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Hercules street
« on: February 19, 2021, 08:35:41 PM »
Anyone know where I would start to look up residents of this street was there a census then

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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2021, 11:29:28 PM »
Roughly what period do you want? There are censuses for 1901 & 1911. Otherwise you may need to rely on street directories.  Some names and dates might help.
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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2021, 11:47:28 AM »
What Iím really trying for is birth certificate for around 1852 or marriage certificate for loughlin Davey I know is son Charles was born that year  but would like to see if he had other family ,nothing coming up on roots.ireland or emerald ancestry .have hit blank wall ,there is lots of loughlin Davey s but canít find right one even trying proni ,have subscriptions on both sites ,
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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2021, 01:04:50 PM »
You wonít get a birth certificate because they werenít introduced till 1864. You might find his baptism.

There was a William, John, James & Charles Davey, all fleshers (butchers) in Hercules St in 1843 in the Lennon Wylie Street Directory:
 
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1843a2d.htm
 
Thereís a record of a marriage between Loughlin Davy and Catherine McKee at St Patís 28th March 1853. Witnesses were John McKay and Mary Daly. (No other information in the record).
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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2021, 01:17:22 PM »



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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2021, 01:42:03 PM »
Looks like Loughlin has moved to Glenarm




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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2021, 01:52:32 PM »
Looks like Charles Davey was one of the butchers listed





Hercules Place, Hercules Street & York St.

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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2021, 05:12:07 PM »
You wonít get a birth certificate because they werenít introduced till 1864. You might find his baptism.

There was a William, John, James & Charles Davey, all fleshers (butchers) in Hercules St in 1843 in the Lennon Wylie Street Directory:
 
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1843a2d.htm
 
Thereís a record of a marriage between Loughlin Davy and Catherine McKee at St Patís 28th March 1853. Witnesses were John McKay and Mary Daly. (No other information in the record).
thank you for prompt answer I got the marriage record on roots.ireland ,and yes there was a son called Charles born in 1854 ,but wondering if same loughlin ,the marriage cert doesnít give much info is there a certificate I can get with more information or would it just be same but thank you so far for your help
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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2021, 05:19:03 PM »
Looks like Loughlin has moved to Glenarm




thank you for this quite interesting I know there was a loughlin Davey who left will for farms in Glenarm  which downloaded who died 1896 he had married twice but no wives where called Catherine wondering if he was this loughlins son came to Belfast then back to larne  so many loughlins and Charles ,and yes all butchers
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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2021, 05:26:45 PM »
No thereís no marriage certificate. They didnít start for RC marriages till 1864.  The church register is on-line so you can see the original entry on this link:
 
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633209#page/270/mode/1up
 
According to the GRONI site, Catherine Davey was 32 when she died in 1868. You could view her death cert for £2.50 if you want.
 
I donít see a baptism for Charles 1854 so canít help with him. I see 2 possible children to the couple in RC parish records. Thomas baptised 27.2.1859 at St Patís, and Bridget 24.3.1867 at St Maryís (address Hercules St. 1 sponsor Margaret McKee). Being born after 1864 Bridget should have a birth certificate but I canít find one. Possibly the birth wasnít registered.
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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2021, 05:57:10 PM »
Catherine died in July 1868. Thereís a marriage here in December 1868 for Loughlin Davey 34, widower, to Jane McRandall. Loughlin was a butcher in Belfast and his father Charles was also a butcher. I think thatís the same man who first married Catherine McKee.
 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1868/11473/8217194.pdf
 
Jane died 28.11.1884. Loughlin was the informant:
 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06302/4806376.pdf
 
Then 3 months later in February 1885 another marriage for Loughlin Davey, farmer, in Glenarm. He was 50 and a widower. His father was Charles Davey (flesher), deceased. (He was fairly quick off the mark in re-marrying your Loughlin, wasnít he?).
 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10856/5964174.pdf
 
That does sound like your man, except for the new profession of farmer. Hereís his death in 1896 in Carntown (same address as on the marriage certificate).

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05902/4674684.pdf
 
This looks like widowed Sarah in 1901:
 
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Quay_Lane/996465/
 
Hereís daughter Sarahís birth confirming the parents names:
 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02553/1944531.pdf
 
Death here for Charles Davey in 1882 who may be Laughlinís father. Informant was daughter Mary McAnally. Charles age is given as 62 but that might easily be out by 10 years or more. He may well have been a bit older if he was the father of a son born in the 1830s. People rarely celebrated birthdays then and ages were often just guesses.
 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06395/4836445.pdf
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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2021, 06:23:42 PM »
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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2021, 05:46:59 PM »



bread basket thanks for all this information maybe get a look up for grave in Hollywood  think sometimes get some we tips from grave information it is very confusing maybe just stop with what I have it is really going far back but thank you again going to print the court case to show family ,you must be very clever to find all these things lol think i have subscribed to every website and get nothing
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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2021, 06:09:08 PM »
You wonít get a birth certificate because they werenít introduced till 1864. You might find his baptism.

There was a William, John, James & Charles Davey, all fleshers (butchers) in Hercules St in 1843 in the Lennon Wylie Street Directory:
 
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1843a2d.htm
 
Thereís a record of a marriage between Loughlin Davy and Catherine McKee at St Patís 28th March 1853. Witnesses were John McKay and Mary Daly. (No other information in the record).
elwyn Iím afraid Iím going to give up there is so many with the same names I know the loughlin who died 1895 had married twice .but the other loughlin who married Catherine mc kee I would say is Charles parents .they where all butchers but same to use same names for all there children thank you again for all your help but I couldnít even make out the churchís micro film I was taking headache lol
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Re: Hercules street
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2021, 06:19:23 PM »
The Loughlin who died in 1895 was already a widower at his 1868 marriage, and then he married again in 1885. (So he married 3 times). I feel fairly sure it's the same man in all 3 marriages.
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