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McIlmail mother and son
« on: July 10, 2019, 11:55:19 AM »
Hi, this is the 1900 birth record of John Patrick McIlmail , mother Kate McIlmail.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01988/1765275.pdf

I cannot find any record of Kate being born from 1865 onwards, nor can I find either of them in the 1901 or 1911 censuses. I found a reference to a John Patrick McIlmail, aged 18, in a list of RAF airmen in 1918 with a 'contact' address of Killough , County Down. It seems reasonable to assume this is the same child. Also the surname McIlmail (and McIlmale) is 'associated' with that area. 

Any thoughts?

Paul.

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Re: McIlmail mother and son
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2019, 01:45:51 PM »
I struggled finding anything in the censuses, I wondered about the following woman and if John Patrick was maybe given up for adoption or something like that... pure speculation:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Killough/Bright/1229207/

Anyhow, all I can offer is a bit more detail from the RAF record.  It gives his birth date as 28 June 1900, so it pretty well HAS to be him given that it's so close.  His birthplace is recorded as Killough, which could suggest that his mother was from there (and maybe travelled up to Belfast in the months before the birth, again speculation). He started in the RAF on 9 November 1918 and was discharged after 10 days on 18 November. His civilian occupation was 'iron polisher'. Marriage details were blank, so I'm assuming single. The person to be informed if he were to be a casualty was Kathleen, his mother, at 22 South Parade Belfast. He was 5'9", had a 29" chest, fair hair, blue eyes, pale complexion, he had a mole on both forearms and a small brown stain on the front of his abdomen. His address on discharge was 52 Wellington Street, Lurgan.

South Parade was a fairly well-to-do street in that era, a customs official called Andrew Adams and his family were at no. 22 then, they wouldn't have 'needed' a boarder, so I wondered if Kathleen was in service as a domestic or something like that - once again, just speculation).

Given that his discharge was to Lurgan, I wondered about the following death in 1920 in Lurgan Infirmary, this chap lived some miles to the north in the townland of Aghagallon, and OK, the forenames are reversed, but the age is absolutely spot on and given how relatively uncommon the surname is...
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1920/05133/4413756.pdf

I have to head out now, but I'll have a look again later, in the interim maybe fresh eyes will turn up something in the 1911 census or something else to give you some traction.


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Re: McIlmail mother and son
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2019, 04:36:53 PM »

I struggled finding anything in the censuses, I wondered about the following woman and if John Patrick was maybe given up for adoption or something like that... pure speculation:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Killough/Bright/1229207/    ...


Following up on the above possibility, this looks like a possible birth for 'Katie':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02900/2062420.pdf

Although I can't yet see a civil record, a marriage of a John McIlmeel and a Susanna Murray definitely took place on 11 May 1876 in the RC parish of Tyrella and Ballykinlar (Dundrum), the witnesses were Joseph Fitzpatrick and Mary McIlmeel (right page, 5th entry down): 
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633101#page/65/mode/1up


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Re: McIlmail mother and son
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2019, 05:31:55 PM »
As always CMcG,thanks for your time and effort, and the information provided. I'm surprised I missed the birth of Catherine McIlmale in Bright in 1879,tired eyes maybe?
I fear it is going to be difficult to say with any certainty if we have found the correct timeline for John Patrick (apart from the RAF record),given the various spellings of the surname.

Paul.