Author Topic: Farewell Harland and Wolff  (Read 2359 times)

JohnKelly

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Re: Farewell Harland and Wolff
« Reply #45 on: August 10, 2019, 02:10:19 PM »
Given the modern massive ships that currently sail the oceans that had to be built somewhere, I'm wondering why H and W did not win any of these contracts.

The Australian Government called for international tenders to design and build 12 submarines worth billions of dollars, the contract was awarded to the French; did H and W submit a tender?

Could the Australian Shipyards not win the Contract to build their own Subs    ??? ::) ::)

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_shipyards

The Australian Government has announced that French company DCNS has been selected to build the navy's new submarines and construction will take place in Adelaide.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said the commitment to an Australian build will create a sustainable Australian naval shipbuilding industry and provide the certainty that industry requires to invest in innovation and technology and grow its workforce.

"This $50 billion investment will directly sustain around 1100 Australian jobs and a further 1700 Australian jobs through the supply chain," he said.

Source: https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/News/submarine-contract-goes-adelaide-and-france

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ2dtI86dzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD3SkTyXzcE

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BLOOMFIELD

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Re: Farewell Harland and Wolff
« Reply #46 on: August 10, 2019, 09:27:47 PM »
Makes one wonder who actually built the 1,600 ships over the last 150 years ? What you describe above was common practice in any UK shipyard. It wasn't exclusive to Harland & Wolff. :D

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It is the same where any people work, anywhere. ... everywhere ::) ::)    There are always some Thieves and Feather- bedders everywhere.

In any Business , Shipyard ,  Shop  , Docks , Supermarket , Parliament  etc,.

 I'm sure it happened in the " Yard '' , but not to the exaggerated extent that has been posted here --- it appears to be an example of   

 Slanderous Journalistic License Posting ...  :haha: :whistle: :whistle: .

NO Business would by able to produce anything , with the conditions  listed in the Posting.

Anywhere I have worked on " Shrift work " ( In Belfast or Canada ) there was always strict attention by Day Shift Supervision to the amount of

work done / or not done, by those on Night Shift  --  it was a case of  Day Shift Managers " Covering THEIR  a $$ " if something went wrong
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Re: Farewell Harland and Wolff
« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2019, 11:36:15 PM »
Again any past workers,interested parties or just people with a fleeting glimpse of our great yard,pay a visit on Sunday the 11th August,everyone welcome.12 noon

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Re: Farewell Harland and Wolff
« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2019, 12:18:19 AM »
The workforce are after support,so please come along,America,Australia,Germany,Poland ,Czech rep and whole of Ireland north and south are pledging support.a little goes a long way

JohnKelly

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Re: Farewell Harland and Wolff
« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2019, 02:50:05 AM »
Again any past workers,interested parties or just people with a fleeting glimpse of our great yard,pay a visit on Sunday the 11th August,everyone welcome.12 noon

Would be well worth a visit but highly unlikely given that the majority of forum members do not live in Northern Ireland and are probably thankful for that.

As in any business there are always reasons for failure, here is a couple of articles which I found gave some of the background and I am sure there are many more,

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49234995

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-harland-and-wolff-decline-and-fall-1.3980945

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Re: Farewell Harland and Wolff
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2019, 07:50:57 AM »
Would be well worth a visit but highly unlikely given that the majority of forum members do not live in Northern Ireland and are probably thankful for that.

As in any business there are always reasons for failure, here is a couple of articles which I found gave some of the background and I am sure there are many more,

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49234995

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-harland-and-wolff-decline-and-fall-1.3980945

The reasons that H & W failed , are because the Government was not willing to give subsidies, over supply of new shipbuilding capacity,

and lower ASIAN WAGES.

    https://wolfstreet.com/2018/07/07/big-three-korean-shipbuilders-in-a-world-of-overcapacity-and-collapsed-orders/

"subsidies decreased shipyard costs in China by between 13% and 20% between 2006 and 2012. These policy interventions have led to

substantial misallocation of global production with no significant consumer surplus gains. Japan, in particular, has lost market share"

    https://thediplomat.com/2014/10/chinas-subsidized-shipbuilding/

   https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Government+subsidies+to+ASIAN+SHIPBUILDERS.&t=ffnt&ia=web
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Re: Farewell Harland and Wolff
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2019, 10:16:00 PM »
Seems the Administrators have several potential buyers who look like carrying Harland & Wolff forward as it is now. Good for you, I say. Belfast NEEDS a Harland & Wolff, period.  :clapping: :clapping:
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