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Title: Appalling
Post by: JackM on August 08, 2017, 12:53:24 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40856210

Surely no need for this loutish behaviour.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Nowhere man on August 09, 2017, 08:12:32 AM
Disgraceful scenes and by all accounts a minority of imbeciles, as always with these sorts of scenarios. It will be interesting to see next year the fall out when the council try to remove some of the othersides bonfires...probably going to be like this classic tune, 'you ain't seen nothing yet' - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cFRk0FfaQi0 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cFRk0FfaQi0)[
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: McNamee on August 09, 2017, 10:21:14 AM
The damaging of cars of workers who park in the Markets area is nothing new...My daughter had a lot of friends in work who parked there and when they went back the windows were smashed tyres slashed...This happened on a daily basis..and I am going back years here.

Vandalise for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Dot/dash on August 09, 2017, 10:59:26 AM


why hasn't someone got the  b a l l s      .     to ban these heinous bonfires   ..  they wouldn't be tolerated here

In France          nor in  England             too sectarian     .    >:D >:D
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: JackM on August 09, 2017, 12:34:35 PM
The damaging of cars of workers who park in the Markets area is nothing new...My daughter had a lot of friends in work who parked there and when they went back the windows were smashed tyres slashed...This happened on a daily basis..and I am going back years here.

Vandalise for the sake of it.

Indeed, vermin out to destroy hard working peoples property.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: JackM on August 09, 2017, 12:39:34 PM

why hasn't someone got the  b a l l s      .     to ban these heinous bonfires   ..  they wouldn't be tolerated here

In France          nor in  England             too sectarian     .    >:D >:D

I thought they had bonfires in England on November 5th ? They usually burn an effigy of a Catholic, who plotted to blow up a Protestant King ?  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: toadstool999 on August 09, 2017, 01:47:05 PM

why hasn't someone got the  b a l l s      .     to ban these heinous bonfires   ..  they wouldn't be tolerated here

In France          nor in  England             too sectarian     .    >:D >:D


You're absolutely right.  These obscenities have no place in society. They're an echo of  times which are best forgotten, but unfortunately the young folk building them have been brainwashed by their parents into thinking that this part of their "culture", so it's on ongoing chain. I've no idea how to break that chain.
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Nowhere man on August 09, 2017, 02:20:37 PM
Completely agree with ya Dot and Toady, have a  O0
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: belle on August 09, 2017, 02:34:55 PM
Totally agree!  I have often wonder why bonfires?
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: James James on August 09, 2017, 02:41:54 PM
why hasn't someone got the  b a l l s      .     to ban these heinous bonfires   ..  they wouldn't be tolerated here

In France          nor in  England             too sectarian     .    >:D >:D 
Whatttt. ?!!! Give up a tradition in Belfast,... especially a sectarian one. ! No no no,... and to prove the point, they're making them even bigger.  :) 

Can't help thinking too, that Donald would fit right in, in Belfast.  :)

https://vids.onsizzle.com/abc-news-north-korea-best-not-make-any-more-threats-27007541.mp4 (https://vids.onsizzle.com/abc-news-north-korea-best-not-make-any-more-threats-27007541.mp4)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC7yXs7XsAEw-ZJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Dargan on August 09, 2017, 03:29:19 PM
Now in these white-washed times of central heating, hairdye and 2 weeks a year in spain, people yet resort to the primal flickerings of their souls and reflect same by building fires. 'Tis a pity they can't be joint occasions without the stupid intervention of religions and the polarised eejits bred by it. Regards.
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: jjmack on August 09, 2017, 07:27:41 PM
Indeed, vermin out to destroy hard working peoples property.  >:D >:D

Damaged and vandalised cars in the Markets district is nothing new. It's been going on for a few decades.  >:D
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: jjmack on August 09, 2017, 07:28:42 PM
I thought they had bonfires in England on November 5th ? They usually burn an effigy of a Catholic, who plotted to blow up a Protestant King ?  ::) ::)

Indeed they do. Attended many when I lived in England. Lol  :D
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Dot/dash on August 09, 2017, 07:39:04 PM
I thought they had bonfires in England on November 5th ? They usually burn an effigy of a Catholic, who plotted to blow up a Protestant King ?  ::) ::)

effigy of a Catholic           where did that one come from         any 5th November fire I've been too            is a garden

bon fire          when compared to the ones          in  N. Ireland       .     health/safety assessment is a must     .
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Nowhere man on August 09, 2017, 07:57:45 PM
Being from England there is no comparison between the bonfires on the 5th Nov celebrations and that of some in Belfast. Zilch. Pretty desperate stuff. Effigy of a catholic?!? Stop it... :D
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Dot/dash on August 09, 2017, 07:59:41 PM
Being from England there is no comparison between the bonfires on the 5th Nov celebrations and that of some in Belfast. Zilch. Pretty desperate stuff. Effigy of a catholic?!? Stop it... :D

yip              :)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Nowhere man on August 09, 2017, 08:08:07 PM

yip              :)

Indeed, D. Family friendly fun for EVERYONE on the 5th.  :)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: belle on August 09, 2017, 08:15:08 PM

Indeed, D. Family friendly fun for EVERYONE on the 5th.  :)
For sure! :)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Dot/dash on August 09, 2017, 08:22:11 PM
For sure! :)

Belle last year's bonfire            was held in the church  of England  ground            great fun     :)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: BLOOMFIELD on August 09, 2017, 11:05:10 PM
 

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uLyCdFnoFk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uLyCdFnoFk)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OttNo41ab0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OttNo41ab0)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: buttercup on August 10, 2017, 12:18:07 AM
They should ban all bonfires, they have got out of control regarding the height and width and the damage they cause to health and property, I live in Canada and people celebrate the 12th in their own way as bonfires wouldn't, be allowed, I wonder how much the cleanup costs the Taxpayers. ?
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: jjmack on August 10, 2017, 05:13:40 AM
 

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uLyCdFnoFk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uLyCdFnoFk)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OttNo41ab0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OttNo41ab0)

Seems to me some of the 'Irish' living in England need to read a bit of English history, particularly regarding the origin of November 5th, or Guy Fawkes night as it's known.  :D  Imagine not knowing the history of ones adopted country.  :o :o
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: jjmack on August 10, 2017, 05:16:25 AM
They should ban all bonfires, they have got out of control regarding the height and width and the damage they cause to health and property, I live in Canada and people celebrate the 12th in their own way as bonfires wouldn't, be allowed, I wonder how much the cleanup costs the Taxpayers. ?

You are correct, bonfires where a risk to life or property is in danger should be banned.  :)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: jjmack on August 10, 2017, 05:40:38 AM
Indeed, vermin out to destroy hard working peoples property.  >:D >:D

Unfortunately as far as the Markets area is concerned, it's only another excuse to destroy people's property. A lovely advertisement for visitors.  >:D
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Nowhere man on August 10, 2017, 06:33:43 AM
 

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uLyCdFnoFk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uLyCdFnoFk)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OttNo41ab0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OttNo41ab0)

http://www.lewesbonfirecelebrations.com/ (http://www.lewesbonfirecelebrations.com/)
It's a festival and a bonfire that's celebrated by all parts of the community.  ::)  By all accounts, according to their marketing one of the last bonfire/festival celebrations...

Whatever the history as some are clinging onto, there is no division.
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: belle on August 10, 2017, 07:35:04 AM

Seems to me some of the 'Irish' living in England need to read a bit of English history, particularly regarding the origin of November 5th, or Guy Fawkes night as it's known.  :D  Imagine not knowing the history of ones adopted country.  :o :o

Seems to me you shouldn't teach your granny to suck eggs!  You assume a lot in your post.  :D

Oh and not all of us are interested in other people religious beliefs!  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: belle on August 10, 2017, 07:37:51 AM

Belle last year's bonfire            was held in the church  of England  ground            great fun     :)

We have a few arranged ones round here. You pay 50p in. The money goes to charity. It's good fun, there's always fireworks and you can buy food. The children love it. I love the fire works.  :)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Nowhere man on August 10, 2017, 07:46:33 AM
Seems to me you shouldn't teach your granny to suck eggs!  You assume a lot in your post.  :D

Oh and not all of us are interested in other people religious beliefs!  ::) ;)

Exactly, Belle. It's like an obsession with some... :o
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: belle on August 10, 2017, 08:00:01 AM

Exactly, Belle. It's like an obsession with some... :o

It wouldn't be the first question i would ask someone, in fact i wouldn't ask at all!  :)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Nowhere man on August 10, 2017, 08:24:13 AM
It wouldn't be the first question i would ask someone, in fact i wouldn't ask at all!  :)

Indeed, never would be something that crosses my mind. Interestingly, I spoke to a neighbour the other day and he said, "I am sure you know we are born again christians?" I didn't and I am not too sure why he felt the need to tell me...I had borrowed his drill and was giving it back.  :D
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: James James on August 10, 2017, 10:52:25 AM
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uLyCdFnoFk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uLyCdFnoFk)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OttNo41ab0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OttNo41ab0)
One small town in the whole of England, and a festival which is formally organised by several different organisations. !

Sorry, but that/those events are totally untypical and unrepresentative of most of the mainland in terms of 5th November bonfires, most of which are now pretty much of a rarity in respect of what they used to be, and they don't and never did carry the same intended provocative/triumphalist intimidatory political, religious, and social baggage that they always have done in Belfast and Ulster, and as for the political context of the guy, if mainland people are even aware of it, they just regard it as a symbol of an historical event, and not as something that has any current political or social relevance.

The 5th of November, and any of the increasingly rare bonfires that still get created for it on the mainland have no more political, religious, or social relevance to people on the mainland than does a village fiesta to the villagers in Spain,... and there is absolutely no mutual equivalence nor comparative relevance between Belfast and Ulster bonfires and mainland 5th November bonfires and the respective reasons for them and for what they represent.
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Hairoil777 on August 10, 2017, 12:02:40 PM
I thnk we should have more bonfires really, bigger and higher.... plenty of tyres.
Its homely.
Dont hold me to that though, i need to do some more research on it and i'll be back with my findings.  ;)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: belle on August 10, 2017, 01:14:13 PM
The bonfire we go to is very organised.  The fire is never very high and the fire work are splendid! I love them. If the bonfire wasn't there i'd still go for the fire works and to raise money for charity. In all the years i have been going i have never ever heard anyone mention religion or indeed the reason for the bonfire. I live in a big city.
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: misssmyth1 on September 12, 2017, 11:29:37 AM
I agree with JJ  .re: the bonfires in the UK for 5th November.... the fires in Ni just keep the 'problem' going on but cannot see it changing ..  when we were children we hadn't a clue what it was all  about.. just thought it was a bit exciting ...  a big fire...   but as adults we have a choice whether to join in or not . It will not ever end though as many people like to have it going on each year and keep the hatred going .. very sad in this day and age.
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: GandT on September 12, 2017, 11:40:39 AM

Fair enough and I don't want to enter the bonfire controversy too much. But are we forgetting something - I mean old Guy gets a right roasting each year, wasn't it about some plot to rebel and overthrow, wasn't it to do with some Catholics or other wanting to change the state, wasn't it a good few centuries ago, was it always just fund and japes blah, blah, blah! How come one country's view of what it does is considered so quaint, polite, humorous, jolly good fun and so on. Just that they left the hate and the history behind earlier? Distance, it appears, lends enchantment - the 5th November must surely once have had some ....dare I say it.....sectarian undertones!

I don't want to enter the whole NI controversy and I have made it clear in the past that I think individual communities only can finally solve the problem. Once again, however, there is always that degree of noblesse oblige, hypocrisy and double-standards when the 'civilised' English point out to us in NI how backward we are. Are we? Or are we just more forthright?
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: James James on September 12, 2017, 04:48:07 PM
Yeah right, the current Belfast bonfires are being built like mini skyscrapers just for fun, and to avoid making any problems for themselves, the authorities are allowing it to happen,... and the last time that they did that,... they spent thirty years trying to deal with the consequences of what their indifference and inaction led to.
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Nowhere man on September 12, 2017, 05:38:09 PM
Fair enough and I don't want to enter the bonfire controversy too much. But are we forgetting something - I mean old Guy gets a right roasting each year, wasn't it about some plot to rebel and overthrow, wasn't it to do with some Catholics or other wanting to change the state, wasn't it a good few centuries ago, was it always just fund and japes blah, blah, blah! How come one country's view of what it does is considered so quaint, polite, humorous, jolly good fun and so on. Just that they left the hate and the history behind earlier? Distance, it appears, lends enchantment - the 5th November must surely once have had some ....dare I say it.....sectarian undertones!

I don't want to enter the whole NI controversy and I have made it clear in the past that I think individual communities only can finally solve the problem. Once again, however, there is always that degree of noblesse oblige, hypocrisy and double-standards when the 'civilised' English point out to us in NI how backward we are. Are we? Or are we just more forthright?

A marked difference in the extremeness, G&T. The ones in England are minimal and usually council permitted and safe. It is generally an all are welcome affair and causes no damage to buildings etc. Furthermore the cost in cleaning afterwards is small and they are few and far between. Also you get a splendid firework display at some.

No, there is no sectarian undertones, well none that I have been to - everyone is welcome from all parts of the community.
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: James James on September 12, 2017, 05:53:46 PM
This is not what used to be classed as a typical sort of Belfast bonfire,... and it's clearly intended to be sending out a particular and very obvious message.

(http://i1.belfastlive.co.uk/incoming/article9189723.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/bonfire1.png)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: toadstool999 on September 12, 2017, 07:07:09 PM
This is not what used to be classed as a typical sort of Belfast bonfire,... and it's clearly intended to be sending out a particular and very obvious message.

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Do they take the fleg down before they light it?   "Hey Sammy, climb up there and get the fleg."  "[censored]* off, get it yerself!"
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: White dee on September 12, 2017, 09:26:25 PM


Who's that on top  ???  wee Wullie  :D  Ach go on ya Bhoyo  :D
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: GandT on September 12, 2017, 09:53:22 PM


A marked difference in the extremeness, G&T. The ones in England are minimal and usually council permitted and safe. It is generally an all are welcome affair and causes no damage to buildings etc. Furthermore the cost in cleaning afterwards is small and they are few and far between. Also you get a splendid firework display at some.

No, there is no sectarian undertones, well none that I have been to - everyone is welcome from all parts of the community.

No, I accept that all that you say is true of modern bonfires etc. in England. My point is simply that we are not at that point and that England has now reached it does not give people a right to lecture. I also said that at one stage the sectarian motive had to be there - not that it exists currently. I just don't like the idea that some places possessed of the zeal of the converted non-smoker [no pun intended] take it upon themselves to lecture others. I am also firmly of the opinion [based on my own experience and what I know of people here] is that hostility, criticism, mockery, aggressive moralising and so on simply do not and will not work. Progress may be slow but reform has to come from within communities - no amount of hectoring will achieve what 'insiders' can work.

I hate the whole bonfire scene and wish it would disappear tomorrow but I am old enough to remember when 'we' did it; when we sang sectarian songs; don't remember burning flags or effigies but can't say it didn't happen; some drinking and 'carousing' until late hours and so on. It was a long, long, long time ago and I was basically a kid - not quite as long as Guy Fawkes, mind you - but a short enough time for me not to take moral high ground as a means of dissuading others!
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: jjmack on September 13, 2017, 05:25:26 AM

No, I accept that all that you say is true of modern bonfires etc. in England. My point is simply that we are not at that point and that England has now reached it does not give people a right to lecture. I also said that at one stage the sectarian motive had to be there - not that it exists currently. I just don't like the idea that some places possessed of the zeal of the converted non-smoker [no pun intended] take it upon themselves to lecture others. I am also firmly of the opinion [based on my own experience and what I know of people here] is that hostility, criticism, mockery, aggressive moralising and so on simply do not and will not work. Progress may be slow but reform has to come from within communities - no amount of hectoring will achieve what 'insiders' can work.

I hate the whole bonfire scene and wish it would disappear tomorrow but I am old enough to remember when 'we' did it; when we sang sectarian songs; don't remember burning flags or effigies but can't say it didn't happen; some drinking and 'carousing' until late hours and so on. It was a long, long, long time ago and I was basically a kid - not quite as long as Guy Fawkes, mind you - but a short enough time for me not to take moral high ground as a means of dissuading others!

Well said.  :)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Nowhere man on September 13, 2017, 08:33:55 AM

No, I accept that all that you say is true of modern bonfires etc. in England. My point is simply that we are not at that point and that England has now reached it does not give people a right to lecture. I also said that at one stage the sectarian motive had to be there - not that it exists currently. I just don't like the idea that some places possessed of the zeal of the converted non-smoker [no pun intended] take it upon themselves to lecture others. I am also firmly of the opinion [based on my own experience and what I know of people here] is that hostility, criticism, mockery, aggressive moralising and so on simply do not and will not work. Progress may be slow but reform has to come from within communities - no amount of hectoring will achieve what 'insiders' can work.

I hate the whole bonfire scene and wish it would disappear tomorrow but I am old enough to remember when 'we' did it; when we sang sectarian songs; don't remember burning flags or effigies but can't say it didn't happen; some drinking and 'carousing' until late hours and so on. It was a long, long, long time ago and I was basically a kid - not quite as long as Guy Fawkes, mind you - but a short enough time for me not to take moral high ground as a means of dissuading others!

Fair enough, G&T. I wrote my response a bit quick when dashing for the bus out the rain so didn't take in the intricacies of your post. Agree on most of your points and I hadn't really thought of it from the timeframe point of view in line with the 5th November.

I didn't realise the English, unless you are referring to the media, paid much attention to the pastime? I am sure the news programmes might show a bit on the mainland. The English people I know don't have a scooby doo what goes in NI and of the ones who have been over to visit they struggle to get their heads round it. Maybe based on historical context, in England you would not be able to construct such bonfires without the council removing it and if you were persistent a charge from the police. Again, different places different histories I guess...

Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: desi on September 13, 2017, 09:45:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBdoyYH4QZ0 ??? ??? ??? :o :D
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: desi on September 13, 2017, 10:12:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuFImGi5q5Q
This is sick ,they now give them money to light bonfires ,and they call it Culture  ??? ??? :o >:D >:D
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: misssmyth1 on September 13, 2017, 12:33:58 PM
  just pointed out that the bonfires in England are more 'Historical'   and organised not done  to rub in to peoples faces that they one religion or another ..I don't like any of it personally never go to any of them.. guy fawkes was a bad man who was trying to blow up Parliament he got caught the fires are to celebrate his failure to do so.. He wasn't always a catholic his mother remarried someone of that persuasion and Guy  became a fanatic . He was to be hung drawn and quartered but he fell of the scaffold and broke his neck but was still drawn and quartered but at least he' didn't feel a thing'  although he was tortured terribly previously apparently... these bonfires / events are carried out today  just because' they always' have been'  and same in NI It will never end and keeps the hatred and bigotary going on for another generation very sad..  but I don't live there anymore  (since 1970)  so probably not entitled to a say ..I left because of it all going on never thought it would go on so long though- heartbreaking...
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: Nowhere man on September 13, 2017, 02:29:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBdoyYH4QZ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBdoyYH4QZ0) ??? ??? ??? :o :D

That did make me chuckle, very good.
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: misssmyth1 on September 13, 2017, 03:10:31 PM
Jolene bumbling her way through her speech embarrasing at the least . she should have at least read through it a few times and rehearsed it. public speaking is not easy but it looked as if it was the first time she'd set eyes on it and came across as if she did not understand what it was all about..
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: James James on September 13, 2017, 07:07:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuFImGi5q5Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuFImGi5q5Q)
This is sick ,they now give them money to light bonfires ,and they call it Culture  ??? ??? :o >:D >:D
:) Was that not perhaps intended to be a part of Arlene's RHI scheme.  ::)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: James James on September 13, 2017, 09:07:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBdoyYH4QZ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBdoyYH4QZ0) ??? ??? ??? :o :D
That's a totally brilliant screamer.  :)

(https://s26.postimg.org/thim05hwp/jb1.png)

(https://s26.postimg.org/qopeg4hk9/jb2.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/olez8ghrd/jb3.gif)

She reminds me of someone who is thinking in one language, and is trying to speak in another language, and who doesn't realise what they're actually saying.  :)

There's a sort of bizarrely appealing quality to her though.

Anybody who says anything so obviously bats crazy and who really does believe what they're saying, and who doesn't realise how absurd it sounds, is, in a really odd way, kind of deserving of some sort of, albeit undeserved, respect for their honesty.

There's a sort of unpremeditated innocent honesty about what she says.  ::)

She just might have given Ulster politics what it might be most in need of, apart from some common sense that is,... i.e. more comedy.

Actually, I really like her though,... and I think that I would probably vote for her, just to be able to hear what sort of remarks she'd come out with once she was in office.  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-8XMIBj2p4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-8XMIBj2p4)
Title: Re: Appalling
Post by: BLOOMFIELD on September 13, 2017, 10:38:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBdoyYH4QZ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBdoyYH4QZ0) ??? ??? ??? :o :D

OMG, is she still in diapers  ???

Who voted for this CHILD     :o

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