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ksully

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McKinnell Family Bourton Street 1940's
« on: November 23, 2018, 11:31:47 AM »
I am researching the McKinnell family who lived on what used to be Bourton Street in the 1940's and 1950's. (I believe Bourton Street no longer exists). The purpose of the research is to build an extended family tree. I think the McKinnells were 2nd cousins. In 1940 the family consisted of James McKinnell and his wife Sarah (Bamford) and children Alice, Dennis, Jack (John) James, Reggie, Sylvia (all unknown d.o.b), Elizabeth (Lily) b.1925, Ruby b.1927, Minnie (Mary) b.1931 - died 1934, Sarah (Sally) b.1937 and Violet b.1939. I think all of these 'children' have now passed away. I know some of the 'children' came to England in the 1950's and then emigrated to the USA. I am trying to find out when they left Belfast and where they went to in England, whether they had children, got married, what type of work they did etc. I guess I would need to make contact with someone in their eighties now that would remember the McKinnell family.

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Re: McKinnell Family Bourton Street 1940's
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2018, 03:19:03 PM »
This to help get you started: https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch

Record details
Name of deceased   James Mckinnell
Last place of residence   Forster Green Hosp 4 Bourton St
Age   55 Yrs
Sex   
Date of death   11 April 1957
Date of burial   13 April 1957
Cemetery   City Cemetery - Glenalina Extension
Grave section and number   Q1 282
Burial Type   Earth Burial



Record details
Name of deceased   Sarah Mckinnell
Last place of residence   4 Bourton St
Age   64
Sex   F
Date of death   22 September 1969
Date of burial   25 September 1969
Cemetery   City Cemetery - Glenalina Extension
Grave section and number   Q1 282
Burial Type   Earth Burial



Record details
Name of deceased   Mary Mckinnell
Last place of residence   Children'S Hospl Fall'S Rd 103 Lecale St
Age   4 1/2 Years
Sex   
Date of death   9 October 1935
Date of burial   11 October 1935
Cemetery   City Cemetery - Glenalina Extension
Grave section and number   Q1 282
Burial Type   Earth Burial


Different address, but could this be a daughter ?

Record details
Name of deceased   Miss Alice Mckinnell
Last place of residence   Children'S Hospital, Falls Road 13 Moltke Street
Age   4 Months
Sex   
Date of death   13 February 1935
Date of burial   15 February 1935
Cemetery   City Cemetery - Public Ground
Grave section and number   
Burial Type   Earth Burial


Unsure if this is a relative or not ?

Record details
Name of deceased   James Mckinnell
Last place of residence   Whitehouse 26 Dandy St
Age   5 Weeks
Sex   
Date of death   31 January 1945
Date of burial   1 February 1945
Cemetery   City Cemetery - Public Ground
Grave section and number   NK NK
Burial Type   Earth Burial




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Re: McKinnell Family Bourton Street 1940's
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2018, 03:37:35 PM »
Thank you for the information. The details re the parents (James and Sarah) confirm the info I have. Yes I also think the Alice is a daughter but I don't think the younger James is a son as the family were still living in Bourton Street at the time of his death.

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Re: McKinnell Family Bourton Street 1940's
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2018, 04:20:27 PM »
so repeating Sams look ups in abbreviated form, and i hope all of them, see below

building a picture of the McKinnell  not including McKinnelly
Some earlier marriages from ancestry ireland
MCKINNELL JOHN 1845 father JAMES Antrim
MCKINNELL ANDREW 1859 father THOMAS Antrim
MCKINNELL DONALD 1883 father DONALD Antrim
showing how few living in ireland
your family tree in draft stage because of your two entries for a Dennis looks like this draft after I found a date for Alice. I did not find the family in 1901 census  why not a spelling variant or?

you need to correct this please
1.  Robert McKinnell father of William John noted in marriage
1.1 William John McKinnell b~1868-9  43 Presbyterian b Scotland General Labourer Read and write English m ~1891 ancestry ireland - - McKinnell Eliza b~1872-339 Female Wife Presbyterian England General Labourer Read and write English Married - 20 5 5  living
residence 1911 census  56 in Louisa Street (Clifton, Antrim) children 
1.1.1 Agnes McKinnell b 1895 Presbyterian Belfast Linen Waver in 1911 Read and write -m 1913  see Ancestryireland –
1.1.2.  Mary McKinnell b~1898 Presbyterian Belfast Mill Worker Winder Read and write English m 1913  see Ancestryireland - - -
1.1.3. John McKinnell  b~1899-1900 Presbyterian Belfast  Read and write English
1.1.4.  James McKinnell b~1902-3 Presbyterian Scotland looks like your James d11 April 1957 aged 55 m Sarah (Bamford) d 22 Sept 1969 see city cemetery
residences
1934 13 Moltke Street
1935 103 Lecale street
1969 4 Bouton Street
 children
1.1.4.1. Dennis McKinnell no details found
1.1.4.2. Jack (John) see McKinnell ancestryireland deaths 1970 city cemetery
1.1.4.3. James McKinnell,  see ancestryireland deaths 1957 city cemetery
1.1.4.4. Reggie McKinnell, no details found
1.1.4.5. Sylvia McKinnell (all unknown d.o.b),
1.1.4.6. Elizabeth (Lily) McKinnell b.1925,
1.1.4.7. Ruby McKinnell b.1927,
1.1.4.8. Minnie (Mary) McKinnell b.1931 - died 1934, see also see ancestryireland deaths 1935 city cemetery 103 Lecale street
1.1.4.9. Alice McKinnell b 1934  4 months13 Feb 1935 infant death parents not in online entry 13 Moltke Street
1.1.4.10. Dennis McKinnell no detaild found
1.1.4.11. Sarah (Sally) McKinnell b.1937 see ancestryireland deaths 1969city cemetery
1.1.4.12  Violet McKinnell b.1939. two exist her aunt the other b 1906 below
 
1.1.5. Violet McKinnell b~1906-7 Female Daughter Presbyterian Canada Scholar Neither English Single -

sources
ancestryireland
1901 census, 1911 census
http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/community/burialrecords/burialrecords.aspx
further unconnected so far
1911 census 27 in Parkmount (Duncairn, Antrim)
Mc Kinnell David 24 Male Boarder Presbyterian Scotland Cabinet Maker Read and write - Single - - - -
David was boarding with the Donald family

Belfast city cemetery Sonja Jane Mckinnell
Last place of residence   9 Fairyknow Pk N'Abbey
Age   26 Hrs    ie infant death
Sex   F
Date of death   25 July 1971
Date of burial   27 July 1971
Cemetery   City Cemetery - Public Ground
Grave section and number   Z1 373
Burial Type another inconnected as yet

 James Mckinnell
Last place of residence   Whitehouse 26 Dandy St
Age   5 Weeks
Sex   
Date of death   31 January 1945
Date of burial   1 February 1945
Cemetery   City Cemetery - Public Ground
Grave section and number   NK NK
Burial Type   Earth Burial
 familysearch, scotlands people, emerald ancestorsdidn’t use

there are entries in the street directories see http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/  you need to be aware the individuals list is not wholly accurate using her search engine for a name in a year is best eg try 1951 http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1951_2.htm
Bourton Street
from 99 Hillview Street to Lebanon Street
   4. McKinnell, James, blacksmith
I am sure there are other entries but are the same spelling etc


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Re: McKinnell Family Bourton Street 1940's
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2018, 05:17:29 PM »
Thank you very much for the information. It will take me some time to sift through it all. But at a glance, I have already found the McKinnells at Boulton Street between 1943 and 1960. As I have records of two of the children, Violet and Sarah(Sally), being in England in the 1950's then these are the people I want to concentrate on. I would like to find out when they came to England and where they lived and worked etc prior to emigrating to the USA. The other sister I can't find any records for is Sylvia McKinnell.
Regards,

sam barry

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Re: McKinnell Family Bourton Street 1940's
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2018, 07:53:17 PM »
From: https://www.familysearch.org

Might be worth looking into this,even to rule it out ?

Violet Mckinnell
mentioned in the record of Reisinger and Violet Mckinnell
Name   Violet Mckinnell
Event Type   Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter   Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year   1958
Registration District   Thanet
County   Kent
Event Place   Thanet, Kent, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911)   Reisinger
Volume   5B
Page   1929
Affiliate Line Number   67
 
Violet Mckinnell probably married one of the following people
Name   Edwin L Reisinger

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Re: McKinnell Family Bourton Street 1940's
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2018, 11:37:50 PM »
from https://www.freebmd.org.uk
Marriages Dec 1958   (>99%)
McKINNELL    Sarah    m [Bryan] SHARPLES    Blackpool    10b   635     Scan available - click to view
Marriages Jun 1960   (>99%)
McKINNELL    Sarah C    OAKES    Middlesbro'    1b   1285    
 i am stoppping here as i dont wish to go onwards, good luck in your quest

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Re: McKinnell Family Bourton Street 1940's
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2018, 10:30:36 AM »
For sambarry - Some of the names of your previous post tie in with the info I already have. It is interesting that it seems difficult to find records relating to the male 'children'. As I mentioned previously I think the 'Alice' is correct (so sad to find someone dying at that age).

For JimG - I was already aware of the marriages of Violet and Sarah in England - they subsequently emigrated to the USA and along with their husbands, I believe they have all passed away. I didn't include the marriages (along with some other info) in my original post as I didn't want the post to seem too long.

With those marriages now being confirmed my hope is that I can fill the gaps up to 1958 insomuch as where the siblings lived, type of jobs etc.

Thank you very much to you both for your help.
Best Regards.