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Deemc

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New info on Campbell family
« on: June 22, 2019, 09:29:03 PM »
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Evening everyone!!!![/font]
Iíve posted before on my brickwall but some new things have came to light. [/font]

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Iíve been searching for Joseph Campbell Born in Co Louth who was on 1911 census as living at 97 Leopold St Belfast. [/font]
Then later at 363 Hooker Street Belfast. [/font]

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At PRONI I saw he was born in 51 Lisburn Road Belfast, but his ( I assume is his) birth cert reads [/font]
27th May 1906 name -ó [/font]
fathers name Peter[/font]
Mothers name Rose formerly Loughlin. [/font]
Baptised 2nd June 1906 by Rev T McGowan [/font]

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Trip to GRONI[/font]
NO record of Joseph anywhere....[/font]
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Found a Owen Campbell [/font]
Born 6th June 1908 to Peter & Rose Armagh[/font]
Died 27th January 1910 41 Crumlin Rd Belfast. [/font]

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Peter Campbell snr died May 1905 in Workhouse Ardee[/font]
There was already an Owen Campbell in this family who was born 7th February 1890 died 13 th October 1897 Workhouse Ardee. [/font]

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Please can anyone help here?? [/font]


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Re: New info on Campbell family
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2019, 11:40:38 PM »
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Re: New info on Campbell family
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2019, 09:00:42 PM »

So far I have gathered the family history as

Peter Campbell b~1851 aged 50 in 1901 census Co Louth a Farm Labourer in 1901 census] d May 1905 in Workhouse Ardee co Louth.. Peter and wife Rose have disabilities,  the 1901 census enumerator says read [but not write] Peter puts his mark The family is Roman Catholic m ~1889 location unknown- Rose Campbell nee Loughlin [b~1871 Co Louth , 1901 census says aged 30.]  Co Louth Houskeeper 1901    an irish lace maker in 1911c
residences 1901 Census st number 27 John Street (Ardee Urban, Louth)
residences 1911 Census st number 97 Leopold Street (part of) (Shankill, Antrim)
street directory Hooker St
1912 61. Campbell, Margaret Jane
1912 67. Campbell, Robt., labourer
1918 none
1924 none
1939 63  Campbell Mrs was this Josephs wife? or perhaps Roberts widow
c h i l d r e n {Rose in 1911 or enumerator says 7 children b and 7 living]
1. Margaret Campbell b~1889 can Read and write
2. Owen Campbell b 7th February 1890   d 13th October 1897 Workhouse Ardee
3. Patrick Campbell b~1892   Cannot read   becomes a labourer in 1911c
4. Catherine Campbell b ~ 1895 becomes Yarn Doffer Mill Hand   in 1911c
5. Bridget /Bridgid [1911c] Campbell b ~1898 Co Louth
6. Rose/ Roseanna [1911c] Campbell b~1900 Co Louth
7. Peter Campbell b~1904 Co Louth Read and write
Special notes inserted Peter Campbell Senior d.May 1905 in Workhouse Ardee
When did Rose Campbell bring the family to Belfast
8?. Joseph Campbell b 27th May1906 Co Louth  -born 51 Lisburn road Belfast The Union Workhouse Have you full birth details Are the parents listed in any baptismal record.  The father cannot be Peter  d May 1905 in Workhouse Ardee co Louth, so has Rose a new partner.  CMcG entry is the civic listing of births at 41 has unnamed male  and father Peter with no address so a baptismal entry would help.
9? Owen Campbell b 6th June 1908 to Campbell Armagh d 27th January 1910 41 Crumlin Rd Belfast. The father cannot be Peter  d May 1905 in Workhouse Ardee co Louth, so has Rose a new partner. the information you have for Owen says born to Peter & Rose Armagh
Are they travellers, or is it much simpler and Rose is really confused with her life events
or is she is not connected to one or both children 8 and 9
notes    51 Lisburn Road Belfast  Union Workhouse -, master; matron etc
notes   41 Crumlin Rd Belfast. 1908-1912 strete directoriesthe numbering from No 37 includes the following before No 53
37-?.   House of Mercy - Under ..Sisters of Mercy
?-?.     St. Paul's Convent
?-?.        St. Patrick's Orphanage and Industrial School - Patron, etc
?-?.    Mater Infirmorum Hospital, under .Sisters of Mercy Ė etc       
?-51.   County Antrim Prison - Governor, etc
So left with checking every Belfast street directory in libraries
Have you exhausted https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ for each bmd for further detail
Have you exhausted http://www.belfastcemeterysearch.com/milltown/wp-login.php?action=register which appears to be upgrading its website see registering . 
 I can go no further than the questions raised and hoping I havenít made too many mistakes in the family tree draft above
good luck

Deemc

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Re: New info on Campbell family
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2019, 11:26:17 AM »
[Thank you for all this Information I really appreciate it.
Now to answer....

Peter & Rose weíre married April 1887 in Roman Catholic Chapel of Dunker, Ardee Co Louth. Rose maiden name was given as Loughran

They had 7 children from 1888 until 1902 all born in Co Louth.

Margaret  born 1888
Owen born 1890
Patrick born 1892
Catherine born 1894
Bridgid/ Bridget born 1897
Roseanna/ Rose / Rosanne born 1900
Peter born 1902

Their addresses at that time were Workhouse / John St / New Road Ardee.
Owen died 1897 aged 7 address given as Workhouse Ardee.
Peter  ( Rag dealer) died 1905 age 54 address Workhouse Ardee
Both Owen & Peter graves I have not found.

Rose (snr) I have Information from PRONI that she was resident at Union Workhouse Lisburn Road Belfast from May to August 1906
On the Record of births at this address it is shown she gave birth to a son 27th /  28th May 1906 # in register is shown as 180 D
Baby was baptised 2nd June 1906 by Rev T McGowan.
This child cannot be Peters son yet further down the years he is noted as being born in Co Louth.
The 1911 census shows name Joseph Campbell but it is written in on pencil if you look closely.

Owen # 2 born 6th June 1908 Armagh ( pre - 1973 Q4)
Died 27th January 1910 register of death Belfast Urban 10 County Antrim
Mother Rose nee Loughran
Father Peter deceased. Labourer
Address given as 41 Crumlin Road Belfast.
Again this son could not have been Peters.

Rose (Snr) died June 1953 address given as 363 Crumlin Rd, grave bought by son J Campbell

Roseanne died Feb 1971 address given as Unity Walk Belfast.
Peter (jnr) died 1974 address given as Unity Flats.
Informant on these 2 was Margaret Campbell Sister in law 11 Thames Street Belfast.

I really donít know if they were a Travelling Family as I only knew Margaret briefly and then had contact with Roseanne & Peter until early 70ís.

I have marriages of
Patrick , Catherine & Bridget.
Roseanne & Peter never married.

Rose, Roseanne & Peter are all buried together in Belfast.
 
 
Catherine grave I have just found in Belfast.
 I am still searching grave places for Patrick & Bridget.   

Joseph is a complete mystery, I ask did he change his name? Was he known by another name? Married? Died?
Owen I am still searching for any information on grave site.

Rose (snr) maiden name been given as Loughran or Loughlin on different family documents.

I appreciate all the time you have taken to help me.

One of the children died quote author=JimG link=topic=76832.msg2144000#msg2144000 date=1561406442]
So far I have gathered the family history as

Peter Campbell b~1851 aged 50 in 1901 census Co Louth a Farm Labourer in 1901 census] d May 1905 in Workhouse Ardee co Louth.. Peter and wife Rose have disabilities,  the 1901 census enumerator says read [but not write] Peter puts his mark The family is Roman Catholic m ~1889 location unknown- Rose Campbell nee Loughlin [b~1871 Co Louth , 1901 census says aged 30.]  Co Louth Houskeeper 1901    an irish lace maker in 1911c
residences 1901 Census st number 27 John Street (Ardee Urban, Louth)
residences 1911 Census st number 97 Leopold Street (part of) (Shankill, Antrim)
street directory Hooker St
1912 61. Campbell, Margaret Jane
1912 67. Campbell, Robt., labourer
1918 none
1924 none
1939 63  Campbell Mrs was this Josephs wife? or perhaps Roberts widow
c h i l d r e n {Rose in 1911 or enumerator says 7 children b and 7 living]
1. Margaret Campbell b~1889 can Read and write
2. Owen Campbell b 7th February 1890   d 13th October 1897 Workhouse Ardee
3. Patrick Campbell b~1892   Cannot read   becomes a labourer in 1911c
4. Catherine Campbell b ~ 1895 becomes Yarn Doffer Mill Hand   in 1911c
5. Bridget /Bridgid [1911c] Campbell b ~1898 Co Louth
6. Rose/ Roseanna [1911c] Campbell b~1900 Co Louth
7. Peter Campbell b~1904 Co Louth Read and write
Special notes inserted Peter Campbell Senior d.May 1905 in Workhouse Ardee
When did Rose Campbell bring the family to Belfast
8?. Joseph Campbell b 27th May1906 Co Louth  -born 51 Lisburn road Belfast The Union Workhouse Have you full birth details Are the parents listed in any baptismal record.  The father cannot be Peter  d May 1905 in Workhouse Ardee co Louth, so has Rose a new partner.  CMcG entry is the civic listing of births at 41 has unnamed male  and father Peter with no address so a baptismal entry would help.
9? Owen Campbell b 6th June 1908 to Campbell Armagh d 27th January 1910 41 Crumlin Rd Belfast. The father cannot be Peter  d May 1905 in Workhouse Ardee co Louth, so has Rose a new partner. the information you have for Owen says born to Peter & Rose Armagh
Are they travellers, or is it much simpler and Rose is really confused with her life events
or is she is not connected to one or both children 8 and 9
notes    51 Lisburn Road Belfast  Union Workhouse -, master; matron etc
notes   41 Crumlin Rd Belfast. 1908-1912 strete directoriesthe numbering from No 37 includes the following before No 53
37-?.   House of Mercy - Under ..Sisters of Mercy
?-?.     St. Paul's Convent
?-?.        St. Patrick's Orphanage and Industrial School - Patron, etc
?-?.    Mater Infirmorum Hospital, under .Sisters of Mercy Ė etc       
?-51.   County Antrim Prison - Governor, etc
So left with checking every Belfast street directory in libraries
Have you exhausted https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ for each bmd for further detail
Have you exhausted http://www.belfastcemeterysearch.com/milltown/wp-login.php?action=register which appears to be upgrading its website see registering . 
 I can go no further than the questions raised and hoping I havenít made too many mistakes in the family tree draft above
good luck

JimG

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Re: New info on Campbell family
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2019, 06:07:20 PM »

First, you have worked so hard on this family, donít give up just yet.Second, thanks for your further detailed reply

ďRose (Snr) died June 1953 address given as 363 Crumlin Rd grave bought by son J Campbell ď
could there be any more information from tombstone? a burial book ? or a death certificate?

I trawled unsuccessfully for more information in street directories
1951  Address 363 Crumlin Rd from http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk
361. Thompson, Mrs.
363. Abernethy, A. B., labourer
365. McCartney, Mrs. I.
1951  Address 363 Crumlin Rd from http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk
361. Thompson, Mrs.
363. Abernethy, A. B., labourer
365. McCartney, Mrs. I.
1960 1951  Address 363 Crumlin Rd from http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk
361. Thompson, John, fitter
363. Crawley, Mrs. J.
365. McCartney, Mrs. I.
I remain worried that the number 363 is typo somewhere and it was 63 Crumlin road the prison not the workhouse

negative results from Belfast burial at https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/
Wm   Campbell   23 Years   12 March 1921   bur 15 March 1921   City Cemetery 23 years  d 12 Mar 1921 last address 19 conventiom St
Joseph   Campbell   2 Mos   15 January 1901   bur 17 January 1901   City Cemetery
last address   8 Arundel Street

50 years ago the Linenhall Library had a nearly complete run of Belfast newsletter directories
the irish news I thought had a historical index available

did you get Josephs military record
is it clear enough what you seeking
lets hope you pick up more replies
fingers crossed


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Re: New info on Campbell family
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2019, 08:33:10 PM »
Thank you JimG for your encouragement it means a lot to me. I have come too far to give up now I just hope someone or something comes up.

There was no tombstone, it was an unmarked grave for them, I am working at it and have managed to have it marked with a plaque of remembrance.
The grave is in Milltown Cemetery and so is Catherineís.

Obituary notice for Rose,  gave address as 363 Crumlin Rd as place of death her residence, remains were removed from Holy Cross church to Milltown. The Rev Fr Henry C.P Holy Cross Ardoyne officiated.

On Thanks acknowledgement for Rose address is also given as 363 Crumlin Rd.

Linenhall library have a series of street directories and I have went through them quite a bit, on directory heading
 Crumlin Rd  on page 187
further down the list it states residents for Ewart Row 295 - 307, Flax Street 309 - 335, Then Brookfield Spinning Mill,  Brookfield Street 337 -345 then Kilpatrick J & Co Publican, Hooker Street 347 - 349 Harvey Thos Fruitr.
351 and so on....

363 states occupant as Campbell Joseph Labourer.... 
Could this be the mix up possibly with 363 Crumlin rd ???

I donít have or know about a Military Record for Joseph, is their one??

Thank you again for all your help.
First, you have worked so hard on this family, donít give up just yet.Second, thanks for your further detailed reply

ďRose (Snr) died June 1953 address given as 363 Crumlin Rd grave bought by son J Campbell ď
could there be any more information from tombstone? a burial book ? or a death certificate?

I trawled unsuccessfully for more information in street directories
1951  Address 363 Crumlin Rd from http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk
361. Thompson, Mrs.
363. Abernethy, A. B., labourer
365. McCartney, Mrs. I.
1951  Address 363 Crumlin Rd from http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk
361. Thompson, Mrs.
363. Abernethy, A. B., labourer
365. McCartney, Mrs. I.
1960 1951  Address 363 Crumlin Rd from http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk
361. Thompson, John, fitter
363. Crawley, Mrs. J.
365. McCartney, Mrs. I.
I remain worried that the number 363 is typo somewhere and it was 63 Crumlin road the prison not the workhouse

negative results from Belfast burial at https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/
Wm   Campbell   23 Years   12 March 1921   bur 15 March 1921   City Cemetery 23 years  d 12 Mar 1921 last address 19 conventiom St
Joseph   Campbell   2 Mos   15 January 1901   bur 17 January 1901   City Cemetery
last address   8 Arundel Street

50 years ago the Linenhall Library had a nearly complete run of Belfast newsletter directories
the irish news I thought had a historical index available

did you get Josephs military record
is it clear enough what you seeking
lets hope you pick up more replies
fingers crossed

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Re: New info on Campbell family
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2019, 11:50:02 AM »
Oops apologies ' a Military Record for Joseph' i was having a muddle with a different Joseph Campbell

thanks for confirming 363 Crumlin road existed for Rose

You engineering a plaque of remembrance for Rose is a wonderful act.

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Re: New info on Campbell family
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2019, 06:34:28 PM »
Hi everyone,
Does anyone remember  a family Cusack from Thames Street especially a Margaret, ie where she married or when. I do know she had no family when married.
She had a brother John but I think he moved to England.