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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2020, 11:45:53 PM »
Belfast Telegraph, 21 September 1960:



Burial record here:

https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=D1&GraveNumber=493&CemeteryName=Dundonald%20Cemetery

The GRONI website has a (pay to view) Belfast registered civil record for the marriage of a Hamilton Hogg to Mary Cowden, it took place on 8 July 1935.

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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2020, 11:51:22 PM »
Belfast Telegraph, 31 December 1976:



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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2020, 12:03:08 AM »
The marriage of Robert Cowden's sister Rachel, as shown in the census return at reply #8 and mentioned in the death notices at reply #13:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09671/5507059.pdf

Birth corroborates parents as William Cowden and Sarah Bell:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1894/1854609b.pdf

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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2020, 12:11:31 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2020, 12:46:54 AM »
CMcG thank you for an absolute gold mine of information.  All of the documents were so helpful the newspaper cuttings are next level.  I'll start dissecting them in detail  & start building the next level.   Thanks again. 

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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2020, 01:29:33 AM »
1. Catherine Cowden, daughter of William Cowden a cooper, married John Hardy in 1902:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10279/5741102.pdf

2. Widow Catherine Hardy, daughter of William Cowden a cooper, married John Morrow in 1919:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09679/5510700.pdf

Hence the reference to 'his sister Catherine Morrow' in Robert Cowden's 1944 death notices at reply #13.

Catherine's birth in 1884 to William Cowden a cooper and Sarah Bell:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02705/1995985.pdf

Burial records here:

https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=Q1&GraveNumber=273&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery%20-%20Glenalina%20Extension

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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2020, 02:39:00 AM »
Further to reply #15, if I'm reading this right, Hamilton Hogg first married Robert Cowden senior's daughter Elizabeth (b. 1898) in 1920, before marrying the other daughter Mary (b. 1914) in 1935 (Elizabeth having died in 1933):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09266/5354673.pdf



Maybe this is where Hamilton Cowden b. 1921 got his forename.

(Elizabeth is also buried in grave D1 493 in Dundonald Cemetery, as already posted at reply #15)

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2020, 03:13:39 AM »

My initial guess (for I can't as yet see a better prospect) is that the 18 year old Catherine 'Doran' who married Robert Cowden in 1897 was the child baptised in St. Malachy's RC Church, Belfast, on 8 June 1879, as Catherine Dorrian, for parents Robert Dorrian and Margaret Thompson (left page, 21 lines down):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633202#page/128/mode/1up

While I haven't yet found her civil birth registration, other such records for children to this couple confirm that Robert was a painter.  For example, confirmed in this son Joseph's birth record of 1876:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03060/2121804.pdf

A candidate for the marriage of Robert Dorrian and Margaret Thompson is this one in the Registrar's Office at Downpatrick in 1862:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1862/09628/5492028.pdf


That guess is still a runner, given the following death registration for a Margaret Dorrian, 'Widow of Robert Dorrian, a House Painter' who died in January 1909 - note the informant: 'R. Cowden Son in Law' and the address of 11 Claremont Lane:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05473/4531905.pdf

11 Claremont Lane was the same address recorded for parents Robert Cowden and Catherine Dorrian in the civil registration of birth for their son William born the previous year (link at reply #3).

So, Catherine's parents were Robert and Margaret.

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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2020, 04:11:17 AM »

... So, Catherine's parents were Robert and Margaret.


Have just now noticed the middle name of Hugh born in 1911 to Robert Cowden and Catharine Dorrian, here it is again:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01504/1611154.pdf

Thompson.

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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2020, 11:57:50 PM »
Thank you CMcG, I've taken 9 hours today to build all of your information into the family tree.   I need time to take in the information and think about my next moves & questions.  I just wanted to let you know that I been working through it.  The obituaries have been a critical source.  The link between the two sisters & Hamilton Hogg was excellent.

Is it ok if I pose some additional questions in the next few days?

First question. ref reply #3,  do you have the same information for Hamilton Cowden?   My wife believes there were 14 children in total.  You've listed 12 + Hamilton =13.  I wonder whether there is a lost child between Sara (1916) & Hamilton (1921).   There appears to be no history for William 1901 & Margaret 1904, so I assume that were infant mortalities.

Regards, Colin & Katrina

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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2020, 01:43:01 PM »
Firstly I'd like to pass on my thanks for the invaluable feedback, information, links and advise, which has helped me to add so much detail to my wife's family tree.

I've hit a brickwall and would dearly love some help.

It concerns Robert Cowden abt 1920, father of William abt 1850 (m.Sarah Bell) & I believe James abt 1846 (m. Mary Rock) and probable brother to Matthew Cowden abt 1820.  All were Coopers by trade, the dates & locations all align but I don't have conclusive evidence that the 4 are related. 

Any information or leads will be gratefully received.

I'd also like your recommendations on the most comprehensive newspaper archives for Belfast, preferably free but i don't mind paying for a short subscription.

Many thanks

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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2020, 11:02:09 AM »
a diversion from the amazing CMcG replies

I went fishing backwards to get a feeling about the earlier family roots (the earliest ref found so far is a William Cowden 1687 Belfast}
starting with 1852
street directory searching only for Cowden spelling
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk 
street directory searching only for Cowden spelling
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1852names.htm
Cowden, Jane, lodgings, 5 Union Street
Cowden, Matthew, cooper, 76 Green Street
1843
Cowden, Tailor, 14 Sussex Street.
1819 not found
1805 - 1806 - 1807 - 1808 not found
switching to PRONI street directories
1819-1840 no Cowden retutns

1823-37 Tithe Applotment books check shankill entries
Cowden, Alexander-Townland: Dunselly Year: 1833-Antrim-Antrim
Cowden, James-Townland: Ladyhill Year: 1833-Antrim-Antrim
Cowden, John-Townland: Annadorn Year: 1828-Loughinisland -Down-
Cowden, Joseph-T: Killeyliss Y: 1826-Donaghmore-Tyrone and Fermanagh
Cowden, Saml.-Townland: Ballycraigy Year: 1825-Ballyclug-Antrim
Cowden, Saml.-Townland: Ballylesson Year: 1825-Ballyclug-Antrim
Cowden, T: Cullianfad Y: 1826--Donaghmore-Tyrone
Cowden, Townland: Straidland Year: 1826-Ballyculter-Down-

1819 not found
1805 - 1806 - 1807 - 1808 not found

sources
PRONI freeholders none in Belfast/ or co antrim
PRONI ecatalogue  Cowden, John buried at Shankill. 20 April 1749.
PRONI names William Cowden 1687 Belfast an index item for a will nothing else survived
PRONI names John Cowden 1701 Belfast an index item for a will nothing else survived
1669 hearth money rolls no mention
UHF
Irish Birth/Baptism Records – Co. Antrim & Co. Down, c. 1660-1930   166 results
Pay-Per-ViewIrish Marriage Records – Co. Antrim & Co. Down, c.1660-1930   109 results
Pay-Per-ViewIrish Death/Burial Records – Co. Antrim & Co. Down, c. 1660-1998   55 results
Pay-Per-ViewNorthern Irish Gravestone Inscriptions   1 results
the above include
James Cowden marriage son of matthew 1864 Co antrim
Samuel B Cowden marriage son of matthew 1869 Co antrim
deaths include
COWDEN   JOHN   1749   SHANKILL   BELFAST CO ANTRIM   
James   Cowden   1 1/12 Years   15 September 1878   17 September 1878   City Cemetery      
William Alexander   Cowden   9 Years   31 October 1873   2 November 1873   City Cemetery      
Mary Ann   Cowden   3 Months   4 June 1874   5 June 1874 City Cemetery

http://www.belfasthistoryproject.com/cliftonstreetcemetery/
Cliftion st cemetery from the registry there are two more areas upper ground and lower ground I searched neither yet
1836 August 16
Samuel Cowden
(Lunacy)
Aged 38 [so b~1798]
Writing Clerk
North Queen Street
From Ballymena, born at Antrim
Family settled in Belfast

1842 March 18
Sarah Ann Cowden
(Mortification)
Aged 7 Months
Daughter of John Cowden
Robert Street
Born in Belfast
Buried in Coopers Ground I stopped here because I had never heard of the coopers ground in that cemetery before and I have run out of time
so hoping you become interested in going further back in time
the name has been suggested it’s a scots origin


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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2020, 04:12:06 PM »

Hi JimG

Thanks for the info. & introduction to Clifton St. The 2 entries that you found are the only 2 Cowden entries. I found Coopers ground,  It's at Platform 7 Upper Ground, lots 47-48-49.  It looks like trade societies purchased plots.

It looks like UHF will be a valuable source of material. At the moment i'm using the indices, to try & pick out the relationships, to enable me to pick the right out the meaningful records  but UHF costs are unusually high.

I've exhausted all Irish Genealogy & Belfast Burial records.  Still struggling with factually relating William, James, Robert & Matthew to find the patron(s).

Colin

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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2020, 07:54:39 AM »
Help required with an archive record from the Irish Newspaper archive. 

I'd like a copy of an obituary notice in the Belfast Telegraph for Robert John Cowden 5th Sept 1984 if any can help please.

I have a subscription to the British Archives but they end in 1983!  The Irish Newspaper archives cover 1984.

I'm grateful for any help in trying to trace Belfast family.  Thank you.

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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2020, 09:31:10 PM »
Hello just by chance I came across this thread I believe the Robert John Cowden your enquiring about is my grandfather but I cant be sure if its same? he passed away august 1984 from malcolm street? His wife was Joan Margret Cowden passed away aug 2004