Author Topic: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village  (Read 808 times)

BelfastGal2019

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Would anybody have any information about the Cunninghams of Kitchener Street? I'm researching my Belfast family tree. I believe the parents were Susan and Robert... Thanks in advance.

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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2019, 10:53:34 PM »
The Belfast street directories from 1943 to 1960 available on the Lennon Wylie website show the following entry for Kitchener Street:

100. Cunningham, Robt., driller

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/index.htm

A Robert Robinson Cunningham and Susan Cunningham who died in the 1960s are buried in grave J1 621 of Belfast City Cemetery Glenalina Extension, together with two young children Victoria and Jacqueline Cunningham who died in the 1940s, the last residence for all was given as 100 Kitchener Street:

https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=J1&GraveNumber=621&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension

Given the name Robert Robinson Cunningham and the reported age at death, the one that immediately presents itself in the 1911 Ireland census is the following one, the son of William John Cunningham and Mary Elizabeth Herron:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Lisavon_Street/230976/

Robert's birth:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01658/1661215.pdf

Same family in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Crimea_Street/948128/


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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2019, 11:42:52 PM »
This looks like the Cunningham - Herron marriage in 1900, both fathers recorded as sailors:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10332/5761618.pdf


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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2019, 12:11:08 AM »



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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2019, 12:15:20 AM »



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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2019, 01:43:55 AM »
I'm struggling with Robert Robinson Cunningham's wife.  I know he married a Susan Barr in St. Anne's Cathedral Belfast on Christmas Day 1929, that she was the daughter of James Barr a labourer, and that the then residence was 46 Baker Street. Susan's reported age at death would place her birth year c. 1908 and the only one I could find so far is a daughter to James Barr and Susan Neeson, as in the following:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01658/1661258.pdf

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Smithfield/Bow_Street/185343/

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10315/5755106.pdf
   
But there's nothing else yet to tie these folk in more conclusively, so just to note as a possibility.


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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2019, 09:41:49 AM »
Thank you for the extremely helpful information. I uncovered some of the more recent burial records, I think there was also an unnamed female child who died in 1935. Sheís in the public burial ground at the city cemetery. Robert & Susanís listed address is 86 Rockview Street. So presumably they lived there before Kitchener Street.

I knew about the Barr link on the Falls Road, but your research is light years ahead of mine.

I was interested to see the ĎRobinsoní in Robertís name and had assumed it was the Motherís maiden name. But as it was Herron itís not the case! I wonder where the Robinson came from??


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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2019, 01:01:59 AM »

... Given the name Robert Robinson Cunningham and the reported age at death, the one that immediately presents itself in the 1911 Ireland census is the following one, the son of William John Cunningham and Mary Elizabeth Herron:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Lisavon_Street/230976/


Given the name of one of the sons in the above 1911 census return, it seemed likely to me that the Thomas Dickson Cunningham in the following 1898 marriage was a brother of the William John Cunningham who married Mary Elizabeth Herron:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10432/5798551.pdf

Thomas' age in the above marriage registration places his birth c. 1879, sure enough, here is the birth registration confirming his parents as William John Cunningham (sailor) and Ellen Burns:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02899/2062125.pdf

Going back to the William John Cunningham who married Mary Elizabeth Herron, the above 1911 census return places his birth c. 1872 in Killyleagh, once again, here is the birth registration showing parents as William John Cunningham (sailor) and Ellen Burns of Killyleagh:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03177/2165132.pdf

William Cunningham married Ellen Burns in Ballycarry Presbyterian Church on 17 November 1855, bachelor William was recorded as a sailor, the son of William Cunningham (also a sailor), spinster Ellen was the daughter of William Burns a labourer, both bride and groom gave their address as Ballylig townland (on the Larne Road at Magheramorne).


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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2019, 02:14:43 AM »
By 1911, the Thomas Dixon Cunningham who married Maggie Neill in 1898 was a widower, living in the household of a Robert Robinson:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Bristol_Street/147875/

Thomas Dickson Cunningham married again, in 1914 to a Martha Meek:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09846/5575155.pdf

I suspect that the following death in 1881 is William John Cunningham senior, note that the informant is a McAfferty of 40 Dock Street: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06432/4848149.pdf

The 1880 Belfast street directory lists neither Cunninghams nor McAffertys in Dock Street, but does list the following in nearby New Dock Street:
40. McCafferty, Wm., seaman
44. Cunningham, Wm.,seaman

Bear in mind that the 1879 birth registration I previously posted for Thomas Dixon Cunningham gave an address of 44 New Dock Street and a 'McCaffrey' informant of 46 New Dock Street (probably meant to be 40).

Here is more of the Cunningham family in 1901 at house 19 in Derry Street, note the birthplace for both women (ie. Killyleagh):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Derry_Street/948352/

Here are the birth registrations for the above Margaret and Mary Cunningham, parents shown as William Cunningham and Ellen Burns of Killyleagh:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03388/2242089.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03048/2117512.pdf

The 1901 Belfast street directory confirms that the address of the 19th house enumerated in Derry Street was in fact 37 Derry Street.  Which reads across perfectly to the following death registration in November 1900 for Ellen Cunningham, 'Widow of William John Cunningham, a Seaman', the informant being her daughter Maggie Cunningham of 37 Derry Street:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05747/4622990.pdf
 
Mary Cunningham went on to marry a William Heaslip in 1906 (note one of the witnesses):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10132/5686313.pdf

So Mary Cunningham had a Robert Robinson as a witness to her 1906 marriage, her brother Thomas Dickson Cunningham was living with a Robert Robinson in the 1911 census and her other brother William John Cunningham and his wife Mary Elizabeth Herron named one of their children Robert Robinson Cunningham.  I can't yet see a familial connection, maybe just a very good friend of the family...
 

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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2019, 04:01:54 AM »

... So Mary Cunningham had a Robert Robinson as a witness to her 1906 marriage, her brother Thomas Dickson Cunningham was living with a Robert Robinson in the 1911 census and her other brother William John Cunningham and his wife Mary Elizabeth Herron named one of their children Robert Robinson Cunningham.  I can't yet see a familial connection, maybe just a very good friend of the family...


Finally sussed the familial connection, in the 1911 census return for house 96 in Bristol Street (the household of Robert Robinson), Thomas Dixon Cunningham was described as 'Brother in Law'. Although the 'years married' for Robert was recorded as 14, this must have referred to his previous marriage, for I have now found the marriage to Margaret Cunningham in 1910:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09996/5635577.pdf

This is the same Margaret Cunningham who was living with her sister Mary Cunningham at house 19 / no. 37 Derry Street in the 1901 census. I'm going to guess that Robert Robinson and Margaret Cunningham were an item much earlier than their 1910 marriage, I can see a likely candidate for Robert's first wife dying in 1902, so I would guess some time after that and before 1906/1908, by when Robert was clearly close enough to the Cunninghams for Mary Cunningham to have him as a witness to her marriage (along with her sister Margaret Cunningham as the other witness) and for William John Cunningham to name a son after him.


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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2019, 08:17:38 AM »
Robert, Robison Cunningham died in 1960. He was the son William John and Mary Elizabeth Cunningham, ( maiden name Herron) born in Liverpool. They had four other children - Thomas Dixon (Sarah) - John Herron (Dora) - William John (Agnes) - Margaret (Walter Hume)
Mary Elisabeth Passed away in the 1940"s William J. early 1950"s. Margaret and Walter stayed in their house in Avon Street until the late 1960"s
   

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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2019, 08:32:16 AM »
Robert, Robison Cunningham died in 1960. He was the son William John and Mary Elizabeth Cunningham, ( maiden name Herron) born in Liverpool. They had four other children - Thomas Dixon (Sarah) - John Herron (Dora) - William John (Agnes) - Margaret (Walter Hume)
Mary Elisabeth Passed away in the 1940"s William J. early 1950"s. Margaret and Walter stayed in their house in Avon Street until the late 1960"s
 

Thank you for your post. Would you have any more information on the Herrons from Liverpool please?

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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2019, 09:26:23 AM »
Sorry I can't help with my aunt Susan's maiden name but Neeson could be right thinking back sixty years. They had fairly large family.

Jacqueline, Robert, who lost foot in a train accident. And twin boys Lindsay and ? 

The older girls I can't remember their names.

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Re: Cunninghams from Kitchener Street, Donegall Road/The Village
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2019, 09:55:57 AM »
Sorry I can't help with my aunt Susan's maiden name but Neeson could be right thinking back sixty years. They had fairly large family.

Jacqueline, Robert, who lost foot in a train accident. And twin boys Lindsay and ? 

The older girls I can't remember their names.

I think there was a Margaret, and Elizabeth (Lilly) and a Winston (Winkie), unless I'm getting the generations confused. Susan who married Robert Robinson Cunningham was Susan Barr by birth and, in turn,  her mother was Susan Neeson I think. On their marriage certificate, they wed in St. Peter's Cathedral in 1901. Susan's father was James Neeson.