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McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« on: January 06, 2020, 01:02:38 PM »
Hi members. I'm trying to find information about my great great grandfather. His name was James McFarlane. He was a French polisher by trade and had a shop in Belfast. We think it was on main/Maine Street/rd? On the 1911 census he is listed a widower ( we would love to know who he married as he's down as a widow on both the 1901/1911 census. So we have no idea who his wife and mother of my great grandfather was 😞) with his 3 children at 25 Norwood Street. His children are Jochn 25, also a French polisher.W (my great grandfather) 18 a painter. And Jessie 16 a tailoress. William died in a horrendous accident when he was crushed to death while painting a crane. He was up painting the crane when another crane smashed into him crushing him then he fell hundreds of feet 😞🙏😞. Leaving my great grandmother a widow in 1939 with 9children I think it was. Anybody know anything or knows somebody who does it would be so much appreciated. Thanks for reading, keilly XxXx

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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2020, 01:28:37 PM »
The news isn't good on Elizabeth McFarland's death:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05498/4540275.pdf

Larne Times, 18 April 1908:



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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2020, 10:55:49 PM »
This is the birth registration for the daughter Ann Jane shown in the 1901 census return I previously posted:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02456/1912620.pdf

Also, before having daughter Jessie in 1895, they previously had a daughter of that name in 1888, who died a couple of weeks after birth:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02530/1937275.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06190/4770026.pdf

They also had a son Hartley in 1899, the address was the same as that in the 1901 census, he died some weeks later:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02054/1785857.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05799/4640826.pdf

Note that the mother's name in all of the above births was recorded as Elizabeth Chalmers.

Daughter Ann Jane married Ernest Jones in 1917:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09750/5538398.pdf

Looks like James senior died in 1940:



James is buried with Jessie and a George McFarlane in the City Cemetery Glenalina Extension:
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=S1&GraveNumber=456&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension

Ann Jane (McFarlane) Jones died in 1964 and is also buried in the City Cemetery Glenalina Extension:
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=J1&GraveNumber=96&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension



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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2020, 11:41:42 PM »
James McFarlane junior married Agnes Rock in 1907:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10095/5672707.pdf
 
They had children including John (1909), Annie (1910), Jessie (1912) and George (1913) - maybe the same George in the burial record for grave S1 456 of the  City Cemetery Glenalina Extension I previously posted? The daughter Jessie McFarlane went on to marry Victor Glassey on 1 July 1939 and the couple had children Victor, Maureen, Robert, Roselyn, and Helen.

Burial record for the Glasseys:
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=O1&GraveNumber=417&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension

James and Agnes (Rock) McFarlane are also buried in the City Cemetery Glenalina Extension:
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=C1&GraveNumber=153&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension





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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2020, 04:42:23 PM »

If you mean these folk ...
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Court_Ward/Fortingale_Street/964700/

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Not surprisingly, given the birthplace mentioned for James and Lizzie in the above 1901 Ireland census return, there is a likely marriage for the couple in Scotland and a baptism for the groom James, happy to provide the details once you have caught up.  :)

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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2020, 12:17:41 PM »
Hi I'm not sure if I'm replying on the right bit. I'm new to all this. Can I say thank you so very much for your information. It's much more than I expected. A maiden name of William McFarlane mam is wonderful. I still looking through all the information you have provided me 😁🤗

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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2020, 12:30:26 PM »
You're welcome, I'll dig out what I found in Scotland and post that in due course.

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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2020, 04:05:53 PM »
Bachelor James McFarlane and spinster Eliza Chalmers were married by Rev. William Wilson (of the Wellpark Parish Church) according to the Banns of the Church of Scotland on 30 March 1883 at 27 Finnart Street in Greenock.

To my eye (see below), James was recorded as a 26 year old 'French Polisher' living at 5 Holmscroft Street in Greenock, the son of John McFarlane 'Upholsterer (deceased)' and Jessie McFarlane 'M.S. Walker (deceased).

[BTW, M.S. = Maiden Surname] 

Eliza was living half a mile away at 10 Nile Street in Greenock, she was recorded as the 22 year old daughter of John Chalmers 'Mason (deceased)' and Margaret Chalmers 'M.S. Stewart (deceased)'.


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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2020, 04:25:12 PM »
And I think that this may be James McFarlane's birth on 28 December 1855:



Father John McFarlane (above) is recorded as a 'French Pollisher', I'm seeing the mother as 'Jessie McFarlane Maiden Name Walker'. I'm not sure about the address, for now I'm seeing '24 Rope Work Lane Glasgow'

I'm open to opinions.

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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2020, 07:32:36 PM »
 Wow this is brilliant. Thanks so much I didn't expect to get this much information. You've answered many unanswered questions. Regarding my great great grandmother Elizabeth McFarlane new Chalmers. I'm just wondering if it is 100% her that killed herself in Belfast? Could it possibly be another Elizabeth McFarlane? I've noticed that the surname changes all the time from birth certificates to death marriage certificates. The variants are probably why they have been so difficult to find 🙈. Do you happen to know of the Brown family. Father John James Brown Mother Margate, children Hugh, Margret, Florence ( my great grandmother born 5th November 1898/1899). The men were general labours and the ladies worked in the flax linen factory. They were married for 26/27 years in the 1911 census. And it said they had, had 6 children born alive but only 3 living 😞😞. Such awful times for families back then so many babies and mum's lossed due to childbirth and the lack of care given to both. Heartbreaking 😞

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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2020, 02:15:15 AM »

... Regarding my great great grandmother Elizabeth McFarlane new Chalmers. I'm just wondering if it is 100% her that killed herself in Belfast? Could it possibly be another Elizabeth McFarlane? ...


In light of the available information, I think it pretty well has to be her.

The 1901 census return shows french polisher James and his 41 year old wife Lizzie, and a son John among the children.  Then the 1911 census shows James as a widower. So we know that Elizabeth died in between. The Elizabeth McFarland in the 1908 newspaper article has a son John and her stated age is 'about 47'.  But the most compelling indication is the description of the deceased, as recorded in the death registration, ie. 'Wife of a French Polisher'. To put that in perspective, if you search the 1911 census for male McFarl* (wildcard) who are french polishers, only 3 hits come back out of the 4.3+ million people listed, namely  widower James and his son John in Norwood Street, and one other single 17 year old.  So yes, fairly confident that it's her.

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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2020, 11:14:55 PM »

... Do you happen to know of the Brown family. Father John James Brown Mother Margate, children Hugh, Margret, Florence ( my great grandmother born 5th November 1898/1899) ...


As you know, Florence was born in Belfast in 1898 to parents John Brown and Margaret Donnelly:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02065/1789069.pdf
 
John James Brown and Margaret Donnelly were married in Belfast in 1884, John's father was recorded as Robert Brown:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10898/5980766.pdf

In the 1911 census, the family was living in the 29th house enumerated in Ewart's Row (which was street no. 57), John's birthplace in the census return was recorded as County Armagh:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Clifton/Ewart_s_Row/183909/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001529830/

All of which reads across to the following advert placed in local newspapers in 1912:



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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2020, 08:59:42 AM »
Just to remind, when Florence Brown married William McFarlane in 1918, her address was recorded as 40 Vistula Street:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09699/5518349.pdf

So given the match on address and father's name in the link below, I imagine that this must be her sister Margaret marrying an Alexander Haggan a few years earlier in 1914: 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09846/5575049.pdf

I can see a daughter Ellen Florence Haggan born to this couple in 1917, also a daughter Margaret Haggan in 1920.

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Re: McFarlane French polisher Belfast/ Florence McFarlane nee Brown
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2020, 10:20:05 AM »




Just to explore some possibilities, based on the above infomation from 1912...

Aughnagurgan townland is just north of the Armagh-Monaghan county border:
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/armagh/keady/aughnagurgan/

Griffith's Valuation shows a Robert Brown on a 4 acre small holding in Aughnagurgan, the local print date is 1864. 

There is the following death of a 65 year old labourer Robert Browne of Aughnagurgan in 1883, described as a widower, the informant was his son Richard Browne:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06347/4820610.pdf

And there is the following death of a 53 year old Eliza Brown of Aughnagurgan in 1881, described as the 'wife of Robert Brown a farmer', again the informant was a Richard Brown, son of the deceased:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06432/4848032.pdf

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