women have been afraid of reporting sexual assaults and even rape. Just look at Hollywood. I would encourage all females to face the evil perpetrators down. Come out and shout loud.
This particular case? We wait and see...
Rory Best has still not justified his appearance at the trial.
Anyone with a wit of objectivity, would think he was there in support of his players. He took sides. Wrong wrong wrong.
Cliftonville football club have a player playing...Donnelly. He has a court case for viewing child pornography. Why he is still playing, is beyond me. 😕
Sending the wrong signals out to young people...A moral decay.
By the way Jilly, its an angry case...no matter the outcome. 😠 Sad it is not.

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2018, 12:22:47 PM »

Rugby rape trial jury told to ignore all publicity around case
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42975294

The phrase "fireside lawyers" is particularly apt I think.
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2018, 01:35:11 PM »
Tours, in relation to the presence of rory best at the trial.  Please look at the post match press briefing after the game
with France and listen to what Rory Best has to say in connection with the court issue. I can only assume you are not
attending the court on a day to day basis.  If that is the case then I suggest you are drawing your information from
the media reports. This can cloud ones vision in reaching early opinions on all concerned.  Best to wait and gather all
the evidence together and look at it in the round.  Then by all means voice your opinion.  Remember these guys, be it
Rugby or Football players are classified innocent until proven guilty by the evidence presented to the court.  Likewise
the social standing of the young lady should also be respected.  I suggest in the interest of fair play for all, lets wait
and see the outcome before we rush in waving fingers.  Thank You, Cookstown 

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2018, 01:57:19 PM »

Tours, in relation to the presence of rory best at the trial.  Please look at the post match press briefing after the game
with France and listen to what Rory Best has to say in connection with the court issue. I can only assume you are not
attending the court on a day to day basis.  If that is the case then I suggest you are drawing your information from
the media reports. This can cloud ones vision in reaching early opinions on all concerned.  Best to wait and gather all
the evidence together and look at it in the round.  Then by all means voice your opinion.  Remember these guys, be it
Rugby or Football players are classified innocent until proven guilty by the evidence presented to the court.  Likewise
the social standing of the young lady should also be respected.  I suggest in the interest of fair play for all, lets wait
and see the outcome before we rush in waving fingers.  Thank You, Cookstown
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Correct cookstown-a very good summing up of the whole scenario.
jilly

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2018, 05:21:15 PM »

Have you got a link to the interview? Even if they are found not guilty they are still scum bags in my eyes for the way they bragged about there encounter with that girl.

Tours, in relation to the presence of rory best at the trial.  Please look at the post match press briefing after the game
with France and listen to what Rory Best has to say in connection with the court issue. I can only assume you are not
attending the court on a day to day basis.  If that is the case then I suggest you are drawing your information from
the media reports. This can cloud ones vision in reaching early opinions on all concerned.  Best to wait and gather all
the evidence together and look at it in the round.  Then by all means voice your opinion.  Remember these guys, be it
Rugby or Football players are classified innocent until proven guilty by the evidence presented to the court.  Likewise
the social standing of the young lady should also be respected.  I suggest in the interest of fair play for all, lets wait
and see the outcome before we rush in waving fingers.  Thank You, Cookstown

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2018, 06:55:29 PM »
If you google france v Ireland rugby with last Saturdays date you will find several little bits covering the game.  Think
his is the one with joe smit beside him in the post match interview.  The only comment I will make on the latter part of
your post is perhaps you should check what the Judges comments were to the Jury about social media.  I am not trying
to convince you to change your point of view which you are entitled to.  Perhaps its best you were not summoned for
Jury Service in this case.
Regards, Cookstown 

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2018, 09:41:12 PM »

Yes well if you came to that conclusion from my last post then perhaps you should also not be summoned for jury duty. I stand by what I said. There texts were sickening and that is no way to take about a female.

If you google france v Ireland rugby with last Saturdays date you will find several little bits covering the game.  Think
his is the one with joe smit beside him in the post match interview.  The only comment I will make on the latter part of
your post is perhaps you should check what the Judges comments were to the Jury about social media.  I am not trying
to convince you to change your point of view which you are entitled to.  Perhaps its best you were not summoned for
Jury Service in this case.
Regards, Cookstown

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2018, 05:59:49 AM »
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Correct Bigali-I have been following this sad case since the Summer.
At the heels of the hunt-no matter what the outcome-there are 5 families going through a very difficult time
-leaving aside their 4 sons who may or may not be guilty of what they are accused of.
Also,the fifth -the young Lady-also her family suffering with her.
No one would ever want the photos,the media attention this case is being subjected to.
A lot of people seem to be delighting in this case for reasons which seem to be of a `class` issue.
Well,as far as I see it-do not dine out on this type of case-no matter what the final outcome is-a lot of
lives have been destroyed for the future,
jilly

Hear hear, excellent post.  O0 O0
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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2018, 02:32:46 PM »
"15th FEB 2018"
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/paddy-jackson-stuart-olding-rugby-14295896
"Paddy Jackson Stuart Olding rugby rape trial hears alleged victim feared seeing men accused in public"

My note,... in that news report, two friends of the alleged victim described in court how and why the the alleged victim was persuaded to see a doctor and then persuaded to report the alleged attack to the police, and what happened when she did so.

It is quite emotional and graphic, and I warn you that you might find the testimony to be upsetting.
         
These are similar reports of the testimony of the alleged victim's friend.
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/paddy-jackson-stuart-olding-rugby-14294338

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/alleged-rugby-rape-victim-told-police-to-stop-it-happening-to-someone-else-36608741.html

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Re: Belfast trial of two Rugby players for rape
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2018, 12:13:20 PM »

I wonder if the family and friends of the accused have been blabbing online. I hear the judge called for them not to talk about the case at the weekend on social media. I don't believe they did not talk about the events of the night before when they meet up the next day in a Lisburn road coffee shop like Rory Harrison claims. Also he claimed the alleged rape victim was fixated with Paddy Jackson and didn't take her eyes off him, Surely that would mean that he "Rory Harrison" must have been fixated with her and did not take his eyes of her to notice this. And furthermore Paddy claims he did not engage in [censored] yet one of the females that walked into his bedroom claims that when she walked into the room paddy was engaged in what she claims was a 3some.