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James James

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Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« on: January 13, 2019, 09:14:41 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49GRnRJAhPU

"Belfast City Hall turns red in campaign by Irish language speakers"
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/belfast-city-hall-turns-red-in-campaign-by-irish-language-speakers-37705188.html

"Belfast City Hall has been illuminated in red in a show of support for those campaigning for greater protections for Irish language speakers in Northern Ireland."



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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2019, 08:06:52 AM »
When either side seeks to deny the other side's cultural history and their legitimate right to acknowledge and celebrate it,... and trys to turn it into a political propaganda tool, they also ignore and deny their own cultural history.

"19 April 2017"     "By Reverend Brian Kennaway"
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/orangemen-in-the-past-had-no-problem-with-the-irish-language-1-7923103

"Orangemen in the past had no problem with the Irish language"


"Scottish gaelic words on a blackboard."


"Now that some unionist politicians are to “listen to and engage with those from the Gaelic Irish background, people who genuinely love the Irish language and don’t want to use it as a political weapon”, perhaps they might like to reflect on some historical facts:"

"The language of the Gael was not a particular problem some 400 years ago when Presbyterians fled famine and persecution in Scotland and arrived in Ireland."

"In fact as the Presbyterian Church developed it was compulsory for ministers in the south and west of Ireland to be able to preach fluently in Irish."

"The first book printed in the Irish language did not appear until 1567. The Scottish reformer John Knox’s “Book of Common Order” was published in Edinburgh in Irish and Scottish Gaelic. In their written forms they were essentially the same language at that time."

"Many Protestants in the past had no difficulty with the Language of the Gael. Presbyterians in the past made a significant contribution to the advancement, preservation and revival of the Irish language."

"The Rev William Neilson, Presbyterian minister of Dundalk, was skilled in various languages, and in 1808 he produced the work for which he is remembered, An Introduction to the Irish Language, (Neilson’s Grammar), and the next year an Irish spelling book."

"Presbyterian Robert Shipboy McAdam, a collector of Irish literature and advocate of the Irish language gives his name to Cultúrlann McAdam Ó Fiaich on the Falls Road."

https://www.culturlann.ie/ga   Cultúrlann McAdam Ó Fiaich Béal Feirste


"Orangemen in the past had no problem with the Irish language. Many of you readers may recall ‘Ireland’s Heritage’ LOL No.1303, which existed in No.3 District within Belfast County from 1970 to 1982, carriying a banner with the Gaelic inscription ‘Oidhreacht Éireann’."



"Your readers, however,... may not recall the County Grand Master of Belfast Orangemen from 1885 to 1898, the Rev. Dr Richard Routledge Kane. Dr Kane was not only a great advocate of the Irish language but a patron of the Belfast Gaelic League, founded in 1895."

"It is said that he signed the minutes of lodge meetings in Irish. According to James Winder Good in Ulster & Ireland, he said, ‘My Orangeism does not make me less proud to be an O’Cahan.’ "

"The other side of the coin however requires to be considered. When Eamon de Valera made learning the Irish language compulsory in the Republic, it is reported that James Dillon TD accused him of making the Nation illiterate in two languages."

"In the past Sinn Fein politicians have not only made the issue of the Irish language a ‘political football’ but some are on record of stating that: ‘Every word of Irish spoken is like another bullet being fired in the struggle for Irish freedom’."

My note,... in my opinion they couldn't have been more wrong about that. !

"Given the connection between Sinn Fein and the IRA who fired lot of bullets into the unionist/Protestant community, this statement is hardly an endearing way of engaging the unionist community with the language, they themselves so often speak badly."

"The present situation in the Republic of Ireland, where there is a growing resentment, by both parents and students, at the imposition of Irish as a compulsory language, is worth considering."

"Are there not important lessons to be learnt by both those who support and those who oppose an Irish Language Act. ?"

My note,... I agree absolutely with that.

"In the present political climate, is an Irish Language Act really the best way of promoting and encouraging the learning and use of Irish. ?"

"The politicising of the Irish language by republicans has borne bitter fruit within the unionist community, where prejudice has fed on the propaganda which seeks to airbrush the Irish dimension from our history."

My note,... I also agree absolutely with that question and with both of those assertions.

"Brian Kennaway is author of The Orange Order: A tradition Betrayed"

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Orange-Order-Tradition-Betrayed/dp/0413775356

https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2006/jun/04/politics1




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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2019, 09:51:55 AM »


I'm all for cultural awareness and if learning a dead language is your thing stick with it.

Plenty study Latin

Cultural awareness is great but society needs forward thinking.

We don't move forwards by walking with our back to it.

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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2019, 07:10:13 AM »

I'm all for cultural awareness and if learning a dead language is your thing stick with it.

Plenty study Latin

Cultural awareness is great but society needs forward thinking.

We don't move forwards by walking with our back to it.

Stickler, wasn’t it your goodself who felt having street signs with Irish/English spelling somewhat culturally forward thinking for NI? Not trying to pull you up just intrigued by your response to a bit of red lighting promoting Irish language...
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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2019, 09:20:45 AM »
As that deep intellectual thinker Gregory Campbell said " curry my yoghurt "  :)
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The courageous deeds and sacrifices of the RUC and UDR must never be airbrushed from history .

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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2019, 08:40:19 PM »
Stickler, wasn’t it your goodself who felt having street signs with Irish/English spelling somewhat culturally forward thinking for NI? Not trying to pull you up just intrigued by your response to a bit of red lighting promoting Irish language...

I'm actually grateful that someone pays attention, NM.

Curry my yoghurt was a classic btw, imo  :D

I do believe that Irish streetsigns are a good thing because it espouses cultural diversity and offsets the risk of community violence imo. It creates a multicultural vibe which I think is very important to Belfast, especially. I am not sure that illuminating the City Hall as a gesture to the minority is the next step forward. There is already the LGBT rainbow. Where do we draw the line for political interference on the City Hall illuminations ?

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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2019, 02:42:18 AM »
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/beyond-brexit-conference-hard-border-will-lead-to-demands-for-unity-poll-says-mcdonald-37751943.html

"Beyond Brexit conference: Hard border will lead to demands for unity poll, says McDonald"
...

"Meanwhile Niall Murphy, a Belfast solicitor and co-organiser of the event, criticised the DUP’s opposition to an Irish language act."

"He described it as an example of the DUP’s “sneering contempt for parity of esteem”."

"He added: “Our language is an intrinsic part of all of our identity as citizens, yet we endure contemptuous taunts, such as Curry My Yoghurt and Crocodiles, and the cancellation of microscopic bursaries for the Donegal Gaeltacht.” "

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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2019, 05:16:54 AM »
I'm actually grateful that someone pays attention, NM.

Curry my yoghurt was a classic btw, imo  :D

I do believe that Irish streetsigns are a good thing because it espouses cultural diversity and offsets the risk of community violence imo. It creates a multicultural vibe which I think is very important to Belfast, especially. I am not sure that illuminating the City Hall as a gesture to the minority is the next step forward. There is already the LGBT rainbow. Where do we draw the line for political interference on the City Hall illuminations ?

What if the vast majority of people can't read or understand the street signs ?  ::)
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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2019, 06:10:02 AM »
I'm actually grateful that someone pays attention, NM.

Curry my yoghurt was a classic btw, imo  :D

I do believe that Irish streetsigns are a good thing because it espouses cultural diversity and offsets the risk of community violence imo. It creates a multicultural vibe which I think is very important to Belfast, especially. I am not sure that illuminating the City Hall as a gesture to the minority is the next step forward. There is already the LGBT rainbow. Where do we draw the line for political interference on the City Hall illuminations ?

It’s interesting as some of the streets in Brick Lane have dual language street names. I always found that one somewhat fascinating...

Personally, I am not overly fussed on drawing lines, I rather like the different light shows. Stormont seems to incorporate them a lot as well. Each to their own and all that...
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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2019, 05:49:23 PM »
Well,... speaking of which. !  ???

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/05/08/news/official-recognition-of-sign-language---both-british-and-irish---a-victim-of-stormont-stand-off-1323904/



At least, one possibly positive aspect of breaksit might be that it's given the local politicians something new to squabble divisively about.

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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2019, 06:31:10 PM »
What if the vast majority of people can't read or understand the street signs ?  ::)

The proposal is dual language streetnames, jjmack.

It might be a bit tricky for the postman at first but it's a small price to pay for community harmony.

You know as well as I do there is a major cultural division in N. Ireland. You simply can't exclude or sledgehammer a culture into submission. People don't roll that way. Life is complex enough without people insisting on bias against neighbours. Those of us born protestant have never had to ask for English language streetnames. They were there when we were born. It was taken for granted. But a few streets away, someone who was born catholic felt excluded because they read a different version of history. Both versions are true, so both should be represented.

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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2019, 02:37:55 AM »
The proposal is dual language streetnames, jjmack.

It might be a bit tricky for the postman at first but it's a small price to pay for community harmony.

You know as well as I do there is a major cultural division in N. Ireland. You simply can't exclude or sledgehammer a culture into submission. People don't roll that way. Life is complex enough without people insisting on bias against neighbours. Those of us born protestant have never had to ask for English language streetnames. They were there when we were born. It was taken for granted. But a few streets away, someone who was born catholic felt excluded because they read a different version of history. Both versions are true, so both should be represented.
A fair post. 👍

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Re: Belfast City Hall turned red yesterday
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2019, 12:44:38 AM »
http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2015/11/09/news/linda-ervine-i-gained-so-much-from-learning-the-irish-language-318630/

"Linda Ervine: I realised Irish belonged to me - a Protestant - and I fell in love with it"

"'Was I doing something wrong by learning Irish? Was I betraying something and if I was what was it I was betraying ?' "