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Dempsey84

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County Down
« on: January 30, 2019, 02:40:20 AM »
Hello, I was wondering if anyone has any photos of Cable Street, Belfast around 1896. My ancestors (the Crothers) lived at number 3 and Iíd just like to see what it was like in their day.
I am also looking for churches that would have been used in 1850s for marriages and baptism around County Down area, to help find records of William Crothers baptism.
Thank you for any help you can provide.



CMcG

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Re: County Down
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2019, 12:06:23 PM »
Hello.  :)   Belfast street directories indicate that a Robert Barnes and family lived at 3 Cable Street for quite some time before your year reference and at least until 1901 (Barnes is at that address in the 1901 census).  What is the source of your 1896 Crothers reference?


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Re: County Down
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2019, 10:54:41 PM »
Hello.  :)   Belfast street directories indicate that a Robert Barnes and family lived at 3 Cable Street for quite some time before your year reference and at least until 1901 (Barnes is at that address in the 1901 census).  What is the source of your 1896 Crothers reference?

My David Crothers married Helen Barnes and also lived at 3 Cable St in 1896. His marriage record lists this as his residence. Robert Barnes was Helenís father.
I will check the census as you suggest. Hopefully the Crothers family lived in the same region before David married Helen. I assume people didnít move around a lot back then, sticking to marrying within their region?

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2019, 12:24:34 AM »
The 1896 marriage record names the groom's father as William. The 1901 and 1911 census indicate that David James Crothers was born in Belfast c. 1869, also that he had a brother Thomas born in Belfast c. 1865:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward__Belfast/Chichester_Street/974353/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Whitla/133139/

The following has to be a possibility for a birth, David James born to William Crothers and Esther Corbett of Stanley Street in September 1868:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03422/2255616.pdf

Brother Thomas was born in Stanley Street in March 1865:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03576/2318019.pdf

Bachelor William Crothers of Dromara, a 31 year old weaver, son of William Crothers a weaver, married spinster Essy Corbett, daughter of David Cobbett a weaver, on 16 September 1854 in Lisburn.


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Re: County Down
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2019, 01:22:37 AM »
Looks like a family grave here:

https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=M&GraveNumber=383&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery

Belfast Telegraph, 27 October 1924:
CROTHERS - October 26, 1924, at her residence, The Fire Station, Whitla Street, Kathleen, dearly loved daughter of David and Helen Crothers.  Her remains will be removed for interment in the City Cemetery, on Tuesday, 28th inst ... Deeply regretted by her Sister, Mrs. COGHLAN and her Brother, ALBERT CROTHERS, Victoria, Australia ... by her loving Sister and Brother-in-law, HESTER AND JOHN MCKEE, 30 London Road.


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Re: County Down
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2019, 07:36:51 AM »
Thank you all for the information.
 I believe you all have the correct info as relative names, places and dates are adding up.
Esther Corbett was also known as Essy so it all fits.
Now I need to track down my McKee side. John McKee married Hester Crothers around 1920 and his last Belfast address was also Whitla Fire Station. Iíve tried irishgeneaology.ie but I find it hard to navigate.
I appreciate everyoneís help, thanks

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Re: County Down
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2019, 08:51:37 AM »
John McKee married Hester Crothers in 1918 (link below), unfortunately the address was just given as Belfast, so not a lot to go on there, however there are some clues in John's occupation (engineer) and his father John's occupation (driller):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09708/5521878.pdf

I wondered about the following folk in the 1901 census, father John was stated as a driller and there was a 5 year old son John in the household:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton/Old_Park_Road/962741/

By 1911, John junior was being described as an apprentice engineer:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Bray_Street/175941/

The couple in the above census returns were John McKee and Ellen Walker, here was their son John's birth in 1896: 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02186/1827304.pdf

John Laverty McKee and Ellen Walker married in St. Enoch's Presbyterian Church in 1895:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10513/5829239.pdf

John McKee was shown as a widower in the above 1895 marriage record, he was previously married to Anne Williamson in 1888 and had several children (including the daughter Mary Jane shown in the above 1901 census return) before his wife Anne died in 1893.

Does any of that ring any bells to suggest that it's the right folk?


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Re: County Down
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2019, 02:58:21 AM »
CMcG thank you so much for all that information. I have confirmed all of the documents you provided and you have helped me further along on my family tree. I truly appreciate it.
Iíve made my way back to John Laverty McKeeís father Alexander who married Mary Laverty. Now Iím trying to track down their documentation. Thanks so much for the help getting me this far

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Re: County Down
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2019, 08:30:42 AM »
You're welcome, I see you've also seen the information I posted on the other topic (below), that's good:

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,69056.15.html