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Belfast Chat / Re: God
« Last post by Bigali on Today at 03:32:16 PM »
ali, your aunt was a wise woman! :-*


Whenever there was a bit of a scandal involving some local worthy she always said it was those who walked about with a "bible below their arm " who were the worst, hence her saying  :D
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Belfast Chat / Re: God
« Last post by belle on Today at 03:26:22 PM »
ali, your aunt was a wise woman! :-*
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Belfast Chat / Re: God
« Last post by Bigali on Today at 03:23:33 PM »


I also know some believers who aren't so kind as they are taught to be.


I had an old Great Aunt who like myself , had been brought up in a fairly strict Presbyterian /Salvation Army household and a favourite saying of hers was " give me a sinner every time ! "


 :D
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Belfast Chat / Re: God
« Last post by belle on Today at 02:25:17 PM »
I do believe in God, with all my heart and soul.  Why?  i KNOW, just KNOW He exists.  I believe He has been revealed to me by The Holy Spirit.  I believe In Jesus Christ, the Son Of God, my saviour. I believe He suffered, died and rose from the dead and will come again.

It's given to everyone to believe and I understand that it's not easy, i don't find it easy myself at times. 

I don't believe that all those who don't believe in Gad are bad people.  I know some wonderfully kind unbelievers who care passionately about others.  I also know some believers who aren't so kind as they are taught to be.
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Belfast History and Memories / Re: Cape Street.
« Last post by arkie two on Today at 12:42:43 PM »
Please forgive, haven't read all the posts due to the fact that i have an illness called "Lazyitis" but Eileen Delahunty, lovely girl, very curvy, what about the McGuires?
 :-*            DID THEY COME FROM CAPE ST?
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Belfast Genealogy / Re: Donaghy family of 52 Raglan Street
« Last post by CMcG on Today at 12:27:48 PM »
Speculative stuff, but I wondered about these 2 deaths at 54 McDonnell Street (with the usual caveat that ages might be out, usu. understated):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05885/4669404.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05842/4655014.pdf

Could the informant called 'Ellen' have been Mary Ellen?

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Belfast Genealogy / Re: Donaghy family of 52 Raglan Street
« Last post by CMcG on Today at 12:07:43 PM »
... continued

Then there was the following birth of an Elizabeth Keenan on 9 November 1880, the parents recorded as carpenter John Keenan and Mary McClelland of 57 Derby Street: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02854/2046006.pdf

A baptism in St. Peter’s on 10 November 1880 for an Elizabeth Keenan cites the same birth date, the parents given as John Keenan and Mary McClelland of 57 Derby Street.

Then there was the following birth of a John Keenan on 2 July 1883, the parents recorded as carpenter John Keenan and Mary McLelland, critically the address this time was 43 Derby Street, which was James Keenan’s address at the time of his 1891 marriage to Mary Ellen Donaghy:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02727/2003118.pdf

Again there was a baptism for what looks like the same John Keenan in St Peter’s, it took place on 3 June 1883 and gave his birth date as 2 June 1883, the parents recorded as John Keenan and Mary McClelland of 43 Derby Street.

I also noticed a death 3 years earlier on 23 June 1880 of a 16 year old John Joseph Keenan at 57 Derby Street, the informant was Mary Keenan of the same address:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06469/4860929.pdf

The death notice in the Belfast Telegraph of  23 June 1880 said ‘KEENAN June 23, at his father’s residence, 57, Derby Street, Belfast, John Joseph Keenan, aged 16 years.’  And sure enough, there was a baptism some 16 years earlier in St Patrick’s Belfast for a John Joseph Keenan, it took place on 26 December 1863 and the parents were recorded as John Keenan and Mary McClelland.  It might be the case that John Keenan b.1883 was named in honour of John Joseph Keenan d.1880, as was the custom.

The only potential ‘fit’ I can see so far for a marriage of parents in these cases is one that took place in St. Patrick’s Belfast on 28 July 1858 between John Keenan and Mary McClelland, the church record offers no additional information to rule it in or out, as a catholic marriage there won’t be a civil record for it (ie. it was pre civil registration of catholic marriages).

So it’s a bit all over the place, I’m still trying to work it out, one theory I suppose is that a Mary Conway married a McClelland, was widowed, remarried in 1858 (to John Keenan) and there was simply confusion over the term ‘formerly’ when it came to give her name in the birth registrations for her children?

But suffice to say that it looks for now as if James Keenan who married Mary Ellen Donaghy in 1891 was one of as family of children to John Keenan and Mary Conway/ McClelland.
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Belfast Genealogy / Re: Donaghy family of 52 Raglan Street
« Last post by CMcG on Today at 12:02:39 PM »
Just some early thoughts on the background of James Keenan.  The 1891 civil record of marriage to Mary Ellen Donaghy indicated his address as 43 Derby Street, his birthyear as c. 1872, and his father as ‘John Keenan’, ‘Alive Carpenter’, one of the witnesses was a Mary Ellen Keenan:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10665/5886380.pdf

The church record of the marriage identified the couples’ parents, but not the mothers’ maiden names - James’ were given as John and Marianne Keenan. However, the following marriage just under 3 years earlier in 1888 is interesting because the address matches exactly - 43 Derby Street, it’s for a 21 year old Ann Keenan to William Neeson, Ann’s father is recorded as ‘John Keenan (Alive)’, ‘Clerk of Works’:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10772/5928847.pdf

The church record of the marriage identified the couples’ parents, critically this included the mothers’ maiden names - Ann’s were given as John Keenan and Mary Conway.

I can see a baptism in St. Peter’s Belfast that took place on 2 April 1873 for a James Keenan, who was born on 31 March 1873 and whose parents were given as John Keenan and Mary Conway of Derby Street.  However, the only civil record I can find is this one for a James Keenan born on 28 May 1873 for parents recorded as carpenter John Keenan and Mary McClelland of 57 Derby Street - while a late registration is plausible, I don’t understand the ‘McClelland’ bit:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03201/2173675.pdf

Then there is also the following later birth of a Mary Ellen Keenan on 10 January 1877 (is this the witness to the 1891 marriage of James Keenan to Mary Ellen Donaghy?), the parents recorded as carpenter John Keenan and Mary McClelland of 57 Derby Street:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03026/2109057.pdf

Yet there is a baptism in St. Peter’s Belfast that took place on 11 December 1876 for a Mary Ellen Keenan who was born on 10 December 1876 and whose parents were given as John Keenan and Mary Conway of Derby Street.

Contrast these with the following earlier birth of a Patrick Keenan on 21 September 1870, the parents recorded as carpenter John Keenan and Mary Conway of 57 Derby Street:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03326/2219299.pdf

And again there is a baptism in St. Peter’s, it took place on 21 September 1870 for a Patrick Keenan who was born on 20 September 1870 whose parents were given as John Keenan and Mary Conway of Derby Street.

to continue...


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Belfast Chat / Re: Edwin Poots and others.
« Last post by Creaky on Today at 10:14:35 AM »
So McElduff has resigned. And so he should. But SF missed a perfect opportunity here to gain some credibility. They should have expelled him at the time, instead of supporting him and giving him a token 3 month suspension. After all, his departure was inevitable.
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Old Belfast Photos / Re: Groomsport in the 1960s
« Last post by Creaky on Today at 10:09:57 AM »

Certainly is a small world Sachs. I didn't know Ian so well but do remember him. I think he was the younger of the two but no, I haven't seen Brian in years. We all went about together in a crowd in the early/mid 70's and as happens we parted company as we all got paired off and moved on.


Culshaw? I remember him all right. Didn't like him.   
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