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Thomas and Lucinda Evelyn Campbell nee Grattan
« on: October 11, 2020, 05:36:04 PM »
Looking for as much information on Thomas Campbell and his wife Lucinda Evelyn Campbell nee Grattan. She passed away in the 70s he died in the 80s. He played football for either Celtic or Scotland at some stage in his life. One of the places they lived was Burmah At Belfast.

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Re: Thomas and Lucinda Evelyn Campbell nee Grattan
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2020, 08:56:09 PM »
ffrom 1960 https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1960_2.htm
Burmah Street from 12 Delhi Street to Blackwood Street
1.   Campbell, Thomas, traveller
from 1951 https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1951_2.htm
no Campbells in Burmah street no Thomas Campbell found

have you already searched catholic burials in Belfast for them?
have you already searched Belfast Celtic records?
what have you searched?


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Re: Thomas and Lucinda Evelyn Campbell nee Grattan
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2020, 10:15:51 PM »
Thanks JimG. They were my wife's grandparents and it was no.1 Burmah St they lived in.

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Re: Thomas and Lucinda Evelyn Campbell nee Grattan
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2020, 01:11:38 PM »
your cube is misting, i knew that already, thats why i asked you 3 questions??? if you dont answer then i'm off permanently to others who takes my limited time seriously.

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Re: Thomas and Lucinda Evelyn Campbell nee Grattan
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2020, 04:49:43 PM »
Sorry JimG don't know where they lived before hand possibly Donegal Road but I do know that he didn't have a catholic burial.
He originally came from Scotland and played football for Glasgow Celtic for a short time. When don't know.
Again sorry.

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Re: Thomas and Lucinda Evelyn Campbell nee Grattan
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2020, 10:26:30 PM »
if you want to explore your family history but cant share your grandparents burial information for your reasons fair enough.  are there any clues of their ages when they died, i could try to help from that working backwards

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Re: Thomas and Lucinda Evelyn Campbell nee Grattan
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2020, 12:49:17 AM »
Sorry JimG but I don't know the location of the burial site of Thomas. I think Lucinda Evelyn is buried in Roselawn and as far as I know she was 66 yes old.

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Re: Thomas and Lucinda Evelyn Campbell nee Grattan
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2020, 12:57:33 AM »
JimG. The couple had 7 children if that helps. 5 girls and 2 boys.

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Re: Thomas and Lucinda Evelyn Campbell nee Grattan
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2020, 11:38:43 AM »

roselawn cemetery was the breakthrough!
Name of deceased Lucinda E Campbell
Last place of residence 1 Burmah Street
Age 69
Sex NK
Date of death 16 September 1978
Date of burial 19 September 1978
Cemetery Roselawn Cemetery
Grave section and number S 314
Burial Type Earth Burial
She was buried with
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=9065.14141
Thomas Campbell aged 70 who d 23 July 1983 [so b 1913l follow up Scotlands people,I am not a member will have his details cost £7.50 his last residence 29 Glendhu Park belfast

so Lucinda E Campbell nee Grattan b ~1909
1911 irish census has 2 possibles the other unlikely as b ~1902-3 I am confident that this is yours
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Thames_Street/183221/
34 in Thames Street (St. Anne's Ward, Antrim)
Grattan Robert  27 Male Head of Family Christian County Down Damask Weaver Read and write - Married - 5[ie m~1905-6] 3 3
Grattan Lusinda 25 so b~1886 familysearch has a confusing entry  ‘event place Street Co longford’ Female Wife Christian County Down - Read and write - Married - 5 3 3
 children
Grattan Minnie  4 Female Daughter - Belfast - Cannot read - Single - - - -
Grattan Lucinda Evelyne 2 Female Daughter - Belfast - Cannot read - Single - - - -
Grattan Sarah Jane  Female Daughter 4 months so b 1910- Belfast

1901 Ireland Census going back 10 years
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Magherally/Ballykelly/1203976/
no proof at this stage that this is the right Robert Grattan
24 in Ballykelly (Magherally, Down)

Grattan William 60[so b~1840-41] Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Down Farmer Read - Married -
Grattan Mary Anne 59 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Down - Read and write - Married -
[children missing one a daughter who m a Kincade see last entry]
Grattan William 22 Male Son Presbyterian Co Down Damask Weaver Read and write - Not Married -
Grattan Thomas 19 Male Son Presbyterian Co Down Agricultural Labourer Read and write - Not Married -
Grattan Robert 17 Male Son Presbyterian Co Down Damask Weaver Read and write - Not Married -[could be a twin with Agnes?]
Grattan Agnes 17 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down - Read and write - Not Married -
Grattan Elizabeth 13 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Down - Read and write
Kincade Mary 2 Female Grand Daughter Presbyterian Co Down

notes on ballykelly townland see map http://www.rosdavies.com/MAPS/SeapatrickMagherallyTownlands.htm ballykelly is in Seapatrick townland but comes under Magherally district
griffiths valuation http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.has no grattan in either seapatrick or magherally but has a james in loughans tullylish in banbridge ubion
TAB Gratten has only 3 grattan/gratten in all Co Down all in nearby Aghaderg ie the name is concentratedin westdown on or close to the Armagh border
 
https://www.ancestryireland.com/family-records/marriage-records-co-antrim-co-down/?search1=william&search2=grattan&condition=begins&submit=Search
I have run out of time and probably cant help much further  go for Scotlands people but how many thomas could there be regarding other children b to the couple GRONI belfast have rules i havent used .  Tell your Celtic reseacher his date of birth 1913
Good luck onwards


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Re: Thomas and Lucinda Evelyn Campbell nee Grattan
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2020, 12:38:31 PM »
Many thanks JimG for all your hard work and help. Greatly appreciated.