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Re: Are you just starting Family History research?
« Reply #345 on: January 03, 2017, 06:26:24 AM »
looking  [ for a friend ] for any info on Henry Watts , born circa 1811 and possibly migrated to Canada. Maybe because of the potato famine  More than likely was an Ulster man  regards and thanks   johnmc
There is a database in the National Archives America aka NARA of Irish famine ship passenger arrivals in New York.

It's searchable online by name, and there are 3 listings for that name combination,... search on Watts Henry.

https://www.archives.gov/research/immigration

https://aad.archives.gov/aad/series-description.jsp?s=639

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Re: Are you just starting Family History research?
« Reply #346 on: January 03, 2017, 07:58:03 AM »

Wondering can anyone help I am trying to trace my grandmother family they were mcilvenny of joy street I believe her father (John)  mother (Maria Cunningham) were married in 1914 and she was born in 1916 I think they may have lived on Newtownards road at one time but she was sent to the country when she was about 4-5 years old never seeing any of her family again was wondering if anyone can help any help greatly appreciated


You may have been better to start your own specific topic, multiple responses to your query can be easy to miss on a lengthy generic topic like this.  Anyhow, the civil registration for the marriage of John Francis McIlvenny to Maria Cunningham on 12 April 1914 is free to view on an Irish Government website at the link below:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09846/5575253.pdf

According to this registration record, 34 year old John was a bachelor, an 'organiser' by way of occupation, he was living at 28 Joy Street and his father was John McIlvenny, an inspector. Maria was a 30 year old spinster, a typist living at 7 Dunluce Avenue, her father was James Cunningham a traveller (not what means today, it simply means that his job entailed travelling).

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« Reply #347 on: January 03, 2017, 08:18:23 AM »

Wondering can anyone help I am trying to trace my grandmother family they were mcilvenny of joy street I believe her father (John)  mother (Maria Cunningham) were married in 1914 and she was born in 1916 I think they may have lived on Newtownards road at one time but she was sent to the country when she was about 4-5 years old never seeing any of her family again was wondering if anyone can help any help greatly appreciated


Following on from the 1914 marriage information posted immediately above, you can track both families back to the 1911 and 1901 censuses:

The McIlvennys

1911: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Joy_Street/190066/
1901: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Joy_Street/976145/

The Cunninghams

1911: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor/Dunluce_Avenue/153320/
1901: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Mountpottinger_Road/1215263/

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Re: Are you just starting Family History research?
« Reply #348 on: January 03, 2017, 08:30:23 AM »
Wondering can anyone help I am trying to trace my grandmother family... etcetera
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,720.msg1932270.html#msg1932270

Ditto what CMcG said in his reply to this message on the link above, and for the same reasons, and also because I think that this thread is more intended to be for information about record sources and research strategies rather than for specific queries relating to particular individuals. Just click on the NEW TOPIC button on the Belfast Genealogy forum, and start your own specific message thread about your topic and give it your own descriptive and informative message title, that will be, as CMcG suggested, much more potentially productive.

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Re: Are you just starting Family History research?
« Reply #349 on: January 03, 2017, 08:38:22 AM »

Wondering can anyone help I am trying to trace my grandmother family they were mcilvenny of joy street I believe her father (John)  mother (Maria Cunningham) were married in 1914 and she was born in 1916 I think they may have lived on Newtownards road at one time but she was sent to the country when she was about 4-5 years old never seeing any of her family again was wondering if anyone can help any help greatly appreciated


A birth for a Delia Mc Ilvenney, born on 24 November 1915, was registered in Belfast, the mother's maiden name was Cunningham, looking at the naming patterns in the 1901 and 1911 census returns for the Cunninghams, this looks like a potential daughter of John Francis McIlvenny and Maria Cunningham.

It is unlikely that you will find online birth details of any further children from 'official' sources due to privacy reasons, the NI Government and the Republic's Government only make available online birth records which are over 100 years old.

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« Reply #350 on: January 03, 2017, 08:57:56 AM »

Wondering can anyone help I am trying to trace my grandmother family they were mcilvenny of joy street I believe her father (John)  mother (Maria Cunningham) were married in 1914 and she was born in 1916 I think they may have lived on Newtownards road at one time but she was sent to the country when she was about 4-5 years old never seeing any of her family again was wondering if anyone can help any help greatly appreciated


Following on from the 1901 and 1911 census information posted at reply #362 above and turning first to the McIlvenny's...

The couple in the 1901 census were John McIlvenny and Jane Kelly, here is the birth for their son John Francis McIlvenny, born on 9 May 1880 at 28 Joy Street:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02876/2054031.pdf

John McIlvenny married Jane Kelly on 11 December 1871.  GRONI online has the civil marriage registration should you wish to view it (note: groom's name indexed as 'McIlvenna'), but it is not free (currently 2.50).  The 1871 church record (St. Patrick's Belfast) shows that John McIlvenny was 27 at the time of marriage, a compositor by way of occupation, he was living at 8 Hamill Square and was a bachelor, the son of Thomas McIlvenny a carowner. Jane Kelly was recorded as living at 4 Harley Street, a 24 year old spinster, the daughter of James Kelly (deceased).  A James McVeagh and a Letitia Liddy were witnesses.

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« Reply #351 on: January 03, 2017, 09:51:54 AM »

Wondering can anyone help I am trying to trace my grandmother family they were mcilvenny of joy street I believe her father (John)  mother (Maria Cunningham) were married in 1914 and she was born in 1916 I think they may have lived on Newtownards road at one time but she was sent to the country when she was about 4-5 years old never seeing any of her family again was wondering if anyone can help any help greatly appreciated


Following on from the 1901 and 1911 census information posted at reply #362 above and turning next to the Cunninghams...

The couple in the 1901 and 1911 census returns  were James Cunningham and Bedelia Crowley, at the link below is the birth registration for their daughter Maria, born on 18 May 1884 in Rathfriland:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02684/1988802.pdf

James Cunningham married Bedelia Crowley in St. Mary's Pro Cathedral Dublin on 6 January 1882. The civil marriage registration is at the link below:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10957/8005191.pdf

In the civil marriage record, James was recorded as a bachelor of full age, a draper living in Rathfriland Co. Down, the son of George Cunningham (deceased), a farmer. Bedelia was recorded as a spinster of full age, living in Lower Kilrush, the daughter of Michael Crowley, a farmer.  Patrick Foster and Margaret Carey were witnesses.

Here is the 1882 church marriage record, which provides additional information about the couples' parents (James' parents from Leitrim - possibly Leitrim in County Down - and his mother recorded as Cath McAlinen? and Bedelia's mother recorded as B. Callinan) and the witnesses:
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0040

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Re: Are you just starting Family History research?
« Reply #352 on: January 03, 2017, 10:13:26 AM »

Wondering can anyone help I am trying to trace my grandmother family they were mcilvenny of joy street I believe her father (John)  mother (Maria Cunningham) were married in 1914 and she was born in 1916 I think they may have lived on Newtownards road at one time but she was sent to the country when she was about 4-5 years old never seeing any of her family again was wondering if anyone can help any help greatly appreciated


Following on from the 1882 church marriage record of James Cunningham and  Bedelia Crowley mentioned in reply #366 immediately above and in particular the information about James' parents, here is a possible candidate for the baptism of James Cunningham, it took place in 'Clonuff' (Clonduff) RC parish on 13 December 1851, namely:

James of George Cunningham & Catharine Mc(a?)Lindon (Leitrim)
Sponsors John Hagan & Sarah Hagan

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633259#page/10/mode/1up (left page, 3rd entry down)

Griffith's Valuation shows a George Cunningham in Leitrim County Down living in a property with just over 10 acres, the local print date was 1864.
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« Reply #353 on: January 03, 2017, 10:50:25 AM »

Wondering can anyone help I am trying to trace my grandmother family they were mcilvenny of joy street I believe her father (John)  mother (Maria Cunningham) were married in 1914 and she was born in 1916 I think they may have lived on Newtownards road at one time but she was sent to the country when she was about 4-5 years old never seeing any of her family again was wondering if anyone can help any help greatly appreciated


Following on from the various bits and pieces of information posted above, here are some newspaper articles from 1924 about John McIlvenny senior, who died on 2 December that year:



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« Reply #354 on: January 03, 2017, 11:09:00 AM »
Following on from the various bits and pieces of information posted above, here are some newspaper articles from 1924 about John McIlvenny senior, who died on 2 December that year:

Thank you how do you find this information that looks like my grandmother's grandfather



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Re: Are you just starting Family History research?
« Reply #355 on: July 21, 2017, 03:29:02 PM »
Posting for the first time to see if anyone can help me with some knowledge.
I have been able to get to my wife's g grandfather but not sure if I have the correct information
Heidi name was Henderson married Anne McCracken in stranolar co. Donegal in cenus can find a Anne Henderson McCracken
Details of the children seem to be correct bar one that is a. girl called Sinday which seems like a newish name?

My grandmother married twice first to Robert Millar/er which is what I knew her as. She was also called Spence don't know husband name.
Address she lived as a donated was 5 Malcolm Lane. I have names of all the Aunt's and uncles That I knew living but was once asked about an Aunt Tilly.

Is there a free site anywhere you can get a list of all children that where born but either died as a baby or later

Also will post later regarding my mother's side where again I am having some issues.


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« Reply #356 on: July 21, 2017, 04:17:08 PM »

... I have been able to get to my wife's g grandfather but not sure if I have the correct information
Heidi name was Henderson married Anne McCracken in stranolar co. Donegal in cenus can find a Anne Henderson McCracken
Details of the children seem to be correct bar one that is a. girl called Sinday which seems like a newish name?


If you're referring to these folk in the 1901 census ...
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Stranorlar/Stranorlar_Town/1199933/

... then the Head of Family shown was the widow of James Henderson, her name was Ann McCormack/McCormick and her daughter's name 'Sindey' was short for Lucinda.

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« Reply #357 on: July 21, 2017, 04:56:43 PM »

... My grandmother married twice first to Robert Millar/er which is what I knew her as. She was also called Spence don't know husband name ...


Street directory entries for 5 Malcolm Lane, courtesy of the Lennon Wylie website:

1924: 5. Millar, Robt., labourer
1932: 5. Millar, Robt., labourer
1943: 5. Millar, Mrs. Martha
1951: 5. Spence, R., labourer
1960: 5. Spence, Mrs Martha

First husband Robert Millar died on 17 June 1938 and is buried in grave N1 132 of Belfast City Cemetery - Glenalina Extension, if you view his details in the link below, you can see that his last place of residence was 5 Malcolm Lane:
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=N1&GraveNumber=132&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension

Second husband's name was Robert George Spence, he died on 21 June 1958 and is buried with others in grave A2 272 of Belfast City Cemetery, if you view his details in the link below, you can see that his last place of residence was 5 Malcolm Lane: 
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=A2&GraveNumber=272&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery

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Re: Are you just starting Family History research?
« Reply #358 on: July 21, 2017, 05:22:24 PM »
Thanks CMCG how did you know it was short for Lucinda?

I started a while back joined Ancestry but could never could find some details despite having birthdays or deaths.

So after I just carried on found out stuff on my own when and where I could. Would be interested to try to find out how to gain more insight.

Thanks for imformation on my grandmother again how did you get these as I couldnt find any info.

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« Reply #359 on: July 21, 2017, 05:36:47 PM »

... Thanks CMCG how did you know it was short for Lucinda? ...


Because that's the name her 1887 birth was registered under, you can view it free here:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02549/1943395.pdf

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