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Toner - Hughes - loughran -
« on: March 28, 2019, 11:24:26 AM »


http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Lisnadill/Ballymacanab/323346/

My Dads Birth Mother was named as Mary Toner - thatís the only information we have!

My dad was born July 1928 in a Mother and Baby Home Castlereagh Road Belfast.

His DNA results show a very strong connection to this area in Armagh plus the Surnames - Loughran - Hughes - Brennan
 
I came across the above census recently but unable to unravel the connections!

Any help would be most helpful.

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Re: Toner - Hughes - loughran -
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2019, 03:49:55 AM »
Specifically looking at the 40 year old Mary Ann Loughran in the census return you provided, my best guess (and it is just a guess) is that she was born Mary Ann Toner in Armagh in 1867 to parents James Toner and Mary Trodden (who married in Armagh in 1865):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03488/2281834.pdf

Regardless of whether the birth is correct, the next three marriages do seem to tie together, firstly, spinster Mary Ann Toner married Charles Trodden in Belfast in 1900:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10342/5765226.pdf

The couple in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Smithfield/Alexander_Street_West/972547/

Charles Trodden died in 1902:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05705/4609277.pdf

Then widow Mary Ann Trodden married Bernard Toner in Armagh in 1904:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10112/5679084.pdf

Bernard Toner died in 1905:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05596/4572816.pdf

Then widow Mary Ann Toner married James Loughran in 1911:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09934/5611759.pdf


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Re: Toner - Hughes - loughran -
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2019, 04:09:53 AM »
If I am right on the birth (ie. if it is the correct Mary Ann Toner), then this is her family in 1901 and 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Lisnadill/Foley/1015045/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Lisnadill/Foley/323416/


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Re: Toner - Hughes - loughran -
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2019, 11:00:31 AM »
CMcG

Thank you so much for all this! You always go the extra mile to post detailed answers - it's very much appreciated.

The 3 Marriages within in such a short space of time gives me some idea of the family history here and of course circumstances that unfolded through the passing of time.

CMcG. Would you have any idea How the Niece Mary Toner Age 8 in the 1911 Census ended up with them? and would you be able to know where or what happened to her?

This paper trail looks promising but it will take further in-depth research. The area from DNA confirmation is spot on the Surnames within one family are also spot on! Certainly a good paper trail thus far for opening a door.

I'll try and get to the Chapel in that area over the weekend to see if I can find out further information.

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2019, 10:27:00 AM »
The presence of 8 year old Mary Toner in house 2 in Ballymacanab in 1911 might have been nothing more meaningful than simply visiting her Aunt Mary Ann Loughran, the rest of her siblings (bar Bernard, I couldn't readily find him) were contemporaneously living with their parents at 166 Old Lodge Road in Belfast:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Old_Lodge_Road/149321/

I could find no trace of the 8 year old Mary Toner after 1911 in terms of a marriage (ie. with a father recorded as James who is a butcher) or a death up to 1921.  There is no baptismal record online for her, which might have indicated a subsequent marriage. Mary Toner was a common enough name, although distinguished in this case by the middle names Elizabeth Euphemia. Her parents and siblings lived at 95 Millfield for several decades (1920s-40s), I can see marriages for Mary's brothers James and Joseph, but as I said, nothing for her, but coverage of records in the websites I subscribe to is by no means comprehensive.


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Re: Toner - Hughes - loughran -
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2019, 09:18:13 PM »
CMcG.

Thank you for the above information on Mary Age 8 on the Census.

Mary didn't Marry - she didn't return to Belfast permanently other than a visit now and again, she continued to live with her Aunt Mary Laughlan in Lisnadill, so she clearly was more at home there than back with her family in Belfast. I also had the privilege to visit her Grave today and it was lovely to see she is buried with her Aunt and her Husband James..

So her full name was Mary Elizabeth Euphemia Toner - I shall look for her Birth Record next time in PRONI.

I SO appreciate all the Work you've committed here! it really has opened up a door that could lead to answers my Dad has been looking answers to for over 90years - there's just no words! Thank you Sir!

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Re: Toner - Hughes - loughran -
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2019, 09:49:33 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2019, 05:26:15 PM »
Many Thanks CMcG.

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