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Belfast Genealogy / Re: WW1 and WW2
« Last post by James James on Today at 01:39:30 AM »
Well it sounds to me as if your friend has gone off half cocked there and has been trying to make the facts fit the theory, which with this particular topic is a waste of everybody's time and effort, and just leads to confusion.

"He has obtained the following" etcetera... not a word about the source for that,... and with this topic in particular, sources should always be stated.

"served with Royal Irish Rifles WW1, possible 8th, 9 or 10th battalion" ... what is the source for all of those "possibles". ?

The proper way to  go is to state what is known for certain from personal/family/definitely relevant and provably correct documentary knowledge, and then see if any facts can be found which match that factual knowledge.

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O.K. let's see what the certain factual starting information is,... his name was William John Best born 1899 in Belfast and he served in France during WW1 and at some point,... presumably in France ?... he was buried alive,... is the country where that happened known for certain ?... he survived the war.

He is presumed/believed/known, ?,... to have served in, and presumably, only in ? ... the Royal Irish Fusiliers.

O.K., so based on that information, and assuming, that the regiment is definitely correct, what does that definitely tell us. ?

It means that he was awarded campaign medals, and the records for those have all survived, and IF he served in that Regiment, then there is only one possible candidate.

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Special Reservist Private William John Best aka William J. Best regimental number 6369
Princess Victoria's (Royal Irish Fusiliers) landed in France in the 1st Battalion 28th June 1915

France was the first war zone in which he served.

He served in France in the 1st battalion and he later served, but not in France, in the 6th battalion and then in the 5th/6th Battalion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Irish_Fusiliers

The 5th and 6th Battalions merged on 2nd November 1916.

His service record was destroyed in the WW2 Blitz on London, which is a particular pity, because after his service in France in the 1st Battalion, he may have also served in Greece and the Middle East.

I'll leave the battalions and their service for now, or else it gets too convoluted, that's a separate topic.

He was awarded three campaign medals. When the images of the medals open, if you right click on them you can download and save them.

The 19141915 Star

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1914%E2%80%9315_Star

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1914%E2%80%9315_Star#/media/File:WW1_1914-15_Star.jpg

The British War Medal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_War_Medal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_War_Medal#/media/File:WW1_British_War_Medal.jpg

The Victory Medal (United Kingdom)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Medal_(United_Kingdom)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Medal_(United_Kingdom)#/media/File:Victory-Obverse.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Medal_(United_Kingdom)#/media/File:Victory-Reverse.jpg

They were nicknamed Pip, Squeak, and Wilfred, respectively.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pip,_Squeak_and_Wilfred#War_medals

Click on the links for the document images below, they will open in a separate browser tab/page, then right click on the image and it can be downloaded and saved.

His medal record card...

https://s3.postimg.org/u0k64e8fn/medal_card_6369_William_J._Best_Royal_Irish_Fusi.jpg



His medal roll...

https://s21.postimg.org/oj5e8oedj/medal_roll6369_William_John_Best_Royal_Irish_Fus.jpg

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Belfast Genealogy / Re: Looking for Kathleen McCormick
« Last post by Olmy on Yesterday at 11:15:43 PM »
  Many thanks for the replies.


I have plenty of info about the Downeys. There were a few Hugh Downeys around at the time, coming and going in Iris Street. My Hugh's parents were James Downey and Elizabeth Gallagher I believe.


Unfortunately Hugh's wife remains a mystery.


Thanks again

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Belfast Genealogy / Re: WW1 and WW2
« Last post by James James on Yesterday at 10:18:35 PM »
As said above... TE = Time Expired

The reference TE or T/E means Time expired and T of E means Terms of Engagement (expired).

That is, the man had reached the end of his agreed period of military service. It applies only to pre-war soldiers of the regular army, Special Reserve or Territorial Force although in ireland there never was a Territorial Force.

The man was allowed to return home. From 1916 onward, however, many TE men returned to or were retained on active service as conscripted soldiers, despite their earlier service being completed, but note that in WW1 and WW2 there was never any conscription in Ireland or Northern Ireland.

With the regimental number 4/5819  the prefix 4 means 4th Battalion but before, during and after WW1 and up until the early 1920's a man's number would change if he changed regiments or corps but if he changed battalions within the same regiment or corps only his battalion prefix number would change, but that battalion prefix number was only in use during WW1.

During WW1 battalion prefix numbers of 3 and 4 were very common with Special Reserve and Extra Reserve recruits.
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Belfast Genealogy / Re: Looking for Kathleen McCormick
« Last post by Astor on Yesterday at 10:12:51 PM »
I remember an Anne Downey who lived at Iris St, possibly at no. 10 as there were only 2 houses on the first block, then Hawthorn St,  then about 6 houses before Earlscourt St and she lived on the second block, so no. 10 would be about right.


I had a walk down Iris Street when I was home only last week, I should've waited another week, then I could've checked  :)


There were McCormicks in Hawthorn St but I've no idea if there was a Kathleen.
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Belfast History and Memories / Re: Andersonstown
« Last post by 61cresta on Yesterday at 10:08:33 PM »
Probably 1959-1964.
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Belfast Genealogy / Re: WW1 and WW2
« Last post by CMcG on Yesterday at 09:42:07 PM »

... He has obtained the following 4/5819 Best j. 2nd Battalion date of posting 1/2/15 discharge 1/6/16 cause TE but is not sure this is His Father, could you also explain the meaning of TE as a cause of discharge.


TE = Time Expired, ie. when a pre-war regular or territorial force soldier came to the end of his agreed service.

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Belfast History and Memories / Re: Andersonstown
« Last post by Bread Basket on Yesterday at 09:33:08 PM »
I lived on Stewartstown Park. Went to Casement Park then Holy Child. Saint Peter's then Saint Patrick's. Mechanic at Clarence Engineering Company, then Maguire's Garage on the falls Road. Happy memories.
What year were you at Holy Child?
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Old Belfast Photos / Re: EVERY BLACK & WHITE PHOTO TELLS A STORY
« Last post by stranmillis v on Yesterday at 09:12:13 PM »
They may have lived in stranmillis park but that picture is definitely not 43 stranmillis park they were council houses and do not nor ever did have bay type windows.
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Belfast Genealogy / Re: WW1 and WW2
« Last post by harrydunn on Yesterday at 09:07:41 PM »
Looking for help for a very old friend His Father was William John Best born 31 August 1899 at 64 Penrith Street Belfast, served with Royal Irish Rifles WW1, possible 8th, 9 or 10th battalion in France and survived buried alive at some stage during the war
William John died 1966.
He has obtained the following 4/5819 Best j. 2nd Battalion date of posting 1/2/15 discharge 1/6/16 cause TE but is not sure this is His Father, could you also explain the meaning of TE as a cause of discharge.
any help would be very much appreciated.
harry
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Looking for old friends or family / Re: harry finlay
« Last post by big t on Yesterday at 08:45:50 PM »
Harry lived facing me in Donegall age. We also went to St Simon's primary school together..
Lost touch some time ago....
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