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Randalstown_Cookstown Junction
« on: March 22, 2020, 06:51:24 PM »
Would be interested in who lived at Connell Hill farm,Drumsough between the two world wars. 

The Warwick family of Carngranny Townships oldest son David who married a Winnifred Montgomery after ww2 lived there up until the 2000s.
I think this Montgomery family of Rugby Parade,Belfast might have owned it through marriage before that.

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Re: Randalstown_Cookstown Junction
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2020, 12:48:37 AM »
The Ballymena Observer of 8 July 1927 listed all lands in the Barony of Toome Upper claimed to be owned by the Right Honourable Edward Baron O'Neill (Monterevedy Estate), which were to be vested in the Land Purchase Commission.  Among the many entries was one for a tenant called Thomas Moore, with a postal address of Connell Hill, Drumsough, Randalstown, Co. Antrim, the property was just over 24 acres.

The PRONI Will Calendars Index has the following entry:

Moore Thomas of Drumsough Randalstown county Antrim farmer died 23 August 1943 Probate Belfast 3 November to James Bownes retired farmer. Effects 3617 5s. 10d.

The following appeared in the Belfast Telegraph on 10 September 1943:



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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2020, 01:01:24 AM »
The GRONI death index has a reported age at death of 82 for Thomas Moore in 1943.  Although the arithmetic is slightly out, it reads back to the following folk in the 1911 census, note the Montgomery nephew:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Sharvogues/Drumsough/111167/

And in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Sharvogues/Drumsough/920179/

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2020, 01:47:49 AM »
From what I can tell, Thomas Moore was the son of James Moore of Drumsough and Elizabeth Anne Stirling/Sterling of Ballynoe who got married in Donegore 1st Presbyterian Church on 5 April 1861. I'm assuming that James Moore and Elizabeth Anne Stirling/Sterling also had a daughter Rebecca Moore, for someone of that name with a father called James Moore (a farmer) married a James Montgomery in Belfast in 1888 (note the 2 witness names):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10781/5931814.pdf

James Montgomery and Rebecca Moore had a number of children, including the following William, who is a candidate for the nephew in the 1911 census return I previously posted:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02098/1799551.pdf

Here were James Montgomery and Rebecca Moore and family in the 1901 census (note the forename 'Sterling'):

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cromac/Jerusalem_Street/969786/

The Elizabeth Moore boarding with them in the above census return was almost certainly Rebecca's sister, the one in the following 1870 birth to parents James Moore and Elizabeth Stirling of Drumsough:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03350/2228074.pdf

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Re: Randalstown_Cookstown Junction
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2020, 02:08:25 AM »

... Here were James Montgomery and Rebecca Moore and family in the 1901 census (note the forename 'Sterling'):

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cromac/Jerusalem_Street/969786/


The same family in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Rugby_Parade/166572/

Maybe this is what you meant by the reference 'I think this Montgomery family of Rugby Parade,Belfast might have owned it through marriage before that'?

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2020, 02:22:43 AM »

From the PRONI Will Calendars index:

The Will of James Moore late of Drumsough County Antrim Farmer deceased who died 28 March 1873 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oaths of Robert Bell of Lenagh and John Cooper of magherabeg both in (Randalstown) said County Farmers the Executors.

The will has been digitised and confirms that Rebecca was indeed a daughter, mentions Thomas, and pretty well explains everything regarding bequest of the farms at Drumsough and Lenagh, you can read it here:

https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2020, 06:50:52 PM »
The same family in 1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Rugby_Parade/166572/

Maybe this is what you meant by the reference 'I think this Montgomery family of Rugby Parade,Belfast might have owned it through marriage before that'?

The connection is G.Grandmother Rebecca,and my Grandmother was her daughter Elizabeth.
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Re: Randalstown_Cookstown Junction
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2020, 07:00:20 PM »


  As always CMcG you came through. I had missed a generation between Thomas and James Moore.  Grandmothers sister Edith always maintened there was a connection to a family called Sterling, but I never knew what it was.  She continued to live all her life at 11 Rugby Parade ,( married name McConnell ).

Elizabeth married into the Brown Family and they had a part of the house at Connell Hill, allow they lived in Glasgow and Belfast.
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2020, 07:30:34 PM »


  The James Warwick & son must have been connected to the Warwicks of Crangranny.  The eldest son (i think ) my uncle Davy had 2 sisters Maggie and Lizzie, and they had a shop in Randlestown , another sister Mary stayed on the farm with her father. There was at least one other brother.

Not surprised that the O,Neill estate owned the land as the Moss ( peat bog ) nearby was parceled out to the farms for cutting Turf.

So the farm lease must have passed on to the Montgomerys or Browns through Rebecca nee Moore.
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Re: Randalstown_Cookstown Junction
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2020, 07:34:25 PM »


  Would you know who Margret Jane Montgomery married ?  She lived on Agincourt ave.
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2020, 08:58:02 PM »
From what I can tell, Thomas Moore was the son of James Moore of Drumsough and Elizabeth Anne Stirling/Sterling of Ballynoe who got married in Donegore 1st Presbyterian Church on 5 April 1861. I'm assuming that James Moore and Elizabeth Anne Stirling/Sterling also had a daughter Rebecca Moore, for someone of that name with a father called James Moore (a farmer) married a James Montgomery in Belfast in 1888 (note the 2 witness names):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10781/5931814.pdf

James Montgomery and Rebecca Moore had a number of children, including the following William, who is a candidate for the nephew in the 1911 census return I previously posted:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02098/1799551.pdf

Here were James Montgomery and Rebecca Moore and family in the 1901 census (note the forename 'Sterling'):

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cromac/Jerusalem_Street/969786/

The Elizabeth Moore boarding with them in the above census return was almost certainly Rebecca's sister, the one in the following 1870 birth to parents James Moore and Elizabeth Stirling of Drumsough:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03350/2228074.pdf

If you scroll down the last civilrecords prompt, there is another birth registered in march of 1870 to a thomas and mary,nee Mable.? same address.
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2020, 08:59:35 AM »
Here's the 1864 marriage of Thomas Moore and Mary Mable:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11596/8267491.pdf

As you can see, his father was recorded as William Moore, a farmer, which is a different father to that recorded a few years earlier for the James Moore who married Elizabeth Anne Stirling/Sterling (James' father was recorded as David). So maybe Thomas and James were cousins?

William Moore's will has been digitised and is available to read on the PRONI Will Calendars website...

The Will of William Moore late of Drumsough County Antrim Farmer deceased who died 25 February 1872 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oaths of David Woodside Moore of No. 21 Gamble-street Belfast Provision Merchant and Thomas Biggs of Ballyclare Conveyancer both in said County the Executors.

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Re: Randalstown_Cookstown Junction
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2020, 04:32:57 PM »
Found it kind of weird that this Thomas and Mary had a daughter born 8 days before James and Elizabeths daughter.  Mable is,nt a common name and nobody I know knew of it.

Could be a cousin I suppose,  the farmhouse had 2 sections to it, and one was always known in my day as Brown,s end.

The place is now a riding academy as the Warwick family have now moved to Scotland to farm.
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2020, 10:43:28 AM »







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Re: Randalstown_Cookstown Junction
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2020, 06:35:40 PM »
   
   Well,  that was quite the shock,  seeing the death notices.  I remember my grandmothers funeral a little, but the info about my grandfather, whom I never knew,was a real surprise.

   He was working for H&W in Govan before the war then became ill with M.S.   I thought he might have died there, but it looks like the family brought him home and to the farm because of the bombing in Belfast.  I have only one photo of him and lucky enough its with my dad and g.grandfather Montgomery.

Very much obliged CMcG.

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