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misssmyth1

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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2018, 10:37:03 PM »
Thank you for your honest comments  I am sure there are many people who have moved on etc.. but unfortunately it is the ones who have not moved on who are holding the others back.... forgive me if i am making mistakes in my assumptions  > i wish the people of NI all the very best but it is somewhere i happened to be born and brought up for the first 19 years of my life    that's it.   for two years I saw nastiness and i wanted to leave for a better life with freedom of choices   and thank goodness I had a choice before I may have been perhaps forced  out??????  good luck and love to anyone else who stayed and made a life but it wasn't for me and this last visit just confirmed that for me .  freedom of choice is worth everything along with good health and  all the rest is a great bonus . this is just my very sincere and honest opinion. 

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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2018, 05:34:46 AM »
I went back for a few days recently with an invitation and  some pressure   from old friends who came to visit us in London from N I and they  put some extra  pressure and guilt on me to visit . i can honestly say  i will never visit again ever!!!  i have my wonderful memories from my childhood and early teenage years but having experienced this recent holiday my goodness  some people have never moved on and gone on wards and upwards . My husband never felt relaxed and neither did i .. three times we were asked questions about religion in a social environment . because my husband is of a different religion and country than me  many people may have moved on but I feel that  many have not... and some old friends who still live in N I  have even agreed with me ,,,..we all have choices and my choice is never to go to Belfast again  i'm sure I may cause offence but I am posting  my honest opinion...  I married someone from different country and  religion  and we were asked so many questions about what religion  our children were being brought up!!??  they are successful healthy  well balanced adults who are having  a happy well balanced   life and what business is it to anyone what religion  they are  if any at all  it doesn't matter very much to all of us so why should it matter to complete strangers. we have great lives and are so happy and content and feel very fortunate for the freedom to enjoy it all

Yes indeed. Sadly most people who have been away for a time and return would agree with you. It's always been there and will always remain there. Belfast is much the same as many British cities and indeed suffers from the same problems, but has the added problem of sectarianism and bigotry. Some people think Belfast is great, fair enough, but equally some folk bury their heads in the sand and ignore the obvious.  ::)
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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2018, 09:01:49 AM »
Lived in Belfast now for four years, I think and not had any questions on religion, background etc. I am not from Ireland. Have friends from Belfast and it never really came up. I guess it is who you come into contact with, what areas you reside in etc...Iíve found folk very warm and welcoming...different experiences I guess...
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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2018, 02:02:49 PM »
Sorry you have forgotten or left behind your roots miss smyth1 when you left Belfast.  Three times you
were asked about your religion.  I have lived in belfast for over 60 years and am still waiting to be asked.
Good move also to London arguably the current murder capital of the uk.  Thankfully the things I dont
like about Belfast are bus lanes, the price thats charged for parking and just trying to get across it in
the rush hour.  But I havn't forgot my roots.
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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2018, 02:09:22 PM »
Lived in Belfast now for four years, I think and not had any questions on religion, background etc. I am not from Ireland. Have friends from Belfast and it never really came up. I guess it is who you come into contact with, what areas you reside in etc...Iíve found folk very warm and welcoming...different experiences I guess...


I think you are right. In any case, it is virtually impossible to avoid Belfast people concluding which religion you are from just normal conversation about any series of issues. This isn't necessarily bad, bigoted or sectarian - just emerges .People usually don't need to ask directly, it isn't necessary to be Sherlock Holmes. The more interesting question is why people are interested!

 There is this feeling that somehow or other the place was more civilised when people didn't talk overtly or discuss religion, education or politics. 'This used to be a great wee place [country] before. ' Cloud cuckoo land that one - it wasn't that these were not discussed - they weren't ALLOWED to be discussed openly. 'Smoke signals [were] loud-mouthed compared to us' - how healthy was that? Reverse of Carlberg - probably the most muted city in the world!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't think of a country I have been in for any period of time - including some holidays - where politics[theirs or ours or both] and religion [or atheism, humanism etc.] DID NOT come up at some point in a pub or club. It is the most natural thing in the world to discuss either or both. It would be natural also to discuss any of the items below - problem here is what people do or don't do with what is talked about.

What would be the suggested topics for our 'wee country' or city- the weather? work [where do you work etc]? football [which code - soccer GAA rugby?]; which team you support? education [which schools?]; where do you live? [designation by postcode]; the children? [schools,first communion, confirmation, Sunday School, scouts, BB, GB, GAA]. Sectarianism and bigotry or lack of it is in the eye of the beholder - stuff them!


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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2018, 10:20:09 PM »
Thank you for your honest comments  I am sure there are many people who have moved on etc.. but unfortunately it is the ones who have not moved on who are holding the others back.... forgive me if i am making mistakes in my assumptions  > i wish the people of NI all the very best but it is somewhere i happened to be born and brought up for the first 19 years of my life    that's it.   for two years I saw nastiness and i wanted to leave for a better life with freedom of choices   and thank goodness I had a choice before I may have been perhaps forced  out? ??? ??  good luck and love to anyone else who stayed and made a life but it wasn't for me and this last visit just confirmed that for me .  freedom of choice is worth everything along with good health and  all the rest is a great bonus . this is just my very sincere and honest opinion.

The thing is, Miss Smythe, no matter the ignorance shown to you on your most recent visit you were born and raised in Belfast. No one has the right to treat you as an outsider, let alone to disparage your husband. The city is part of you. It always will be. I'm very sorry you had this experience.

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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2018, 03:32:22 AM »
I went back for a few days recently with an invitation and  some pressure   from old friends who came to visit us in London from N I and they  put some extra  pressure and guilt on me to visit . i can honestly say  i will never visit again ever!!!  i have my wonderful memories from my childhood and early teenage years but having experienced this recent holiday my goodness  some people have never moved on and gone on wards and upwards . My husband never felt relaxed and neither did i .. three times we were asked questions about religion in a social environment . because my husband is of a different religion and country than me  many people may have moved on but I feel that  many have not... and some old friends who still live in N I  have even agreed with me ,,,..we all have choices and my choice is never to go to Belfast again  i'm sure I may cause offence but I am posting  my honest opinion...  I married someone from different country and  religion  and we were asked so many questions about what religion  our children were being brought up!!??  they are successful healthy  well balanced adults who are having  a happy well balanced   life and what business is it to anyone what religion  they are  if any at all  it doesn't matter very much to all of us so why should it matter to complete strangers. we have great lives and are so happy and content and feel very fortunate for the freedom to enjoy it all
sorry to hear your visit was not the best, some people will never get it so stupid .

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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2018, 03:40:38 AM »
Yes indeed. Sadly most people who have been away for a time and return would agree with you. It's always been there and will always remain there. Belfast is much the same as many British cities and indeed suffers from the same problems, but has the added problem of sectarianism and bigotry. Some people think Belfast is great, fair enough, but equally some folk bury their heads in the sand and ignore the obvious.  ::)
good post jjmack yes some people can not help themselves .

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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2018, 03:49:38 AM »
Yes indeed. Sadly most people who have been away for a time and return would agree with you. It's always been there and will always remain there. Belfast is much the same as many British cities and indeed suffers from the same problems, but has the added problem of sectarianism and bigotry. Some people think Belfast is great, fair enough, but equally some folk bury their heads in the sand and ignore the obvious.  ::)

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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2018, 01:07:09 PM »
I think you are right. In any case, it is virtually impossible to avoid Belfast people concluding which religion you are from just normal conversation about any series of issues. This isn't necessarily bad, bigoted or sectarian - just emerges .People usually don't need to ask directly, it isn't necessary to be Sherlock Holmes. The more interesting question is why people are interested!

 There is this feeling that somehow or other the place was more civilised when people didn't talk overtly or discuss religion, education or politics. 'This used to be a great wee place [country] before. ' Cloud cuckoo land that one - it wasn't that these were not discussed - they weren't ALLOWED to be discussed openly. 'Smoke signals [were] loud-mouthed compared to us' - how healthy was that? Reverse of Carlberg - probably the most muted city in the world!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't think of a country I have been in for any period of time - including some holidays - where politics[theirs or ours or both] and religion [or atheism, humanism etc.] DID NOT come up at some point in a pub or club. It is the most natural thing in the world to discuss either or both. It would be natural also to discuss any of the items below - problem here is what people do or don't do with what is talked about.

What would be the suggested topics for our 'wee country' or city- the weather? work [where do you work etc]? football [which code - soccer GAA rugby?]; which team you support? education [which schools?]; where do you live? [designation by postcode]; the children? [schools,first communion, confirmation, Sunday School, scouts, BB, GB, GAA]. Sectarianism and bigotry or lack of it is in the eye of the beholder - stuff them!

Interesting post Doare and I get where you are coming from.

I have also travelled a lot but I never question people on their politics. Some can't help themselves, invariably socialists, finding a way to bring their politics into the equation. It's never at my bidding. It's always a conversational deal-breaker for me because I sure didn't travel to start arguing. You will never learn the truth of anything going anywhere in the space of a few weeks, but it always strikes me as strange how easily affirmed the socialists are. First and foremost with any stranger I am looking for personal warmth of character. I find that people who are warm of character are least likely to want to find fault. They are looking for positives. Like me. It is my feeling that such people will tell you much more about the 'soul' of any nation than some political hothead looking to educate or put one over on you.

There is no list of questions.

Like most people, I usually know very quickly if a stranger 'feels right'. It's instinctive.

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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2018, 01:16:52 PM »
each to their own Cookstown  just because i don't want to go to Belfast it doesn't mean I have forgotten my roots or am disparaging to  anyone from Belfast or anywhere in Ni .  if you have read any of my posts over theyears I ahve always said what a happy childhood I had and what great memories and that being brought up and lived in Belfast for the first 19 years of my life and it  helped make me who I am today. a very well balanced happy person .  as for London being the murder capital of the world I have lived here since January 1970 and never personally had any problems in fact I came her to escape the bombings I felt more in danger in Ni than anywhere in the  world that I have travelled to and that is many many countries and continents .
I was just relating  my experience .  Ifully understand that not everyone everywhere is a bad person and as for the parking fees in London I totally agree.  extortinate   legalised robbery...we travel by tube efficient and fast and can read my kindle on the way get to destination relaxed..  and at my age i get free travel so am out and about very often   YAY.  to free venues meeting friends and enjoying the many delights of London as you are all probably doing wherever you all live .  every place has good and bad    I wish and have always wished the people of Belfast and NI everything good .in fact many people come to visit me here and so far none of has been murdered or even spoken to harshly in fact we have all had a great time and they come back to visit ..as for the parking never take your car anywhere in central london which is a VAST area  you  pay a charge just for driving in !! never mind the parking charges   you  could fit the whole of  Belfast in my borough alone   just a comparison..
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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2018, 01:35:59 PM »
each to their own Cookstown  just because i don't want to go to Belfast it doesn't mean I have forgotten my roots or am disparaging to  anyone from Belfast or anywhere in Ni .  if you have read any of my posts over theyears I ahve always said what a happy childhood I had and what great memories and that being brought up and lived in Belfast for the first 19 years of my life and it  helped make me who I am today. a very well balanced happy person .  as for London being the murder capital of the world I have lived here since January 1970 and never personally had any problems in fact I came her to escape the bombings I felt more in danger in Ni than anywhere in the  world that I have travelled to and that is many many countries and continents .
I was just relating  my experience .  Ifully understand that not everyone everywhere is a bad person and as for the parking fees in London I totally agree.  extortinate   legalised robbery...we travel by tube efficient and fast and can read my kindle on the way get to destination relaxed..  and at my age i get free travel so am out and about very often   YAY.  to free venues meeting friends and enjoying the many delights of London as you are all probably doing wherever you all live .  every place has good and bad    I wish and have always wished the people of Belfast and NI everything good .in fact many people come to visit me here and so far none of has been murdered or even spoken to harshly in fact we have all had a great time and they come back to visit ..as for the parking never take your car anywhere in central london which is a VAST area  you  pay a charge just for driving in !! never mind the parking charges   you  could fit the whole of  Belfast in my borough alone   just a comparison..
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I love your posts, Miss Smythe. As you know, your journey was like mine. Never feel the need to justify yourself because all your posts about Belfast are detailed and self-explanatory. If others don't understand or 'get-it' that is their hard luck.

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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2018, 07:38:59 AM »


Even the downtown pubs are not the same any more, they give them a bit of a makeover and get in a load of 'craft beer' rubbish in and call themselves a trendy bar, just for the tourists I presume, there's only a couple of downtown bars where you can get a 'traditional pint' nowadays,,,,,they should just place a notice at the door stating "No clothe caps allowed"
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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2018, 09:27:34 AM »

Even the downtown pubs are not the same any more, they give them a bit of a makeover and get in a load of 'craft beer' rubbish in and call themselves a trendy bar, just for the tourists I presume, there's only a couple of downtown bars where you can get a 'traditional pint' nowadays,,,,,they should just place a notice at the door stating "No clothe caps allowed"
that's a shame use to be  good in town seams like a lot has changed .

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Re: What's Great About Belfast ?
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2018, 10:26:02 PM »
I love Belfast ... but i couldnt eat a whole one !   ;)
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