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hen190782

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Workman Clark & The Great War
« on: January 28, 2019, 08:33:50 AM »
History Hub Ulster and the Belfast Titanic Society are undertaking a project about the Workman Clark shipyard in the Great War, with a view to publishing a book to coincide with the centenary of the dedication of the company's War Memorial.

As part of the research, I have identified and documented the details for 133 of the 136 fatalities named on the memorial but the details for three men have eluded me and I am hoping that an appeal on this forum will generate information.

These are the details on the memorial for the three men:
Rifleman Robert Dowey, 9th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles
Signaller William Patrick, Royal Engineers
Private Joseph Reeves, 3rd Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment

I look forward to seeing responses from members of the forum

Regards

Nigel Henderson
http://historyhubulster.co.uk/

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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2019, 11:32:07 AM »

I assumed you had searched the search engine for this website for each

I tried CWGC
Rifleman Robert Dowey, 9th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles not in CWGC

Signaller William Patrick, Royal Engineers not in CWGC there is a Joseph Patrick

Private Joseph Reeves, 3rd Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment

Private REEVES, J  in CWGC Service Number 4999 10th Bn. Royal Warwickshire Regiment
Private REEVES, J  in CWGC Service Number 17455 Died 29/04/1918 Aged 39 1st Bn.
Royal Warwickshire Regiment Husband of Clara Reeves, of 10, Sherbourne St., Coventry.

I tried eddies extracts eg http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~econnolly/genealogy/namesr.html

from 1911 census Ireland I suppose the Englishetc  census 1911 might give a further clue
possibles
Dowey   Robert   Vicinage Park   Clifton   Antrim   21   M
Dowey   Robert   Thompson's Street   Whitehouse   Antrim   29   M
Dowey   Robert Nicholas   Frederick Place   Lurgan Urban   Armagh   11   M
possibles
Patrick   William   Clogh Mills Town   Dundermot   Antrim   39
Patrick   William   Fortingale Street   Court Ward   Antrim   40
Patrick   William   Malvern Place   Court Ward   Antrim   22
Patrick   William   Ulicksmountain   Woodford   Galway   13
Patrick   William   Drumleggagh   Baronscourt   Tyrone   25
Patrick   William   Bridge Street   Omagh Urban   Tyrone   18
Patrick   Edward William   Skipper StreetSt. Anne's Ward   Antrim   53
Patrick   Malcolm William   Glandore Avenue   Duncairn   Antrim   28
Patrick   William Arthur   Ogilvie Street   Ormeau   Down   31
Patrick   William Charles   Tynan   Tynan   Armagh   49
Patrick   William CovfillMillmount RoadMullingar South Urban   Westmeath   41
Patrick Hynes   William   Brewery Lane   Ennis, No. 3 Urban   Clare   33
possibles
Reeves   J   Royal Barracks   Arran Quay   Dublin    he is on seperate form H? for arran quay to his young wife

I suppose the English etc  census 1911 might give a further clue
sorry seems disappointing

I also tried Ros Davies Co Down familyhistory without success

Public Record Office for Northern Ireland has items like
PRONI Reference :   BCT/8/2/42
Level :   Item
Access :   Open
Title :   Correspondence of Messrs Workman, Clark
Dates :   1918-1918
 


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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2019, 10:06:47 PM »
I tried CWGC         Private Joseph Reeves, 3rd Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment

Private REEVES, J  in CWGC Service Number 4999 10th Bn. Royal Warwickshire Regiment
Private REEVES, J  in CWGC Service Number 17455 Died 29/04/1918 Aged 39 1st Bn.
Royal Warwickshire Regiment Husband of Clara Reeves, of 10, Sherbourne St., Coventry.
4999   was JOHN       http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D4815143 

17455 was JOHN.      http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D4815144

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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2019, 11:15:26 PM »
History Hub Ulster and the Belfast Titanic Society are undertaking a project about the Workman Clark shipyard in the Great War, with a view to publishing a book to coincide with the centenary of the dedication of the company's War Memorial.

...  Nigel Henderson    http://historyhubulster.co.uk/   
You should submit your available information to the Imperial War Museum, for inclusion in this IWM record,...  https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/79953

Are you provably certain of the regimental name for  REEVES. ?

https://www.warmemorialsonline.org.uk/memorial/160875/

hen190782

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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2019, 12:10:56 PM »
Thanks for the replies.

James James:
It is on my list to submit the details to the IWM War Memorials website.
Whilst the photos I have are eroded, the names and regiments are clear for the three men.

JimG:
I have tried CWGC, Soldiers Died Great War, Register of Soldiers' Effects, Soldiers' Wills.
I will put the PRONI reference on my "To Do" list.

Thanks


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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2019, 01:35:32 PM »
Totally speculative and circumstantial of course,... but in the 1911 Irish Census,... there was only one person in Belfast with the surname Reeves and a forename beginning with J.

17 Loftus Street (Shankill, Antrim)

Reeves John age 25 Head of Family Presbyterian Born Belfast Driller Shipyard

Married for 2 years to Mary J. Reeves aged 25 with a 2 month old son William J. Reeves, both born in Belfast.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Loftus_Street/152020/

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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2019, 01:20:37 PM »
Totally speculative and circumstantial of course,... but in the 1911 Irish Census,... there was only one person in Belfast with the surname Reeves and a forename beginning with J.

17 Loftus Street (Shankill, Antrim)

Reeves John age 25 Head of Family Presbyterian Born Belfast Driller Shipyard

Married for 2 years to Mary J. Reeves aged 25 with a 2 month old son William J. Reeves, both born in Belfast.


Thanks, this looks promising ...

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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2019, 01:46:43 PM »
Totally speculative and circumstantial of course,... but in the 1911 Irish Census,... there was only one person in Belfast with the surname Reeves and a forename beginning with J.

17 Loftus Street (Shankill, Antrim)

Reeves John age 25 Head of Family Presbyterian Born Belfast Driller Shipyard

Married for 2 years to Mary J. Reeves aged 25 with a 2 month old son William J. Reeves, both born in Belfast.

The Belfast Street Directories for 1918 and 1924 both have the householder for 16 Loftus Street as "Reeves, John, Driller" :-(

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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2019, 09:04:03 PM »
Royal Warwickshire Regiment

3rd (Reserve) Battalion
August 1914 : in Warwick. A training unit, it remained in UK throughout the war. Moved to Portsmouth in August 1914, then to Parkhurst on the Isle of Wight. In Dover by November 1917.

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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2019, 08:14:40 PM »
Royal Warwickshire Regiment

3rd (Reserve) Battalion
August 1914 : in Warwick. A training unit, it remained in UK throughout the war. Moved to Portsmouth in August 1914, then to Parkhurst on the Isle of Wight. In Dover by November 1917.

I reckon he was recalled from Army Reserve into 3rd Battalion and then deployed to a Regular battalion or a Service battalion.

Nigel

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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2019, 10:42:49 PM »
The Army j Reeves was 39 when killed in 1918 giving a birth about 1879, the census for John Reeves was 25 in 1911 birth about 1886j  so caution is required

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2019, 11:25:43 PM »
The Army j Reeves was 39 when killed in 1918 giving a birth about 1879, the census for John Reeves was 25 in 1911 birth about 1886  so caution is required
Yes Jim, but you're talking about 17455 Reeves, J.  on the CWGC record
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/280554/reeves,-/

but according to his medal record card, which could be in error, his first name was John not Joseph.   http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D4815144

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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2019, 12:11:56 AM »
The information on the original memorial was obviously very detailed, might any documentary records of that have survived in an archive of the sculptor's documents, or of the shipyard owner who had the memorial created. ?
https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/123744-workman-war-memorial-by-sr-praegor/

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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2019, 08:30:44 AM »
The Army j Reeves was 39 when killed in 1918 giving a birth about 1879, the census for John Reeves was 25 in 1911 birth about 1886j  so caution is required

Thanks, Jim.  I had already ruled out the 1911 Census John Reeves as he was still listed as the householder in 1924 ... see above.

Nigel

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Re: Workman Clark & The Great War
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 02:57:36 AM »


The Irish artist who created the memorial.



"Photograph of Sophia Rosamond Praeger taken by Robert J. Welch at Slieve Glah in Co. Cavan, Ireland, in June 1896. Later Robert recalled this image of his sister ‘waist-deep in flowers’ "