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charlene steves

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Cairns Cairnes Carnes 1700s family in Belfast
« on: March 15, 2020, 11:03:12 PM »
My Cairns  - other spellings  were in Belfast area 1700s They left for America 1800s   We have no verified dates of departures... A marriage date for Isabel Cairns to James Bell 1818  This family was in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania USA  by 1827 with 5 children.  They may have come through Delaware or Maryland then on to Pennsylvania   Id' like to find Cairns family in Belfast present day who may know about Cairns & Bell families living in the area 1700s to 1820s before immigration so USA   There are several James Bell names - one born 1759 in 'Ireland '  I think most of my family were Scottish and had arrived in Ulster during plantation days.   Stories tell that Rowdy Scots were kicked out of Scotland   :o   by the King.
Any information during time frame 1700s or earlier could help me find location sources of John Carnes wife Ann  [ Hannah ] Bell  Isabel Cairns & James Bell who are the relatives that we know about.   In USA  Carnes seem to be spelling of the name.
Thank you  Charlene Carnes

Elwyn

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Re: Cairns Cairnes Carnes 1700s family in Belfast
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2020, 10:30:59 AM »
     Numerous waves of Scots came to Ireland in the 1600s. Some came as a result of the Plantation of Ulster, others – especially in Counties Antrim & Down – came as part of the Hamilton & Montgomery settlements, others came when a 10,000 strong Scottish army was disbanded at Carrickfergus in the 1640s. The troops could have gone home but a lot decided to settle in the area.  Others fled Scotland during the Covenanter wars, finding themselves on the losing side. There was also a huge influx in the 1690s due to famine in Scotland.  A lot of Scots and English from the Border areas were moved to Ireland on the King’s instructions, because of their tendency to steal cattle and rob anyone crossing the Scottish – English border. They are known as Border Reivers. The Government wanted settlers in Ireland at that time so getting them out of Scotland and northern England and into Ireland killed two birds with one stone. Estimates vary but in the 1600s somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 Scots settled in Ireland (mainly in the northern counties).  That’s possibly 20% of the entire Scottish population at the time. A bit of background here:
 
http://orrnamestudy.com/plantnire1610.htm
 
Cairns is a fairly common name in the Belfast area. The 1901 Irish census has 1423 in Ireland of which 964 lived in Counties Antrim & Down (which includes Belfast).
 
Bell is also a common Scottish name and is certainly found in the Scottish borders, so your ancestors could be  from that area. The 1901 census has 7249 people named Bell, of which 4446 lived in Counties Antrim & Down.  Here’s a link to a site about Border Reivers:
 
http://www.borderreivers.co.uk/Border%20Families/BORDER%20SURNAMES%20%202.htm
 
If James Bell and Isabel Cairns married in Belfast in 1818, you might find a record of it in church records held in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast.  The records are not on-line and so you have to go in person to look them up. It would also help if you knew the exact denomination. I’d guess Presbyterian but that might be wrong.
 
Possibly DNA testing may be a way of matching with others who have additional information about where the family originate. Family Tree DNA reportedly has more people with Ulster roots than any other company. That obviously increases the chances of finding a match. You might want to try them or, if you have already tested, you can transfer your results to them for no fee.
 
The North of Ireland Family History Society is running an Ulster DNA project in conjunction with FTDNA and can offer testing kits at a reduced price.  http://www.nifhs.org (Go to DNA project on the website).
 
Elwyn

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Re: Cairns Cairnes Carnes 1700s family in Belfast
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2020, 05:58:25 PM »

in 1819 street directory there are james bell
Bell, James, surgeon, Belville
Bell, James, clock and watch maker, 95 North Street
see https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1819_Alphanames.htm
more Cairnes suggestion
isobel Cairnes is not listed in ancestryireland.com other Carnes births are
JOHN   CARNES   1769   JOHN   Antrim   Log in Register
WILLIAM   CARNES   1773   HUGH   Antrim
and marriages
Bell   James   1816      Down   Log in Register
BELL   JAMES   1816      Antrim   Log in Register
Bell   James   1817      Antrim   Log in Register
BELL   JAMES   1821      Antrim   

I noted familysearch.org has their son William Bell b 24 June 1829 PENN d  25 July 1913 Liberty township, Guernsey county Ohio

more Cairns suggestion
1.   look up http://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/C/CairnsKearns.htm use her search engine top rh corner for 17 many of the 58 results are dates in the 1700s see also her entry for Knockbreda parish includes Cherryvalley area her  Knockbreda MAP
2.   look up http://www.billmacafee.com
headings to hearth money rolls 1669 I resort them by surname standardised
Record No. No. in Barony List County Barony Parish Townland (Modern Spelling) Townland as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Forename as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Surname as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Surname [Standardised]
10123 316 Antrim Toome Upper Drummaul Lisnagreggan Lisnegragan Robert Kearnes Cairns
13695 86 Antrim Belfast Upper Shankill Town of Belfast Parish of Belfast Adam Kearns Cairns
899 899 Donegal Raphoe Donaghmore Churchland Churchland John Kearns Cairns
1457 309 Donegal Inishowen West Templemore (Burt) Bunnamayne Bonemaine James Cairn Cairns
2361 333 L'Derry N. W. Liberties of L'Derry City of Londonderry Ferryquay Street Gratious Street James Kernes Cairns
6262 351 Tyrone Clogher Clogher Knockmany Knockmany William Cairnes Cairns
6267 356 Tyrone Clogher Clogher Claremore Clarmor James Cairnes Cairns
check the rest of his spreadsheets
3.  I can only offer one reference for a Cairns family tree, in the Blackwood Family History manuscript trees Collection in the LinenHall library, Belfast. I suggest you write to them asking them for photocopying estimates only if they think your knowledge relevant and be prepared to pay the extra for post and packing if you are tempted.  “The Library welcomes all research enquiries, Visitors from afar, and in particular those engaged in serious research projects, are recommended to make prior contact with the Library to ensure that they receive the best possible service. More complex enquiries should be made by letter, fax, or e-mail. A minimum charge of £2 used to be paid in respect of overseas enquiries. photocopies extra.  The Library may be able to assist those with more extensive research requirements on terms subject to negotiation with the Librarian. Contact the Library for further information on [email protected] Their address is The Linen Hall Library,17 Donegall Square North, Belfast BT15GB, Northern Ireland, see their website for contact details or use Email:[email protected]
The volume references for
CAIRNS   VOLUME 4 p58 Cherryvalley
Hoping this is includes new information for you
good luck, Jim
ps However if the material is really relevant when you get it, I suggest a further donation to this unique library that is always needing extra funds.
3.   https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/cairnes search by ireland needs further searching
4.   https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk   Belfast street directories just 2 samples theres more
1808
Kearns, Hugh, spirit dealer, 76 Ann Street
1819
Cairns, William, Donegall Place
Kearns, Hugh, 100 Ann Street
Kearns, Alexander, weaver, 13 Wine Tavern Street
Kearns, Alexander, dealer in new & old clothes, 61 Union Street
lots to search good luck