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amck1

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John Joseph Lawlor
« on: September 13, 2019, 04:47:19 PM »
Hi, I am looking for any information with regards to my Grandfather John Joseph Lawlor born in Belfast 1905


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Re: John Joseph Lawlor
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2019, 03:44:05 PM »
Thank you so much for your reply, I have managed to trace his birth record from my Grandad and my Granny's marriage certificate. 
I am ow working on his Fathers birth record Martin Lawlor which is proving to be a bit more tricky as have three possible's.
I really need to find something with Martin's Mother's name on to be 100% sure but unsure where I can get this info?   :-\ Really wish marriage records listed d.o.b. and Mother's name as Martin's only states age full and Father's name and occupation.  If you have any ideas/advice please let me know :-)

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Re: John Joseph Lawlor
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2019, 07:29:48 PM »
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10179/5703669.pdf
Is this the record you found?
Cannot find Edward Lawlor born in Belfast for around his given age in census. For the link above did you notice the name change in the married record? That is if it is the right Martin?

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Re: John Joseph Lawlor
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2019, 09:48:27 AM »
Yes this is definitely the correct record. It looks like they have crossed out the name Harbinson and then re wrote Lawlor. Harbinson was the name of the witness. I have been told that Martin was not originally from Belfast and have found three possible birth records for him with fathers name as John Lawlor. I know Agnes was late twenty's when married so am assuming he would be around the same age or older if that is the case it has then narrowed down my search to one possible.  But I would just love to find something with his Mother's name on to be 100% sure and have no ideas where I could get this  ???

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Re: John Joseph Lawlor
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2019, 10:36:53 AM »
The 1905 Martin Lawlor marriage registration shows the bride as Agnes Muldoon (father also Muldoon). John Joseph Lawlor's 1905 birth registration shows the mother as Agnes Woods.   Do you have any ideas regarding this difference?

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Re: John Joseph Lawlor
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2019, 10:50:56 AM »

The 1905 Martin Lawlor marriage registration shows the bride as Agnes Muldoon (father also Muldoon). John Joseph Lawlor's 1905 birth registration shows the mother as Agnes Woods.   Do you have any ideas regarding this difference?


Assuming for a moment that the above difference is a mistake or breakdown in communication or can otherwise be explained and that the parties to the 1905 Lawlor-Muldoon marriage are in fact the correct parents of John Joseph Lawlor... then note that a transcript of the St. Malachy's register for that 1905 marriage shows Martin Lalor's parents as John Lalor and Sarah Reddy of Dublin.

That reads across to the following baptism on 30 October 1874 in St. Catherine's, Dublin, of a Martin Lalor born on 27 October 1874 for parents John (Lalor) and Sarah Reddy of 12 New Row, the sponsors were Patrick Reddy and Catherine Walsh:

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.catherine_baptisms_mf_1811-1880_ba_0788

The detail in the relevant civil birth registration varies from this slightly, birth date given as 28 October 1874, the address of parents John Lalor (a smith) and Sarah Reddy given as 51 Plunket Street:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03127/2146794.pdf
 

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Re: John Joseph Lawlor
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2019, 11:04:40 AM »
Here is the 1873 marriage of John Lawlor and Sarah Reddy, it took place in St Audoen's, Dublin, John's address is shown as 40 Plunket Street, Sarah's as 11 Upper Bridge Street, the witnesses are Patrick Reddy and Kate Walsh (probably the same folk as Martin's baptismal sponsors), both father are labourers called John:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11287/8140872.pdf

Another son to John Lawlor and Sarah Reddy of 35 Church Street, James baptised in St Michan's on 7 July 1879, DOB 5 July:


https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1865-1888_ba_0472


The same website shows John Lawlor and Sarah Reddy having a son Patrick Joseph Lawlor baptised in St. Audoen's on 16 March 1877, DOB 13 March (image not available).



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Re: John Joseph Lawlor
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2019, 11:34:47 AM »

... Another son to John Lawlor and Sarah Reddy of 35 Church Street, James baptised in St Michan's on 7 July 1879, DOB 5 July:

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1865-1888_ba_0472


Note that address, for Sarah Lawlor of 35 Church Street, wife of a smith, died at the reported age of 24 on 18 January 1881, John Lawlor was in attendance:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06451/4854142.pdf

Then on 26 November 1881 in St. Michan's, John Lawlor of 35 Church Street married Ellen Nicholson, John's parents given as John and Mary Lawlor:

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1856-1888_ma_0565

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Re: John Joseph Lawlor
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2019, 11:55:59 AM »
Various baptisms / births point to the following being John Lawlor and Ellen Nicholson in 1901, note John's birthplace:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Inns_Quay/Green_Street/1279855/

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Re: John Joseph Lawlor
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2019, 01:11:34 PM »
Various baptisms / births point to the following being John Lawlor and Ellen Nicholson in 1901, note John's birthplace:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Inns_Quay/Green_Street/1279855/
Great research work CMcG this is some kind of story.

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Re: John Joseph Lawlor
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2019, 02:10:22 PM »
WOW, WOW, WOW!!! Cannot thank you enough for all your posts and links and info provided absolutely incredible  :D :-*
Using different names within the family was not uncommon and why I struggled to find my Granda initially on the census, in 1911 he lived at 34 Milford Street with his Granny but only when you look at the image can you see they have written Lalor then scribbled it out and replaced it with Burke!!  His cousins surname
Martin and Agnes also had another child named Agnes born 1907 who I cannot find on the census but seeing how my Granda's surname was changed on it I may never locate her she was just a baby when her Mother died in 1908.  I just hope she went to live with good people.
I think Martin went back to Dublin and re married in 1919 to an Elizabeth Fitzpatrick.
Thanks again for all the info cannot wait to share this with the family :-)