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Title: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 12, 2006, 10:26:35 PM
Anyone who has an Ancestor or friend from Northern or Southern Ireland and who served in the first or second wars and would like to add their name to a database I'm creating on my site, please email me
[email protected]

sample:-
WW1  http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww1soldiers.database.htm
WW2  http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww2soldiers.database.htm

I MODIFIED THE LINKS FOR THE WW1 AND WW2 DATABASE AND ONLY REALISED THE LINKS POSTED DIDN'T WORK WHEN SOMEONE EMAILED ME, I'VE CHANGED THEM IN THESE POSTS BUT IF ANYONE HAS POSTED THE LINKS ELSEWHERE COULD THEY PLEASE EITHER MODIFY THEM OR POST THE NEW LINKS. ...SORRY FOR THE BOTHER  Mary
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ulsterstan on October 12, 2006, 11:37:36 PM
Brilliant site ,wish i could help  iwas born in 1938 but had plenty of  kin who served but they're gone now.   
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 12, 2006, 11:42:20 PM
Hi Stan, If you have their army details and maybe a picture, you can still add them :)
doesn't have to be an army picture, I'm sure many people don't have those, as long as they were born in Ireland, they qualify.

its looking a big scarce so far  ::) I need more hours in the day
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ulsterstan on October 12, 2006, 11:56:27 PM
Sorry Mary I wouldn't have a clue as I've been in California 48 years.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Christopher on October 13, 2006, 12:38:13 AM
Hiya Mary, I've just returned from a couple of hours in a local pub where I had a couple of glasses of wine.
A friend, Susan, is working there now. She is related to an interesting family.  John Counsell  (http://www.theatreroyalwindsor.co.uk/pages/history.html) was connected with the Theatre Royal at Windsor. He joined the army and was there when the Germans put their signatures to the truce at the end of World War II. An uncle of Susan's, in his eighties, living in the north of Ireland, was as far as I know in the army.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 13, 2006, 12:46:55 AM
That's pretty neat  :)
I just found some stuff of my Granda's and apparently he was a bit of an entertainer himself  ::)
Wylie & Black, Coloured Comedy Entertainers, as booked by the Belfast Corporation at Bellevue, not very pc now but hey, its the only claim to fame I can find in my history lol
Not even related to John Lennon

Hope ya had 1 for me...cheers
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Christopher on October 13, 2006, 01:03:07 AM
I had one for you Mary. We must meet and have one together some of these days ;)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 13, 2006, 10:16:37 PM
you buyin' ?  :-\

Stan. .I can think of worse places to be for 48 years  ;D
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: orangelil on October 13, 2006, 11:32:08 PM
Hi Mary
I don't have a photo of him but my great uncle Tommy died in WW1 if you would like his details for your site?
Karen
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 14, 2006, 12:20:04 AM
Hi Karen, absolutely, send me what you have, if you ever get a photo, doesn't have to be a war picture, can be a more recent one if you like. .
see the type of info I need and if you have a website, add that too or any other links relevant (having problems spelling that lol ) to your Great Uncle, send those also

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww1soldiers.database.htm

Mary
and welcome, you're my first addition not of my family :)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Christopher on October 14, 2006, 02:28:06 AM
Mary, I can offer an ARP Warden in the Ardmillan/Ballydorn/Killinchy locality but I'm not sure if I can find a picture of him in his uniform. Will you be doing a special website for ARP Wardens. What about members of the RAF and the Royal Navy? (They're not soldiers though). The father (a Lieutenant Commander) of a guy at school with me went down with HMS Hood (my sister has the address of the guy who was at school with me). A brother of the sailor on HMS Hood was in the RAF and died at age eighteen .. he lied about his age when he enlisted. There was a third brother but I'm not certain which service he was in. The brother in law of the guy on HMS Hood was my godfather .. he served in the army and ended up with the rank of Major. He was later a member of the Alliance Party and a High Sheriff of the City of Belfast. I've lost touch with his two children. They used to live at Holland Park on the Sandown Road.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 14, 2006, 11:11:39 AM
yes That's where it gets confusing, I thought I'd just start with soldiers from Ireland, North and South and maybe expand to the UK, I'm not sure if I can handle what 'may' come in if I do all of 'The British Isles'

If you check out what details I need here,  http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww1soldiers.database.htm   you can give me as much as I can get in the space allocated or can give links to personal sites with further details, really just a summary and the photo doesn't have to be in uniform, not everyone is lucky enough to have those.

If I get as many soldiers as I think I will, I could really do with someone to keep an eye on me to make sure I don't do double listings, that's why it would be advisable to check with relatives of soldiers who are not related to you if you are listing them, incase they have already done so or are planning to.

I can see this is going to get confusing, I'm afraid incase it gets too big for the space I have available, I will list everyone who wants and if it gets to big, well, I'll deal with it then.

Mary :)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: brian on October 14, 2006, 07:48:03 PM
Mary,
I have picked up a few photocopies from the Belfast Telegraph which showed photos of soldiers etc. If you're interested, I can send some to you for your site?
I have also a couple of relatives in the army durring the war , and will post you detail soon.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 14, 2006, 07:52:14 PM
Brain, Yes please, send them to [email protected] and your relatives' information also, and if sending a picture, scan it high quality so I can get the best image possible.
Mary :)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Christopher on October 14, 2006, 08:20:47 PM
I'm confused already Mary.

Your first message says anyone who served but your website specifically refers to soldiers. Soldiers are slightly different to members of the RAF and RN. If the website had said "Armed Forces" rather than "Soldiers" the matter would be perfectly clear.

Anyone who has an Ancestor or friend from Northern or Southern Ireland and who served in the first or second wars

Chris
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 14, 2006, 08:32:36 PM
 Well if anyone else gets confused, you can start a new forum for the confused ::)

and they were all soldiers.  :)  to me

Think I'll just wait and see what happens, long long day today and I'm so tired I can't think straight.  ;)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Christopher on October 14, 2006, 09:02:39 PM
You're doing a great job there Mary :D
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 15, 2006, 12:20:53 AM
aw Thank you and after I was cheeky to you too  :-[  :-X but I mean in nicely :P
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 15, 2006, 08:35:12 PM
ok had a think.  (and no, it didn't hurt >:( )
I have to use the term soldiers and I don't want to have lots of different catagories, surely if I put the list in alphabetical order and mix Soldiers, Sailors, ARP and whoever else there is, that would suffice would it not?
Remember I'm only a child, I wasn't even born during any of the wars  :)

to include all Armed Forces, Merchant Mariners and ARP Wardens

how does that grab ya?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 15, 2006, 08:39:59 PM
bit more.  ..my brother says to include Home Guard even though they are under armed forces, he's a politician  ::)

to include all Armed Forces (including Home Guard),  Merchant Mariners and ARP Wardens
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: independentsoul on October 17, 2006, 05:54:07 AM
Mary,

I am going to  send you a link and information on my grand uncle, John (jack) Agnew.  He has several pictures on the site link,  I will let you choose what works best for your website.

Dawn
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 17, 2006, 07:29:28 PM
Dawn  ;D excellent
Mary
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: independentsoul on October 17, 2006, 08:29:55 PM
Mary,

Your email came back undeliverable.  I will send it again.
Dawn
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 17, 2006, 08:42:01 PM
ok if it bounces again I'll give you another email addy, Hotmail is so. .temperamental, its almost male  8)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: orangelil on October 17, 2006, 10:39:35 PM
 :) ;D
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: independentsoul on October 18, 2006, 01:41:28 AM
Mary,

 ;D  good one!!!

Dawn
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: independentsoul on October 18, 2006, 01:50:26 AM
Mary,

I keep hetting a "host unknown error" from your email. Should I send it to another email?
Dawn
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Christopher on October 18, 2006, 02:03:32 AM
Dawn, at least you are getting a response. This modern technology .. it's totally beyond me. I'm having problems getting an email through to a person who lives reasonably close to me. Nothing is being bounced back to me so presumably my message is out there somewhere waiting for the person to receive it. She keeps emailing me to ask if I'm getting her messages .. if she's not getting mine what's the point in my replying? BTW she emptied her mail box so that's not the problem.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 18, 2006, 08:26:17 AM
Dawn, I will send you an email first and you can reply to it, that sometimes works. .on it's way.
Mary
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 18, 2006, 03:29:57 PM
I believe that some email clients actually bar Hotmail emails. ... :o can you believe that, I've had this email address for 7 years (hence the 42 when I'm actually now 49 but don't tell anyone) and in the past year the amount of p*nis enlargements and [censored] I've been offered has increased a hundredfold.

Mary
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: independentsoul on October 18, 2006, 03:32:50 PM
Mary,

Ya know, I was thinking it might be on my end with the blocking thing. I had an issue a few months back where other servers wopuld block my emails because someone else who uses the same company as me was sending bad email.

I will try a different email if it comes back
Dawn

Oh and I wont tell.  ;)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 18, 2006, 04:00:20 PM
ok we're all sorted  :) Dawn
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 18, 2006, 07:10:04 PM
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww2soldiers.database.htm

need more people. ..those three are lonely in there

Is John Agnew still alive Dawn?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: independentsoul on October 18, 2006, 11:42:39 PM
Mary,

Thanks!  Yes, he still is alive and well.  He lives in Montgomery County, Pa.  In fact, just for some more history. Ever since the government removed the ban on speaking about the war and what the soldiers saw, he has been doing classroom speeches, library talks, taken tours around the world for different celebrations, and all sorts of ways to educate people on the war.  He has even been on TV.  He is doing more now than when he first retired.  I have a great picture of him in his 'dress' uniform. It shows his face well.

Dawn
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: eddiec on October 19, 2006, 12:22:19 AM
need more people. ..those three are lonely in there

If I get some time I'll send you some info on a few more...
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 19, 2006, 02:32:53 PM
Thank you Eddiec  :)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: independentsoul on October 19, 2006, 06:39:58 PM
Mary,

I have 2 more, but I have to gathe information on one of them.  One I know was in the Royal Air force. The other Us Army.

I also got a great picture of my uncle to replace the one you had put up.

Dawn
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 19, 2006, 08:04:24 PM
Dawn, that's great :)
I have transferred or am in the process of transferring the lennonwylie site at the minute, my hosters were kicking up about bandwidth lol i have no idea whats happening as my brother is doing it all via logmein, quite scary watching someone else in your pc and not able to do anything lol

Mary
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 20, 2006, 09:34:49 AM
The site has been moved to its new server, the name stays the same, same link, no changes

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk

Mary 8)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 20, 2006, 11:11:37 AM
Karen aka orangelil
Do you have an email address I can use with the 2 gentlemen you have added to the ww1 & ww2 soldiers database? It's not compulsory, just if you'd like to incase others are researching those names and want or have information to exchange with you.

Mary
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: independentsoul on October 20, 2006, 04:31:32 PM
Mary,

I am glad the server swap worked.  Here is a picture of my uncle Jack. I can also email if you like...

It was taken November 1943,  He would have been 21.

Dawn
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on October 20, 2006, 07:21:05 PM
he's a babe   ;)

Thank you, will put it up now
Mary

re best of all, the swap means no money to pay, I luv my brother  :-X
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: independentsoul on October 23, 2006, 04:20:23 AM
Mary,

Thank you.  :D

Dawn
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ulsterroots on November 19, 2006, 03:08:25 PM
Hi Mary,

Have you been to the Commonwealth War Graves Site -

http://www.cwgc.org

This is one of my gguncles -

http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=292226
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on November 19, 2006, 05:36:39 PM
Ulsterroots, I seem to be in that site more than anywhere else these days, can I add your gguncles to my list, have you a photograph or any other info you'd like to add?
Send me all the info [email protected]
Mary
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: AL CAPONE on November 20, 2006, 07:34:12 PM
 ???
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on November 20, 2006, 08:08:44 PM
aw al...whats wong?  :( ???
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: AL CAPONE on November 20, 2006, 08:15:34 PM
what this about the [censored]?? ;D
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Kathleen2 on November 25, 2006, 04:48:51 PM
Hi Mary, I just sent you some details and a photo of my grandfather, James McGimpsey, who was killed in action in France in WW1 at the age of 21. I hope you got it. Brilliant site by the way !
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MAgeeka on November 26, 2006, 01:54:42 AM
Hi Wee Kathleen
How are ye girl.
I have lost your phone number.   Would you possibly P.M it to me and I will charm you with a good Irish song.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Christopher on November 27, 2006, 01:19:54 PM
Mageeka, is there a CD of you singing ??? I've learnt we have a Forum guitarist. We may well have more than one. Would it be possible for the musicians to tape a few numbers and then add you singing those numbers? I gather all sorts of technical wonders can be achieved these days. A singer and a group can make albums and yet be in different parts of the world.
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Post by: MAgeeka on November 27, 2006, 11:50:31 PM
Chris
I just sing like anyone else
However I do play classical clarinet
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: giannineo on November 28, 2006, 12:19:13 AM
Yip Christopher, I believe Leonard Cohen made a lot of his Ten New Songs Album via the internet and from the loft of his Los Angeles garage.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on November 28, 2006, 08:26:30 AM
Chris
I just sing like anyone else
However I do play classical clarinet

Not like me you don't.  ;D I love to sing but going by the reaction of my son and dog, it's not pretty  :o

I always wanted to play the saxaphone.....sighs
Kenny 'G' is my hero
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: giannineo on November 28, 2006, 01:27:36 PM
Mary,who is Kenny?Glad to hear I am your hero ;D
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Post by: MaryLennon on November 28, 2006, 01:37:32 PM
of course you are but not musically.  ;)

http://kennyg.com/host.htm
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Post by: giannineo on November 28, 2006, 09:40:55 PM
Kenny G. Seriously never heard of him,but once I have my sound working on my PC I will hear the boy regardless of his white blouse and Diana Ross hairstyle.
      Mary,I might surprise you musically.I once won a damsel's heart by singing Carrickfergus to her.Then I drank too much and blew it....and her dad was loaded.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on November 28, 2006, 09:43:20 PM
was she breathing?   ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: giannineo on November 28, 2006, 10:02:45 PM
Breathing ues but visually challenged,new to Ireland and thought all Irishmen were romantics.Oh aye,tone deaf as well.I was 24 and she could have passed for 42 in the dark with the light behind her.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on November 28, 2006, 10:05:46 PM
experience comes with age, don't knock it, used to be a young boys dream, now its a court case
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Christopher on November 29, 2006, 12:04:46 AM
Chris
I just sing like anyone else
However I do play classical clarinet

Not like me you don't.  ;D I love to sing but going by the reaction of my son and dog, it's not pretty  :o

I always wanted to play the saxaphone.....sighs
Kenny 'G' is my hero

Mary, I doubt that dogs are expert music critics. I'm not too sure about sons .. I'm a bachelor but I have heard the "boom, boom, booms" from car stereos as young lads drive around Ballynahinch and wondered if it was music that I was hearing. Pyotr (Peter) Ilyich Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture complete with cannon sounds much better to me. You carry on singing Mary. You may carry on sining too if you wish although I'm not quite sure what that word means 8)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MAgeeka on November 30, 2006, 05:05:36 AM
Chris
An old musicians joke
A sax player, is a clarinetist who couldn't cut it

 Chris.
What do you call a guy that hangs around with musicians ??

A "Drummer ! "
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MAgeeka on November 30, 2006, 05:08:56 AM
Chris
 Unlike us.  Mary is quite the wee sinner I bet
Och Mary, I didnt mean it .
I will say 3 rosaries for that
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on November 30, 2006, 08:23:58 AM
you bad Mageeka  :P ;D
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Christopher on November 30, 2006, 06:51:24 PM
 The Wartime Memories Project - STALAG XXA POW Camp (357, Stalag Kopernikus)  (http://www.wartimememories.co.uk/pow/stalag20a.html)
website makes a couple of references to actor Sam Kydd who was born in Belfast in 1915. 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on November 30, 2006, 06:56:29 PM
interesting site Christopher
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Post by: Christopher on November 30, 2006, 07:00:15 PM
interesting site Christopher

Now I wonder if we have a chance of getting in touch with someone who has a photo
of Sam Kydd in the POW Camp, Mary. That would be quite a scoop for Belfast Forum.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on November 30, 2006, 07:05:50 PM
http://www.wwiimemories.com/journals/rcjournalsAA1006.jpg
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Post by: Christopher on November 30, 2006, 07:11:53 PM
http://www.wwiimemories.com/journals/rcjournalsAA1006.jpg

Well done, Mary 8)
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Post by: MAgeeka on December 01, 2006, 11:45:26 PM
God that name Sam Kydd brings back to memory, lot, of old T.V plays, from the fifties and sixties
Does anyone remember a play on T.V called "the kipper or the herring?"
In the play the daughter of the house, did not want to eat the dinner, which was a herring or kipper.  So her father, (who I think was played by Sam) served the same fish up to her every night.
Does anyone know what regiment Sam Kydd served in ?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on December 02, 2006, 11:07:22 AM
As his father was in the army, Sam had joined the Territorial Army in the late nineteen thirties, but rarely attended. However, when War was declared, he was naturally one of the first to be called up. After training, he was sent out with the British Expeditionary force to Calais. He was captured. His book "For You The War Is Over" about his five years in a prison camp, is worth reading. He makes light of the immense deprivation and ill-health he suffered.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Christopher on December 03, 2006, 06:34:51 PM
Local film producer, John T. Davis, is looking for stories of love that blossomed at the airbases here during WWII. He is shooting a film called "Tailwind" for BBC Northern Ireland. John was inspired to start this project as his own parents met during the war. His Dad met his Mum when he was based here and when the war was over he came back and settled down with her. "Tailwind" will be made at three former airbases.  Ballyhalbert  (http://uk.msnusers.com/ballyhalbert/airfieldchronolgy.msnw) where the fighter squadrons were,  Langford Lodge  (http://dnausers.d-n-a.net/dnetrAzQ/LANGFORD.TXT) on the shores of Lough Neagh, near Crumlin, which was an American Air Force base and  Castle Archdale in Co. Fermanagh  (http://www.junobeach.org/e/4/can-tac-air-coa-e.htm) where the  Catalina Flying Boats  (http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/catalina.htm) were based. If you know of anyone who has a suitable story please contact John .. either by phoning him on 9042 3160 or sending him an email at [email protected]
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MAgeeka on December 03, 2006, 08:04:44 PM
Hate to say it chris, but i know of some close sad  stories which happened to girls who knew some of the G.Is who were based in Fermanagh
Chris do you know if that Fermanagh base, was near a town named  (Excuse spelling )   Monie or money
Hope the movie works out.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Christopher on December 04, 2006, 01:58:21 AM
The nearest town to Castle Archdale is Irvinestown
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MAgeeka on December 04, 2006, 07:06:52 AM
Christopher sorry to belabor this
But is there or was there a place in Fermanagh called Monie, or sonething that sounds like that ?
Maybe a townland ?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MAgeeka on December 04, 2006, 07:17:40 AM
Chris
Just found it amd the name is Monea !
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Post by: Christopher on December 04, 2006, 07:29:15 AM
Chris
Just found it and the name is Monea !

Sorry for the delay Mageeka. I've been looking at several things including the Jaffe family. Did you use www.seanruad.com ? I think there are a couple of places in Fermanagh called Monea although Sean's
IreAtlas only shows one. There is a ruined Castle called  Monea Castle  (http://www.cassidyclan.org/fermanagh.htm) too.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MAgeeka on December 05, 2006, 01:36:55 AM
Thanks Chris
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Post by: Mackers on December 07, 2006, 11:40:14 AM
Hi Mary
I don't know if it would qualify for what you are looking but I have my G Fathers discharge papers from the Royal Irish Fusiliers, Feb. 1916.
For him it was a case of wanting to go to war, tried to go, but they found out he was underage and sent him packing.
If it is of any use for your project just say the word.

I also have photo of him in WW2 RAF plus release forms.

Regards
Mackers
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on December 07, 2006, 11:45:29 AM
Mackers, Hello  :) RAF? did he eventually make in into the war?
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Post by: Mackers on December 07, 2006, 11:56:32 AM
Hi again Mary
He was stationed at Boscombe Downs for the duraration of the war as ground crew,so he never did get to fight abroad.

Mackers
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on December 07, 2006, 12:00:02 PM
Ground crews were very important during the war, as long as he's from here, Ireland, North or South, I don't see why he shouldn't go in the database  :)
Send me the details, whatever you have and pictures, your email and I'll get it done tonight. Thank you  :)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bern on December 10, 2006, 12:42:05 AM
mary, my g.granny was married to my g.granda in 1899
it says on  details of their marraige she was
 a war widow her first husband died in 1895
Iwould like to know what army he was with
how would I find out  .any idea 
I have his name and the street he lived in when he died
       
                          bernie

 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on December 10, 2006, 12:51:44 AM
that would have been the (here's where I didn't pay attention in History) .Boar War?? you might be as well to join the Great War Forum, guys there are very helpful.
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MAgeeka on December 10, 2006, 05:42:06 PM
I believe you are right Mary and it would be the Boer- War
more than likely he was in one of the Inniskilling regiments which were predominant in the Boer war
Some of them I believe were based in, or near, Lisburn prior to this war
Bern have you checked the casualty lists in CWGC

http://www.cwgc.org/
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on December 10, 2006, 06:04:53 PM

I have his name and the street he lived in when he died
       
                          bernie

Well post them here bernie so we can have a wee shufty round the net, there are a few places can be checked, CWGC as Mageeka said and the National Archives may have something, although its usually for WW1 and 2 medal cards, you just never know your luck.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MaryLennon on December 10, 2006, 06:05:41 PM
What does Boer mean, was it a place?
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Post by: MAgeeka on December 10, 2006, 06:37:54 PM
No Mary they were the Dutch /farmer setllers of South Africa  Excellent horsemen and sharp-shooter, from horseback   They spoke Afrikans which sounds very similar to the Belgian Femish language .
 I had a friend, named De Boore. in the S.African police and he spoke the language fluently  I think the word Boer means either Settler, Farmer or Dutch
  However don't quote me  on this.
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Post by: MaryLennon on December 10, 2006, 06:51:32 PM
Thanx Mageeka  :)
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Post by: bern on December 10, 2006, 07:07:52 PM
MARY  heres the name of my gr.grans first husband
JAMES MARTIN 30 SPRINGVIEW STREET BELFAST
DIED 10TH JUNE 1895 AGED 31
I found this out when doing a grave search
for my  gr.aunt he is buried in milltown cemetry
falls road

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Post by: MaryLennon on December 10, 2006, 07:42:03 PM
ok rule out CWGC, only goes back to early 1914 ish
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Post by: MaryLennon on December 10, 2006, 08:46:12 PM
I'm lost sorry, nothing in National Archives, could be Boer War but records are scarce, there are a few museums but hard to believe they's have anything helpful to you.
here's all I have in the Street Directories, sorry

Mary

1880
a number of small houses  >:(

1907/10
Springview Street
30. Martin, Miss

1918/19/23/25/30/31/40/41/42/43/45/48/49/51/54
30. Martin, Nellie

1959
30. Murphy, Miss M.

http://www.sfowler.force9.co.uk/page_20.htm

http://www.sparknotes.com/history/european/1871-1914/section6.rhtml
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Post by: MAgeeka on December 10, 2006, 08:55:14 PM
Bern
You may want to ask Arkie   He has  lived in that area.
for a long time.
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Post by: eddiec on December 10, 2006, 09:00:11 PM
You may be interested in this link in regards the Boer War

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/kevinasplin/home.html
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Post by: acheux_rifleman on December 16, 2006, 02:18:08 AM
Hi Bern. Is this the individual that you are reseaching? If so, this is too early for the Boer War (1899-1902).

Possibly Rhodesia, or Sudan. More likely India - Both Royal Irish Regiment and Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers were active in that campaign at the time he died. Saying that, in Victorian times, two-thirds of the 'British' Army came from Ireland. Will have a look tomorrow.

If he is buried locally, chances are he may not have died during a campaign as bodies of those who fell, weren't usually repatriated. Possible he may have served earlier and then returned home. Maybe 'war veteran' indicates the fact that he was unable to work due to either disease or injury incurred whilst on duty. Possibly a veteran of the NW Frontier, Sudan, Abyssinia, Egypt or even Indian Mutiny - depending on age at time of death??

Will have a look through my archive and will be in touch.

Lest We Forget.

Phil.
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Post by: MAgeeka on December 16, 2006, 07:35:09 PM
Riflman
Can you if you have time Look foer a relative of mine, in the Inniskilling Fusiliers who fought in the Boer war
 His Name was either Samuel, or William Mc Menamy ?
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Post by: Christopher on December 27, 2006, 08:07:20 PM
 The War Memorials in Ulster website (http://www.ulsterwarmemorials.net) contains information on more than sixty Public War Memorials in Ulster. Each Public War Memorial page contains a photograph and description of the memorial, and where possible, its location and background information on its unveiling and dedication. Many pages also include the ‘Names of the Fallen.’ The memorials are dedicated to commemorating the thousands of men and women from, or who had connections with, Ulster who paid the supreme sacrifice during the Great War and Second World War and the tens of thousands of others who served in the armed services of numerous Allied countries.
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Post by: aussietrekker on January 07, 2007, 07:40:59 AM
My grandad Henry Houston was in the Royal Irish Rifles in France. There's a story that his eye came out, and he could see it hanging by a string on his cheek. The surgeon put it back again. :o

My mum, Annie McGurgan was in the Red Cross in WW2 in Belfast. She was a dance hostess, and was taken in the lorries to the US army camp, where they were entertained by bands such as Glenn Miller.

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Post by: Keith Campbell on January 07, 2007, 09:09:40 AM
My grandad Henry Houston was in the Royal Irish Rifles in France. There's a story that his eye came out, and he could see it hanging by a string on his cheek. The surgeon put it back again. :o

My mum, Annie McGurgan was in the Red Cross in WW2 in Belfast. She was a dance hostess, and was taken in the lorries to the US army camp, where they were entertained by bands such as Glenn Miller.


Glen Miller stopped here on his way to England, his airplane landed at Langford Lodge outside Crumlin. He went into the church on the airfield and played the church organ. The Church and organ are still there.
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Post by: aussietrekker on January 08, 2007, 04:13:09 AM
Wow! I hope they preserve the organ for posterity.
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Post by: Christopher on January 08, 2007, 10:53:37 PM
Langford Lodge Station 587 is mentioned in "Glenn Miller in Britain Then and Now" by Chris Way who has listed and chronicled every concert and broadcast that the band undertook from June 1944, when they arrived in the UK, to that tragic day six months later when Glenn went missing on a flight to France
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Post by: aussietrekker on January 08, 2007, 11:13:04 PM
Yes, I have heard the name Langford Lodge mentioned during Mum's many war tales. She loved to talk about the war. I have an old photo of her taken by an air-raid shelter. My Dad's sister married a GI and went home with him, and lived happily ever after with 7 children. Other GI/Belfast marriages weren't so fortunate. I remember a story about a girl who married, and upon her arrival in the US was greeted
by her new husband who was bearing loads of flowers. She said "Are these for me?" and he replied "No, this is my job. I sell flowers at the docks." :-[
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Post by: Christopher on January 20, 2007, 08:46:21 PM
 The Coleraine Battery 6 Light Anti Aircraft Battery RA (SR) 1939 - 1945  (http://coleraine-battery.tripod.com/index.htm)
The Coleraine Battery was a Light Anti Aircraft Unit of 200 volunteers raised to meet the threat of the German Blitzkrieg Attacks during WWII.  In 1946, one year after the defeat of the Axis powers in Europe, the Battery was disbanded. The articles in the website discuss the exploits of the volunteers as they fought their way through Scotland, Egypt, Libya, The Western Desert, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany and Italy. This history is also illustrated with photographs taken during the war by the veterans.
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Post by: Christopher on January 22, 2007, 09:57:39 PM
 The Second World War  (http://www.secondworldwarni.org/default.aspx?id=1) Online Learning Resource for Northern Ireland lets you explore how the Second World War affected people in Northern Ireland. It provides access to objects, documents, images, audio and film that bring their experiences to life and testify to their courage.
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Post by: Christopher on January 30, 2007, 04:05:24 PM
 Flying Officer John Francis Fitzgerald Gregg,  (http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Overseas/SingaporeCivilService.html) 116815, Royal Air Force was born in 1903. He was the son of the Most Revd. John Allen Fitzgerald Gregg, D.D., Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of all Ireland, and Anna Alicia Gregg, of The Palace, Armagh. John was a scholar of Christ's College, Cambridge, where he graduated with a Bachelors Degree in Arts.  He died on  29th November, 1943.  (http://www.roll-of-honour.org.uk/Hell_Ships/Suez_Maru)
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Post by: Bull-ant on February 04, 2007, 11:29:19 AM
acheux_rifleman
I wonder if you could take a look at these for me.
The first one Is my granfather James Davis on the right and his mate Pat (aka Jock) who unfortunately was killed a week after this photo was taken.  My mother (86) thought it was taken in Africa. The back of the photo says 1914-1918. I am not familiar with the African campaigns during this time. I don't even know if they were British or Irish army. Can you pick the uniforms ???
The second photo is my uncle Joe Davis at the grave of his brother Sammy. This was second world war but once again I don't know whether the uniform is British or Irish.  It looks like the cap badge could belong to an artillery regiment if that is a field piece in the centre of the badge. There were two other brothers in the army Geordie and Jimmy, they all came home safe. :) Only other thing I know is they all grew up at Blackwater street off the Grosvenor Road, Belfast. Any information would be greatly appreciated.  I've just started trying to put together a family tree and so far I've been shaking the wrong branches ;D
Merv 
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Post by: eddiec on February 04, 2007, 06:08:04 PM
Rifleman has left the forum... Check here (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1829.110.html)
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Post by: giannineo on February 04, 2007, 06:14:18 PM
Aye Acheux has gone,another big loss :'(
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Post by: Christopher on February 09, 2007, 11:25:24 AM
The US Navy Task Force was captured in an Oil on canvas painting by the artist David Pentland entitled  "Task Force 129".  (http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/36b.htm) The painting shows the United States Navy Battleship Nevada (BB-36), (foreground) and cruisers, HMS Glasgow (centre) and Quincy (CA-71) assembling in Belfast Lough, Northern Ireland, 14 May 1944 in preparation for D-Day.

The previous year the New York Class Battleship USS Texas (BB-35), which was built in 1911, had made final preparations in Belfast Lough prior to her role as Bombardment Force Flagship at Omaha Beach with the Western Taskforce. These preparations included the removal of the airplane catapult. Additional radio equipment was added as well as a device for detecting and jamming radio guided missiles. Her final exercises were carried out to the south in Dundrum Bay. Source: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - USS Texas (BB-35).
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Post by: Christopher on February 09, 2007, 12:22:30 PM
 Lance Corporal Francis Edward Ledwidge  (http://www.francisledwidge.com/html/ledwidge3.htm) Buried in plot 2, Row B, Grave 5. Artillery Wood Military Cemetery.
On July 31st the 1st Battalion of the Royal Inniskillen Fusiliers of which Frank was a member were repairing the road to Pilkem near the village of Boezinghe northwest of Ieper (Ypres). In the afternoon of that day a shell exploded beside them, killing one officer and five enlisted men, among them Ledwidge.

Belfastman Robert Christie, 5th Inniskillings, was a close friend of Co. Meath poet Francis Edward Ledwidge. Robert was injured at Suvla Bay, Gallipoli, and rescued by his friend Francis. It was the last time they saw
each other in uniform. Robert spent fourteen months in hospital and when discharged from the army sent
back to Belfast on crutches. He never regained the use of his left ankle.
Source: Irish Voices from the Great War. Myles Dungan. Published: Irish Academic Press.
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Post by: Christopher on February 09, 2007, 03:17:29 PM
24th August 1945.
 General Eisenhower  (http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/General_Eisenhower_inspecting_troops_near_City_Hall_24_August_1945) received the Freedom of the City of Belfast and inspected troops near Belfast City Hall.
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Post by: MAgeeka on February 11, 2007, 06:39:37 PM
Hi Bull Ant
The bottom photo sure does look like the Royal Artillery
Cap badge.  Other than i that it is hard to tell for me.
The tpp photo is indeed 1st world war
Hope R.Man comes back !!!
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Post by: Bull-ant on February 12, 2007, 01:07:53 AM
Hi MAgeeka,
Thanks for that, I thought no one was ever going to comment.  If onlt R would pop in. Another photo I found is attached. My uncle George Davis at The Rock in 1943. Once again I'm stumped as to what regiment and the US style cap doesn't help me.  ??? ???
Merv
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Post by: Christopher on February 12, 2007, 05:57:07 AM
 The British Red Cross Museum and Archives  (http://www.redcross.org.uk/standard.asp?id=3423&cachefixer=) hold personnel indexes from both World Wars. In 1909 the War Office issued the Scheme for the Organisation of Voluntary Aid. Under this scheme, the British Red Cross Society was given the role of providing supplementary aid to the Territorial Forces Medical Service in the event of war. In order to provide trained personnel for this task, county branches of the British Red Cross Society organised units called Voluntary Aid Detachments (VADs).
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Post by: MAgeeka on February 12, 2007, 06:08:57 AM
Merv
The British army did wear those sidecaps as part of their uniform in WW2
The shorts and shirt llooks like British military tropical issue wear.  He could even be commonwealth or even airforce.  Very hard to tell and a era before my time.
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Post by: Bull-ant on February 12, 2007, 06:13:27 AM
The British Red Cross Museum and Archives  (http://www.redcross.org.uk/standard.asp?id=3423&cachefixer=) hold personnel indexes from both World Wars. In 1909 the War Office issued the Scheme for the Organisation of Voluntary Aid. Under this scheme, the British Red Cross Society was given the role of providing supplementary aid to the Territorial Forces Medical Service in the event of war. In order to provide trained personnel for this task, county branches of the British Red Cross Society organised units called Voluntary Aid Detachments (VADs).

Thanks for the link chris  :)
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Post by: Bull-ant on February 12, 2007, 06:15:47 AM
Thanks M, this genealogy thing is certainly not a short time project. ::) After all my searching I have not had a single success ::) 
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Post by: Christopher on February 12, 2007, 06:20:42 AM
Thanks M, this genealogy thing is certainly not a short time project. ::) After all my searching I have not had a single success ::) 

It can be like that for some time, Merv ... then you may find a lot of information pours in and the little bits and pieces you have accumulated start to fit into place. There's still a vast amount of data being catalogued and indexed on a great many subjects which will be online at some unspecified date in the future.
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Post by: Bull-ant on February 12, 2007, 06:29:00 AM
chris,
it seems strange to me that I can search for known facts like the my fathers DoB, birthplace, DoD, military service and I still get nothing. ??? Maybe he was in the secret service and they want to keep it secret ;D   
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Post by: MAgeeka on February 12, 2007, 06:33:47 AM
Merv
I have had good success by telephoning regimental H.Q in order to get records.  They are usually very good with helping point you in the right direction
Do you have your Dads army number ?
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Post by: Bull-ant on February 12, 2007, 06:43:28 AM
M,
No he was royal navy but I don't have his papers.  I'm fairly sure he was on the Orion as a gunner which was a Leander class destroyer. He also survived the Empress of Britain sinking and I know a bit about which theaters he served in. The north Atlantic "Tin fish run" the Mediterranean, Dunkirk and the liberation of Norway. :)
He never talked about it :-X
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Post by: Christopher on February 12, 2007, 07:07:30 AM
chris,
it seems strange to me that I can search for known facts like the my fathers DoB, birthplace, DoD, military service and I still get nothing. ??? Maybe he was in the secret service and they want to keep it secret ;D   

I'm sending a PM Merv. I was going to post on the board but at the moment I feel you should look first. I doubt your Dad was in the Secret Service ... there is an explanation for most things particularly when it comes to searching for relations.
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Post by: aussietrekker on February 13, 2007, 12:51:19 PM
My uncle Billy Houston.
He was a paratrooper but I know nothing else.
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Post by: Christopher on February 13, 2007, 02:03:43 PM
The British, the Germans and the IRA all had Plans regarding Ireland during World War II

 Plan Kathleen  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Kathleen) sometimes referred to as Artus Plan, was a plan for the invasion of Northern Ireland sanctioned by Stephen Hayes Acting Irish Republican Army (IRA) Chief of Staff in 1940. Plan Kathleen is frequently confused with Operation Green - the German military plan to invade Ireland drawn up in 1940.

 Operation Green  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Green_%28Ireland%29)  (Unternehmen Grün in German) often also referred to as Fall Grün (Case Green) or Plan Green ("Plan Grün"), was a fullscale operations plan for the invasion of the island of Ireland in support of Operation Sealion (Unternehmen Seelöwe in German).[1] Despite its detailed nature, Green is thought to have been designed only as a credible threat, a feint, not an actual operation. Its British Army counterpart was Plan W ... the planned reoccupation of all of Ireland by British forces

 Plan W  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_W)  (sometimes referred to as "the W Plan"), was a joint Irish & British plan of military operations drawn up in the period mid 1940 - 1942. Plan W was an attempt to fight off an invasion of Ireland by German forces.

Source: Wikipedia. The Free Encyclopedia
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Post by: aussietrekker on February 13, 2007, 02:14:06 PM
All very scary when you consider the alternative outcome.
There was a great Star Trek episode where the Germans had won, had taken over the White House and were rapidly spreading west. They had Alien Nazis and all! 8)
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Post by: MAgeeka on February 17, 2007, 09:14:11 PM
Great site Chris
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Post by: doe on February 25, 2007, 06:08:41 PM
Hi Mary,  Could you tell me please,  In what branch of N.I armed forces would some, have worn a kilt and played the bagpipes. era, early 1900's? thanks a lot. SJL
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Post by: Christopher on February 25, 2007, 06:29:36 PM
Hello Dorothy,

Here's a link to  Irish Pipers in the British Army.  (http://www.royalirishrangers.co.uk/uniform.html)

Chris.
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Post by: MAgeeka on February 26, 2007, 12:20:10 AM
SJL
Almost all Scots regiments had pipes and some of the Irish   My Dad was a Piper in the Royal Irish rifles and Royal Dublin Fusiliers WW1
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Post by: doe on February 26, 2007, 02:50:30 AM
Thanks MAgeeka and Chris, I went on the site but saw only one kilt called the Saffron.It was interesting but I think I will need an historian for this.My picture being in black and white doesn't help matters.Dorothy
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Post by: MAgeeka on February 27, 2007, 04:09:14 AM
SJL
I know for sure that the Irish Guards pipers wore Saffron kilts and still do
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Post by: doe on February 27, 2007, 05:52:44 PM
When my sister sends me the picture, I will post it, maybe someone will have a better idea about it. doe
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Post by: Christopher on March 04, 2007, 12:36:42 AM
 Robert Forsythe Pepper (1891 - 1916)  (http://www.btinternet.com/~prosearch/tomspage12.html) died during WWI. His name is on the  Portrush War Memorial.  (http://www.ulsterwarmemorials.net/html/portrush.html)
A bit of a mystery surrounds two ladies who wrote to the War Office enquiring about Robert.
They were Miss J. Russell of 123 Lee Road, Blackheath, London SE and Miss V. Greer of Glenholme Cottage, Helen's Bay, Co Down. Robert was the son of Robert (a bootmaker) and Isabella Jane Pepper (nee Lusk) of New Row, Coleraine, Co. Londonderry. 
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Post by: doe on March 06, 2007, 01:03:38 PM
Hi Christopher,
This looks like an interesting site. I don't  know much about  "William"  yet,(another genealogy project)He was a favourite nephew of my grandmother Sarah Jane Leckey from Lisburn. My sister is "supposed" to be sending me a picture of him in his kilt and I know someone will recognise the unit he was in. doe       
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Post by: MAgeeka on March 06, 2007, 05:25:04 PM
Hi SJL
When I hear a name I always make a post if I know of anyone by that name.  One just never knows
We had a Sammy Leckey lived in Albert St Belfast
I believe he worked in Andrews flor mill in the 50s
M
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Post by: doe on March 07, 2007, 12:26:59 PM
Hi Mageeka,   Thanks for picking up the LECKEY name. It is good to mention it when I can as I am having such a hard time finding my grandmother's family. I will keep the "Samuel" handy.  Three years ago I paid a lot for a search by proni but they just sent a name  that wasn't from where Sarah Jane was born,and all the names in my N.I. tree are all so common,except for Boomer her Husband. Most people were born at home here (Canada) in the late 1800's, was it the same in N.I.?   SJL
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Post by: Wendl on March 07, 2007, 07:17:30 PM
Hi SJL,

Yes was the norm to be born at "home" in the 1800's....my partner was born in 1960, and he was born at "home" in Belfast....
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Post by: Christopher on March 13, 2007, 04:33:10 PM
 Langford Lodge  (http://www.controltowers.co.uk/L/Langford_Lodge.htm) is an ex WWII airfield located three miles west of Crumlin, Co. Antrim. The Heritage Centre of the Ulster Aviation Society is now based there.
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Post by: SPL on May 12, 2007, 05:23:07 PM
I know my grandfather served as a Gunner in the RAF from 1941 - 1944 in the Middle East.

Can anyone tell me what these mean ?

20/02/1945 Placed in G 3 Reserve ?

Recalled 01/10/1945 but then released Class A 05/08/1946 ?

Also if he was a Gunner why does it also say Ex Leading Aircraftman on the info letter from MOD @ Innsworth ? Did he have 2 roles to play ?  ???

Best thing is he told us that he was simply a chef feeding the troops and never saw any action  ;D What a character  ;)
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Post by: acheux_rifleman on May 12, 2007, 05:58:50 PM
Hi there SPL.

Sounds as though your Grandfather was a bit a modest man??

The rank of Gunner is solely used by the Royal Air Force Regiment. If that was his initial rank, this is the unit he belonged to, although I couldn't identify which particular Squadron. The rank of Leading Aircraftsman would have been the next rank up - equivilent to a Lance Corporal in the Army.

The RAF Regiment did have chefs, drivers, signallers etc attached to them, but the men who served, particularly in North Africa, did see alot of service. Their role was to protect the various airfields and these were usually mobile throughout the campaign - the aircraft landed on pressed sheet metal runways that could be transported as the lines of battle moved. I knew a few wartime ex-Gunners and they were in the thick of it!! He would have been present during El Alamein and the surrounding battles against Rommel and the Afrika Corps.

He was probably recalled for the conflict in Palestine from 1945-48.

The links below may be of interest??

http://www.rafregt.com/rafregthist.htm

http://www.rafweb.org/Regiment.htm

http://www.rafweb.org/Regiment2.htm

I will endeavour to find out what G 3 reserve was - I think this would have been an Auxiliary Squadron, but will check. Class A discharge means that he was physically fit when he left the R.A.F.

Hope this helps?

Acheux.

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Post by: SPL on May 13, 2007, 02:47:29 PM
Thanks for your help.

Perhaps this might help. His service number was 1306369. Rank LAC - which I assume stands for Leading Aircraftsman and then Group - Gunner, Trade Classification (looks like) 5.

The Reserve is actually written as G III Reserve ?

From his airman's pay book, he got a daily rate of 4 shillings & six pence wef 8/11/45 prior to this he recd 5 shillings.
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Post by: Christopher on August 01, 2007, 10:09:14 AM
The  D Day Ancestors  (http://www.ddayancestors.com) website of Paul Reed, a military historian, author and broadcaster, lists every serviceman who died on 6th June 1944. 
 
 
 
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Post by: abbey on September 05, 2007, 06:52:43 AM
Hi,
Just wondering if someone could advise me how I would look up a person's pension records for British Army 1914-1920?

thanks

Abbey
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Post by: abbey on September 06, 2007, 11:37:03 PM
Hi,
Just wondering if someone could advise me how I would look up a person's pension records for British Army 1914-1920?

thanks

Abbey

Found it - couldn't see the other reference sites for looking ::)
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Post by: deirdred on October 03, 2007, 02:41:26 PM
hi my uncle Albert OConnor from Nelson street was in the Queens guards i know he fought in kenya  i have pics of him in the jungle he used to go on hunts with mount batton  i know he died in england  i dont know what rank he was
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Post by: deirdred on October 03, 2007, 02:47:11 PM
my great uncle frank houston from artillery street was on the hms hood  i believe he was 21 when he died  does anyone know anything about him  i believe he died on the ship
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Post by: BigAgiesMan on October 03, 2007, 02:54:46 PM
my great uncle frank houston from artillery street was on the hms hood  i believe he was 21 when he died  does anyone know anything about him  i believe he died on the ship

Well he's not on this list, but they do say it's not a complete list.  I would have thought though they would have known who was on the ship when she went down

http://www.hmshood.org.uk/crew/database/crewDatabaseSurnameInd.php?Surnom=H
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Post by: Belfast Dave on October 05, 2007, 02:03:01 AM
My grandfather, who was living in Belfast, joined the Cheshire Regiment in WWI. Why? I don't understand why he would have joined this regiment instead of a local one. Or, could it be that they were sent to any regiment who needed them?

Dave
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Post by: Christopher on October 05, 2007, 02:06:01 AM
Dave,

Did your family have any connections with Cheshire?

Christopher
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Post by: deirdred on October 05, 2007, 04:33:47 AM
CHRISTOPHER I CHECKED THE HMS HOOD AND THERE IS NO SIGN OF FRANK HOUSTON IS THERE A WAY OF FINDING OUT  WHAT SHIP HE WAS ON I HAVE A PIC OF HIM AND ON HIS CAP IT SAYS HMS  -HER MAJESTYS SERVICE IS THAT RIGHT ?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Belfast Dave on October 05, 2007, 06:38:08 AM
Dave,

Did your family have any connections with Cheshire?

Christopher

Nope! My grandfather was born in Co Monaghan, and his wife came from Belfast.
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Post by: Christopher on October 18, 2007, 05:07:47 PM
 Click here  (https://www.military-genealogy.com) to look at MilitaryGenealogy.com It's a subscription site but has good information.
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Post by: Migky on December 23, 2007, 12:16:00 PM
Hi folks, for a better way of trying to serch for people who died in WW1 & 2 . Try useing theis site It will take you to the CWGC site in the end but is far easy to search for loved ones on it. You can just put in there two and will list all men who died from there.

          http://www.hut-six.co.uk/cgi-bin/search2.php


Have fun and merry christmas
Migky ;)
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Post by: deirdred on December 23, 2007, 10:57:58 PM
hey i found what ship my uncle was on it was the voltaire i found his name on a military liist i first thought he was on the hood of course he died on the ship  :-\
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Post by: Mageeka on December 24, 2007, 03:22:09 AM
Frank Houston Son of Frank and Jane Houston.  Husband of Mary Catherine Houston
Found it on CWGC,   
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Post by: Migky on December 30, 2007, 09:03:47 AM
Hi folks, for a better way of trying to serch for people who died in WW1 & 2 . Try useing theis site It will take you to the CWGC site in the end but is far easy to search for loved ones on it. You can just put in there two and will list all men who died from there.

          http://www.hut-six.co.uk/cgi-bin/search2.php


Have fun and merry christmas
Migky ;)

" You can just put in there two and will list all men who died from there.
"  This should read the     TOWN* sorry about that
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Post by: Tommy Gibb on January 12, 2008, 05:19:00 PM
Hello Mary.
My grandfather Thomas Gibb was at Dunkirk, in either the Inniskillings or Irish Fusiliers: Although he had left the army he was called up because was considered a reservist. I have a copy of his papers somewhere and if I find them I will post them.
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Post by: ochil10 on January 17, 2008, 02:43:18 PM
looked thro site today great site well done O0 O0
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Post by: missy on January 29, 2008, 01:32:33 PM
 My grandfather Alexander Sutters was married in 1861 to Sarah Best in Ballymena his occupation was
 listed as soldier retired. Cannot think were he would have been a soldier have no idea how to find out
 about him. Sorry he was not in any war as far as I know,  you have so much on your head please excuse
 for adding more.

 Thanking you for taking the time to read this.     Missy.
   
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Post by: missy on February 02, 2008, 11:43:52 PM
  Mary I seem to remember Mrs. M' Stravick's  son from Lady St. was in the navy and he was killed on the Hood. Sorry can not remember his Christian name. Afraid most of the people are dead. If I get any other information I will let you know.
                                                             Missy.
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Post by: Hendy on March 21, 2008, 06:48:38 PM
McGIMPSEY, JAMES  Private 351053 23/04/1917  Age 21 Royal Scots United Kingdom Bay 1 and 2. ARRAS MEMORIAL

Hi Kathleen, I go over every year to visit the cemeteries, this year we are off to Belgium. Next year I will pay your hero Grandfather a wee visit. Was he Irish or Scots?

Faugh a Ballagh
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Post by: Kathleen2 on March 21, 2008, 06:57:28 PM
Oh Hendy that particular James McGimpsey you mentined is not my grandfather.

My grandftaher was a Royal Scot. Details about him can be found here at this site  http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww1_soldiers_database.htm

If you scroll down a bit you will see a photo of him and all of his war details. His body was never recovered but his name is inscribed on the war memorial wall at Arras in France.
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Post by: Hendy on March 21, 2008, 07:00:43 PM
Apologies Kathleen, I realised my mistake and modified my post.
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Post by: Kathleen2 on March 21, 2008, 07:03:35 PM
Oh thank goodness. I thought I was seeing things as I went back to check your post and before I was sure you had written that he was a rifleman. I thought I had lost my mind ;D
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Post by: Hendy on March 21, 2008, 07:18:05 PM
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/hendy1016/James_McGimpsey.jpg)
Fine looking soldier Kathleen
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Post by: Kathleen2 on March 21, 2008, 07:27:07 PM
Wasn't he though ! A gorgeous young man, and his son ( my father ) was the spitting image of him. I have all of his war medals and about twelve postcards he sent home from France, all with handwritten little messages on the back.  These are my treasures. Something that he touched and that I can touch also.

I've compiled as much information on him as I could find and everything is now in a scrapbook ready to be handed down to the next generation. I'm making sure that he will never be forgotten in our family and I just feel privileged to call myself his granddaughter. His only grandchild.
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Post by: Hendy on March 21, 2008, 07:48:49 PM
Wasn't he though ! A gorgeous young man, and his son ( my father ) was the spitting image of him. I have all of his war medals and about twelve postcards he sent home from France, all with handwritten little messages on the back.  These are my treasures. Something that he touched and that I can touch also.

I've compiled as much information on him as I could find and everything is now in a scrapbook ready to be handed down to the next generation. I'm making sure that he will never be forgotten in our family and I just feel privileged to call myself his granddaughter. His only grandchild.
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/hendy1016/James_McGimpsey-1.jpg)
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Post by: Kathleen2 on March 21, 2008, 08:08:35 PM
Hendy that's beautiful ! These would have been the colours of his uniform ?
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Post by: Hendy on March 21, 2008, 08:09:17 PM
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/hendy1016/James_McGimpsey-2.jpg)
Apologies Royal Scots Tartan isn't red
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Post by: Hendy on March 21, 2008, 08:11:43 PM
Hi Kathleen, having realised my mistake I have now pasted RS Tartan on his kilt, hope you like it.
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Post by: Kathleen2 on March 21, 2008, 08:12:15 PM
That's terrific ! I'll save this O0
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Post by: moorsy on March 21, 2008, 09:59:21 PM
Great job Hendy. A braw wee man.
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Post by: giannineo on March 21, 2008, 10:16:03 PM
Kathleen, there is a Royal Scots website with online shop at http://www.royalscots.co.uk    ... click on the regimental headquarters on the site.
    Have you ever been to Edinburgh Castle, the museum in the castle is excellent.
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Post by: Kathleen2 on March 21, 2008, 10:27:29 PM
Thanks for the link G. I have bookmarked it.

No I've never been to Edinburgh Castle but would love to go someday. My ancestors were Scots. They came to Northern Ireland in the 1600's. I think that's why my grandfather wanted to join the Royal Scots in the first world war. He was injured and sent home to recuperate but returned later, which is why he has two service numbers.
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Post by: giannineo on March 21, 2008, 10:32:40 PM
Kathleen, Edinburgh is a unique City and bulging with history...well worth a visit...the architecture in the New Town is great,  and the wee alleys off the Royal Mile are spooky when there is a mist...the castle is a must  O0
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Post by: Kathleen2 on March 21, 2008, 10:35:32 PM
It's one of the places I want to visit for sure G. There and Arras in France where he fell.

BTW, I love mist and fog. Spooky but romantic as well :)
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Post by: Christopher on April 01, 2008, 11:01:54 PM
my great uncle frank houston from artillery street was on the hms hood  i believe he was 21 when he died  does anyone know anything about him  i believe he died on the ship

Hello deirdred,

I had a look at the list on "A Journey of Remembering" site where I found Robert Francis Houston of the Royal Army Service Corps. He was born in Londonderry and was living in Belfast when he enlisted. www.journeyofremembering.org/search.html

Christopher
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Post by: Christopher on April 01, 2008, 11:09:58 PM
Hi Mary, I just sent you some details and a photo of my grandfather, James McGimpsey, who was killed in action in France in WW1 at the age of 21. I hope you got it. Brilliant site by the way !

Hello Kathleen,

Was your grandfather born or resident in Belfast? If so contact the people on
"A Journey of Remembering" site as it looks as though his name is not on the list. www.journeyofremembering.org

Christopher
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Post by: Kathleen2 on April 01, 2008, 11:27:10 PM
Hi Christopher. My grandfather was born in Ballycullen, which is somewhere close to Newtownards, and then he moved with his mother and sisters to Greyabbey, so I guess he doesn't qualify for this. I'll have a look at the site anyway. Thanks for the link.
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Post by: Migky on May 07, 2008, 11:48:25 AM
Hi, does any know if Belfast had/has an absent voters list for 1914/5/6/7/8/9 any part of the first world war and is it online?
Migky ;)
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Post by: cara on June 05, 2008, 03:24:34 PM
Hi Mary, just found this great site of yours today. Im new at athis. My grandfather was Alexander McCloskey ofConnaught Rangers regiment.  He died in France in 1918.  Last year I finally found where he is buried. He was a stretcher bearer born in Belfast Northern Ireland. I was so delighted and emotional to find him after all these years.  thank you for this site
Cara :)
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Post by: Mageeka on June 21, 2008, 04:16:46 PM
Casualty Details
Name: McCLOSKEY, ALEXANDER
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Connaught Rangers
Unit Text: 6th Bn.
Date of Death: 21/03/1918
Service No: 18173
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 77.
Memorial: POZIERES MEMORIAL
     
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Post by: cara on July 17, 2008, 01:12:26 PM
HI Mageeka,
Thanx very much for looking up that for me.   This a great site.  My mother (RIP) was born 3 months after he was killed so she never knew anything about him.
I am so happy to have his records and so are a few others in the family.
Regards  Cara
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Post by: rinty on July 18, 2008, 05:39:35 PM
MY UNCLE ROBERT WAS BORN IN BAKER ST ON THE FALLS RD BELFAST HE SERVED AS  LANCE COPARAL ROBERT MONAGHAN SERVICE NO 7014323 ROYAL INNISKILLING FUSILIERS HE WAS  KILLED IN ACTION ON THE 21/4/1945 AGED 25 AND IS BURIED IN ARGENTA GAP WAR CEMETARY ITALY  I HAVE SEARCHED  FOR ANY RECORDS OF HIS SERVICE OR DEATH AND CANNOT FIND ANY MENTION OF HIM INCLUDING THE ROYAL INNISKILLING FUSILIERS WEB SITE CAN ANYONE HELP
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Post by: Grannylil on July 22, 2008, 08:49:09 PM
Hi Rinty.
I think I have some information which you may wish to know. I have a copy of an "Irish News" obituary page which shows the death notice for Lance Corporal Robert Monaghan, R.I.F. killed on active service in Italy.  It is on the same page as my own father's obituary. I also recall an uncle of mine, "Binnie" Curran (RIP) telling me that he thought Robert was killed at Monte Casino, Italy. "Binnie" is named as a brother-in-law of Robert.  Hope this is of some use to you.   
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Post by: rinty on July 24, 2008, 08:51:26 PM
grannylil binnie was my uncle as well he was my mothers brother  my mother was jenny[curran] monaghan my uncle robert was married to binnies sister madge [rip] my mother and madge sisters married my father francie and robert who were brothers thanks for the info ps i think that makes us cousions  
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Post by: Grannylil on July 24, 2008, 09:12:00 PM
Rinty,
Sadly I'm only an adopted cousin.  Binnie's wife, Maggie (nee Malone) (RIP)had a younger sister, Mary who married my Mother's brother (Francie Brennan).  Aunt Mary & Uncle Francie(RIP) :) reared me when my Dad was killed in the war & my Mum took ill. Aunt Mary also looked after Binnie's children and we were all brought up together.  I knew Binnie & Maggie well.  Binnie was also in the Army during WW2  I had been researching my family tree and got a copy of my Dad's obituary.  He died 30/4/1945 from wounds received in action.  When he died in a Welsh hospital & my Mum brought his body home & he is interred in Milltown Cemetery.  It was coincidence that I noticed L-C Monaghan on the same newspaper page.  It is a small world!  Are you related to the famous "Rinty"? :)
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Post by: rinty on July 24, 2008, 11:12:19 PM
yes my grand father and rintys father would have been brothers so my father and rinty would have been cousins i dont know what that makes me  but there is a connection :)
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Post by: cathy bell on August 12, 2008, 03:22:53 AM
Hi Mary,
Could you point me in the right direction for info on The Royal Ulster Rifles, My uncle William Donaghy was in them for 20yrs he was a prisoner of war in Germany during WW2.
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Post by: Christopher on August 12, 2008, 03:43:11 AM
Hello Cathy,

A good starting point is the regimental museum ...

Royal Ulster Rifles Museum
(83rd 86th, R. Irish Rifles),
5 Waring Street,
Belfast,
BT1 2EW

http://tinyurl.com/6z92el
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Post by: cathy bell on August 13, 2008, 03:29:05 AM
Hi Christopher,
Thank you for the info, I will follow through. My uncle joined the Royal Ulster Rifles around 1926, he was a prisoner of war in Germany, he was listed as missing in action for a couple of years untill the Red Cross was able to get the names of the guys in the prisions. Needless to say when he came home and all the years that followed he never spoke of his ordeal, so I would like to find out a little more about this time in his life.
I know he always went to a Ulster Rifles Club some where in Belfast, have you ever heard of this club ?
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Post by: Rosser on August 13, 2008, 04:19:58 PM
Cathy the Royal Ulster Rifles club was in Lower north st in Belfast but moved to the shankill rd where it was taken over by undesirables, I believe the licence was refused and it is now closed which is a good thing ,the vast majority of good decent men who served and died would have turned in their graves to have their regt associated with these types.
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Post by: cathy bell on August 16, 2008, 03:21:02 AM
Hi Rosser,
Thanks for the info on the Royal Ulster Rifles Club, it is a shame about the club, I know my uncle enjoyed  going to the club in the 40s & 50s.
 Cathy
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Post by: Turkeyone on September 23, 2008, 01:58:24 PM
Are the KIA of WW1 recorded in the GRO records ?

Turkeyone
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Post by: jane k on November 09, 2008, 11:18:23 AM
Hi, I know you are mainly concerned with WW1 and WW2 but someone from the Birmingham (UK) History Forum has suggested you may be able to help me.  My grandfather was born somewhere in Ireland around 1882 while his father was serving in the 16th Queens Royal Lancers - apparantly the regiment was in several locations so I can`t pinpoint where he was born. I`ve tried to find him on several genealogical sites but without luck.  I don`t know if children born within a regiment would have been registered in the usual way.  Unfortunately I don`t even know exactly what date he was born.  Any suggestions you could give me would be most gratefully received.                  Jane
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Post by: Christopher on November 09, 2008, 08:23:05 PM
Hi, I know you are mainly concerned with WW1 and WW2 but someone from the Birmingham (UK) History Forum has suggested you may be able to help me.  My grandfather was born somewhere in Ireland around 1882 while his father was serving in the 16th Queens Royal Lancers - apparantly the regiment was in several locations so I can`t pinpoint where he was born. I`ve tried to find him on several genealogical sites but without luck.  I don`t know if children born within a regiment would have been registered in the usual way.  Unfortunately I don`t even know exactly what date he was born.  Any suggestions you could give me would be most gratefully received.                  Jane

Jane,

Have you tried the Regimental Association or the Regimental Museum to see if they can assist with some dates and areas in Ireland where the Regiment served in the nineteenth century? www.qrl.uk.com

A new book, a Royal Irish Academy publication "Our War: Ireland and the Great War" which is edited by John Horne, Professor of Modern European History at Trinity College, Dublin, was launched today to commemorate the 90th anniversary of the end of the First World War. www.tcd.ie/Communications/news/news.php?headerID=1033&vs_date=2008-11-1

The book accompanies the ten-part RTÉ Radio 1 Thomas Davis lecture series as well as a website http://www.rte.ie/1918 The first programme in the series featuring Professor John Horne will be broadcast at 10.00pm on Monday 10th November.
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Post by: jane k on November 10, 2008, 08:47:28 AM
Thanks Christopher - I have already contacted the regimental museum - the regiment went to Ireland in 1882 (the year in which my grandfather was born) but was split up and based in 4 different locations so that`s not much help.  I think I may have to admit defeat!               Jane
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Post by: Christopher on November 10, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
Thanks Christopher - I have already contacted the regimental museum - the regiment went to Ireland in 1882 (the year in which my grandfather was born) but was split up and based in 4 different locations so that`s not much help.  I think I may have to admit defeat!               Jane

Could the museum chappies not tell you the locations ???
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Post by: jane k on November 10, 2008, 01:14:25 PM
They say `one squadron went to Belfast, one troop to Belturbet, one troop to Dublin, three to Dundalk and one to Navan`. They can`t find my grandfather`s father on their database but say they don`t keep individual soldiers records - they suggest trying the National Archives for that - maybe that would give me a better idea of where the family was at the time of my grandfather`s birth.  I was hoping to get somewhere on the internet rather than actually visiting a record office.
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Post by: Christopher on November 10, 2008, 06:37:35 PM
Hello Jane,

What's your grandfather's surname? His birth should be on either a civil or a parish register. I'm registered on Emerald Ancestors and can check to see if that site has him listed in either Co. Antrim or Co. Cavan

Christopher

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Post by: jane k on November 10, 2008, 07:14:54 PM
Thanks very much. He was William Henry Lyles (or Liles) Hayden, his father was Joseph, and his mother Elizabeth (maiden name Daggett).
   
Jane
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Post by: squires on January 15, 2009, 12:36:30 AM
Hi

Here is some information on my G. Uncle John Williamson who died in WWI
http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=158976

and of my Grandmother's 1st husband William John Rankin. They only got married less than 3 months before he was killed.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=2914925
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Post by: markinbelfast on January 25, 2009, 07:43:43 PM
Hi

Here is some information on my G. Uncle John Williamson who died in WWI
http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=158976

and of my Grandmother's 1st husband William John Rankin. They only got married less than 3 months before he was killed.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=2914925

Rankin went to war 22-9-1915
Williamson enlisted in Hamilton Scotland
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Post by: Andi on February 02, 2009, 09:18:09 PM
Hi everybody

can anybody help me out with a record please.  I came across it in a 'roll of honour' book in Linenhall Library- James Glover, Lower Castlereagh, DRiver, RFA, MM(?) Killed in Action.  I have gone unto Commonwealth War Graves' Commission site but, although there are many Glovers, nothing seems to relate to this particular one.  My great-uncle James Glover was born c 1891 and his family lived in Lower Castlereagh area - Lecumpher St 1911 & later Athens St - and I'm trying to confirm if this is my relative.  Many thanks   :)
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Post by: akanex2 on February 03, 2009, 12:23:37 AM
Here is the only entry for James Glover MM from the National archives site - WWII so not your gt uncle.

Name  Glover, James Alfred
Rank:  Corporal
Service No:  45312
Regiment:  25 New Zealand Battalion
Theatre of Combat or Operation:  Middle East (Egypt and Libya)
Award:  Military Medal
Date of Announcement in London Gazette:  22 July 1943

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=powersearch&query=first_name%3djames%7clast_name%3dglover&catid=22&mediaarray=*&pagenumber=1&querytype=1

You can purchase the citation online at this site (£3.50) and check out what he did.  The Military Medal was awarded to non-officers between 1914 and 1993 for “an act or acts of exemplary gallantry during active operations against the enemy on land” and the citations make incredible reading.

I don't think the WWI gallantry citations are indexed on this site, but the WWI campaign medal list show 119 James Glovers saw active service, including the following which seems to be for the guy from the Roll of Honour:-

Medal card of Glover, James
Corps Regiment No Rank
Royal Field Artillery 89906 Driver
 Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/8 
Image Reference 36959 / 4287
Total Price £2.00

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=2506887&queryType=1&resultcount=57

Purchasing this file should show what countries he fought in and may also have details of wounds etc.  As most of the WWI service records were destroyed, this may be all the info available.

I also looked at the CWGC site and found 4 Driver J Glovers of Royal Field Artillery killed in action.  Unfortunately none has any Belfast connection or match the regimental/service number from the medal card! 

Sorry this doesn't seem to have helped clear up the mystery.
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Post by: Andi on February 03, 2009, 11:49:26 AM
akanex2

Many thanks for the prompt reply.  I'm in work just now but when I get time I will go over more thoroughly all the details you have given me.  It is a wee bit of a mystery.  I'm def not sure I lost great-uncle but i'm sure if my James Glover was born 1891 he was in the age bracket for going to war - unless, of course he didn't for whatever reason.  O0

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Post by: Andi on February 04, 2009, 10:46:00 AM
Hi akanex - I got to read over it properly and will probably follow up that link you gave me.  Unless there's something relating to family names, etc I probably won't be able to confirm he's the right one but I will give it a go - you never know.

While I'm on, my dad served out East during WWII.  I know he got four medals including Burma Star & Java Star.  He didn't keep them but my sister applied for replicas and got them.  However, he apparently got some kind of commendation/medal for something he did - is there any way I can follow that up at all?  It may be one of those yarns he was good at but i've a wee feeling it is actually true.  I do have a copy of his 'army book' & number.  Many thanks  :)
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Post by: jp08 on February 04, 2009, 11:28:17 AM
the WWI campaign medal list show 119 James Glovers saw active service, including the following which seems to be for the guy from the Roll of Honour:-

Medal card of Glover, James
Corps Regiment No Rank
Royal Field Artillery 89906 Driver
 Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/8 
Image Reference 36959 / 4287

That James Glover (RFA 89906) was born in Castle Donington in England.
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Post by: jp08 on February 04, 2009, 11:42:50 AM
While I'm on, my dad served out East during WWII.  I know he got four medals including Burma Star & Java Star.

These are the guys for you then;

 http://www.burmastar.org.uk/

Service Records;

 http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html
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Post by: beegee on February 05, 2009, 09:37:44 AM
andi             
          James Glover, Lower Castlereagh, DRiver, RFA, MM(?) Killed in Action

it may be that the above was a Merchant     Seaman------------attached to the   Royal Fleet Auxilary...  M M may mean that he was a master mariner and was was the skipper, Captain of his ship

I too have the Burma Star I<m not aware of a Java star-----------------was a merchant seaman
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Post by: Andi on February 05, 2009, 03:14:02 PM
Hya all again - thank you for the responses again.  I don't ever remember talk of a Master Mariner in the family - think that would have been something bragged about  :)  but it is another possibility.  Off the top of my head I gather the Java Star was awarded by Dutch (Dutch East Asia or something like that)  I know my sister had difficulty getting a replica but managed it in the end.  If I get a chance I will follow up what she told me  O0
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Post by: Dancer on February 10, 2009, 08:59:27 PM
For some years now my family have been trying to find details of my Uncle who was in the Royal Navy WWII he joined as a boy sailor the ship he was on was torpedoed in the Atlantic, he was rescued.  He served on other ships after. Although he was not killed during the war, he died in his 40's. My self and his son have been trying to find the names of the ships that served on.  We have had no Luck with Kew or Portsmouth, something to do with regulations etc.  We would like to find out this information.  If someone knows him or can help find the information we would be so grateful. My cousin is also trying to find his service number.  He was a young child when his dad died. This is very important for him to find the answers, he lives in England.  My Uncle was Ronald Wesley McGuire Brown known as Ronnie and he lived in 27 Rathmore Street, Belfast (now demolished)  We would appreciate your help.  Thank you, Dancer
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Post by: Andi on February 15, 2009, 01:45:51 PM
Hi Dancer
I don't know if I can help you with getting service records but I know I did get some - I think - from Ancestry Uk. However the records I wanted went back to last quarter of the 19th c so it may have something to do with that.  I had a wee quick look on various sites for Ronald Brown - there is a birth record on ancestryireland for that name 1913.  It will cost £4 to view it.  However there is also a record on Ancestry UK for a Wesley Ronald M Brown - I don't have membership to any of these or I would have looked them up further.  Perhaps someone on the forum can help you out here.  I know they won't give you information regarding his service records but you might get something that will lead unto something else.  Good luck  :)
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Post by: Dancer on February 15, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Thank you Andi I will try the Wesley Ronald M Brown as often names are reversed when being copied. :)
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Post by: Andi on February 15, 2009, 07:56:19 PM
Hello all

Can anybody help me regarding getting information about Welsh relative.  I believe he died Jerusalem 1917 and have seen casualty record on cwgc.  I have service number etc - is other information readily available?  Who do I contact regarding military records. many thanks  :)
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Post by: markinbelfast on February 19, 2009, 08:06:28 AM
Hello all

Can anybody help me regarding getting information about Welsh relative.  I believe he died Jerusalem 1917 and have seen casualty record on cwgc.  I have service number etc - is other information readily available?  Who do I contact regarding military records. many thanks  :)

pm me the details.
Mark
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Post by: Kathleen2 on March 14, 2009, 10:29:12 PM
Exciting news ! Apologies if this link has been posted before.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7940540.stm

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Post by: Sunnyhill on April 24, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
Hi

Would appreciate any information on Able seaman Frank Cassells died 1945 (age 19) in WW11.  His name is recorded on Lurgan War Memorial. [Especially parents if listed.]

Thanks

David
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Sunnyhill on May 13, 2009, 01:25:21 PM
I have now discovered from the Lennon Wylie web site that Able seaman Frank Cassells was son of William and Jane C. of Lurgan  and d. 10/04/1945.

His father William was b 1901 and parents Francis C. and  Eliz McCormick

Hi

Would appreciate any information on Able seaman Frank Cassells died 1945 (age 19) in WW11.  His name is recorded on Lurgan War Memorial. [Especially parents if listed.]

Thanks

David
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Kathleen2 on May 27, 2009, 07:12:28 PM
Interesting link about the unseen faces of WW1 soldiers. They are asking if anone can recognize a grandfather, great-grandfather etc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/exclusive-the-unseen-photographs-that-throw-new-light-on-the-first-world-war-1688443.html
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: blackcornish on May 28, 2009, 11:54:10 PM
Hi I am trying to find any info on my grandfather Edward Butler.  Born in Belfast (Falls Road area) in circa 1897.  Joined the Royal Ulster Rifles in 1914.  I think he was in the same regiment in WW2 too. He married in Lancaster in 1922 (no idea how he got there).  I believe he was stationed in Hollywood in late 1940's.

I would love to know how I can find out more about his war record but without a date of birth (unable to find birth certificate for him) or his army number I can find nothing.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: lelebells on June 02, 2009, 12:47:04 AM
hi mary i would like you to add my grandad here is all i have of him i have only been over at his grave once and that was 7 years ago i cant aford to go over but my family all chip in and i am going over at the end of july  here is his details   fusilier thomas kerr  Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers  Death:  Jun. 1, 1940   
Burial:
Oosttaverne Wood Cemetery
Heuvelland
West-Vlaanderen, Belgium
Plot: V. AA. 2.                       came from shankill road belfast   Son of Hugh and Ellen Kerr; of Belfast, Northern Ireland; husband of Margaret Kerr, of Belfast.  death between 01/06/1940 and 04/06/1940
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Boo on June 05, 2009, 05:41:02 PM
Any one help me find information on my grandfather rifleman Samuel Clarke listed 12th april 1916 died27th june 1919 buried Loughagry.My father still has his medals and a brouch of fiflal tower France plus German coins etc I think he was a corpral he was also in RIC oringinaly from Ballykeel lived east belfast
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: deirdre on June 12, 2009, 01:08:05 PM
hi mary ,could you tell where i could get a copy of my grandfathers army record....he was with the connaght rangers  1914- 1918 all i have is a photo of him in uniform....the photo was taken in dublin and he was belfast born and bred.....deirdre.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: lelebells on June 21, 2009, 11:13:51 PM
hi would any one have any pictures of the   2nd Bn. Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers in 1940 or no were i could see any  or get some thank you
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: maryde on June 24, 2009, 11:39:44 PM

 Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me out or point me in the right direction.  I am looking for service records of my grandfather Peter McLoughlin who came from the Falls area.  I dont know what regiment he was in... my mum thinks  maybe the RAF but she isnt sure although she knows he wasnt a flyer.  She knows he served in the front line at some stage and my grandmother received a war pension but thats about it. I have checked ancestry.co.uk military records and came across some medal cards for Peter McLouglin 2 were for the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers and one for the Royal Irish Rifles but as there was no date of birth, address etc I dont know if any of these relates to him.  So can anyone please give me some suggestions of where to go next.  Many thanks, Mary   Oh by the way it was WW1 he served in.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on July 05, 2009, 02:30:34 PM


Mary.

Go to http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/

You will be amazed at the information on there. The members are real "anoracks" whose only reason for living is to research WW1.

It is simple to join.

Make sure you put your request into the correct Forum - in this case "SOLDIERS".

Give every little piece of information you have got, including date of birth and any addresses, regiments - EVERYTHING.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the replies you get.

Good Luck.

BD  ;)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: maryde on July 06, 2009, 09:44:50 PM

 Thanks BD it looks like a good site, so will have a go, thanks for your response.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on July 07, 2009, 12:00:18 AM
Thanks BD it looks like a good site, so will have a go, thanks for your response.

Maryde,

My pleasure.

Make sure you let us know how you got on so that other Forum members will know.

Good Hunting.

BD :)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ned on July 08, 2009, 07:12:52 PM
Hi

Just on a point of interest Dr Richard Greyson will be bringing out a book later this year about the men from the Falls and the Shankill who fought in WW1.
I will post the information on it when I get the word. It should make for great reading.

Ned :)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on July 08, 2009, 07:41:04 PM


Ned,

Thanks.  Let us know please...

Always interested in WW1.

BD
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: hen190782 on July 16, 2009, 01:40:06 PM
Bobden - I am building up material on WW1 servicemen from the Crescent, Fitzroy Avenue and Donegall Pass congregations.  There is already some documents on the Fitzroy Presbyterian Church's website - http://www.fitzroy.org.uk/Groups/94945/Fitzroy_Presbyterian_Church/About_Us/History/Wartime_Service_and/Wartime_Service_and.aspx

There is also a audio-visual piece written and narrated by Philip Orr which you may find interesting.

Regards

Nigel
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on July 16, 2009, 06:02:20 PM


Thanks Nigel
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: pinkthistle1 on July 20, 2009, 01:02:21 PM
My great x 2 grampa was in the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, i have his medal card if you want to add it...you helped me way back find his father in Moneymore, name of Moran...
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: hcoid on August 01, 2009, 04:41:31 PM
Belfast Telegraph Thursday 4th April 1918

Private A. Coid, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, died from wounds and gas poisoning received in action on 21st March. His elder brother was killed in action on 29th April, 1916. Their mother was a resident at 17, Shipbuoy Street, Belfast
 
I am Heather Coid, a third cousin of Andrew's and am looking for further information on both him and James his brother. His mother Jane Coid, previously married to the boys' father remarried  Charles McCloy. There are bound to be McCloy relations still in Belfast but I have come to a blank. I have recently visited Andrew's grave at Grand Seracourt British Cemetry in France and know that James has no grave but is mentioned on the memorial wall at Loos. If anyone could come up with photgraphs of the boys or any relative living or dead connected to them I would be delighted.
Also thank you to Christopher for the Telegraph extract.

 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on August 02, 2009, 07:28:21 PM
Belfast Telegraph Thursday 4th April 1918

Private A. Coid, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, died from wounds and gas poisoning received in action on 21st March. His elder brother was killed in action on 29th April, 1916. Their mother was a resident at 17, Shipbuoy Street, Belfast
 
I am Heather Coid, a third cousin of Andrew's and am looking for further information on both him and James his brother. His mother Jane Coid, previously married to the boys' father remarried  Charles McCloy. There are bound to be McCloy relations still in Belfast but I have come to a blank. I have recently visited Andrew's grave at Grand Seracourt British Cemetry in France and know that James has no grave but is mentioned on the memorial wall at Loos. If anyone could come up with photgraphs of the boys or any relative living or dead connected to them I would be delighted.
Also thank you to Christopher for the Telegraph extract.

 


hcoid,

If you check my posting about six postings previous(on July 5th), you will see a link to a WW1 site.

If you visit the site, join up and post your query, giving as much info. as possible on the "Soldiers" thread.

There is a member who calls himself "Desmond7", and he knows all about the 'skins.

Good Luck.

BD

 ;)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: hcoid on August 02, 2009, 08:02:07 PM

hcoid,

If you check my posting about six postings previous(on July 5th), you will see a link to a WW1 site.

If you visit the site, join up and post your query, giving as much info. as possible on the "Soldiers" thread.

There is a member who calls himself "Desmond7", and he knows all about the 'skins.

Thank you I know all about the soldiers I want to know about the relatives but thanks anyway!

Good Luck.

BD

 ;)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: just sixty on August 08, 2009, 11:11:29 PM
Hi
My grandfather was a captain in the army late 1880s to 1918  and my father and his brothers were all in the air force during the war2 will give you details later this week
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ED25 on August 22, 2009, 11:40:39 AM
Hi,

I'm sorry if this is not the correct place to post this, but does this count for your site?

My grandfather served as a Fireman during WW2 in Belfast.  He volunteered to go to London during the blitz to help train firemen there.

In those days firemen lived in flats in the fire stations, so my Mum spent her childhood living in different fire stations until she was married in 1950.

They were living in Whitla Street station when the first American troops arrived in Belfast.  No one knew they were coming and she remembers standing outside the station watching them flooding out of the docks.

She has some brilliant stories of life in Belfast at that time, and the Fire Service.

Lisa
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: gene genie on September 03, 2009, 06:36:40 PM
My grandfather fought in ww1.

He was William Samuel Remington and his regiment was the Cheshire Regiment,
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: mwl1955 on October 15, 2009, 10:46:33 PM
Hi,

Would you have any info on Major Horace H. Haslett (won the Croix de Chevalier) in 1917 or his brother J. Horner Haslett? They are ancestors of mine from my mothers side.
Thanks for any help.

Mark.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: just sixty on October 19, 2009, 09:07:59 PM
I have information on my grandfather who was in ww1 do you want to add it to your collection
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Hendy on November 16, 2009, 01:37:56 PM
Hi,

Would you have any info on Major Horace H. Haslett (won the Croix de Chevalier) in 1917 or his brother J. Horner Haslett? They are ancestors of mine from my mothers side.
Thanks for any help.

Mark.

Was he John Haslett of 32 Ghent St aged 34 and married to Annie?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: crowlie on December 10, 2009, 09:36:02 AM
I would like to thank Mary Lennon, for her valued help and advice , in enabling me to place my Great Uncle, George McClure, on the World War 1 database.
Thanks Mary.
bob
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: deirdre on December 10, 2009, 04:53:33 PM
i to would like to thank mary lennon,for adding my grand father robert brennan and great uncle william kerr...good job mary thanks :smile:
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ourjoe on January 08, 2010, 08:29:36 PM
i also like to thank mary for a great job that she and her family are doing
it is expansive to run her site ..if you can ..it would be nice to make a dontion no mater how small to keep this great site  running...THANK YOU MARY FOR A GREAT JOB. .ourjoe
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: kaput210 on January 13, 2010, 05:05:49 PM
my grandad sammuel young was in wwi his name was on the memorial that was in york street  railway station years ago then they redone it and I dont know where the memorial went can anyone tell me Its the station across the road from york gate before you turn on to go to the motorways
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: markinbelfast on January 19, 2010, 11:54:22 PM
memorial is still there but further on up away from the city...just behind the second set of gates
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ejjdp on January 22, 2010, 10:30:10 PM
Mary my mother Margaret Smith nee Ellis (Peggy) served in the W.R.E.N.s from 1941 -1945. she was based at H.M.S Caroline. Having qualified as an electrician she became one of the first torpedo Wrens in Belfast. My Father also served in the Royal Navy and when his ship H.M.S Blackwood a Captain Class Frigate came into Belfast my uncle invited him home and that is how my Mother and Father met they married in Torpoint Devon in 1944. Mum returning home to Belfast to continue her service at Caroline.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: zazooooo on February 21, 2010, 03:34:53 PM
Ulsterroots, I seem to be in that site more than anywhere else these days, can I add your gguncles to my list, have you a photograph or any other info you'd like to add?
Send me all the info [email protected]
Mary

EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGED TO [email protected]
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: pepher on March 10, 2010, 01:07:17 AM
Hi Mary,  Hi everyone,

Question for you all.  I have an uncle that has since passed away that served in the Army during WW2.  All I know is his age and the street he lived on during the war.  I don't have his regimental number or know anything about which Btn. he was with.  Can someone enlighten me to my options to find out more details about him?

He passed away about 12 years ago, not related to anything military.

Thanks in advance everyone... here's hopin'!
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: rocky1 on March 19, 2010, 09:41:06 PM
Could anyone tell me if the army references keep photo ids of thee recruits.
My uncle died in Italy but have never seen a photo of him.He was in the Royal Irish Fusilers. Has anyone any ideas? Rocky
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: boxer1949 on June 02, 2010, 09:07:16 PM
http://ww2ni.webs.com/greaterbelfast.htm (http://ww2ni.webs.com/greaterbelfast.htm)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: calamity jane on July 13, 2010, 01:10:47 AM
how would I go About getting army records my grandad was in frist nad second war   11th husars dont know his army number but know when he joind and that  any body help
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Moonlight on July 20, 2010, 10:23:09 AM
Any information on Royal Navy records for the Batlle of Jutland. My Grandfather's brother Thomas McCann was killed on his ship HMS Defence according to my elderly Aunt.  I have found Navy records for a Thomas McCann from Belfast who died there but the date of his birth does not match the one I have for my relative.  There is a roll of honour plaque in St Anne's Cathdral with this name on it errected by The Printers Union and his father was a printer. There is also a memorial in Plymouth as well but I am now not sure if he is the right one.    Is it possible that his DOB could be wrong on his Navy Records?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on July 21, 2010, 05:24:44 PM
Any information on Royal Navy records for the Batlle of Jutland. My Grandfather's brother Thomas McCann was killed on his ship HMS Defence according to my elderly Aunt.  I have found Navy records for a Thomas McCann from Belfast who died there but the date of his birth does not match the one I have for my relative.  There is a roll of honour plaque in St Anne's Cathdral with this name on it errected by The Printers Union and his father was a printer. There is also a memorial in Plymouth as well but I am now not sure if he is the right one.    Is it possible that his DOB could be wrong on his Navy Records?

 
Moonlight,
 
Try here.
 
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showforum=24 (http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showforum=24)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Moonlight on July 21, 2010, 06:16:48 PM
 :smile: Thank you Bobdenn, Will do.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Moonlight on July 23, 2010, 05:30:09 PM

 
Moonlight,
 
Try here.
 
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showforum=24 (http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showforum=24)

Thank you BD found the answer on that link.  He is the right one.  There is a plaque with his name on it in St Annes's Cathedral in Belfast.  I will be paying my respects there when I go home next month.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on July 24, 2010, 11:02:51 AM
Thank you BD found the answer on that link.  He is the right one.  There is a plaque with his name on it in St Annes's Cathedral in Belfast.  I will be paying my respects there when I go home next month.

 :hi:
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: orangelil on August 10, 2010, 07:30:05 PM
Is it possible that his DOB could be wrong on his Navy Records?

Yes, my husband's great grandfather's age on his navy records is exactly 2 years and 1 day younger than the date on his birth certificate.  Initially I thought the discrepancy was because he lied about his age to get into the navy, then I realised that he'd made himself younger, not older.
 :smile:
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Moonlight on August 10, 2010, 10:36:40 PM
Yes, my husband's great grandfather's age on his navy records is exactly 2 years and 1 day younger than the date on his birth certificate.  Initially I thought the discrepancy was because he lied about his age to get into the navy, then I realised that he'd made himself younger, not older.
 :smile:

Thanks for that orangelil.  I thought that too that he had lied about his age to get in the Navy but then discovered it made him older. I have checked the records and got confirmation that he was the only Thomas McCann from Belfast killed at Jutland so it is definitely him.  I have learned since starting to trace my ancestors not to take too much notice of dates as there seems to be a lot of inaccuracies.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: orangelil on August 10, 2010, 10:45:06 PM
You are right - use ages etc as guidance.  Sometimes they are right but more often than not they are wrong. 

My husbands great grandfather Daniel fought with your Thomas at Jutland, but survived.  He was a stoker on board HMS porpoise, part of the 4th Destroyer Flotilla.  The family story is that he came back with his kitbag covered in blood and when asked, he said that his friend Cookie had died in his arms.  He never talked about it afterwards but it was clear he was deeply affected by the horror of war.  I haven't established if Cookie was a man named Cooke or his job was ship's Cook.
Nice to make these connections nearly 100 years on from the battle.     

We will remember them

karen
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Moonlight on August 10, 2010, 11:11:03 PM
What a sad story Lil.  It must have been such a horrible experience for him.  HMS Defence was apparently blown to bits so it really make you stop and think what these men went through.  Thomas was 33 and had just got married weeks before the battle. He was my Grandfather's brother and of three sons born to his parents my grandfather was the only one to survive.  His brother John died of TB aged 26 just before his son was born.  My Grandfather made up for them both.  He lived to the ripe old age of 82.  I have come across some sad stories since starting this, of women losing four babies and kids ending up in orphanages.  It really makes you realise how lucky we are to be living in this day and age.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Ken Austin on September 06, 2010, 12:48:33 PM
We have a list of those who died from the Lurgan area in WW1 and WW2 on the Lurgan Ancestry website here's the link to the WW1 section, we are still building the WW2 section at the moment:  http://www.lurganancestry.com/ww1/worldwar1.htm (http://www.lurganancestry.com/ww1/worldwar1.htm)
 
If anyone has any info or photos they would like to add to the Lurgan Ancestry Project, please contact us via the website.
 
Best ~ Ken
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Caulkhead on September 16, 2010, 12:34:58 AM
Hi Mary, and good day to you all....
I am not performing a geno. search but i do browse this excellent site now and again, my dad ( George Ward bn. 1912 ) was a Belfast man and i would assume his family are still there abouts but i have of no knowledge of this. He had at least two sisters and a brother, it is his brother, my uncle, ( Henry Baxter Ward ) this post refers to...I apologise in advance if Henrys closer family are already aware...
It was by shear chance that i come across some interesting information on H.M.S. Violets, ( WW2 corvette, K35 ) home page. the account details of this incident ( Death on board ) is almost word for word to the story my parents told me many many times years ago when the family photo whose who took centre stage, not much on tv then, bit like now..
"Died instantly from cyanide poisoning after eating a tomato on board after ship was fumigated in Durban 1945". As no name was given to the unfortunate lad i carried out some research and found my uncles burial site in Stellawood Commonwealth Graves Cem. Durban..The information on the headstone together with personal details, to my sparse knowledge is correct...
Just thought i would share this, as it was a complete chance find and may be of use... What is more important i emailed the H.M.S. Violet website owner Clive Parish, who can now add the name Henry Baxter Ward ( paddy ) to the crew list, and witness account.
Mary, i will e-mail Henrys service info. to your goodself, include it in your database if you wish...but right now i could murder a pint... many thanks...
No worries....Peter D Ward...
 (http://www.boardoo.com/free-smilies/smilies/boardoo-starwars-smiley-2873.gif)...
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on September 16, 2010, 02:51:35 PM
Hi Mary, and good day to you all....
I am not performing a geno. search but i do browse this excellent site now and again, my dad ( George Ward bn. 1912 ) was a Belfast man and i would assume his family are still there abouts but i have of no knowledge of this. He had at least two sisters and a brother, it is his brother, my uncle, ( Henry Baxter Ward ) this post refers to...I apologise in advance if Henrys closer family are already aware...
It was by shear chance that i come across some interesting information on H.M.S. Violets, ( WW2 corvette, K35 ) home page. the account details of this incident ( Death on board ) is almost word for word to the story my parents told me many many times years ago when the family photo whose who took centre stage, not much on tv then, bit like now..
"Died instantly from cyanide poisoning after eating a tomato on board after ship was fumigated in Durban 1945". As no name was given to the unfortunate lad i carried out some research and found my uncles burial site in Stellawood Commonwealth Graves Cem. Durban..The information on the headstone together with personal details, to my sparse knowledge is correct...
Just thought i would share this, as it was a complete chance find and may be of use... What is more important i emailed the H.M.S. Violet website owner Clive Parish, who can now add the name Henry Baxter Ward ( paddy ) to the crew list, and witness account.
Mary, i will e-mail Henrys service info. to your goodself, include it in your database if you wish...but right now i could murder a pint... many thanks...
No worries....Peter D Ward...
 (http://www.boardoo.com/free-smilies/smilies/boardoo-starwars-smiley-2873.gif)...

 
Peter,
 
Your uncle is remembered on this excellent website and it allows you to add a photo if you wish.
 
BD
 
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=ward&GSfn=henry&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=64&GSob=n&GRid=47423870&df=all (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=ward&GSfn=henry&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=64&GSob=n&GRid=47423870&df=all)&
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Caulkhead on September 17, 2010, 10:28:57 PM

 
Peter,
 
Your uncle is remembered on this excellent website and it allows you to add a photo if you wish.
 
BD
 
 

 
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=ward&GSfn=henry&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=64&GSob=n&GRid=47423870&df=all (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=ward&GSfn=henry&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=64&GSob=n&GRid=47423870&df=all)&

Thanks  BD...
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: cbarnes on September 29, 2010, 08:52:27 PM
Culd u please look up james middleton balymena place served in both ww1 ww2 army lived til 90 yrs old thanks
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Vita Brevis on January 15, 2011, 07:20:36 PM
Sorry Mary, I know this isn't exactly why you set up this thread, but I need the help of experts.  I am trying to find information on a relative that was supposedly torpedoed about 1918, only problem, I have no idea which vessel or what exactly he was doing on it, or where it was hit.   His father had previously been in the army, so he could have been army personel  going/returning on leave.  He was from Belfast, but can't find anything on army archives in his name.  Could do with some help on this so if anyone can point me in the direction of lost merchant/passenger vessels during that time, especially names of those lost, I would be really grateful.  The only concrete info I have is his name, dob & family residence details.  thanks VB
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: kieran257 on January 16, 2011, 08:22:13 PM
Hi all,
 
I am hoping that someone could lookup the record of Francis Tohill.  I have found him listed on
http://www.military-genealogy.com/nameShow-war-1-sid-207812.htm (http://www.military-genealogy.com/nameShow-war-1-sid-207812.htm)
 
I would be very grateful of any help with this
 
Thanks for all your help
 
Kieran
 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on January 16, 2011, 09:31:36 PM
Hi all,
 
I am hoping that someone could lookup the record of Francis Tohill.  I have found him listed on
http://www.military-genealogy.com/nameShow-war-1-sid-207812.htm (http://www.military-genealogy.com/nameShow-war-1-sid-207812.htm)
 
I would be very grateful of any help with this
 
Thanks for all your help
 
Kieran

Kieran,
 
I assume you know that Francis is remembered here:-
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=777685 (http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=777685)
 
and also remembered here:-
 
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=tohill&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GSob=n&GSsr=41&GRid=56743829&df=all (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=tohill&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GSob=n&GSsr=41&GRid=56743829&df=all)&
 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: kieran257 on January 22, 2011, 09:32:43 AM
Hi bobdenn,
 
Thanks for all your help.  This has been a great help to me.  Do you know how I would be able to locate a photo of him?
 
Would his war record have a photo?
 
Thanks
 
Kieran
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on January 22, 2011, 12:10:03 PM
Hi all,
 
I am hoping that someone could lookup the record of Francis Tohill.  I have found him listed on
http://www.military-genealogy.com/nameShow-war-1-sid-207812.htm (http://www.military-genealogy.com/nameShow-war-1-sid-207812.htm)
 
I would be very grateful of any help with this
 
Thanks for all your help
 
Kieran

K.
 
It's unlikely you would find an individual photo, but there will almost definitely be photos of his regiment.
 
Try this Website - Great War Forum.  Join up and post as many details as possible about him in the Soldiers board.
 
Good Luck.
 
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?act=idx (http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?act=idx)
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Post by: kieran257 on January 22, 2011, 02:19:46 PM
Hi bobdenn,
 
Thank you very much for all your help.  Hopefully someone might have a photo for me.
 
Thanks
 
Kieran
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Bugsy on February 07, 2011, 07:38:11 PM
Something of a mystery here.
 
My Father-in-law was 'up in the attic' and came across some medals etc.  We can associate them with various family members but we came across what I think is a WWI Victory medal. It's inscribed 6809 Pte J McCaffrey R IR RIF.  Cannot place him in the family.  Can anyone shed any light?
 
Medal has 'The Great War for Civilisation' on it.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Bread Basket on March 04, 2011, 05:59:22 PM
Something of a mystery here.
 
My Father-in-law was 'up in the attic' and came across some medals etc.  We can associate them with various family members but we came across what I think is a WWI Victory medal. It's inscribed 6809 Pte J McCaffrey R IR RIF.  Cannot place him in the family.  Can anyone shed any light?
 
Medal has 'The Great War for Civilisation' on it.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii316/welterweight1953/picforforum.jpg)

Does this help solve it a bit?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Bugsy on March 04, 2011, 10:20:59 PM
Many thanks BB.  Will check with the Da in law.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: soozie on May 20, 2011, 09:19:32 PM
Hi I am writing a book about my grt. grandfather Sir Crawford McCullagh he was Lord Mayor of Belfast for 18 years 1914-1916 and 1932-1948 so longest ever serving Lord Mayor in the British Isles. He opened Floral Hall so any pics of that era would be great - I'm also looking for any photos, memorabilia relating to him - long shot as its sooo long ago - but - anyone have a 'morale' card that was issued during WW11 to bolster spirits in the linen factories and warehouses in Belfast.  If anyone remembers their grandparents or parents talking about him or have any photos or memorabilia relating to him I would be very grateful - thanks soozie
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: boxer1949 on May 21, 2011, 09:04:09 AM
(http://i54.tinypic.com/kda83c.jpg)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: boxer1949 on May 21, 2011, 09:04:57 AM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2jdguvr.jpg)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: soozie on May 21, 2011, 12:32:31 PM
Hi Boxer1949 - many thanks for the photos, did you find them in the Belfast Telegraph - or do  you have original copies would love them for my book - also what, where is Carrick House - thanks soozie
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: boxer1949 on May 21, 2011, 01:36:37 PM
Hi Boxer1949 - many thanks for the photos, did you find them in the Belfast Telegraph - or do  you have original copies would love them for my book - also what, where is Carrick House - thanks soozie
I got the photo's on the web Carrick House is in Carrick Hill in north Belfast its a hostel for male homeless the one thats in the photo is long gone.If anymore photos come up ill forward them on to you good luck wit the book 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on May 21, 2011, 07:25:11 PM
Connaught Rangers,

can any one tell me about them?

m.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on May 21, 2011, 07:38:40 PM
Connaught Rangers,

can any one tell me about them?

m.

m.

Look here:- http://www.connaughtrangersassoc.com/cms/ (http://www.connaughtrangersassoc.com/cms/)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on May 22, 2011, 12:37:49 AM
Thanks bobdenn.

m.
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Post by: m. on June 01, 2011, 11:30:45 PM
Can any one tell me about this photo?

I copied it some where but didn't take any notes.
The more I look at it the man/boy standing to attention it looks like my grand father, Peter Mc Kernon.
Not that I knew him at this age but he does resemble uncles and nephews.

m.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2j29udv.jpg)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: soozie on June 04, 2011, 05:36:33 PM
Hi M
 
The photo is of General Eisenhower with Lord Londonderry on his left - I am not 100% sure if it Lord Londonderry but if does look like him and if it was taken in Belfast as I presume it was then chances are it is - soozie
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on June 04, 2011, 05:41:52 PM
Hi M
 
The photo is of General Eisenhower with Lord Londonderry on his left - I am not 100% sure if it Lord Londonderry but if does look like him and if it was taken in Belfast as I presume it was then chances are it is - soozie

Hi soozie,
thanks for your reply.
Do you think this photo was ever printed in a newspaper?

m.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: soozie on June 04, 2011, 05:55:34 PM
Hi I would imagine it would have been in the Belfast Telegraph or News Letter and possibly 1945 - Central Library are very helpful you should try there - soozie
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on June 04, 2011, 07:43:17 PM
M.

Here is the full photo.

(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll119/dbf_bucket/eisenhowerBelfast.jpg)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on June 04, 2011, 08:07:46 PM
Hi I would imagine it would have been in the Belfast Telegraph or News Letter and possibly 1945 - Central Library are very helpful you should try there - soozie

Definitely WW2?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on June 04, 2011, 08:08:58 PM
M.

Here is the full photo.

Even better,thanks bobdenn

(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll119/dbf_bucket/eisenhowerBelfast.jpg)
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Post by: alexboyle on June 07, 2011, 09:48:31 PM
Name:BOYLE
Initials:J
]Nationality:United Kingdom
Rank:Private
Regiment/Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers"fB" Coy. 6th Bn.
Age:23
Date of Death:03/10/1918
Service No:4276
Additional information:Son of Mr. and Mrs. Daniel Boyle, of Ballamore, Ballymoney, Co. Antrim.
Casualty Type:Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Cemetery:]PROSPECT HILL CEMETERY, GOUY[
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on June 08, 2011, 04:42:30 AM
Name:BOYLE
Initials:J
]Nationality:United Kingdom
Rank:Private
Regiment/Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers"fB" Coy. 6th Bn.
Age:23
Date of Death:03/10/1918
Service No:4276
Additional information:Son of Mr. and Mrs. Daniel Boyle, of Ballamore, Ballymoney, Co. Antrim.
Casualty Type:Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Cemetery:]PROSPECT HILL CEMETERY, GOUY[

 4276 Private James Boyle
6th Bn. Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Died of Wounds 3rd October 1918
Aged 23

 Born:: Balnamore
Son of Daniel and Mrs. Boyle, Balnamore
Enlisted: Coleraine
 Interred in Prospect Hill Cemetery, Aisne, France, Plot 1, Row D, Grave 5.

Link:-

He is mentioned near the very bottom of the link.

 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:icdrpP4_aOwJ:www.lennonwylie.co.uk/RobertThompsonBallymoney2.htm+4276+Private+James+Boyle&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:icdrpP4_aOwJ:www.lennonwylie.co.uk/RobertThompsonBallymoney2.htm+4276+Private+James+Boyle&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on June 08, 2011, 04:52:01 AM
Name:BOYLE
Initials:J
]Nationality:United Kingdom
Rank:Private
Regiment/Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers"fB" Coy. 6th Bn.
Age:23
Date of Death:03/10/1918
Service No:4276
Additional information:Son of Mr. and Mrs. Daniel Boyle, of Ballamore, Ballymoney, Co. Antrim.
Casualty Type:Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Cemetery:]PROSPECT HILL CEMETERY, GOUY[

Pvt. James BOYLE is also remembered here:- http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=boyle&GSbyrel=all&GSdy=1918&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=7&GSob=n&GSsr=1&GRid=56405572&df=all& (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=boyle&GSbyrel=all&GSdy=1918&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=7&GSob=n&GSsr=1&GRid=56405572&df=all&)

Prospect Hill Cemetery:

(http://www.ww1cemeteries.com/rescanned_addenda/prospect_hill.JPG)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on June 08, 2011, 04:03:50 PM


Is this the boy/man in the photo Bobdenn?

m.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on June 08, 2011, 04:12:58 PM

Is this the boy/man in the photo Bobdenn?

m.

M.

Which photo?

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on June 08, 2011, 08:12:20 PM
Can any one tell me about this photo?

I copied it some where but didn't take any notes.
The more I look at it the man/boy standing to attention it looks like my grand father, Peter Mc Kernon.
Not that I knew him at this age but he does resemble uncles and nephews.

m.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2j29udv.jpg)

Sorry Bobdenn, this one.

m.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on June 08, 2011, 08:42:13 PM

Sorry Bobdenn, this one.

m.

Sorry m.

What boy or man?

If you are talking about my post re: Pvt. Boyle above, I was answering a query to a post from Alexboyle.

 :smile:

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on June 08, 2011, 09:49:28 PM
Can any one tell me about this photo?

I copied it some where but didn't take any notes.
The more I look at it the man/boy standing to attention it looks like my grand father, Peter Mc Kernon.
Not that I knew him at this age but he does resemble uncles and nephews.

m.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2j29udv.jpg)

Sorry Bobdenn, I was talking about this boy in the photo standing to attention.
I thought that was his name that was posted.
Forgive me.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Euryalus1908 on July 02, 2011, 02:14:20 PM
Hi Mary,

My grandfather, James Gamble (b.Londonderry, 27 Nov 1890-d.Chatham, Kent 3 July 1965) ran away from the family home in Belfast at the age of 14 in about 1904 and found his way to Chatham Dockyard, where he was an errand boy, according to his service record.  In January 1907 he enlisted in the Royal Navy at Devonport and joined the boys training ship there, HMS Impregnable.  His first seagoing ship was HMS Euryalus which took part in the evacuation and rescue of survivors of the Messina Earthquake, New Year's Day, 1909. The earthquake occurred on 28 December 1908, according to a little silver medal that James Gamble was awarded (Messina Earthquake Medal) for his small part in that rescue.  I still have the medal and it has a green and white striped ribbon. I think he was proud of that medal because he displayed the ribbon on his uniform when the Admiralty did not allow the actual medal to be worn (because it was an award by a foreign country). At the Battle of Jutland in 1916, he was promoted to Petty Officer. He had passed the Petty Officer exams prior to that in 1913. Other medals indicate the theatre of war in which he took part.  He received the General Service Medal with bar for Persian Gulf, 1909-1914, Africa Service Medal, 1914-15 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal.  His service was so long that it is cut into two.  National Archives, Kew, have 1907-1928 and the Ministry of Defence have 1929-1932, 1936-1939, 1939-1945.  His speciality was gunnery.  He was a CPO gunnery instructor before 1932 (crossed canons on his lapels.) I have a few photos of him but nothing earlier than 1930.  One of his last captains, Launcelot Ernest Holland RN, wrote the following testimonial after James had retired from the Navy: "Chief Petty Officer J. Gamble served under my command in H.M. Ships Vindictive and Hawkins from May 1929 until April 1931.  I found him to be very hard working and reliable and an excellent seaman. L.E. Holland Captain R.N., 4th April 1932."
My father married in 1960 and he lost touch with his Gamble relations in Belfast.  I would be interested in being contacted by any of the family and perhaps we can exchange photos and maybe reminiscences.
James is listed in the 1901 census, with the Gamble family at that date:
1 North Howard Street Wood Vale Ward, Antrim, parish of Shankill. Ref. 103/55b
Gamble, Samuel, 36, Head of the Family, Church of Ireland, born Londonderry City (Co Donegal in the 1911 census), Upholsterer. Read and write.
Gamble, Annie, 37, Wife. Church of Ireland, born Londonderry City, Housekeeper. Read and write
Gamble, Jennie, 13, daughter, Church of Ireland, born Londonderry City, scholar. Read and write
Gamble, Samuel, 12, son, Church of Ireland, born Londonderry City, Upholsterer. Read and write
Gamble, James, 10, son, Church of Ireland, born Londonderry City, scholar. Read and write
Gamble, Maggie, 8, daughter, Church of Ireland, born Londonderry City, scholar. Read and write
Gamble, Nellie, 5, daughter, Church of Ireland, born Belfast City. Cannot read.
Gamble, Annie, 4, daughter, Church of Ireland, born Belfast City. Cannot read.

According to the Belfast Street Directory for 1907, Samuel Gamble, upholsterer, lived at 25 Beresford Street. I see that there are postings about Beresford Street elsewhere on this site.
In the 1911 census, Samuel was living with his family at 40, Seventh Street, Wood Vale Ward, parish of Shankill.

According to James Gamble (what he told his son, Terence), there were 16 children and twins died in infancy. Two other children are listed in the 1911 census and I know of another, Thomas, who must have been born after 1911. He was the youngest of the 16 children. The others, unknown, must have either died or married or left the family home, between 1890 and 1901 and 1911 and 1914.  On Nellie's marriage certificate, 29 November 1914 (married William Stitt At St Matthias Church of Ireland, Belfast), her father is deceased.

I hope this is all of some interest.
Stephen James Gamble
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on July 02, 2011, 02:22:16 PM

According to the Belfast Street Directory for 1907, Samuel Gamble, upholsterer, lived at 25 Beresford Street. I see that there are postings about Beresford Street elsewhere on this site.
In the 1911 census, Samuel was living with his family at 40, Seventh Street, Wood Vale Ward, parish of Shankill.


Hi Stephen and welcome to the forum.

Is this your Samuel Gamble?

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=gamble&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GScntry=306&GSob=n&GRid=59930721&df=all& (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=gamble&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GScntry=306&GSob=n&GRid=59930721&df=all&)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Euryalus1908 on July 02, 2011, 02:40:40 PM
Thanks Bobdenn,

This Samuel Gamble's dates indicate he is another Samuel Gamble but I have to admit that his photo looks like me with a moustache!  I suspect he might be related.

My great grandfather, Samuel, was an upholsterer and his age in 1901 census is 36 so he was born about 1865.  One of his daughters, Nellie, married William Stitt and according to their marriage certificate, Samuel was deceased by that date (29 November 1914). I did know from word of mouth that he had died young.

There are an enormous number of Gambles in Belfast.

Euryalus1908
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Evelyn on July 21, 2011, 10:04:21 AM
I would appreciate some help on where to find information on an ancestor who was in the 2nd Batallion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers and was killed on Foreign Service.  His name was on a Memorial Plaque at St Lucia's Barracks, Omagh.  Sadly the barracks was demolished and I have no idea what happened to the Memorial.
The Memorial was for those who died on Foreign Service 1888 - 1908 (Northwest Frontier of India, South Africa and lastly Egypt)
His name was on it as Lance Cpl J McCrea (i.e James)..
 
Hope someone can steer me in the right direction!!!
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on July 21, 2011, 10:31:07 AM
I would appreciate some help on where to find information on an ancestor who was in the 2nd Batallion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers and was killed on Foreign Service.  His name was on a Memorial Plaque at St Lucia's Barracks, Omagh.  Sadly the barracks was demolished and I have no idea what happened to the Memorial.
The Memorial was for those who died on Foreign Service 1888 - 1908 (Northwest Frontier of India, South Africa and lastly Egypt)
His name was on it as Lance Cpl J McCrea (i.e James)..
 
Hope someone can steer me in the right direction!!!

Evelyn,

The following link uses info. obtained from the Ulster Herald.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XtaM7qGxK5kJ:www.operationbanner.com/news.asp%3FStotyID%3D73+St+Lucia's+Barracks+mccrea+memorial&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XtaM7qGxK5kJ:www.operationbanner.com/news.asp%3FStotyID%3D73+St+Lucia's+Barracks+mccrea+memorial&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk)

HOWEVER, you would probably be better off by contacting the Ulster Herald here:- http://www.ulsterherald.com/#footer (http://www.ulsterherald.com/#footer)

Good Luck

BD
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Evelyn on July 21, 2011, 10:41:32 AM
Thank you BD...I'll check that out  :smile:
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: eastbelfastbabe on July 28, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
Anyone who has an Ancestor or friend from Northern or Southern Ireland and who served in the first or second wars and would like to add their name to a database I'm creating on my site, please email me
[email protected] Sorry MaryLennon i don't have enough info but maybe someone can help me My dads name; Samuel Edward Haddock,I think he served in Royal Ulster Rifles. He was discharged 25 December 1946 #7021623.
                                                 

sample:-
WW1  http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww1soldiers.database.htm (http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww1soldiers.database.htm)
WW2  http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww2soldiers.database.htm (http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww2soldiers.database.htm)

I MODIFIED THE LINKS FOR THE WW1 AND WW2 DATABASE AND ONLY REALISED THE LINKS POSTED DIDN'T WORK WHEN SOMEONE EMAILED ME, I'VE CHANGED THEM IN THESE POSTS BUT IF ANYONE HAS POSTED THE LINKS ELSEWHERE COULD THEY PLEASE EITHER MODIFY THEM OR POST THE NEW LINKS. ...SORRY FOR THE BOTHER  Mary
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: allymac on July 28, 2011, 04:28:39 PM
Found my Grandfather's old navy kitbag and as far as I can tell from the writing on it he lived at 4 Ballycastle Streetand I think his service number is po x121207.The first 2 letters may refer to Portsmouth.Can anyone help me out with any info on him as he died when I was only a nipper.His last address was Coniston Street in the Shankill area and in the 1901 census he was living at 10 Harrisburg Street off York Road,aged 12.Thank you.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: maura on July 28, 2011, 04:49:36 PM
allymac you haven't said who your grandfather was.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: eastbelfastbabe on July 28, 2011, 05:30:43 PM
Apologize for my ignorant way of posting my message put it down to me being very new at this. My dad Samuel Edward Haddock served in Royal Ulster Rifles. I am sure he was in Palestine and he was wounded more than once I remember the bullet scars. His number was 7021623 and he was discharged 25 Dec.1946. He died  1969 and I would like know if anyone could help me find were I can get more info.Sorry MaryLennon for ruining your Subject.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: maura on July 28, 2011, 06:37:50 PM
eastbelfastbabe I'm not an expert, but to my knowledge ww2 records are not online and you have to apply to Kew in London for his records. By any chance is your father the son of a Samuel Edward Haddock & Agnes Vance.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: eastbelfastbabe on July 28, 2011, 11:05:30 PM
eastbelfastbabe I'm not an expert, but to my knowledge ww2 records are not online and you have to apply to Kew in London for his records. By any chance is your father the son of a Samuel Edward Haddock & Agnes Vance.

Yes. They lived at 24 Manderson st.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: allymac on July 29, 2011, 11:34:06 AM
Sorry Maura,he was called Tommy Patterson.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: maura on July 29, 2011, 12:35:26 PM
allymac, is this him
 
Patterson, Thomas (Fireman) RS2 No.446230.
Born: 1889-02-25, Belfast, Co. Antrim, Ireland
Photo: f4
http://www.irishmariners.ie/index.php (http://www.irishmariners.ie/index.php)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: maura on July 29, 2011, 12:37:10 PM
eastbelfastbabe, if I've done my research right, your grandfather & my grandmother were 1st cousin.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: eastbelfastbabe on July 29, 2011, 05:20:32 PM
That's very interesting. I don't know very much about my granddad but I have some evidence that he might have been gassed out of WW1. I have just moved house so everything is still topsy- turvy. I will have a look for this and let you know. My grandmother remarried and we called Billy grandad. I would love to see what you have.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: maura on July 30, 2011, 03:18:22 PM
I'll send you a pm with some info.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loneygrandchild on July 31, 2011, 12:26:18 AM
Hi, can anyone identify this WW1 uniform collar?

(http://i54.tinypic.com/24g54k6.jpg)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: DMW on July 31, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
Not sure if I'm right - my father was in Royal Inniskillngs and I have a old photo of him and his brothers in uniform about 1918. He was a leutenant - the buttons are similar -but the top is closed on the badge , however one of his brothers who was a sergeant  has collar badges with the 'open' flare like this.Could be different by rank.   I'm sure there is Military Insignia expert out there. Sorry I am not able to post the photo for comparasion.
Just studied them again - are they different on each collar?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loneygrandchild on July 31, 2011, 09:56:37 PM
Hi, thanks 4 replying, this is my great grandas uniform.
He died 1st June 1916 aged 40.
He was a private with the 8th Royal Irish Fusiliers but I havent been able 2 find another collar like it on my searches so am hoping I can learn more thru' the forum.
Dont think they r different on each collar but it looks 2 me like the tassels & buttons have been painted/drew on 2 emphasize them.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loneygrandchild on July 31, 2011, 10:23:16 PM
Hi, thanks 4 replying, this is my great grandas uniform.
He was KIA 1st June 1916 aged 40.
He was a private with the 8th Royal Irish Fusiliers but I havent been able 2 find another collar like it on my searches so am hoping I can learn more thru' the forum.
Dont think they r different on each collar but it looks 2 me like the tassels & buttons have been painted/drew on 2 emphasize them.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: DMW on July 31, 2011, 11:08:48 PM
Lonelygrandchild -  I googled "Royal Irish Fusiliers - Collar badges" and came arcoss a site -  The British Commonwealth Military Badge Forum - you might find something there - but - you have to register - and I don't know if it costs
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loneygrandchild on August 01, 2011, 12:17:52 AM
Thanks DMW
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: cnorman9000 on August 10, 2011, 10:01:54 PM
Hi Mary:  My grandfather's name was Robert Scott; from Newtownstewart in the county of Tyrone.  He was a soldier during the 1st world war with the Enniskilling Fuseliers.  He fought or four years.  I believe he may have been with the second batallion.  He was shot and wounded in the shoulder and throat area just before the war ended. I never got to see what he looked like when he was young because he married my Canadian grandmother when he was 37 and she was 20.  They had 10 children together.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Timmo on August 10, 2011, 10:18:33 PM
Hi, can anyone identify this WW1 uniform collar?

(http://i54.tinypic.com/24g54k6.jpg)
Can you say what his name was? I'm not an expert but it looks like a Fusilier badge of some sort.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on August 24, 2011, 10:24:50 PM

Extract for the Congregation of Larne, Gardenmore

McKernon Edward Back Road Private 3rd Batt. R. Inn. Fus.

Can some one please tell me how I would find information on this man?

m.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Timmo on August 25, 2011, 01:14:46 PM
Hi Mary:  My grandfather's name was Robert Scott; from Newtownstewart in the county of Tyrone.  He was a soldier during the 1st world war with the Enniskilling Fuseliers.  He fought or four years.  I believe he may have been with the second batallion.  He was shot and wounded in the shoulder and throat area just before the war ended. I never got to see what he looked like when he was young because he married my Canadian grandmother when he was 37 and she was 20.  They had 10 children together.
There were 10 Robert Scotts in the medal rolls for the Inniskillings. This can be found on the National Archives web site. Sadly it doesn't give you much info. But some one on the site might be able to get the info for you.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Timmo on August 25, 2011, 01:19:48 PM
Extract for the Congregation of Larne, Gardenmore

McKernon Edward Back Road Private 3rd Batt. R. Inn. Fus.

Can some one please tell me how I would find information on this man?

m.
He is in the medal rolls Medal card of McKernon, Edward Machine Gun Corps Private 14832 then the

Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 23589 Private

 9 in Drumnadrough (Whitehouse, Antrim)
This is a possible address in the 1911 census.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Whitehouse/Drumnadrough/191558/

This is the full link.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on August 25, 2011, 02:19:45 PM
He is in the medal rolls Medal card of McKernon, Edward Machine Gun Corps Private 14832 then the

Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 23589 Private

 9 in Drumnadrough (Whitehouse, Antrim)
This is a possible address in the 1911 census.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Whitehouse/Drumnadrough/191558/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Whitehouse/Drumnadrough/191558/)

This is the full link.

Wow Timmo,
thanks very much.
I had dismissed this man because it said Larne.
Yes Timmo, this is the same family as your last post on the other thread.
This is,I think, Williams son.

m.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Timmo on August 25, 2011, 02:39:44 PM
http://www.beneathhill60.com.au/index.htm

Seen this link might be worth a look.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on August 25, 2011, 02:48:43 PM
http://www.beneathhill60.com.au/index.htm (http://www.beneathhill60.com.au/index.htm)

Seen this link might be worth a look.

Had a look at that film, is it from last year?
It looks good, I'll have to get the DVD.

Can you give me a link Timmo so I can get some information about Edward,
and maybe find out a bit about him and the war.

Thanks for your help,

m.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Nocky on November 10, 2011, 02:44:03 PM
My uncle was in the Inniskilling Fusiliers during WW2, unfortunately he was killed by enemy action whilst in the UK preparing for D-Day, although his family came from Nottinghamshire. His youngest brother was my father (who sadly passed away a few months ago).  I would dearly like to get in touch with his Irish relatives.  He met and married an Irish lass and I believe they had a daughter, who would be my cousin.  He is buried in a cemetery in Kirkby-in-Ashfield Notts, his hometown.
Name: John H Nock
aged about 22 to 23
Killed in Newmarket, Suffolk around 1943/4
 
Any information would be great
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on November 10, 2011, 06:39:22 PM

He is remembered here:- http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2703032 (http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2703032)

Name:
NOCK, JOHN HENRY
Initials:
J H
Nationality:
United Kingdom
Rank:
Fusilier
Regiment/Service:
Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
Unit:
6th Bn.
Date of Death:
29/05/1942
Service No:
6981636
Additional information:
Son of Henry and Charity Nock; husband of Kathleen Nock, of Belfast, Northern Ireland.
Casualty Type:
Commonwealth War DeadGrave/Memorial Reference:
Sec. A. Grave 4203.Cemetery:
KINGSWAY NEW CEMETERY (Nottinghamshire)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on November 10, 2011, 06:50:53 PM

You can purchase a photo of his headstone here:-

John Henry NOCK.

http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=3132299 (http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=3132299)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Nocky on November 14, 2011, 10:58:52 AM
Thank you very much Bobdenn,
 
Unfortunately some of your information is incorrect in that my Uncle Johns father was called Samuel(not sure if you amend the records) his wife was indeed called Charity (second name was Jessima) and I have already visited Uncle John's grave on many occasions when I was living near to the cemetery where he is buried.  My main point in my search here is for relatives of John H Nock through his marriage to his wife Kathleen, who may well now have passed on.  I am sure they had at least one child during their short marriage. 
 
I am interested to know how to trace my cousin and learn anything about Kathleens family.  Once again Many thanks for your information.
Simon
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on November 14, 2011, 12:00:56 PM
Thank you very much Bobdenn,
 
Unfortunately some of your information is incorrect in that my Uncle Johns father was called Samuel(not sure if you amend the records) his wife was indeed called Charity (second name was Jessima) and I have already visited Uncle John's grave on many occasions when I was living near to the cemetery where he is buried.  My main point in my search here is for relatives of John H Nock through his marriage to his wife Kathleen, who may well now have passed on.  I am sure they had at least one child during their short marriage. 
 
I am interested to know how to trace my cousin and learn anything about Kathleens family.  Once again Many thanks for your information.
Simon

Hi John,

I got the information from the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. If you feel that there is wrong information on their records then you can contact them  through this link and ask them to amend it.

Good Luck.

http://www.cwgc.org/contact.asp?menuid=7 (http://www.cwgc.org/contact.asp?menuid=7)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Nocky on November 14, 2011, 03:44:38 PM
Once again many thanks Bob.  I'll try and contact them to get it changed.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Dancer on January 08, 2012, 10:34:52 PM
Bobdenn,  Is there any way to find the name of the Ship/s that my Uncle served on during WW2, it is very difficult to find details of the Navy.  He died in 1970.  The RN don't seem to give any information.  Thanks  Dancer
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on January 08, 2012, 10:51:37 PM
Bobdenn,  Is there any way to find the name of the Ship/s that my Uncle served on during WW2, it is very difficult to find details of the Navy.  He died in 1970.  The RN don't seem to give any information.  Thanks  Dancer

Dancer,

You would need a service number. With that you can request his service record and Medal card.

Are you certain he served in the Royal Nay? He may have served in the Merchant Navy.

BD

PS,

Once you have his Service No. check here:- http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKRNPersonnel.html (http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKRNPersonnel.html)

For Merchant Navy check here:- http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKMerchantNavyIndex.html

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Dancer on January 08, 2012, 11:12:40 PM

Dancer,

You would need a service number. With that you can request his service record and Medal card.

Are you certain he served in the Royal Nay? He may have served in the Merchant Navy.

BD

PS,

Once you have his Service No. check here:- http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKRNPersonnel.html (http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKRNPersonnel.html)

For Merchant Navy check here:- http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKMerchantNavyIndex.html (http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKMerchantNavyIndex.html)
[/quote
 
Thank you bobdenn, he was in the Royal Navy durining WW2 and then in the Merchant Navy after the war, I think he was on the Headline ships  Thank you for the information very grateful,  regards  Dancer
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: calamity on January 17, 2012, 04:55:59 PM
Can someone help me please.. I was told my Irish grandfather was when young in the Enniskillen Militia but I cant find out much about it..
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: bobdenn on January 17, 2012, 07:15:11 PM
Can someone help me please.. I was told my Irish grandfather was when young in the Enniskillen Militia but I cant find out much about it..

Calamity,

You need to give as much info as possible.

Names, address, ages, dates of birth and death, who married to etc.

That way you might find out the Militia connection.

 ;)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on April 02, 2012, 10:08:35 PM
 
Hi bobdenn, I'm hoping you will be able to help.
I have found these men buried in Our Lady's Acre Longlands Road, Newtownabbey.
Can you tell me anything more about them?

m.

     Name (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=name&order=desc) 
Rank (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=rank&order=asc) 
Service Number (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=servicenumber&order=asc)
Date of Death (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=dateofdeath&order=asc)
Age (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=age&order=asc)

Regiment / Service (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=regiment&order=asc)
Service Country (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=servedwith&order=asc)
Grave /
 Memorial Reference (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=gravereference&order=asc)
 
Cemetery / Memorial Name (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=cemeterymemorial&order=asc)

    ADAMS, MICHAEL (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931395/ADAMS,%20MICHAEL)
 Fusilier
 7046545
 04/11/1947
 25
 Royal Scots Fusiliers
 United Kingdom
 Sec. F. Row 3. Grave 15.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

 MURRAY, GERALD (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931398/MURRAY,%20GERALD)
 Guardsman
 2719641
 17/09/1940
 Irish Guards
 United Kingdom
 Sec. A. Row 6. Grave 13.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

McEVOY, PATRICK ANDREW (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931396/McEVOY,%20PATRICK%20ANDREW)
 Petty Officer
 D/229316
 05/07/1947
 61
 Royal Navy
 United Kingdom
 Sec. F. Row 3. Grave 16.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

 McILROY, PATRICK JOSEPH (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931397/McILROY,%20PATRICK%20JOSEPH)
 Aircraftman 2nd Class
 1798886
 04/11/1943
 21
 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
 United Kingdom
 Sec. B. Row 3. Grave 12.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

 WALSH, EDWARD (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931399/WALSH,%20EDWARD)
  Fusilier
 7045754
 11/02/1942
 Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
 United Kingdom
 Sec. H. Row 2. Grave. 5.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY
 
 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Sandgroper on April 03, 2012, 04:49:11 AM
m
I think bobdenn has been expelled
 
Sg
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on April 07, 2012, 01:19:28 AM


I have found these men buried in Our Lady's Acre Longlands Road, Newtownabbey.
Can you tell me anything more about these brave men?

m.

     Name (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=name&order=desc) 
Rank (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=rank&order=asc) 
Service Number (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=servicenumber&order=asc)
Date of Death (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=dateofdeath&order=asc)
Age (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=age&order=asc)

Regiment / Service (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=regiment&order=asc)
Service Country (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=servedwith&order=asc)
Grave /
 Memorial Reference (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=gravereference&order=asc)
 
Cemetery / Memorial Name (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=cemeterymemorial&order=asc)

    ADAMS, MICHAEL (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931395/ADAMS,%20MICHAEL)
 Fusilier
 7046545
 04/11/1947
 25
 Royal Scots Fusiliers
 United Kingdom
 Sec. F. Row 3. Grave 15.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

 MURRAY, GERALD (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931398/MURRAY,%20GERALD)
 Guardsman
 2719641
 17/09/1940
 Irish Guards
 United Kingdom
 Sec. A. Row 6. Grave 13.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

McEVOY, PATRICK ANDREW (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931396/McEVOY,%20PATRICK%20ANDREW)
 Petty Officer
 D/229316
 05/07/1947
 61
 Royal Navy
 United Kingdom
 Sec. F. Row 3. Grave 16.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

 McILROY, PATRICK JOSEPH (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931397/McILROY,%20PATRICK%20JOSEPH)
 Aircraftman 2nd Class
 1798886
 04/11/1943
 21
 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
 United Kingdom
 Sec. B. Row 3. Grave 12.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

 WALSH, EDWARD (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931399/WALSH,%20EDWARD)
  Fusilier
 7045754
 11/02/1942
 Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
 United Kingdom
 Sec. H. Row 2. Grave. 5.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on May 04, 2012, 01:25:25 AM
m
I think bobdenn has been expelled
 
Sg

Has anyone got a contact for bobdenn?

m.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Tischris on May 07, 2012, 03:04:53 AM
https://sites.google.com/site/ourheroesinmemoriam/introduction/for-king-and-country (https://sites.google.com/site/ourheroesinmemoriam/introduction/for-king-and-country)
 
Another plug for this site. This is a great site for finding info. on casualties & wounded from Northern Ireland & also on serving Ex-Pats. The site up-dates regularly.
Well done to Walter & his fellow researchers on the Great War Forum for campaigning to CWGC & MOD in getting Commonwealth War Grave status accepted for injured military personnel who died at home - almost 100 yrs later!  O0
 
 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on May 07, 2012, 09:54:57 AM
Has anyone got a contact for bobdenn?

m.

You could try Lilyrose...
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on May 07, 2012, 12:10:28 PM
Thanks CMcG.

m.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: m. on May 07, 2012, 12:12:41 PM

Any help finding out about these brave men most welcome.

m.

     Name (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=name&order=desc) 
Rank (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=rank&order=asc) 
Service Number (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=servicenumber&order=asc)
Date of Death (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=dateofdeath&order=asc)
Age (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=age&order=asc)

Regiment / Service (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=regiment&order=asc)
Service Country (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=servedwith&order=asc)
Grave /
 Memorial Reference (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=gravereference&order=asc)
 
Cemetery / Memorial Name (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=cemeterymemorial&order=asc)

    ADAMS, MICHAEL (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931395/ADAMS,%20MICHAEL)
 Fusilier
 7046545
 04/11/1947
 25
 Royal Scots Fusiliers
 United Kingdom
 Sec. F. Row 3. Grave 15.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

 MURRAY, GERALD (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931398/MURRAY,%20GERALD)
 Guardsman
 2719641
 17/09/1940
 Irish Guards
 United Kingdom
 Sec. A. Row 6. Grave 13.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

McEVOY, PATRICK ANDREW (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931396/McEVOY,%20PATRICK%20ANDREW)
 Petty Officer
 D/229316
 05/07/1947
 61
 Royal Navy
 United Kingdom
 Sec. F. Row 3. Grave 16.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

 McILROY, PATRICK JOSEPH (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931397/McILROY,%20PATRICK%20JOSEPH)
 Aircraftman 2nd Class
 1798886
 04/11/1943
 21
 Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
 United Kingdom
 Sec. B. Row 3. Grave 12.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY

 WALSH, EDWARD (http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/2931399/WALSH,%20EDWARD)
  Fusilier
 7045754
 11/02/1942
 Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
 United Kingdom
 Sec. H. Row 2. Grave. 5.
 WHITEHOUSE (OUR LADY'S ACRE) ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2 A R P History
Post by: brubaker on June 20, 2012, 08:05:10 PM
 Hello would like some help I came across a print of Donegal which was presented to a Mr and Mrs Balmer on the back of the picture is a letter dated 1945 thanking the Balmers for the use of their home for the Wardens of Post 44 signed by 10 of the wardens.Anyone have any idea how I could find out anything about the Post 44 or any of the men that were there already scoured google but can find nothing and I do use google a lot any help appreciated.William
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Ken Austin on August 12, 2012, 09:11:11 AM
Thought I would add my twopennuth! We have just updated our Wargraves information on lurganancestry.com for those who died from the Lurgan area in both wars. You can find full details here: http://www.lurganancestry.com/gravestones.htm (http://www.lurganancestry.com/gravestones.htm)
Best Wishes ~ Ken
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: RTB on August 12, 2012, 11:45:02 AM
Hi Belfast
 
I have just found details plus a photo of my Great Uncle Robert Bailey N0.5376 of St. Kilda St. on this website, never seen this particular photo before.  Has anyone any idea where these passport type photos come from?
 
https://sites.google.com/site/ourheroesinmemoriam/introduction/for-king-and-country (https://sites.google.com/site/ourheroesinmemoriam/introduction/for-king-and-country)
Regards
 
Richard
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: sam barry on September 11, 2012, 07:26:28 PM
Trying to find out any information on John Todd and Hugh Todd, I believe they both served with the 13th Royal Irish Rifles in the 1st WW.
Any help would be appreciated.
 
Sam.
 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: maura on September 12, 2012, 04:46:36 PM
Trying to find out any information on John Todd and Hugh Todd, I believe they both served with the 13th Royal Irish Rifles in the 1st WW.
Any help would be appreciated.
 
Sam.

 
When where they born and where?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: sam barry on September 12, 2012, 08:11:09 PM
John Todd was born 19th January 1894
Hugh Todd was born 1896.
They also had a younger brother who I believe also served with them his name was Joseph Todd, born 1898.
They were from Comber.
I'm interested because John Todd was a Great Uncle of mine he married a Christina Barry(my Great Aunt)
All 3 are mentioned in the Roll of Honour of 1st Comber Presbyterian Church.
It states that John was wounded, and Hugh was a Prisoner of War.
 
Sam.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: maura on September 13, 2012, 02:41:13 PM
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 [/color] [/color] (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1219&enc=1)
about Hugh Todd
 
Name:[/b]
Hugh Todd
Estimated Birth Year:[/b]
abt 1895
Age at enlistment:[/b]
19
Birth Parish:[/b]
Comber
Birth County:[/b]
Down
Document Year:[/b]
1914
Regimental Number:[/b]
18836
Regiment Name:[/b]
Royal Irish Rifles
Number of images:[/b]
22
  British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 [/color] [/color] (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1219&enc=1)
about John Todd
 
Name:[/b]
John Todd
Estimated Birth Year:[/b]
abt 1894
Age at enlistment:[/b]
20
Birth Parish:[/b]
Comber
Birth County:[/b]
Down
Document Year:[/b]
1914
Regimental Number:[/b]
18837
Regiment Name:[/b]
Royal Irish Rifles
Number of images:[/b]
39
 
  British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 [/color] [/color] (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1219&enc=1)
about Joseph Todd
 
Name:[/b]
Joseph Todd
Estimated Birth Year:[/b]
abt 1896
Age at enlistment:[/b]
19
Residence:[/b]
Belfast Road, Comber Co Down
Document Year:[/b]
1915
Regimental Number:[/b]
488
Regiment Name:[/b]
RI Rifles
Number of images:[/b]
29
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: sam barry on September 13, 2012, 07:49:51 PM
Many Thanks for all the information.
 
Sam.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Dommo on September 13, 2012, 07:55:55 PM
Sorry Mary I wouldn't have a clue as I've been in California 48 years.
I am in San Diego, where are you?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Oldwarhorse on September 18, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
Would anyone know if the medical records for the former U.V.F. Hospital, Craigavon,  still exist and where they may be found? Looking for information on an army pensioner who died there in 1926.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Tischris on September 19, 2012, 12:03:05 AM
Welcome to the forum Oldwarhorse.
Sorry I'm not sure if they still exist, hopefully someone will come along and enlighten you.
I'm not sure if you're aware that the address was Craigavon "House" in Belfast? Craigavon House, Circular Road, Belfast, Co. Antrim, BT4 2NA
My grandfather also died there and as you've pointed out, the address which was written on his death cert. was U.V.F. Hospital, Craigavon. This can be misinterpreted now as the town of Craigavon in County Armagh which didn't exist back then and confusing for genealogists who don't know Northern Ireland.
If you give his name, someone may be able to find him for you. The Belfast burial certificates hold a lot of information too, including cause of death.
Good luck in your search, Chris
 
 
Would anyone know if the medical records for the former U.V.F. Hospital, Craigavon,  still exist and where they may be found? Looking for information on an army pensioner who died there in 1926.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Ken Austin on September 19, 2012, 08:45:52 AM
Hi Mary
We have a number of WW1 and WW2 records for the Lurgan area which you are welcome to have for your website, although you may already have them.
Here's the link: http://www.lurganancestry.com/gravestones.htm (http://www.lurganancestry.com/gravestones.htm)
Thanks for all your kindness.
K;)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Oldwarhorse on September 19, 2012, 09:43:20 AM
Hi Chris,

Many thanks for your reply. 
I've never heard of the Belfast Burial certificates - where are these held and are they accessible? 
Oldwarhorse  :)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Tischris on September 19, 2012, 10:12:29 AM
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=45497.0 (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=45497.0)
Hi, You're welcome. You will find all the information on the link above. You can order certificates for burials pre 1935 through the council website here; http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialrecords/search.asp (http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialrecords/search.asp)
Chris
 
 
Hi Chris,

Many thanks for your reply. 
I've never heard of the Belfast Burial certificates - where are these held and are they accessible? 
Oldwarhorse  :)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Oldwarhorse on September 19, 2012, 03:13:21 PM
Hi Chris,

Many thanks for this.
Unfortunately he does not appear on the Council database - just checked with North Down Council, and there is no record of him there either.  The person that I'm looking for is Charles Irvine.  His death certificate states that his surname is spelt as Irvine, but I've checked all variants and still no luck. He must be buried somewhere in Belfast, as he is not in his native Enniskillen.
He was married to Mary Woods and they had 3 children, Charles, Thomas and John. The family lived in Dover Street, then Monlough. Not sure where they where between 1921 and when Charles died in 1926.
If anyone could throw light on this one, would be much appreciated!
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Ryker on December 27, 2012, 08:33:11 PM
Yes, I just did email you. Hope you received it.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: zazooooo on January 13, 2013, 01:47:30 PM
I still get the occasional email to the old Hotmail address but I'm deleting it shortly, please use [email protected]
 :)
 
Anyone who has an Ancestor or friend from Northern or Southern Ireland and who served in the first or second wars and would like to add their name to a database I'm creating on my site, please email me
[email protected]
I AM CLOSING THE HOTMAIL EMAIL ADDRESS please use this one [email protected]

sample:-
WW1  http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww1soldiers.database.htm (http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww1soldiers.database.htm)
WW2  http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww2soldiers.database.htm (http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ww2soldiers.database.htm)

I MODIFIED THE LINKS FOR THE WW1 AND WW2 DATABASE AND ONLY REALISED THE LINKS POSTED DIDN'T WORK WHEN SOMEONE EMAILED ME, I'VE CHANGED THEM IN THESE POSTS BUT IF ANYONE HAS POSTED THE LINKS ELSEWHERE COULD THEY PLEASE EITHER MODIFY THEM OR POST THE NEW LINKS. ...SORRY FOR THE BOTHER  Mary
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Jim Kane on January 14, 2013, 10:02:23 AM
lennonwylie is a great site Mary. I found my details about Great Uncle who was killed in action in 1918. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: marknir on February 11, 2013, 04:59:23 PM
Great Web site Mary. I sent you my fathers service details.

I think it is a shame that Irish born service men and women are so ofter overlooked because of the politics on this little Island.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: veridien on February 20, 2013, 02:47:24 PM
This is my first post in this section - I wanted to share some family photos and documents I have regarding my great uncle John McWilliams who was in the 10th Royal Irish Rifles.
John was born in Shankill – he was nick-named “Jack”.  As a teenager he was full of romantic ideas about battle.  At the outbreak of WW1 and despite being underage (16), John joined the navy –  his father had to buy him out and brought him home.  Several months later he ran off and joined the army (10th Royal Irish Rifles as Rifleman 15473).  He was killed in action on 1 July 1916 on the first day of the Somme – he was shot and lay in “No Man’s Land” where his body could not be retrieved and was never found.  He is commemorated at the Thiepval Memorial in France. 
 
This is John:-
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8097/8491352229_72e400c4d2.jpg)
 
In 1916, John wrote a letter to his parents while bunking with some other Belfast boys in a barn near the Front.  By chance he meets his cousin Fred Scarborough and they end up writing the letter together:-
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8390/8491402761_93bc11f740_o.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8099/8492503192_f03007d9b9_o.jpg)
 
After John is KIA, the Red Cross writes to his father and relates some of the circumstances of his death and the battle:-
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8095/8492502940_5e1f44d0d2_o.jpg)
 
These are RIR chaps - I have no names other than one of them is possibly John's cousin Fred Scarborough.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8226/8491402313_5c4d720f19_o.jpg)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: [email protected] on February 25, 2013, 07:21:44 PM
Hi Mary
HOW DID YOUR MOVE GO?
MAY
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: magicmermaid on March 06, 2013, 11:43:35 PM
Marcus Sullivan Moore was born in belfast (Holywood) and immigrated to New York in 1895 with parents Marcus sullivan Snr and Elizabeth stewart. His father was put into prison in 1904 and Elizabeth and her 4 children moved to Los angeles in 1910. Sadly Marcus S Moore Snr died in 1911 of TB..Marcus Jnr grew up and joined the army aged 23 in 1917...His registration card is listed and I have a copy. he survived world war 1 and died in 1967 aged 74 He was laid to rest in Los Angeles National Cemetery..California.. he is an ancestor that i am deeply proud of. His parents, he and his siblings hadn't had an easy time when they left Belfast shores all those many years ago for a better life in America. My research into the family was history was one of deep sadness :( ...
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: magicmermaid on March 06, 2013, 11:46:25 PM
Marcus Sullivan Moore was born in belfast (Holywood) and immigrated to New York in 1895 with parents Marcus sullivan Snr and Elizabeth stewart. His father was put into prison in 1904 and Elizabeth and her 4 children moved to Los angeles in 1910. Sadly Marcus S Moore Snr died in 1911 of TB..Marcus Jnr grew up and joined the army aged 23 in 1917...His registration card is listed and I have a copy. he survived world war 1 and died in 1967 aged 74 He was laid to rest in Los Angeles National Cemetery..California.. he is an ancestor that i am deeply proud of. His parents, he and his siblings hadn't had an easy time when they left Belfast shores all those many years ago for a better life in America. My research into the family was history was one of deep sadness :( ...
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: waterwillow on May 01, 2013, 10:12:21 PM
Hi Mary, before I start thanks for all the hard work you have put in over the years it is well appreciated by hundreds if not thousands on the hunt for ancesters etc. cheers
Basil Fawlty would say "don't mention the war" but in reality it effected people from all sides dramatically.  What I have here is a note I found in my Grandfathers wallet after his death and wondered just what the set up was for prisoners of war held here.
I doubt if it is WW1 as he was in the Canadian Expeditionary Force but hre had returned to Belfast by 1924.

I have tried to upload the image here but can't see it, how do I uplad a picture, anyone.  What I want to upload is mostly in German thats why I would be happier posting it.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: waterwillow on May 02, 2013, 08:17:04 AM
Ok folks give up on the upload thing, this is a transcript.  I believe that the verse is from Faust but not sure.  Just how many POWs were held in N.I.?   Were they soldiers or Germans living here who were interned because they were a threat to nationional security.
 Transcription of text in documentAlles Vergangliche ist nur ein Gleichnis
Das Unzulangliche, heir wird's Ereignis
Das Unbeschreibliche, heir wird's getan
Das ewig Weibliche zieht uns hinan

May you always remember of those Germans,
who worked in the sergeants' Mess.

Paul Stitch
      Volmorstein/Ruhr. Westfalen

Max Drodowsky
  Heimsheim, Kr Leonberg, Pforzheimer-str 117

Alfred Krautschik
           Dresden N. 23

We thank you very heartly for all you have done for us.  At home we shall often tell of this happy time we spent in Ireland.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Jim Kane on May 02, 2013, 09:50:34 AM
I was talking to my Mum about the American cemetery at Lisnabreeny (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6115.msg112213.html#msg112213) (Top of the Rocky Road, Cregagh) at the weekend posted  http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6115.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6115.0.html)
I mentioned The Camp which was opposite the cemetery which I remember as a small child. In it's latter days it housed homeless families after the war. It must have been in existance into the 1950s. The Camp had 2 previous functions, originally to accomodate American troops but my Mum told me that there was a period when German POWs were held there. I doubt very much that this could have been high security. Thought this might be of interest.
If I come up with any more info I will post it. The post above has a link to a photo taken in the cemetery for those interested. It features a few local girls including my Mum aged around 10 I would think along with 2 US soldiers who are named. When I work out how to post photos I will add more from that area.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: waterwillow on May 02, 2013, 12:01:52 PM
Thanks for that Jim, I have a feeling that as he would have been in his early 50's by then he may have been part of a reserve or home guard.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Alma durkin on September 01, 2013, 03:07:38 PM
Hi Mary,

I have emailed you but think I will post also for general information.

 This is re. Herbert Vance, RAF,  who died on October 20, 1944 when his plane crashed in Yorkshire England. His sister, Maud Agnew(née Vance) is a friend of mine living here near Toronto, Canada where she immigrated to in 1955 and she has asked for my help in finding Rich Allenby, Brian Macabee, and Coreen who posted in 2007 on this site. She thinks they are searching for her brother's relatives and is anxious to contact them. If anyone has any info at all, please post and I will get back to you. Maud is in her eighties, so time is short.

Thankyou for your help.

Alma
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: valkerr on September 03, 2013, 04:38:21 AM
Hi Mary,

I have emailed you but think I will post also for general information.

 This is re. Herbert Vance, RAF,  who died on October 20, 1944 when his plane crashed in Yorkshire England. His sister, Maud Agnew(née Vance) is a friend of mine living here near Toronto, Canada where she immigrated to in 1955 and she has asked for my help in finding Rich Allenby, Brian Macabee, and Coreen who posted in 2007 on this site. She thinks they are searching for her brother's relatives and is anxious to contact them. If anyone has any info at all, please post and I will get back to you. Maud is in her eighties, so time is short.

Thankyou for your help.

Alma

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1924.0 (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1924.0)
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Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loneygrandchild on September 26, 2013, 02:11:51 AM
Hi, I have found this writing on what I believe is a medals card/book.
Anyone know what victory it is referring to?

                    Roll           Page
Victory      B/103 B8        81
Brtitsh       -do-             -do-
LGC
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: merseyperson on September 27, 2013, 09:48:33 AM
Hi, I have found this writing on what I believe is a medals card/book.
Anyone know what victory it is referring to?

                    Roll           Page
Victory      B/103 B8        81
Brtitsh       -do-             -do-
LGC

Yes I do, it's referring to the British victory over Germany in WW1.

The word Victory on your record is referring to the Victory Medal which was awarded for military and civilian personnel who served in a theater of war.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Medal_(United_Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Medal_(United_Kingdom))

The word British on your record is referring to the British War Medal  which was created post WW1 and was awarded for service abroad (including India) during the time period from 5th August 1914 to 11th November 1918, or 1919-1920 in Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_War_Medal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_War_Medal)

The record that you have is indeed a WW1 era Medal Roll Index Card which was created post WW1 and which lists the person's entitlement to WW1 era campaign medals, and the LGC reference is almost certainly indicates that he was also awarded a Long Sevice and Good Conduct Medal, for which at that time the qualifying period was 18 years service.

I will post this now before this message gets trashed and I lose it all as per usual, I'll carry on in another message below.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: merseyperson on September 27, 2013, 01:50:11 PM
Hi, I have found this writing on what I believe is a medals card/book.
Anyone know what victory it is referring to?

                    Roll           Page
Victory      B/103 B8        81
Brtitsh       -do-             -do-
LGC
Forgot the info link about the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Service_and_Good_Conduct_Medal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Service_and_Good_Conduct_Medal)

What you have is indeed a WW1 era Medal Roll Index Card, the original is at the U.K. National Archives at Kew in London and it is obtainable on here if you have his name.

That will also list his service number and his regiment and sometimes also his battalion.

He doesn't have either the 1914 or 1914-1915 Star medal so that means that he didn't serve in a war zone before 1st January 1916.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1914_Star (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1914_Star)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1914 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1914)–15_Star

The "do" means ditto, in this case = as stated above.

B/103 B8 is the original file reference number for the Medal Roll on which he is listed, that is also now held at Kew and a photo copy can be purchased from there, and it may contain some additional information in comparison with the medal card.

The full Kew file ref for the file in which this particular medal roll is kept is WO 329/1684, WO = War Office W329 is the main file ref for all of the medal Rolls from that era for various units, 1684 is one of several file sub ref numbers for the sub files in which his regiments medal Rolls are kept, B/103 B8 is the sub sub ref number for one of the Medal Rolls held in sub file 1684.

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C4436902 (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C4436902)

B/103 B8 and the associated sub files refer to members of the The Royal Irish Fusiliers (Princess Victoria's) which is the title that was awarded to the regiment in 1920 prior to that it was called the Royal Irish Fusiliers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Irish_Fusiliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Irish_Fusiliers)

BTW he may may have been an NCO originally posted to training duties pre 1916 he may have been serving in another regiment before the end of WW1, soldiers were posted to other units to make up for man power shortages and they could serve in several different units, the Medal Card almost certainly refers to the unit he was serving in at the time he was awarded the two WW1 campaign medals.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: misha231 on June 19, 2014, 08:24:28 PM
Dear Mary and listers,

I am looking to find military records for my Great Grandfather David William Boomer b. 1885 in Belfast ?  I have a picture of him in his WW1 uniform but I don't know where to look to find his military details. Would anyone have any ideas where I might find his enlistment details?

Thanks in advance
Michelle
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: DMW on June 20, 2014, 04:14:58 AM
misha231 - 1st of all Welcome to Belfast Forum.  I was recently looking for my dad's WW1 records but could not find anything, then a man in Antrim an author of WW1
books suggested I check - The Public Records Office - Kew London.  I haven't checked there myself yet, but it might be worth a try. 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: misha231 on June 20, 2014, 08:26:05 AM
misha231 - 1st of all Welcome to Belfast Forum.  I was recently looking for my dad's WW1 records but could not find anything, then a man in Antrim an author of WW1
books suggested I check - The Public Records Office - Kew London.  I haven't checked there myself yet, but it might be worth a try.

Hi Thanks for the welcome ! I have found my grandfathers records for his enlistment in 1926 but nothing for his father for WW1. I'll keep looking as I know he defiantly was in the army.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: june a bell on July 22, 2014, 10:25:50 PM
My father was in the 1st world war  and my uncle was killed at the somme do you know how I can find their records
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: valkerr on July 23, 2014, 04:52:02 AM
My father was in the 1st world war  and my uncle was killed at the somme do you know how I can find their records
You should be able to find your uncle here:
http://www.cwgc.org/
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: DavyNavy on August 18, 2014, 03:56:45 PM
Hi, I am new to the site and forgive me for not reading the 26 pages of posts about 15th R.IR.
I have been researching my grandfather George McClenaghan, lately of Newtownards Road, but of a family from Edenderry Street, Shankill (1911 census). I have all his details, and that of his brother Thomas - Private 22878, 9th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, who was killed in action 1st July 1916 (Somme). George - Private 14-2745 served with 15th Royal Irish Rifles -  and died 1965 aged 73 years, living at Frazer Street. I have tried to see if his other brothers served - that is Joseph (born about 1898 or 99 so may have been too young to enlist), Samuel (born about 1884) and finally James (born about 1882). They had older sisters, Mary who married William Graham - at Snugville Street in 1911 and Maggie who married Rab Bell of Raleigh Street. Great aunt Maggie (I remember her well) died in 1974 aged 83 when I was serving in the Royal Navy. The rest of the family from the Shankill are a mystery to me - can anyone help ?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: june a bell on August 25, 2014, 09:58:37 PM
I have already been to my uncle's grave in France I would just like to have his and my father's war records
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loneygrandchild on August 25, 2014, 11:28:42 PM
ancestry.co.uk free until midnight
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: John Harvest on October 30, 2014, 04:45:16 AM
I have already been to my uncle's grave in France I would just like to have his and my father's war records

Re posts 385 and 388  Just post their names, numbers if you have them, units if you have them, and any bio information, ages/birth dates/ where born, next of kin/pre war occupations/pre war addresses, whatever you have, and the readers may be able to take it from there, and btw, if their medals are still in the family possession, they will have their details inscribed on them, was your dad discharged because of illness or wounds ?, if he was there will be records relating to that as well.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: debiil on November 11, 2014, 11:30:12 PM
Hi all, I have not posted in a long time, and the last time I posted was about my Granda, Robert Grubb who worked in Mackies - he worked in the  tinsmiths from 1951 to 1955, anyway I was at the annual service of Remembrance in St Matthews church on the woodvale road, and in the church the pulpit is dedicated to the 800 men from the parish who died in WW1, is there anyway I could find out the same information for those who died in WW2, every year the names of the people are read out and if the minister knew the names of these brave souls she would read them out too anyway, anyone who could point me out in the right direction  or where to start, I would be grateful

deborah
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: John Harvest on November 12, 2014, 06:20:13 PM
Re post 391 above, here are three people with Woodvale connections, 2 military and one local female civilian.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/4007534/JESS,%20WILLIAM%20JOHN (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/4007534/JESS,%20WILLIAM%20JOHN)

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3163203/MALCOLMSON,%20EVELYN (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3163203/MALCOLMSON,%20EVELYN)

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2071802/OLIVER,%20GEORGE (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2071802/OLIVER,%20GEORGE)

The only way that I can think of for researching that project would be to visit the Belfast newspaper library in the central library and go through the WW2 death notices.
http://www.librariesni.org.uk/Libraries/Pages/Belfast-Central-Library.aspx (http://www.librariesni.org.uk/Libraries/Pages/Belfast-Central-Library.aspx)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: John Harvest on November 12, 2014, 06:58:15 PM
re posts 391 and 392 above. It just occurred to me, you could compile a list of the street names in the area and you could go to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission search page, and just search on WW2 and enter the name of each street in the additional information search box.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Mrs.C on November 20, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
Hi Mary:  I've been trying to send you information the WWII site - it just won't go through, so I'm giving you the info here:

JAMES  STEELE  McCORMICK  (1910 - 1944)

SPECIAL FORCES - 1 BN. KING'S REG.(LIVERPOOL) (77 IND. BRIGADE)
SARGEANT  1486896   

DECLARED MIA/PRESUMED DEAD MAY 19, 1944

RANGOON MEMORIAL MYANMAR  FACE 19
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Mrs.C on November 20, 2014, 08:44:33 PM
Sorry Mary, I should have mentioned that he was my father.

Carole
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loneygrandchild on November 22, 2014, 09:59:31 PM
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e12/pixplace1/name_zps55169bb3.png) (http://)

Hi, my great granda was in hospital here in 1894 (on his way home from India)
It is the name of either a troopship or a station.
Can anyone decipher image please?

LGC
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Dommo on November 22, 2014, 10:09:52 PM

this is a guess
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thayetmyo
Mobile-friendly - Thayet or Thayetmyo is a city in Thayet District of Magway Region in central Burma (Myanmar). It is a port on the right ..."
It was apjarently a mitary base and, as an Irrawaddy river port, a key way in and out of east India via Burma
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loneygrandchild on November 22, 2014, 11:21:56 PM
Thanks Dommo ::)
I tried so many letter combinations & couldn't get it right!!!

LGC
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Dommo on November 22, 2014, 11:23:49 PM
Thanks Dommo ::)
I tried so many letter combinations & couldn't get it right!!!

LGC
the uncrossed "t" was my clue. I don't always cross my t's so I tried that combo
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loneygrandchild on December 15, 2014, 11:19:53 PM
Hi, can anyone explain forfeiting of WW1 medals?
Does this mean forfeited by the soldier or forfeited by the army?

LGC
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: smcgirr on December 15, 2014, 11:55:13 PM
Hi, can anyone explain forfeiting of WW1 medals?
Does this mean forfeited by the soldier or forfeited by the army?

LGC

HI LGC
I would believe that the army rescinded the medal or the soldier lost the right to wear the decoration   Just like a fotball team forfeiting a game 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Dommo on December 16, 2014, 02:21:43 AM
Hi, can anyone explain forfeiting of WW1 medals?
Does this mean forfeited by the soldier or forfeited by the army?

LGC
i a only ever heard of forfeit by a person. If the organization takes  it back it is rescinded.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: John Harvest on December 16, 2014, 02:34:56 AM
reply 402 I a only ever heard of forfeit by a person. If the organization takes  it back it is rescinded.
The organisation rescinds the award, ( cancels it ), the recipient forfeits the award, ( loses the right to it ), the action and effect of the cancellation, ( rescinding ), is referred to as a forfeiture.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: John Harvest on December 16, 2014, 02:40:39 AM
reply 400 Hi, can anyone explain forfeiting of WW1 medals? Does this mean forfeited by the soldier or forfeited by the army? LGC
reply 401 HI LGC I would believe that the army rescinded the medal or the soldier lost the right to wear the decoration   Just like a football team forfeiting a game
Spot on, almost, if the medal was rescinded he, ( or she ), didn't just lose the right to wear it, he forfeited both right to possession of the medal, the right to wear the medal, and the entitlement to the award of the medal.

Medals were usually forfeited for some form of misconduct, in the same way an honorific title can also be forfeited, e.g. someone can have their knighthood revoked.

A medal could be forfeited for a military disciplinary offence, or for a military or civil criminal offence, either prior to issue or afterwards, in other words a person could forfeit either their entitlement to a medal or medals, or they could forfeit the actual medal or medals.

8 V.C.s have been forfeited, one of them was awarded to a guy from Derry and was forfeited when he stole a cow. !

At least in the case of V.C.s King George V was opposed to forfeiture and his view was that even if a recipient was later hanged for murder he should be allowed to wear his medal whilst he was being executed. !

If there is any documentary record of the forfeiture, that may contain a remark that includes the term K.R. thats Kings Regulations, and any additional reference numbers might indicate the entry in K.R.s that specifies the reason for forfeiture.

Medal forfeitures and restorations are dealt with in section XII subsection 2 paragraphs 1761 and 1762 of Kings Regulations. "Forfeiture and Restoration of War Medals"
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Dommo on December 16, 2014, 02:47:28 AM
reply400reply 401 Spot on, almost, if the medal was rescinded he, ( or she ), didn't just lose the right to wear it, he forfeited the medal and the entitlement to the medal entirely.

Usually for some form of misconduct, in the same way an honorific title can also be forfeited, e.g. someone can have their knighthood revoked.

A medal could be forfeited for a disciplinary or criminal offence either prior to issue or afterwards, in other words a person could forfeit either their entitlement to a medal or medals, or they could forfeit the actual medal or medals.

8 V.C.s have been forfeited, one of them was awarded to a guy from Derry and was forfeited when he stole a cow. !

At least in the case of V.C.s King George V was opposed to forfeiture and his view was that even if a recipient was later hanged for murder he should be allowed to wear his medal whilst he was being executed. !

If there is any documentary record of the forfeiture, that may contain a remark that includes the term K.R. thats Kings Regulations, and any additional reference numbers might indicate the entry in K.R.s that specifies the reason for forfeiture.

Medal forfeitures and restorations are dealt with in section XII subsection 2 paragraphs 1761 and 1762 of Kings Regulations. "Forfeiture and Restoration of War Medals"
yes I was thinking of Anthony Blunt
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: John Harvest on December 16, 2014, 02:59:30 AM
reply 405
yes I was thinking of Anthony Blunt
You know what that rhymes with, don't you. ? Were the two of you very close. ?  :)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Dommo on December 16, 2014, 04:06:49 AM
You know what that rhymes with, don't you. ? Were the two of you very close. ?  :)
he was kinda sexy, but ironically when I read his biography he first came to police attention when he dun domestic violence on his beau who was from Belfast!

This of course could justify, not only his homosexual penchants, but his compulsive promiscuity, a constant appetite for fresh flesh in the form of young Irish Guardsmen (Horse Guards were more expensive, we are told) recruited in seedy pubs or in public urinals by his procurers like John Gaskin (“Lady John”, as the tabloid press called him), a lover who willingly doubled up as his “cook and housekeeper – a traditional wife in all but name” as Carter puts it (except that traditional wives do not perhaps roam public conveniences to find cheap prostitutes for their husbands) [pp. 384-389]. Roles were in fact reversed after Gaskin’s attempted suicide in 1980: “When Gaskin came home [from hospital and convalescence]…Blunt became carer, cook, comforter” [p. 488].
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Claire Melvin on December 24, 2014, 02:54:03 PM
I have an unusual first world war story about my great granny's sister - a Belfast woman from Plevna Street. Her name was Annie Molloy and she's listed in the 1901 census. She was a seamstress, whose family were millies but she ended up marrying a Canadian oil millionaire whose business was in Galicia (currently in the Ukraine) but at that time in the Austro-Hungarian empire. When the first world war broke out - as she was irish and her husband Canadian (both with British passports) - they both suddenly became enemy aliens and were trapped on the front line as the Russian army advanced into Galicia. They ended up fleeing to Russia - only to get caught up in the Russian revolution. The whole story "To Hell or Vladivostok" is available on Kindle ebook.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Dommo on December 24, 2014, 03:04:56 PM
I have an unusual first world war story about my great granny's sister - a Belfast woman from Plevna Street. Her name was Annie Molloy and she's listed in the 1901 census. She was a seamstress, whose family were millies but she ended up marrying a Canadian oil millionaire whose business was in Galicia (currently in the Ukraine) but at that time in the Austro-Hungarian empire. When the first world war broke out - as she was irish and her husband Canadian (both with British passports) - they both suddenly became enemy aliens and were trapped on the front line as the Russian army advanced into Galicia. They ended up fleeing to Russia - only to get caught up in the Russian revolution. The whole story "To Hell or Vladivostok" is available on Kindle ebook.
that is a fascinating story!
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: John Harvest on December 24, 2014, 10:34:26 PM
I have an unusual first world war story about my great granny's sister - a Belfast woman from Plevna Street. Her name was Annie Molloy and she's listed in the 1901 census. She was a seamstress, whose family were millies but she ended up marrying a Canadian oil millionaire whose business was in Galicia (currently in the Ukraine) but at that time in the Austro-Hungarian empire. When the first world war broke out - as she was irish and her husband Canadian (both with British passports) - they both suddenly became enemy aliens and were trapped on the front line as the Russian army advanced into Galicia. They ended up fleeing to Russia - only to get caught up in the Russian revolution. The whole story "To Hell or Vladivostok" is available on Kindle ebook.
Run,...flee from the Belfast forum while you still have a chance. It does sound fascinating, and it is available, via Amazon... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hell-Vladivostok-Claire-Melvin-ebook/dp/B00RBSFVF8/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1419460306&sr=1-1&keywords=to+hell+or+vladivostok (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hell-Vladivostok-Claire-Melvin-ebook/dp/B00RBSFVF8/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1419460306&sr=1-1&keywords=to+hell+or+vladivostok)

Product Description
 Maybe it wasn’t the sort of tale you’d tell in Belfast? That was the only thing that made any sense, when I asked my granny who the woman in the painting in her Glasgow kitchen was - the woman with the red hair – and the shirt and tie.

“Aunt Annie…….. she lived in Russia – and her man’s people were in oil.“ That was all my granny would say at first.

But how did that happen to a Belfast seamstress whose people worked in the mills?

Based on a true story….To Hell or Vladivostok is the tale of a woman who gave up everything for love but found out, even with a fairy tale romance, in real life stories don’t just end with happy ever after at the altar.
Certainly not when your real life leads you to the Eastern Front and finds you and ‘yer man’ the enemy, now battling to escape Soviet Russia in 1917 and keep together.

Author Claire Melvin studied history at the School of Slavonic And East European Studies but it was only after taking up genealogy she uncovered this story - the story of Annie Molloy her great grandmother's sister. The story of a seamstress from the Falls Road area of Belfast who fell in love, then found herself first mixing with the Polish aristocracy, fleeing the Russian army and then desperate to escape the Bolshevik
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: sas2347 on January 03, 2015, 10:12:57 AM
Mary your WW1site.  seen a William Sandford on it. it was sent to you by a relative of William.    William is related to me as he married my great aunt.   can you contact Cathy and give her my email    [email protected]      john
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Dolly rocks on April 01, 2015, 10:19:29 AM
Ji there i am sharon murdock nee kingsmore, i had 2 great uncles killed in ww1
Patrick kingsmore dow in france & flanders. 1916
Henry j kingsmore kia in salonika 1917
Can give you more info if required
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: macroyal on April 07, 2015, 01:26:56 AM
any way of finding out about Belfast corporation transport ex servicemen s association, as they were taken over by ulster bus in the mid 70s , no new members were coming in, and it must have less and less members and is probably gone now ,think it was in waring street, any way of finding members names, and which branch of the service's were they in, some Belfast forum members families are trying to trace anything about them  on the  forum
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: alick on July 21, 2015, 04:23:07 PM
Kathleen2, can you please contact me. I am ex Royal Scots and I am from Newtownards. My Association would like to put a Cross and a poppy on his grave in Movilla Cemetery

Jim
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: fionabyrne on August 27, 2015, 05:41:15 PM
Family histories of the First World War - stories & objects
•Have you family stories to share about life during the First World War?
•Where were they working during the war? In a munitions factory, a linen mill, or the shipyards?
•During war time were any family members involved in Unionist or Nationalist politics/events eg. The Easter Rising?
•Was your family member a suffragette or a conscientious objector?

If so we invite you to attend our roadshow day Thursday 24th September, Ulster Museum. We would like to collect your stories and digitize your objects.

Please contact Fiona Byrne [email protected] to book a free place. 

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/uploads/monthly_08_2015/post-122598-0-78670800-1440693343.jpg

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: fionabyrne on September 21, 2015, 04:29:18 PM
http://nmni.com/um/What-s-on/Events/Family-Histories-of-the-First-World-War--Stories (http://nmni.com/um/What-s-on/Events/Family-Histories-of-the-First-World-War--Stories)--
 
(https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11988510_10156064891445607_7032346907074480346_n.jpg?oh=00f5409367b6a32beffad82a0fbdf0d1&oe=56A73C9A)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Aurel Sercu on October 02, 2015, 04:59:02 PM
I guess there are not many users on this Forum from Ypres, Flanders, Belgium ?
Let me explain why I registered, in order to post a request.

I am a retired teacher, 70, with a passion (my wife : "Obsession !") for WW1 in the area where I live (a village near Ypres, Flemish name : Ieper). Since 2002 (!) I have been doing research on a soldier from Belfast. (Though with a break of 10 years, because my search became hopeless.)

Maybe I should explain why I have such a specific interest in that man, though he was "just a soldier". But that would be a long story I'm afraid ... But I have spent more time and energy so far on him than on my own grandad (who was in WW1 too, and fortunately survived).

Anyway, three months ago I met with a great-nephew of "my man" at last ! This was a very emotional moment, also because it was exactly 100 years (to the day) after my man had fallen, near Ypres, on the exact same spot (a little east of Ypres).

Years ago (2003-2004) I sent 50 (!) letters (letters ! not e-mails) to people I had found in your telephone directory with the name "Fitzsimmons", asking if they had a "Patrick Fitzsimmons" in their family. I did not  receive more than 5 (negative) responses. Frustration ! But in the end someone from England found me : Patrick Fitzsimmons' great-nephew, Mr. Kenneth Hanna.

This posting has the intention to find out if other people, from Belfast or elsewhere, have this Patrick Fitzsimmons in their family tree.

I know quite some things about him, his civilian life and his military life (but there are still many things that I do not know (yet)). But these are the basic data :

Patrick Fitzsimmons (sometimes written with a single -m-)
Born in Ballymacarret(t), 17, Terence Street, 4 Oct. 1883

Parents : Bernard Fitzsimmons (born est. 1852) & Mary Ann(e) Hart(e), (born est. 1854, England ; her first husband may have been Hugh Gilmore))

Brothers and sisters :
- James (born 1886, probably died young)
- Bernard (born 1888), married Mary Dunne in 1912
- Catherine (born 1892)
- Elizabeth (1896), married Patrick Hanna, in 1914. Their son : James Hanna (1918-1985)

Patrick Fitzsimmons married Bridget (Brigid ?) Keenan in 1905. (I am not sure I have found her parents.)
They had 2 children :
- daughter Alice, born 1906, about who nothing else I have found.
- son Bernard, born 1908, who probably died young (18-21 months)

Patrick Fitzsimmons enlisted in Ballykinlar, probably in the summer of 1910, in the 4th (Reserve) Battalion Royal Irish Rifles.
I have not found yet what he did in the period 1910-1914. He was not with his family in the Census 1911, and I cannot find him elsewhere.

He left the UK in November 1914, and came to Flanders, with the 2nd Bn. Royal Irish Rifles, south of Ypres.

He fell in the First Attack on Bellewaarde, on 16 June 1915.
His name is on the Menin Gate Memorial in Ypres.
I know where his grave is, as this is what my research is about.

My question is : are there members of this Belfast Forum who think that they may be related to this Patrick Fitzsimmons, or who think that they can bring me in touch with possible descendants or relatives, apart from Mr. Ken Hanna, who I have already met.

Should you think that this request is not in the right section of this Forum, where would you advise me to post it ? Genealogy ?
A special Topic ?

Thanks, and anticipating some positive replies.

Aurel Sercu
Boezinge - Ieper (Ypres)
Flanders
Belgium
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: DMW on October 02, 2015, 06:30:00 PM
Aurel Sercu   First of all- Welcome to Belfast Forum - It's questions/research like yours that keeps this thread going.  I don't know how much of this thread you have looked at. My dad served in the Somme in 1915/16, so I don't know much about Ypres, however if you go to the start you can see many "www."sites than many send you in the direction you are going.  Having spent so much time on your research , another 2 or more hours perusing this site, may not be a problem . Two messages making specific reference to Belfast can be found at P 16  # 231   and  P 17 #252. There are also many sites which might direct you to archives/museums that might help.    Good luck in your search.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Aurel Sercu on October 02, 2015, 06:59:51 PM
Thanks, DMW, for your prompt reply.

"Two or more hours ..." I am willing to spend 20 more hours, after having spent hundreds (yes, hundreds !) already !  :-)

I have already spent some time on this Forum this evening, and ... discovered a photo of ... Raphael Street, beginning of last century !!! It was almost ... "moving", for that is the street where Patrick Fitzsimmons' widow Bridget lived in the years after the war ! I could look at it for minutes and minutes ... And at the children with bare feet in winter !

When I got in touch with my soldier's greatnephew, it was quite emotional for me. (After all I had given up my research, after a very negative experience, but also because my quest became hopeless.) And who knows, maybe another relative will show up. But I can tell you that 10 years ago the lack of response from my Belfast Fitzsimmonses was very frustrating. (But a friend of mine, from Belfast, but living in Ypres, told me that he was not ... surprised. I hope Belfast people have ... changed.  :-)  )

Well, I do have more problems with my man. As I said : where he was 1910-1914 ? Sometimes I think he had ... left his wife and child(ren). And also : the Company he was in here in Flanders with the 2nd Bn. Royal Irish Rifles. (He had been in "G" Coy when enlisting in 1910 with the 4th Bn., but after the restructuring he must have been in A, B, C, D here.) Maybe I should contact R.U.R. Museum ...

By the way, is it possible that the link in #252 does not work ? (Page cannot be found.)

But I have already been to very interesting websites these past weeks. Like Lennon Wylie. So interesting !

Aurel
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: valkerr on October 02, 2015, 10:47:26 PM

His brother Bernard married in 1912:
Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage   3 May 1912
Groom Name   Bernard FITZSIMMONS
Bride Name   Mary  DUNNE
Church   Belfast Roman Catholic Church
Parish   Belfast Urban 12
Civil District   Belfast
County   Down

They had a son:
U/1913/59/1007/29/109   Thomas   Fitzsimmons   9th June 1913   Male   Dunne   Belfast(pre-1973 Q4)

I did a search for a marriage for Alice and the only one I could find was in 1937.
M/1937/B1/524/2/18   Alice   Fitzsimons   Burns   28th June 1937   Belfast
M/1937/B1/524/2/18   James   Burns   Fitzsimons   28th June 1937   Belfast

You're right about the link, it doesn't work. No idea what it was.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: DMW on October 03, 2015, 01:39:24 AM
Aurel Sercu  - I must admit, I did not look back at those connections - but you might try contacting the person who posted that - Boxer -1949 to see if he might repost that link , he is the one who has uploaded 100s of photos in - Belfast History & Memories as well as Black and White photos. Send him a Personal Message (PM). Go to the top of the page to find - My Messages -
By the way you said you are 70, I'm 72 born in Belfast but have been living Canada since 1965.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Aurel Sercu on October 03, 2015, 10:02:58 AM
DMW and Valkerr,

Thank you so much. I feel I am moving on. I had searched for a possible marriage of Alice Fitzsim(m)ons, but I must have overlooked that one, with that James Burns. Half an hour ago I was on the Census 1911. Many James Burnses in Alice's age category (almost 20 there are), but do you agree that I can exclude the non-RC's ? (Alice definitely were RC.) Was it "unthinkable" that a RC married a non-RC ? There was even one in Market Street, a street that I often find in my notes.

I also have a question re what Patrick Fitzsimmons was doing 1910-1914. As I said : no way to find him in the Census 1911. But I see there was a Patrick Fitzsimmons, Royal Irish Constabulary, also born in Ballymacarret(t). So I am wondering : who knows   ? But as I do not have an Ancestry subscription ...  (Maybe I should not even make that suggestion here ?   :-) )

And I will contact 'Boxer'.

By the way, DMW, saying that I am 70 in public was not easy for me. I think it was the very first time I did that. For friends and acquaintances I always say I am 69 bis. It makes "things" more bearable.   :-)

Aurel
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: DMW on October 03, 2015, 07:49:28 PM
Aurel Sercu -  I don't think you should exclude "non - RC's" unless you know for sure.  There are both RC's and non RC's in my family. There were/are still cross-religion marriages.
The age thing is just a number.   As for the Ancestry connection - Don't worry about it.  I think most people looking for earlier relatives/family friends do both.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: valkerr on October 04, 2015, 02:40:29 AM
The marriage record would give the name of the fathers, and maybe an address.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: macroyal on October 04, 2015, 03:01:27 AM
if you click on my name, then show posts, posts 651 - 659,  they show my dad in WW2, i think most of the men named around the picture in post 657 are from N.I., its taken from the book Commando Attack, my Mum say's he was in the 1st vehicle that found Bergen- Belsen concentration camp in 1945.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Aurel Sercu on October 05, 2015, 10:12:40 AM
DMW, Valkerr and Macroyal,

Thanks you for your replies. And for motivating me.
I am still around, every day on the Forum these past days. But I am still trying to find my way. And getting better all the time. :-)

Aurel
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Linda Woods on November 30, 2015, 03:15:53 AM
Hi My grandfather William J Woods was killed in WW1 and on memorial in Belfast I understand.  I am in England and would dearly love to see it. Here is the record: NAME; Woods, William[/color][/font]
RANK; 2nd Corporal
SERV. NO; 64336
UNIT/SERVICE; Railways - 43rd Broad Gauge Railway Operating Coy.
REGIMENT; Royal Engineers
BORN; Carrickfergus
LIVED; Aughnacloy – Co Tyrone
ENLISTED; Belfast
FATE; Died of Wounds, France, March 28th 1918 aged 30
CEMETERY;  ABBEVILLE COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSIONV (France) – I.J 27
CHURCH;
MEMORIAL;
REMARKS; Son of William J. and Margaret Woods, of Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim; husband of Meta Woods, of Mayfair, Cyprus Park, Bloomfield, Belfast (R.O.D????)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: valkerr on November 30, 2015, 10:23:04 PM
Hi My grandfather William J Woods was killed in WW1 and on memorial in Belfast I understand.  I am in England and would dearly love to see it. Here is the record: NAME; Woods, William[/color][/font]
RANK; 2nd Corporal
SERV. NO; 64336
UNIT/SERVICE; Railways - 43rd Broad Gauge Railway Operating Coy.
REGIMENT; Royal Engineers
BORN; Carrickfergus
LIVED; Aughnacloy – Co Tyrone
ENLISTED; Belfast
FATE; Died of Wounds, France, March 28th 1918 aged 30
CEMETERY; ABBEVILLE COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSIONV (France) – I.J 27[/size]
CHURCH;
MEMORIAL;
REMARKS; Son of William J. and Margaret Woods, of Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim; husband of Meta Woods, of Mayfair, Cyprus Park, Bloomfield, Belfast (R.O.D? ??? )

This is William Woods, son of William and Margaret of Carrickfergus but the death dates are different.

https://www.facebook.com/CarrickfergusRollOfHonour/photos/a.557265724326186.1073741828.557262674326491/790974147622008/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/CarrickfergusRollOfHonour/photos/a.557265724326186.1073741828.557262674326491/790974147622008/?type=1&theater)

http://carrickfergusrollofhonour.blogspot.com.au/p/v-z.html (http://carrickfergusrollofhonour.blogspot.com.au/p/v-z.html)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: valkerr on November 30, 2015, 10:47:39 PM
This is William Woods, son of William and Margaret of Carrickfergus but the death dates are different.

https://www.facebook.com/CarrickfergusRollOfHonour/photos/a.557265724326186.1073741828.557262674326491/790974147622008/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/CarrickfergusRollOfHonour/photos/a.557265724326186.1073741828.557262674326491/790974147622008/?type=1&theater)

http://carrickfergusrollofhonour.blogspot.com.au/p/v-z.html (http://carrickfergusrollofhonour.blogspot.com.au/p/v-z.html)

Sorry, I think they're different people.
It was William John Woods who married Meta. The other one is William James Woods.
Title: Re: WW1 William Mather or Mathers
Post by: harrydunn on January 18, 2016, 05:07:31 PM
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l258/harrydunn_2006/975ac83c71fea02d0569efa883d3b920.jpgmather.4.jpg) (http://)
looking help with Army Records or any other information on Walter Mather or Mather's, photo above taken 1920s listed on 1911 census aged 10 Father Thomas William Mather Born 1867 Belfast? any help much appreciated.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: sam barry on January 18, 2016, 07:35:17 PM
Might this be Walter's Marriage ?

Type    Civil Marriages
Date of Marriage   27/12/1920
Husband's Name   WALTER MATHERS
Husband's Address   2 GREENMOUNT ST
Husband's Occupation   RIVETER
Husband's Age   FA
Husband's Denomination   Methodist
Husband's Marital Status   Bachelor (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father's Name   THOMAS W MATHERS
Husband's Father's Occupation   PRINTER
Husband's Witness   JOHN HEANEY
Wife's Name   ELEANOR HARVEY
Wife's Address   45 MEADOW ST
Wife's Age   FA
Wife's Denomination   Methodist
Wife's Marital Status   Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Wife's Father's Name   WILLIAM HARVEY
Wife's Father's Occupation   CLERK
Wife's Witness   AMY HEANEY
Comment   BY LICENCE REV E J F ELLIOTT E [ELEANOR = NELLIE].
Address 1    JENNYMOUNT Methodist
Address 2    BELFAST
Address 3    SHANKILL
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: valkerr on January 18, 2016, 09:31:29 PM

Father and children all born in England.
Census Years1901AntrimDock WardAmbrose StreetResidents of a house
Residents of a house 7 in Ambrose Street (Dock Ward, Antrim)
Show all information
Surname   Forename   Age   Sex   Relation to head   Religion   Birthplace   Occupation   Literacy   Irish Language   Marital Status   Specified Illnesses
Mather   Frances   12   Female   Daughter   Church of Ireland   England   Scholar   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Mather   Thomas William   44   Male   Head of Family   Church of Ireland   England   News Printer   Read and write   -   Married   -
Mather   Albert   15   Male   Son   Church of Ireland   England   Catch Boy   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Mather   Walter   10   Male   Son   Church of Ireland   England   Scholar   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Mather   Sarah   38   Female   Wife   Church of Ireland   County Antrim

Kings Norton spans the boundaries of the counties of Staffordshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire;
Births Dec 1886
Mather    Albert        King's N.    6c   400
Births Dec 1888
MATHER    Frances    King's N    6c   407
Births Sep 1891
Mather    Walter        King's N.    6c   413
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: harrydunn on January 20, 2016, 05:02:32 PM
Might this be Walter's Marriage ?

Type    Civil Marriages
Date of Marriage   27/12/1920
Husband's Name   WALTER MATHERS
Husband's Address   2 GREENMOUNT ST
Husband's Occupation   RIVETER
Husband's Age   FA
Husband's Denomination   Methodist
Husband's Marital Status   Bachelor (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father's Name   THOMAS W MATHERS
Husband's Father's Occupation   PRINTER
Husband's Witness   JOHN HEANEY
Wife's Name   ELEANOR HARVEY
Wife's Address   45 MEADOW ST
Wife's Age   FA
Wife's Denomination   Methodist
Wife's Marital Status   Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Wife's Father's Name   WILLIAM HARVEY
Wife's Father's Occupation   CLERK
Wife's Witness   AMY HEANEY
Comment   BY LICENCE REV E J F ELLIOTT E [ELEANOR = NELLIE].
Address 1    JENNYMOUNT Methodist
Address 2    BELFAST
Address 3    SHANKILL

Definitely Walters Marriage Thank you for your help have to find what Regiment his uniform belongs to any idea how his service records could be obtained?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: harrydunn on January 20, 2016, 05:05:47 PM
Father and children all born in England.
Census Years1901AntrimDock WardAmbrose StreetResidents of a house
Residents of a house 7 in Ambrose Street (Dock Ward, Antrim)
Show all information
Surname   Forename   Age   Sex   Relation to head   Religion   Birthplace   Occupation   Literacy   Irish Language   Marital Status   Specified Illnesses
Mather   Frances   12   Female   Daughter   Church of Ireland   England   Scholar   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Mather   Thomas William   44   Male   Head of Family   Church of Ireland   England   News Printer   Read and write   -   Married   -
Mather   Albert   15   Male   Son   Church of Ireland   England   Catch Boy   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Mather   Walter   10   Male   Son   Church of Ireland   England   Scholar   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Mather   Sarah   38   Female   Wife   Church of Ireland   County Antrim

Kings Norton spans the boundaries of the counties of Staffordshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire;
Births Dec 1886
Mather    Albert        King's N.    6c   400
Births Dec 1888
MATHER    Frances    King's N    6c   407
Births Sep 1891
Mather    Walter        King's N.    6c   413

Thank you very much for your help much appreciated, any idea how I could obtain his Army records.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: sam barry on January 20, 2016, 06:33:01 PM
Have posted a query on Ancestry, for you, here's hoping we get a reply.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: harrydunn on January 21, 2016, 12:19:24 PM
Thank you very much Sam
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: sam barry on January 21, 2016, 02:34:29 PM
Have sent you a PM.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: manitoba on January 21, 2016, 05:27:57 PM
I wonder if anyone can help me identify what regiment my father was in. This photo is about 1925, I recall him talking about his army days but no idea what unit he was in.
Name Joseph Patterson, Born July 1903, Lived in Boyne SQ. Sandy row.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/259wjef.jpg)

When hsi father died my grandmother claimed him from the army as he was the only son ands he had five youngers (sisters) to support

Thanks for your help.
Manitoba
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: harrydunn on January 21, 2016, 10:15:49 PM
Have sent you a PM.
once again Sam thanks I will pass this information on to his Grandson tomorrow
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: sam barry on January 22, 2016, 06:22:59 PM
Manitoba. I have sent you a PM.
Your query was answered by a kind person from Ancestry.com., WW1, General forum.
Title: Re: WW1 William Mather or Mathers
Post by: Ulster Canadian on April 19, 2016, 11:55:31 AM
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l258/harrydunn_2006/975ac83c71fea02d0569efa883d3b920.jpgmather.4.jpg) (http://)
looking help with Army Records or any other information on Walter Mather or Mather's, photo above taken 1920s listed on 1911 census aged 10 Father Thomas William Mather Born 1867 Belfast? any help much appreciated.

the photo is probably from 1919/20

14th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles, 109th Brigade, 36th (Ulster) Division.

Surname: Mather
Forename: Walter
Rank: Private
Ser No. 14/18447
Regimant: Royal Irish Rifles
Battalion: 14th
Company: D
Platoon: ?
Denomination: Presbyterian
Next of kin: Mother
Status: Single
Address: 74 Upper Canning Street, Belfast

The 14th Royal Irish Rifles was dissolved in February 1918 and Rifleman Mather was moved to the 15th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles. He survived the war, being put on Class 'Z' Reserve  22/03/1919 Rifleman Walter Mather was entitled to the trio of medals 1914-15 Star, British War and Victory Medal.

as you can see in his studio portrait he has the shoulder titles of the Young Citizen Volunteers (YCV) and an arm flash of the 14th RIR which was a pal sky blue if you look close enough you will see the YCV buttons on his tunic, he has three wound chevrons on his right arm, and two brass wound stripes on his left arm..

By the way, cracking photo.
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Post by: Ulster Canadian on April 19, 2016, 12:56:07 PM
added some colour to the image, hope you don't mind.

(http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/47876/7cdf08478759918.jpg) (http://)

here's the link to the original size
http://www.imagebam.com/image/7cdf08478759918
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Post by: Ulster Canadian on April 19, 2016, 03:53:29 PM

This information is courtesy of a friend of mine Mr. Mark Scott.

Rifleman Walter Mather. 14/18447 Casualty Return.

Hospitalized on 08/06/1616 and rejoined battalion on 20/06/1916. 

Wounded in action on 1st July 1916 and evacuated through 110th Field Ambulance, 3rd July 1916. On 16th January 1917 he was posted to 109th Trench Mortar Battery and taken off strength of the YCV. 

He was wounded again while serving with the Trench Mortar Battery (TMB) on 27 April 1917 and rejoined the YCV after recovering on 11th June 1917.

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Post by: Ulster Canadian on April 20, 2016, 12:18:46 AM
I have Walter Mather's attestation papers, and medal cards downloaded, if you send me a PM with your email address I'll happily forward everything on. Here's an image from the Larne Weekly Times of when Rifleman Mather was wounded.

(http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/47885/0cf00f478844638.jpg) (http://)

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Post by: James James on April 20, 2016, 02:55:14 AM
Re post 442 i.e.the colour enhanced pic three posts above this post.

The original picture is indeed a great picture. The colour enhancement is excellent.

It was probably a typo, but the 3 chevrons on the cuff of his right sleeve aren't wound stripes, they're overseas service stripes. He qualified for the first stripe on the date that he first went overseas, 5th October 1915.

He then  earned an additional chevron for each subsequent full year of service overseas. He first arrived in France on 5th October 1915 so he would have qualified for his 3rd stripe on 5th October 1917 and for his  4th stripe, which he isn't wearing, on 5th October 1918

So the picture could only date from between 5th October 1917 and 4th October 1918.

However, those chevrons weren't authorised for wear until 20th December 1917 and they probably weren't first issued for wear until early 1918.

Therefore, the picture dates between 20th December 1917 and 4th October 1918.

In early February 1918 whilst serving in France/Belgium he was granted home leave to Belfast, he departed Belfast to return to his unit on about 18th February 1918 and he left England for France in March 1918 and he rejoined 15th Bn. Royal Irish Rifles in France/Belgium on 4th March 1918.

So my guess is that the picture was very likely taken during that February/March 1918 period of home leave.

Had he first gone overseas, or already have been serving overseas during WW1 on or before the end of December 1914, the first (lowest) chevron, would have been red. After that date it would have been blue, so his 3 chevrons were all blue, so perhaps you could tweak the colour enhancement accordingly.
(http://s31.postimg.org/o4o4p1kyj/overseas_service_chevrons.jpg)
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Post by: James James on April 20, 2016, 03:14:14 AM
Sorry, correction to my typo above, not Oversea Service Stripes, Overseas Service Chevrons I also forgot to mention that during his February 1918 home leave period he stayed with his mother at the address below, Alexandra Park or Park Gardens ?, the number looks like 2. ?
(http://s31.postimg.org/d9qlt0l0b/add.jpg)

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Post by: James James on April 20, 2016, 04:42:06 PM
Six British WW1 soldiers were reburied in Ypres in Belgium today 20th April 2016 http://tinyurl.com/z3gd2ho (http://tinyurl.com/z3gd2ho)

There isn't any known connection with Ulster in that event, but there might be.
The remains of the 6 men were found in Ypres in 2013, 2 of them have been identified via a DNA comparison with their present day family members, the other 4 men remain unidentified. Such discoveries are ongoing in France and Belgium, on average the remains of about 20 or 30 WW1 servicemen are discovered there every year.
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Post by: harrydunn on April 20, 2016, 05:37:47 PM
Might this be Walter's Marriage ?

Type    Civil Marriages
Date of Marriage   27/12/1920
Husband's Name   WALTER MATHERS
Husband's Address   2 GREENMOUNT ST
Husband's Occupation   RIVETER
Husband's Age   FA
Husband's Denomination   Methodist
Husband's Marital Status   Bachelor (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father's Name   THOMAS W MATHERS
Husband's Father's Occupation   PRINTER
Husband's Witness   JOHN HEANEY
Wife's Name   ELEANOR HARVEY
Wife's Address   45 MEADOW ST
Wife's Age   FA
Wife's Denomination   Methodist
Wife's Marital Status   Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Wife's Father's Name   WILLIAM HARVEY
Wife's Father's Occupation   CLERK
Wife's Witness   AMY HEANEY
Comment   BY LICENCE REV E J F ELLIOTT E [ELEANOR = NELLIE].
Address 1    JENNYMOUNT Methodist
Address 2    BELFAST
Address 3    SHANKILL
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Post by: harrydunn on April 20, 2016, 05:40:03 PM

Father and children all born in England.
Census Years1901AntrimDock WardAmbrose StreetResidents of a house
Residents of a house 7 in Ambrose Street (Dock Ward, Antrim)
Show all information
Surname   Forename   Age   Sex   Relation to head   Religion   Birthplace   Occupation   Literacy   Irish Language   Marital Status   Specified Illnesses
Mather   Frances   12   Female   Daughter   Church of Ireland   England   Scholar   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Mather   Thomas William   44   Male   Head of Family   Church of Ireland   England   News Printer   Read and write   -   Married   -
Mather   Albert   15   Male   Son   Church of Ireland   England   Catch Boy   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Mather   Walter   10   Male   Son   Church of Ireland   England   Scholar   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
Mather   Sarah   38   Female   Wife   Church of Ireland   County Antrim

Kings Norton spans the boundaries of the counties of Staffordshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire;
Births Dec 1886
Mather    Albert        King's N.    6c   400
Births Dec 1888
MATHER    Frances    King's N    6c   407
Births Sep 1891
Mather    Walter        King's N.    6c   413

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Post by: harrydunn on April 20, 2016, 06:32:22 PM
Many thanks to Ulster Canadian and James James for the photo and information I will pass it onto Walters Grandson tomorrow.
Harry Dunn
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Post by: Ulster Canadian on April 22, 2016, 05:10:10 PM
well done mate, happy to help.
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Post by: macroyal on April 23, 2016, 09:51:29 AM
Sorry, correction to my typo above, not Oversea Service Stripes, Overseas Service Chevrons I also forgot to mention that during his February 1918 home leave period he stayed with his mother at the address below, Alexandra Park or Park Gardens ?, the number looks like 2. ?
(http://s31.postimg.org/d9qlt0l0b/add.jpg)
alexander park avenue
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Post by: Ulster Canadian on April 23, 2016, 02:31:51 PM
Many thanks to Ulster Canadian and James James for the photo and information I will pass it onto Walters Grandson tomorrow.
Harry Dunn

Harry, after some additional research we have discovered the colour of the grenade on the right arm which is blue and I've updated the the coloured image.

(http://thumbnails116.imagebam.com/47944/b0a3ad479432371.jpg) (http://)

(http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/47944/484b24479432872.jpg) (http://)
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Post by: Roots57 on May 22, 2016, 12:51:43 AM
Hi,
Does anyone know what regiment or company was stationed at Shane's Castle during WW2?
I am trying to trace my grandfathers service record for WW2 but I don't know his regiment or service number.
All I know is that he was stationed there throughout WW2.  I think he was in a home defence battalion or similar.  I'm pretty sure he was not in the Home Guard.  He was 58 or 59 years old in 1939 and had previously served in the Boer War and WW1.  His service number changed for WW2 so if I find his regiment then I might be able to trace him.
His name was Robert Maguire .
His DOB was 01/10/1881.
His address was 16 St Quentin Park, Glengormley.

Any help with this would be much appreciated.
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Post by: James James on May 22, 2016, 02:08:32 AM
Northern Bank - War Memorials / Roll of Honour (http://northernbankwarmemorials.blogspot.co.uk/)

Belfast Banking Company Limited, Northern Banking Company Limited and Northern Bank Ltd

Various conflicts, many pictures and biographical and military details.
http://northernbankwarmemorials.blogspot.co.uk/2012_11_10_archive.html (http://northernbankwarmemorials.blogspot.co.uk/2012_11_10_archive.html)
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Post by: Ulster Canadian on May 22, 2016, 11:09:35 PM

Any help with this would be much appreciated.

You can try this website that is dedicated to the Second World War in Northern Ireland.
http://ww2ni.webs.com/
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Post by: CraigG on September 02, 2016, 04:07:06 PM

I was over in Belgium, and done the Somme battlefield site seeing tour while in the region – on the Thiepval Monument i came across a Gamble listed on the monument under the 36th Ulster Division
 
So intrigue got the better of me and i started doing a bit of digging (googling) since i got back and found the following info on one of them which i thought was pretty close to home
Hugh Gamble - 10th Bn, the Royal Irish Rifles

Rfn Hugh Gamble, 10/14686, of B Company, killed in action aged 22 years.
He was born at Belfast and was the son of the late Mr. John and Mrs. Margaret Gamble.
Hugh enlisted at Belfast and is recorded on the Ulster Covenant as residing 14 Moore’s Place in 1912.
He has no known grave and is commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial, pier and face 15a and 15b.

Moore’s Place used to be on Sandy Row i believe

So on asking my dad about the above, he said there was Gambles he knew/heard tell off from Sandy Row but didn't know much else  - so now ive hit a brick wall :(

originally my father and his parents would have been from Donard Street, Ravenhill so just trying to trace any links.

Cheers,
Craig
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Post by: Ulster Canadian on September 02, 2016, 05:23:45 PM

So intrigue got the better of me and i started doing a bit of digging (googling) since i got back and found the following info on one of them which i thought was pretty close to home

Cheers,
Craig

Craig you got some of the info correct and got some info incorrectly,

Here's the Hugh Gamble 10th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles you are looking for.

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Post by: Ulster Canadian on September 02, 2016, 05:26:42 PM

click image link for full size. http://www.imagebam.com/image/35bf6e502573857

(http://thumbnails115.imagebam.com/50258/35bf6e502573857.jpg) (http://)
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Post by: CMcG on September 02, 2016, 05:48:17 PM

... Hugh enlisted at Belfast and is recorded on the Ulster Covenant as residing 14 Moore’s Place in 1912 ...


Wrong Hugh Gamble, the one residing at 14 Moore's Place in 1912 was born on 3 May 1894, the son of John Gamble and Ellen Jane Kerr. Here he was in the 1911 census at 14 Moore's Place:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Moores_Place/156048/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Moores_Place/156048/)

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Post by: Ulster Canadian on September 02, 2016, 06:53:45 PM
Wrong Hugh Gamble, the one residing at 14 Moore's Place in 1912 was born on 3 May 1894, the son of John Gamble and Ellen Jane Kerr. Here he was in the 1911 census at 14 Moore's Place:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Moores_Place/156048/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Moores_Place/156048/)

you have the wrong Gamble mate,

Hugh Gamble 10th Royal Irish Rifles was the son of (LATE) John and Margaret Gamble Not John and Ellen Jane. 
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Post by: Ulster Canadian on September 02, 2016, 07:19:31 PM
Hugh Gamble 10th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles, son of the Late John and Margaret Jane,
Ulster Covenant 1912 address "53 Renfrew Street."
Newspaper Clipping of death notice address "53 Renfrew Street."
Soldiers Effects, sole legal guardian, "Sarah" his sister!
His pocket WILL, all his effects left to his sister Sarah!

his mother died, before 1901 census and his father died before the 1911 census, hence the wording "LATE" for his parents on the CWGC.

the Moores place Gamble's Mother was Ellen and there is no daughter Sarah.

Hope that clears it up for you.
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Post by: CMcG on September 02, 2016, 07:30:19 PM

you have the wrong Gamble mate,

Hugh Gamble 10th Royal Irish Rifles was the son of (LATE) John and Margaret Gamble Not John and Ellen Jane.

I don't think so, the mother of the one living at 14 Moore's place was called Ellen Jane and so therefore cannot be the right one, I think you've you've read my post incorrectly.

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Post by: Ulster Canadian on September 02, 2016, 07:41:12 PM

I don't think so, the mother of the one living at 14 Moore's place was called Ellen Jane and so therefore cannot be the right one, I think you've you've read my post incorrectly.

I'm talking about the Hugh Gamble who died in France, his mother and father were the late "John and Margaret Jane." the original post by "CraigG" is trying to link that soldier to the Moores Place family which is a different family.

hope that makes sense.
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Post by: CMcG on September 02, 2016, 07:52:28 PM
And I posted that the one who signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912 with an address of 14 Moore's Place was the wrong Hugh Gamble, because that one was also in the 1911 census for that address, but with a mother called Ellen Jane (ie. not Margaret Jane) Kerr. I thought that was clear, obviously not.

This is a possible 'fit' for the correct Hugh Gamble in 1901 and 1911, born on 10 August 1893, the son of John Gamble and Margaret Jane Shields:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Boyne_Square/161883/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Boyne_Square/161883/)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Railway_Street/966956/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Railway_Street/966956/)
 
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Post by: Ulster Canadian on September 02, 2016, 07:58:16 PM
yes I already posted those two census records as thats the correct family to the soldier who died.
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Post by: CMcG on September 02, 2016, 08:01:39 PM
I wasn't to know, your links don't work.

Did the links include his confirmed date of birth and mother's maiden name as well?

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Post by: Ulster Canadian on September 02, 2016, 08:07:34 PM
I see the images but the links are not working... grrr!

This link should take you to the whole gallery

http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/7jot0xt0ziqddk1qwbdjv6yioa7p63de
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Post by: James James on September 03, 2016, 09:07:07 AM
This is the image of the will of the soldier who was being referred to by regimental number and unit, this will is one of the documents listed on the link in the previous post, and the address for his sister is the 53 Renfrew Street address which has been previously referred to, end of story.
(https://s14.postimg.org/7gsfg6fvl/Gamble_Hugh_Will_2.jpg)
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Post by: richjh on September 03, 2016, 05:39:17 PM

Mary,
My father Samuel Hagan and my mother Evelyn Risk are both from Belfast. Dad served as a Spitfire mechanic. He immigrated in 1946 to the US where I was born. Dad is sitting on the left wing second from the left.
Rich

(http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/webkit-fake-url://06acf3dd-0930-490f-b640-0763ae685c42/image.tiff)
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Post by: richjh on September 03, 2016, 05:41:42 PM
I tried posting his picture but apparently it didn't post. What is the best way to post a pic?
Rich
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Post by: CraigG on September 03, 2016, 06:16:27 PM
@Ulster Canadian - Cheers, thats great information. will run it past my dad to see can it help jog any memories
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Post by: James James on September 04, 2016, 07:54:22 AM
Mary, My father Samuel Hagan and my mother Evelyn Risk are both from Belfast. Dad served as a Spitfire mechanic. He immigrated in 1946 to the US where I was born. Dad is sitting on the left wing second from the left. Rich
I tried posting his picture but apparently it didn't post. What is the best way to post a pic? Rich
No idea who Mary is, but you seem to have figured out how to post pictures.
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,66581.msg1908465.html#msg1908465 (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,66581.msg1908465.html#msg1908465)
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Post by: RBR60 on September 05, 2016, 03:28:39 PM
I have a photo of my grandfather Richard Roberts,,Royal Irish Rifles...Boer War 1900...still trying to find out why he ended up in Belfast. ???
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Post by: CMcG on September 05, 2016, 06:48:23 PM

I have a photo of my grandfather Richard Roberts,,Royal Irish Rifles...Boer War 1900...still trying to find out why he ended up in Belfast. ???


There is a reference on the internet to Private Richard Roberts reg. no. 2417 saying '2nd Bn Royal Irish Rifles QSA roster WO 100/204 show 2417 Pte. R.Roberts as having Cape, OFS, TVL and South Africa 1901 clasps'.

Did your Richard Roberts marry Ellen Lamont in Lisburn on 3 April 1899?  If so, note that the marriage record says that his father was also called Richard Roberts and was a boilermaker by trade.  The following link to the 1911 census return for no. 22 Solway Street, Belfast, is the Richard Roberts who married Ellen Lamont, together with their children, note that his birthplace was given as Liverpool, note also (for later name pattern purposes) the name of one of his children Fred Charles and note that GRONI gives the DOB for the first son Richard as 17 January 1900: 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Solway/226762/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Solway/226762/)

In the 1901 Ireland census, the following link to the census return for no. 12 Lomond Street, Belfast, looks like a possible 'fit' for Ellen (Lamont) Roberts and first son Richard (both are pretty consistent age-wise with the 1911 census and first son Richard's DOB provided by GRONI):
 
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/Lomond_Street/1222341/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/Lomond_Street/1222341/)

They were in the household of a Frederick Roberts who was described as a boilermaker, note that young Richard was described as a nephew and that there was also an Elizabeth Roberts in the household, a sister of Frederick, whose birthplace was England.  The couple in the above 1901 census return were Frederick Roberts and Agnes Owens who got married in St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, Ballymacarrett on 29 March 1896, Frederick's father was recorded as Richard Roberts, a boilermaker.  So it points to Frederick being a brother of the Richard Roberts who married Ellen Lamont (and Elizabeth being a sister). 

The census return gave Frederick's birthdate as c. 1872 and his birthplace as Co Down (which includes East Belfast). GRONI has a birth record registered in Belfast for a Frederick Roberts born on 1 December 1870, mother's maiden name Nelson, there is also a Church of Ireland record for a baptism on 4 January 1871  of a Frederick Charles Roberts of '5 Laganview' Belfast, parents given as Richard Roberts, a Ship Carpenter, and Elizabeth Nelson.

There is a Church of Ireland record for a marriage on 16 November 1868, in St. Anne's,  Belfast, for a Richard Roberts and Elizabeth Nelson, Richard was described as a 22 year old labourer, the son of William L Roberts, a coast guard officer, Elizabeth was the 23 year old daughter of James Nelson, a forester.  In addition to the 1870 birth of Frederick Charles to this couple, I can also see a William Gamble Roberts born to this couple in Belfast on 23 September 1869.  The fact that Richard Roberts' father William L Roberts was cited as a coast guard officer in the 1868 marriage should mean that there are records available about him and his service.

So to recap, a Richard Roberts married Elizabeth Nelson in 1868, they had a son William Gamble Roberts in 1869, a son Frederick Charles Roberts in 1870, through the 1901 and 1911 Ireland census records it looks like they also had a son Richard Roberts born c. 1873 in Liverpool (who married Ellen Lamont in Lisburn in 1899) and a daughter Elizabeth Roberts born in England c. 1877.

I wonder if connected to your Richard Roberts?
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Post by: RBR60 on September 06, 2016, 09:17:46 AM
First of all, thanks ! a great bit of research.  yes, my grandfather Pte Roberts 2417,,,sorry, no sign of his medals. died 1964. buried in Dundonald with Ellen Lamont from Lisburn. there are Lamonts still in Lisburn.  I am still reading your reply,,very interesting,,trying to work out which Fred played for Glentoran ?? and where he was buried ?. so now we have Richard in Belfast,,,Rachel in Edinburgh and Karl Roberts in Manilla !!   thanks keep in touch.  RBR.
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Post by: James James on September 06, 2016, 10:39:42 AM
I have a photo of my grandfather Richard Roberts,,Royal Irish Rifles...Boer War 1900...still trying to find out why he ended up in Belfast. ???
How do you know that your picture is Second Boer War. ? If it is, then the soldier mentioned above is the correct man, because if he served in the Second Boer War he was awrded at least one campaign medal, unless he had forfeited his medal entitlement for some reason. There is only one man in that regiment with either a first forename of Richard or a first forename initial of R and a surname of Roberts, and that is the man mentioned above.

However, he didn't enlist into the 2nd Battalion he enlisted into the 1st battalion on 2nd January 1889 as an 18 year old labourerand C of E, to serve for 12 years with the colours or 7 and 5 years in the reserves. So unless he enlisted underage for adult service, which is possible, he was born in Liverpool circa 1870/1871.

He served until October 1896 when he was transferred to the reserves and he was recalled to serve with the colours in the 2nd Battalion in October 1899 two days before the start of the Second Boer War and he was discharged as time expired in January 1902 about five months before the end of the war.

You're original question was why at some point resident in Belfast.

Well from the above information it looks like he probably had Irish parental ancestry, which would also explain why he chose to join an Irish regiment which was based in Ulster, at least it was for recruit training purposes, and there is another likely reason which I believe was also mentioned above as to why he later remained in Ulster, which is his marriage.

That also fits in with his service dates and places of service, because during his first period of service with the first battalion this is where and when they served... 1889 Ireland Mullingar with a detachnent sent to the Sudan in 1889 ... 1892 Fermoy ... 1894   Newry ... 1895 England Aldershot ... 1897 Natal

These were the address and the parental next of kin and siblings that he listed.
(http://i.imgur.com/EmpEI3Y.jpg)
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Post by: RBR60 on September 06, 2016, 11:58:57 AM
Thanks for your interest, yes my grandfathers photo is printed by a photographer in Fermoy ! I will try and send the photo to this page. thankyou.
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Post by: soozie on November 18, 2016, 05:52:38 PM
If you would like to share with other people interested in a book chronicling the life of Sir Crawford McCullagh Lord Mayor of Belfast who served through 2 World wars ..my book is called Belfast's Dick Whittington it will be available before Christmas..by Susan B Cunningham ...There are photos of him with Eisenhower, Montgomery, James Magennis and many more interesting people.
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Post by: James James on November 19, 2016, 06:01:01 AM
You mean served in a political, and not a military capacity. An isbn number and some publication details might be useful. Good luck with your book.
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Post by: sj on November 21, 2016, 01:14:40 PM
This thread is about the 1st W.W. & 2nd W.W. So did you know that today was the end of the Somme campaign which lasted from July to 21st Nov 1916.  A massive mistake and loss of life and if we pursue war criminals then we should pursue the General in charge of this operation but that might lead to bigger fish but he was kicked upstairs. :(
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: old3wheeler on January 04, 2017, 05:51:31 PM
Got a great book from Santa lol its called " The Chocolate Soldier's " and is by Steven Moore, IT gives a great insight into the formation and war history of the 14TH Battalion of the Royal Irish Rifles who were better known as The Young Citizen Volunteers (YCV) If anyone has relatives  who served with the YCV its a must read,  Regards Ken
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on January 06, 2017, 09:23:55 PM

http://www.colourpointbooks.co.uk/more_details.php?id=1835 (http://www.colourpointbooks.co.uk/more_details.php?id=1835)
Cheers for that book info. Did have such a relative, my great uncle, i.e. the brother of my maternal grandfather, and I've got his WW1 military paperwork. Unusual, but not unique situation, pre WW1 he had served an apprenticeship in a skilled trade in the Belfast shipyards. During WW1 he was serving in the army in Europe, in a unit which had originally been the YCV, but he was recalled to Belfast during the war, to work in the shipyards.

Their pre WW1 grey uniform always reminds me of an American military academy uniform.
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Post by: soozie on January 06, 2017, 10:07:04 PM
Sir Crawford McCullagh Belfast's Dick Whittington by Susan B Cunningham is a book about the longest serving Lord Mayor in the British Isles.  It tells the story of a young man who came to Belfast at the age of 14 to make his fortune and ended up serving the people of Belfast through two world wars. The book is available from The Ulster Historical Foundation and Laurel Cottage publications.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on February 15, 2017, 01:08:28 AM
Pre WW1... 1911... but potentially indirectly related.

Location information for 2nd Battalion Royal Irish Rifles.

April 1911 England Census... the battalion was stationed in Citadel Barracks, Western Heights, Dover, Kent.

1st Battalion Royal Irish Rifles was stationed in Kamptee Military Cantonment in India.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Mary Frances on March 08, 2017, 03:32:20 PM
I was thrilled last night to find an ancestor on Find My Past. I tried just recently to update on Mary Lennon's site but could not do so. Here's what I found:

Kenneth Paterson of the Indian Army Service Corps, died (suddenly) in Gyantse, Tibet, 05 January 1924. Source: Find My Past; The Northern Whig, 14 Jan. 1924.
I have had a gentleman search for service records and none found. I have medal cards already, parents, etc. I would like to discover what he was doing at time of death, and where he is interred. It is likely Tibet.

Thank you!
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: sj on March 08, 2017, 03:58:52 PM
 Great stuff? :)  It is always rewarding when you have a win in genelogy
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Livey on March 13, 2017, 05:28:41 PM

Hi out there I am looking on information to start trying to trace my grandfathers military record, the information I have at the moment is taken from his medals which are: Service medals for 1914 - 1918 Royal Enniskillen Fus., 1939 - 1945 service medal, the Italy star, the Atlantic star, the Pacific star, the 1939 - 1945 star and another star with crossed swords and the month Aug. Nov. There is also a medal for the Mercantile Marine 1914 - 1918, his military number is on most of the medals which is 7391, I was wondering if this is right as it is only four digits.

Can anyone tell me where to start, I knew my grandmother but in those days we were seen but not heard.

Livey  

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Mary Frances on March 13, 2017, 06:03:58 PM
LIvey,  When I first started researching my soldier, he was on the 1911 census with the military and a 4 digit number by his name. At the time I wasn't sure what it meant. Now according to his military file that I received Saturday,  :) , that number is the Regiment number. I hope this helps. It is an important number.

Mary Frances
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Livey on March 13, 2017, 06:26:08 PM

Thank's Mary Frances, as I live outside the country can you tell me what the Military Census is and how you got information sent to you from it.
Livey ...
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on March 13, 2017, 07:08:17 PM

Hi out there I am looking on information to start trying to trace my grandfathers military record, the information I have at the moment is taken from his medals which are: Service medals for 1914 - 1918 Royal Enniskillen Fus., 1939 - 1945 service medal, the Italy star, the Atlantic star, the Pacific star, the 1939 - 1945 star and another star with crossed swords and the month Aug. Nov. There is also a medal for the Mercantile Marine 1914 - 1918, his military number is on most of the medals which is 7391, I was wondering if this is right as it is only four digits.

Can anyone tell me where to start, I knew my grandmother but in those days we were seen but not heard.

Livey  


Posting the following just in case, as the military number tallies.

There was an Andrew Livingston who married Martha McKay in Grange Presbyterian Church, Ballymena, in 1909, here is the civil registration showing the details:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10022/5645444.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10022/5645444.pdf)

This was him in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Carnalea/139817/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Carnalea/139817/)

And 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Tullyish/Tullylish/1204697/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Tullyish/Tullylish/1204697/)

This Andrew Livingston was born in Tullylish, County Down in 1886 to parents George Livingston and Elizabeth Ruddock:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02595/1958484.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02595/1958484.pdf)

Andrew's parents George Livingston and Elizabeth Ruddock were married in Seapatrick Church of Ireland on 15 February 1879, the recorded fathers were John Livingstone (a bleacher) and James Ruddock (a labourer). Andrew's mother Elizabeth (Ruddock) Livingston subsequently died and his father George remarried, this time to an Annie Babe in 1892 (that's the wife Annie shown in the above 1901 census return).

Anyway, Andrew signed up for the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers in 1902 and his reg. number was 7391.  In his attestation, he confirmed that he was born near Gilford in Tullylish Parish, he said he was a bleacher and 18 years old.  His other military papers describe him as 5' 3.5", 110lb weight, with brown eyes, dark brown hair and a 33" chest expanding to 35". Parents, siblings and wife Martha McKay and children get a mention in the papers.

Andrew Livingston and Martha McKay had the following children, there may be more:

George in 1910: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01552/1627640.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01552/1627640.pdf)

(sadly died early): https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05398/4507428.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05398/4507428.pdf)

- Elizabeth in 1911: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01504/1610962.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01504/1610962.pdf)

(sadly died early): https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1914/05313/4478328.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1914/05313/4478328.pdf)

- Andrew in 1914: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01424/1584436.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01424/1584436.pdf)

- Robert in 1915: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01362/1561615.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01362/1561615.pdf)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on March 13, 2017, 07:16:22 PM
...

- Andrew in 1914: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01424/1584436.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01424/1584436.pdf)

...


There is an Andrew Livingstone of 134 Soudan Street who died in 1973 with a reported age of 60, he is in Roselawn Cemetery, just a possibility for the Andrew born in 1914:
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8891.1247 (https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8891.1247)

In the same grave is an Ellen Livingstone of 47 Coolfin Street who died in 1995 with a reported age of 80:
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=9287.28495 (https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=9287.28495)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on March 13, 2017, 07:22:26 PM
LIvey,  When I first started researching my soldier, he was on the 1911 census with the military and a 4 digit number by his name. At the time I wasn't sure what it meant. Now according to his military file that I received Saturday,  :) , that number is the Regiment number. I hope this helps. It is an important number. Mary Frances
Until 1920 those regimental numbers which also applied to members of corps in the British Army weren't unique to an individual enlisted rank soldier. Blocks of numbers were allocated to each regiment and corps, and each regiment or corps issued a soldiers regimental number to him from their own number block, but many of those number blocks were duplicated, and so several men in different regiments and or corps could have the same regimental number at the same time or at different times.

Up until 1920 if a enlisted rank soldier changed regiments or corps he would be issued with a new regimental number by his new regiment or corps. During WW1 when soldiers changed regiments or corps far more frequently than they usually did pre war, some soldiers could have as many as six different regimental numbers. All of their WW1 regimental numbers will be recorded in their medal records, all of which still exist.

In August 1920 the Army service numbering and allocation system was changed, and new and unique number blocks were allocated to each regiment and corps, and every enlisted rank soldier was  given a new and unique service number which was called an Army Number and which didn't change even if the individual changed regiments or corps.

Your relative died in service in 1924 in the Indian Army Service Corps as a Warrant Officer rank, but until 1923 that unit had been called the Supply and Transport Corps.

The Supply and Transport Corps and the Indian Army Service Corps was a specifically British Indian Army Corps and the 1920 Army service number renumbering Army Number blocks only mentions British Army regiments and corps, i.e. non specifically British Indian Army regiments and corps.

So if the British Indian Army servicemen may have either retained their pre 1920 regimental numbers or else they were renumbered separately with new 1920 Army Numbers from a separate new number block which was specifically for use by British Indian Army regiments and corps.

You mentioned on another message thread yesterday that you've now got your relative's Army service record, and if he had more than one regimental and or Army service number, all of his numbers should be listed in his service records.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on March 13, 2017, 07:30:11 PM

Hi out there I am looking on information to start trying to trace my grandfathers military record, the information I have at the moment is taken from his medals which are: Service medals for 1914 - 1918 Royal Enniskillen Fus., 1939 - 1945 service medal, the Italy star, the Atlantic star, the Pacific star, the 1939 - 1945 star and another star with crossed swords and the month Aug. Nov. There is also a medal for the Mercantile Marine 1914 - 1918, his military number is on most of the medals which is 7391, I was wondering if this is right as it is only four digits.

Can anyone tell me where to start, I knew my grandmother but in those days we were seen but not heard.

Livey  


There is also a naval service record for Andrew Livingstone born 1886 here, but you have to pay to see the unobliterated version:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8559675#imageViewerLink (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8559675#imageViewerLink)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Livey on March 14, 2017, 05:52:10 PM

Hi CMcG, thanks a lot for all the information you supplied looks as though you hit the jackpot, on my grandfathers medals his name is spelt without the
" e " at the end, this is something that has happened with me many times over the years. The Andrew and Ellen Livingstone are my parents. I shall go through all the web sites you supplied and see what comes from the many names, perhaps I may be able to track the grand parents on my mum's side as I do not even know their first names.

Thanks James James, your knowledge on the military is very impressive.

Thank you to you all again it was very much appreciated.

Livey  
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: speaker on March 22, 2017, 02:54:09 PM
Hi new to this site have found my grandfather buried in milltown cemetery in the poor /pauper ground. His name was Charles Irvine and he died 21st july 1926 but was buried under Charles Irwin 23 july 1926. He was buried from U.V.F military hospital in hollywoood. They have no info on him records destroyed. He must have being an army pensioner but I cant find an army number any help or suggestions would be helpful
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: eastbelfastbabe on March 22, 2017, 10:55:07 PM
Speaker, if you contact the British Legion in Belfast they might be able to help. I was able to get my granddad's army number, date of his enlistment, service at home and abroad from Waring St. 
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: speaker on March 22, 2017, 11:10:28 PM
Thank for the reply east belfast babe i'll try them
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on March 23, 2017, 01:52:26 PM
Hi new to this site have found my grandfather buried in milltown cemetery in the poor /pauper ground. His name was Charles Irvine and he died 21st july 1926 but was buried under Charles Irwin 23 july 1926. He was buried from U.V.F military hospital in hollywoood. They have no info on him records destroyed. He must have being an army pensioner but I cant find an army number any help or suggestions would be helpful
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1303.msg1222457.html#msg1222457

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=16710

http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/all-about-the-wfa/wfa-news-events/pension-records.html
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: speaker on March 23, 2017, 03:24:37 PM
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1303.msg1222457.html#msg1222457

Thank you James James yeah that is the same person but we still can't find an army number or regiment for him any help at all would be great
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: paulob on March 29, 2017, 03:52:03 AM
My family mostly pre 1922...Jim Herily and RIC forum I suggest best.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: robertbarrie96 on April 03, 2017, 12:04:21 AM
Hi all,

My great-grandfather served in the 8th Battalion of the Royal Irish Rifles as an officer and while I have a picture of him on his own I would love a picture of the battalion as a whole.
I already know pretty everything on him after months and months of research and a visit to the national archives in London but a photograph of the battalion is still evading me. As I said, he was an officer so there must be an officer's photograph of the battalion? Most of the battalions did this.
Does anyone have any leads/sources or even pictures that could be of help? I've tried everything :(
Many thanks for any help,

Robert
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Timmo on April 10, 2017, 08:41:04 PM
Hi all,

My great-grandfather served in the 8th Battalion of the Royal Irish Rifles as an officer and while I have a picture of him on his own I would love a picture of the battalion as a whole.
I already know pretty everything on him after months and months of research and a visit to the national archives in London but a photograph of the battalion is still evading me. As I said, he was an officer so there must be an officer's photograph of the battalion? Most of the battalions did this.
Does anyone have any leads/sources or even pictures that could be of help? I've tried everything :(
Many thanks for any help,

Robert

Best bet Greatwarforum plenty of great sources on it.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ourjoe on April 27, 2017, 10:33:41 PM
hi all  can anybody help i have a great uncle in the RIR  private  his address in belfast was  26 kildare street     thank you all  ourjoe
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on April 28, 2017, 12:48:31 AM
hi all  can anybody help i have a great uncle in the RIR  private  his address in belfast was  26 kildare street     thank you all  ourjoe
Dates, name, which Irish regiment, there was more than one Irish regiment with those initials, what are you trying to find. ?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ourjoe on April 28, 2017, 04:15:29 PM
hi james james

to be honest with you i don't know i was doing family research when i came across the son of my great uncle on it .. it says fathers occupation
it gives you  DEALER then it says  ( now a private in the RIR ) thats me lost  lol   the date is   ( 1915 )     cheers  ourjoe
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on April 29, 2017, 04:19:55 AM
hi james james  to be honest with you i don't know i was doing family research when i came across the son of my great uncle on it .. it says fathers occupation it gives you  DEALER then it says  ( now a private in the RIR ) thats me lost  lol   the date is   ( 1915 )   cheers  ourjoe
The son of your great uncle is your first cousin once removed.

Well that sounds like the family was likely still there in 1918, because in 1910 and 1918 the head of household at 26 Kildare Street was Michael Flannigan, dealer. http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/index.htm (http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/index.htm)

Check other dates for that address as well.

Take a look at number 1 in 1910 on that as well.

Which also means that you've got them in the 1911 Irish census, misspelled as Flanagan. and possibly also in the 1901 census, so check that out as well.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court/Kildare_Street/135456/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court/Kildare_Street/135456/)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001404987/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001404987/)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001404988/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001404988/)

Check those sources, and then see what you can find here... https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/)

Give this a try as well, they're offering a freebie for several days...

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/findmypast.co.uk (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/findmypast.co.uk)  ...  http://www.findmypast.co.uk/ (http://www.findmypast.co.uk/)

1915 sounds like a possible WW1 related reference, stop editing your information and state exactly what your information source is, and exactly and verbatim what it says.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Noel P on July 06, 2017, 12:18:32 AM
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2whmcd2.jpg)
Not sure what the WW1 regiment is or where the photo was taken, but I believe the man third from the right in the middle row is my great grandfather, John Legg. I THINK he may have suffered in a gas attack. I'm told that this postcard was sent or brought to Belfast from the front for his wife, my great grandmother, Mary.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/219nkgi.jpg)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on July 07, 2017, 12:51:50 PM
"Possible" Royal Irish Fusiliers, "possible". !

http://www.freewebs.com/irishregimentsofthebritisharmy/apps/photos/album?albumid=4575942 (http://www.freewebs.com/irishregimentsofthebritisharmy/apps/photos/album?albumid=4575942)

(http://mediaprocessor.websimages.com/thumb/150/http://www.freewebs.com/irishregimentsofthebritisharmy/(33)Royal%20Irish%20Fusiliers-Economy.JPG)           (http://mediaprocessor.websimages.com/thumb/150/http://www.freewebs.com/irishregimentsofthebritisharmy/(32)Royal%20Irish%20Fusiliers.JPG)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2whmcd2.jpg)

This is a larger size f the picture.      http://i65.tinypic.com/2whmcd2.jpg (http://i65.tinypic.com/2whmcd2.jpg)

Royal Irish Fusiliers WW1...
(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/w1600/pict/152586850908_/WW1-Soldier-Group-Royal-Irish-Fusiliers-in-France.jpg)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ourjoe on July 07, 2017, 03:30:53 PM
hi  james james

yes michael came from kildare st  died in march 1924  i only knew that he was in the RIR from his son birthday certificate i think it his but i'm not sure    ourjoe

frist name. michael   surname  flanagan.  ( service number  1978 )  (  rank  private. )   ( record year  1916 )  ( unit   ROYAL IRISH REGIMENT   )  I Think  lol 

quote author=Noel P link=topic=1303.msg1974614#msg1974614 date=1499296712]
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2whmcd2.jpg)
Not sure what the WW1 regiment is or where the photo was taken, but I believe the man third from the right in the middle row is my great grandfather, John Legg. I THINK he may have suffered in a gas attack. I'm told that this postcard was sent or brought to Belfast from the front for his wife, my great grandmother, Mary.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/219nkgi.jpg)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on July 07, 2017, 04:06:29 PM
This getting very confusing. ourjoe, with respect, why are you posting your information about your enquiry project, on a different and presumably unrelated post by Noel P. ?!

Am I right in assuming that Noel P's new post yesterday, and you earlier post from April...
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1303.msg1960751.html#msg1960751 (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1303.msg1960751.html#msg1960751)

are not connected. ?

Anyway, while we're here, the embroidered postcard from the front that Noel P posted is very typical of the sorts of elaborate postcards that WW1 troops at the front would send home to their relatives.

https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/325314773064619663/ (https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/325314773064619663/)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fc/81/e4/fc81e43d78f8f6c691e9f964739fe1e3.jpg)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Bread Basket on July 21, 2017, 05:14:30 PM
hi james james

to be honest with you i don't know i was doing family research when i came across the son of my great uncle on it .. it says fathers occupation
it gives you  DEALER then it says  ( now a private in the RIR ) thats me lost  lol   the date is   ( 1915 )     cheers  ourjoe
Hi our joe,
I'm in a similar dilemma. My Grandfather's Short Attestation shows him as joining the RIF and he is also listed as a Dealer, he was a Professional Boxer. It would be interesting to know if the person who was filling out the forms choose to make "Dealer" fit the bill for those who may not have had a run of the mill occupation?
Have you any idea of your relations occupation?

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ourjoe on July 21, 2017, 06:03:54 PM
hi   Bread Basket

yes my family then were fruit dealer  my grand father and his brothers all deal in fruit     cheers  ourjoe   
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: MargaretS on July 21, 2017, 07:24:27 PM
hi   Bread Basket

yes my family then were fruit dealer  my grand father and his brothers all deal in fruit     cheers  ourjoe

I think fruit dealers are known as Costa mongers
I think people known as dealers were rag dealers
who then sold the best ones in secondhand markets
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: ourjoe on July 21, 2017, 09:11:03 PM
Hi  MargertS
yes  street sellers  of fruit and vegetables, in London but over here  they were just called  friut dealers or just dealers on all my familys birth and marriage certificates  just dealers or fruit dealers    but yes i agree   ourjoe
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: harrydunn on July 22, 2017, 09:07:41 PM
Looking for help for a very old friend His Father was William John Best born 31 August 1899 at 64 Penrith Street Belfast, served with Royal Irish Rifles WW1, possible 8th, 9 or 10th battalion in France and survived buried alive at some stage during the war
William John died 1966.
He has obtained the following 4/5819 Best j. 2nd Battalion date of posting 1/2/15 discharge 1/6/16 cause TE but is not sure this is His Father, could you also explain the meaning of TE as a cause of discharge.
any help would be very much appreciated.
harry
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on July 22, 2017, 09:42:07 PM

... He has obtained the following 4/5819 Best j. 2nd Battalion date of posting 1/2/15 discharge 1/6/16 cause TE but is not sure this is His Father, could you also explain the meaning of TE as a cause of discharge.


TE = Time Expired, ie. when a pre-war regular or territorial force soldier came to the end of his agreed service.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on July 22, 2017, 10:18:35 PM
As said above... TE = Time Expired

The reference “TE” or “T/E” means “Time expired” and “T of E” means “Terms of Engagement(expired).

That is, the man had reached the end of his agreed period of military service. It applies only to pre-war soldiers of the regular army, Special Reserve or Territorial Force although in ireland there never was a Territorial Force.

The man was allowed to return home. From 1916 onward, however, many TE men returned to or were retained on active service as conscripted soldiers, despite their earlier service being completed, but note that in WW1 and WW2 there was never any conscription in Ireland or Northern Ireland.

With the regimental number 4/5819  the prefix 4 means 4th Battalion but before, during and after WW1 and up until the early 1920's a man's number would change if he changed regiments or corps but if he changed battalions within the same regiment or corps only his battalion prefix number would change, but that battalion prefix number was only in use during WW1.

During WW1 battalion prefix numbers of 3 and 4 were very common with Special Reserve and Extra Reserve recruits.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: harrydunn on July 26, 2017, 01:58:01 PM
thank you both for answering the (TE) poser, much appreciated.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Lgrant17 on August 20, 2017, 10:57:18 PM
l who served wiyh the royal inniskillen fusiliers,
   Casualty Details Name: HEWITT, JOHN  Initials: John. r Nationality: United Kingdom  Rank: Lance Serjeant  Regiment/Service: Service No: 12760 Unit Text: 6th Bn.  Age: 26  Date of Death: 08/11/1918  Service No: 12760  Additional information: Son of Alfred V. and Margaret Hewitt (nee Kidd), of Moira, Co. Down. Also served at Gallipoli, Salonika, Egypt and Palestine.  before he DoW in France on the 8.11.18 age 26. Buried in Premont British Cemetery, Aisne, France, plot 2, row C, grave 17,   I found a letter from john whilst training in dublin pre war in my great aunts bureau wpuld like tobget it back t o his family  
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on August 21, 2017, 01:10:23 AM
To Lgrant17 re the previous post 521

1911 Irish Census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Moira/Clare/251981/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Moira/Clare/251981/)

Start a new and separate post in the genealogy section about that family, and perhaps someone might be able to give you a hand with finding their descendants.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Rubikcube on October 20, 2017, 08:00:31 PM
Frederick  Desmond Hughes RAF ww2 came from N.IRELAND and had the second highest night time kills during the war. I have discovered quiet a lot of history about the man mainly stuff regarding ww2.
Not sure if there is a family connection but would like to find out more about the man.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on October 20, 2017, 08:43:22 PM

Frederick  Desmond Hughes RAF ww2 came from N.IRELAND and had the second highest night time kills during the war. I have discovered quiet a lot of history about the man mainly stuff regarding ww2.
Not sure if there is a family connection but would like to find out more about the man.


'Frederick Desmond Hughes was born in Donaghadee near Belfast, the son of the director of a linen firm, on 6th June 1919 and educated at Campbell College, Belfast and Pembroke College, Cambridge, where he read Law.'

http://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/HughesFD.htm (http://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/HughesFD.htm)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on October 20, 2017, 08:55:54 PM

Frederick  Desmond Hughes RAF ww2 came from N.IRELAND and had the second highest night time kills during the war. I have discovered quiet a lot of history about the man mainly stuff regarding ww2.
Not sure if there is a family connection but would like to find out more about the man.


This from the 1932 Campbell College entrances:

2483. *Hughes, Frederick Desmond (D), b. 6th June, 1919, son of F. C. Hughes, 37 Myrtlefield Park, Belfast...

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/CampbellCollegeRegister4.htm#2483 (http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/CampbellCollegeRegister4.htm#2483)

This from the 1932 street directory for Myrtlefield Park:

37. Hughes, F. C., flour miller

This 1915 marriage looks very promising:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09808/5561259.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09808/5561259.pdf)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on October 20, 2017, 09:00:25 PM

Further to reply #522 about Frederick Desmond Hughes...


... This 1915 marriage looks very promising:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09808/5561259.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09808/5561259.pdf)


From the above marriage...

Groom - Frederick Cairns Hughes in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/University_Road/170283/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/University_Road/170283/)

Bride - Hilda Hunter in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Eglantine_Avenue/168956/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Eglantine_Avenue/168956/)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on October 20, 2017, 09:17:13 PM

Further to reply #522 about Frederick Desmond Hughes...


...

Groom - Frederick Cairns Hughes in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/University_Road/170283/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/University_Road/170283/)

Bride - Hilda Hunter in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Eglantine_Avenue/168956/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Eglantine_Avenue/168956/)


Birth of Frederick Cairns Hughes in 1883:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02705/1996025.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02705/1996025.pdf)

Parents Frederick Patrick Hughes and Mary Elizabeth McLean were married on 7 August 1877 in Mariner's Church of Ireland Belfast, the two fathers were Patrick Hughes and John McLean, both book keepers.

Birth of Hilda Hunter in 1894:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02264/1851029.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02264/1851029.pdf)
 
Parents William Johnston Hunter and Emily Carson Alley were married on 24 May 1882 in Donegall Place Methodist Church Belfast, the two fathers were James Hunter, a book keeper and George Alley, a clergyman.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on October 20, 2017, 09:35:16 PM

Further to reply #522 about Frederick Desmond Hughes...


...

Birth of Frederick Cairns Hughes in 1883:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02705/1996025.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02705/1996025.pdf)

Parents Frederick Patrick Hughes and Mary Elizabeth McLean were married on 7 August 1877 in Mariner's Church of Ireland Belfast, the two fathers were Patrick Hughes and John McLean, both book keepers.

Birth of Hilda Hunter in 1894:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02264/1851029.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02264/1851029.pdf)
 
Parents William Johnston Hunter and Emily Carson Alley were married on 24 May 1882 in Donegall Place Methodist Church Belfast, the two fathers were James Hunter, a book keeper and George Alley, a clergyman.


From the PRONI Will Calendars:

Hughes Frederick Patrick of East Lane Cottage Dedham county Sussex died 23 July 1935 Probate London 16 September to William Roxburgh Farquhar retired flour miller Frederick Cairns Hughes flour miller and Guy Francis Pelham Boulton retired civil servant. Effects in Northern Ireland £8529 16s. 3d. Re-sealed Belfast 12 November.

Hughes Frederick Cairns of "Whinstone" Donaghadee county Down retired company director died 7 June 1952 at Musgrave Clinic Belfast Probate Belfast 13 March to Hilda Hughes the widow Frederick Desmond Hughes wing commander Royal air force and Edgar McKee chartered accountant. Effects £34439 15s. 3d.

Hunter William Johnstone of 118 Eglantine Avenue Belfast retired managing director died 13 February 1942 at Aldersgate Palmerston Park Dublin Probate Belfast 28 May to William Johnstone Hunter methodist minister and Stanley Hunter director. Effects £1877 4s. 5d.

Title: List of Irish Victoria Cross recipients
Post by: James James on December 31, 2017, 03:04:54 PM
List of Irish Victoria Cross recipients.     http://www.sixgolds.com/irishvc.htm
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Wasup on March 09, 2018, 08:55:42 AM

I have a photo a Samuel Neill (my uncle) in uniform and his medal card.  Samuel was from the Shankill area of Belfast and served in the Royal Medical corps in WW1. If there is anyone out there who is a direct descendant and would like to have these,  please let me know. I know he had children and they (or their children) may be interested. Thank You.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Wasup on March 09, 2018, 09:43:24 AM
Can you say what his name was? I'm not an expert but it looks like a Fusilier badge of some sort.

Bit late for a reply to this post but I think you may find these are Royal Munster Fusiliers collar buttons. The regiment dated back to the 1700,s and served in France throughout WW1.  They were disbanded in 1922 following the Irish rebellion.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Wasup on March 11, 2018, 10:56:51 AM
thank you both for answering the (TE) poser, much appreciated.
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harrydunn.    further to your post. My Dad James Neill served in both wars but didn't like to talk much about it. To my shame I didn't ask him. He died 1n 1969.  I was always under the impression that he served with the Royal Artillery as I do know he drove horse driven gun carriages in WW1. I am however confused as I have 3 photos of him in uniform. Two show him in WW1 and the other WW2. The latter is plainly RA and he was a lance jack. On the other two however his cap badge is not RA but more like the Army Service Corps. Did they drive the horses for the RA I wonder. Would anyone know?  I have recently found a war record of him ( pretty sure its him) showing he joined up in 1916 at the age of 16. Having seen the references on these posts, his army service number referring to a post script of : T4/ and then  a  number, I assume now that initially he was a Reservist?  I guess being only 16 he was held back in reserve. I do know that he did eventually go to France and I'm guessing around 1917/18.  Do you think if he would have been given a different service number in that event?  I cant find any discharge information that would confirm this.  Any thoughts harry?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: killultagh on March 12, 2018, 02:18:38 PM
I've only recently discovered that two of my 1st cousin 3 times fought and died in World War 1

John Ireland removed is buried in St Elizabeth's churchyard, Dundonald. 

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/661396/ireland,-john/ (https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/661396/ireland,-john/)

Private IRELAND, JOHN
Service Number 79880
Died 06/09/1918
Aged 18
15th Bn. Devonshire Regiment
formerly 2nd Bn.
Son of James and Agnes Ireland, of 18, Eton St., Belfast.

His brother William Ireland also died:

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/573923/IRELAND,%20WILLIAM (https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/573923/IRELAND,%20WILLIAM)

Private IRELAND, WILLIAM
Service Number 201379
Died 01/08/1918
Aged 20
1st/4th Bn. Seaforth Highlanders
Son of James and Agnes Ireland, of 18, Eton St., Belfast.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: qateh on March 15, 2018, 01:06:26 AM
My grandfather,James McMullan fought in WW2. He served in Burma. I have tried to access your site but continually get an error message
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: boops on March 28, 2018, 10:04:10 PM
My fathers uncle ...a wee man from Sandy Row received his Military Medal in 1916 but was killed 28th March 1918
  one hundred years ago today while serving with  The Black Watch.
 
                                            William John Bloomer MM
                                                Rest in Peace.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: sj on March 28, 2018, 10:57:16 PM
Does anyone have stories from the Wars or anything that they have done to give information about the wars or educate people about the folly of war,? :)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: doe on April 09, 2018, 10:43:20 PM
I have seen some great pictures on here and am wondering if anyone has a picture of   A company, 11 RIB (2163). And tell me what all of those letters mean please. I am looking for  William Leckey rifleman. He was  killed in France 1.7.16.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on April 10, 2018, 07:38:49 AM
I have seen some great pictures on here and am wondering if anyone has a picture of   A company, 11 RIB (2163). And tell me what all of those letters mean please. I am looking for  William Leckey rifleman. He was  killed in France 1.7.16.
I think that should be RIR and not RIB,... and it's not a good idea to use regimental name initial abbreviations with Irish regiments, because several of them are very similar and it can cause confusion.

Rifleman William Leckey, regimental number 2163, i.e. what would now be called his Army service number, but which at that time was issued by the regiment or corps that a service person served in, and would change if that person changed regiments or corps.

A Company 11th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles, died Saturday, July 1st, 1916, buried in SERRE ROAD MILITARY CEMETERY No.2, in the Pas De Calais/Somme area in France.
https://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/67200/serre-road-cemetery-no.2/ (https://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/67200/serre-road-cemetery-no.2/)

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2162036/serre-road-cemetery-no.-2 (https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2162036/serre-road-cemetery-no.-2)

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/609226/leckey,-william/ (https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/609226/leckey,-william/)

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56092134/william-leckey (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56092134/william-leckey)


https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/609226/leckey,-william/CasualtyCertificate.ashx?id=609226 (https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/609226/leckey,-william/CasualtyCertificate.ashx?id=609226)

Left click on these images to enlarge them, right click on them to dowmload and save them.
https://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc2616559.JPG (https://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc2616559.JPG)

https://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc5719668.JPG (https://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc5719668.JPG)

https://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc2050289.JPG (https://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc2050289.JPG)

https://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc2743693.JPG (https://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc2743693.JPG)

https://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc2743694.JPG (https://archive.cloud.cwgc.org/archive/doc/doc2743694.JPG)


He died on the first day of the Battle of the Somme.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Somme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Somme)

You can get a copy of his medal record card from here...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3329960 (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3329960)

You can get a copy of the Battalion War Diary from here...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7354035 (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7354035)

In 1921 the Royal Irish Rifles became the Royal Ulster Rifles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ulster_Rifles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ulster_Rifles)

The regimental museum is in Belfast.
https://www.armymuseums.org.uk/museum/royal-ulster-rifles-museum/ (https://www.armymuseums.org.uk/museum/royal-ulster-rifles-museum/)

https://www.royal-irish.com/museums/royal-ulster-rifles-museum (https://www.royal-irish.com/museums/royal-ulster-rifles-museum)


The  Museum has a different regimental number of 8944 for a man of the same name.

11th (Service) Battalion (South Antrim)
Formed in County Antrim in September 1914, from the Antrim Volunteers.
September 1914 : attached to 108th Brigade, 36th (Ulster) Division.
29 August 1917 : amalgamated with 13th Bn, to form 11/13th Bn.
18 February 1918 : disbanded in France.
Service means war service, i.e. a battalion created for service during WW1.

Map of British objectives on the first day of the battle.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/British_plan_Somme_1_July_1916.png (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/British_plan_Somme_1_July_1916.png)

The cemetery is in the vicinity of Beaumont Hamel, and you can see from the map that was in the area of the objectives of the 36th Ulster Division.

On the first and second days of the battle the 108th Brigade of the 36th Ulster division attacked between St Pierre-Divion and the Schwaben Redoubt,... in the vicinity of Thiepval Wood.
http://www.irishsoldier.org/visit/ulster-memorial-tower (http://www.irishsoldier.org/visit/ulster-memorial-tower)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Schwaben_Redoubt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Schwaben_Redoubt)

Many service records were destroyed during the WW2 Blitz on London, and his doesn't seem to have survived.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: DURACELL on August 13, 2018, 11:19:46 PM

Hi Lgrant17.
Ref. John Hewitt
My grandmother was John's sister.
Incredible, r[/color][/font]
eally surprised and excited to read this post.
I have just returned from visiting John's grave in Premont and would love the opportunity to see this letter.
Hopefully you get this reply and can get in touch.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loiste na mona on November 07, 2018, 09:08:07 PM
Hi Lgrant17.
Ref. John Hewitt
My grandmother was John's sister.
Incredible, r[/color][/font][/size]eally surprised and excited to read this post.
I have just returned from visiting John's grave in Premont and would love the opportunity to see this letter.
Hopefully you get this reply and can get in touch.

Hi , Is this your relative?

 [size=1.125rem]Lance Serjeant[/size][size=1.5rem]HEWITT, JOHN[size=1.125rem]Service Number 12760[/size]
[size=1.125rem]Died 08/11/1918[/size]
[size=1.125rem]Aged 26[/size]
[size=1.125rem]6th Bn. Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers[/size]
[size=1.125rem]Son of Alfred V. and Margaret Hewitt (nee Kidd), of Moira, Co. Down. Also served at Gallipoli, Salonika, Egypt and Palestine.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loiste na mona on November 07, 2018, 09:20:05 PM
I've only recently discovered that two of my 1st cousin 3 times fought and died in World War 1

John Ireland removed is buried in St Elizabeth's churchyard, Dundonald. 

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/661396/ireland,-john/ (https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/661396/ireland,-john/)

Private IRELAND, JOHN
Service Number 79880
Died 06/09/1918
Aged 18
15th Bn. Devonshire Regiment
formerly 2nd Bn.
Son of James and Agnes Ireland, of 18, Eton St., Belfast.

His brother William Ireland also died:

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/573923/IRELAND,%20WILLIAM (https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/573923/IRELAND,%20WILLIAM)

Private IRELAND, WILLIAM
Service Number 201379
Died 01/08/1918
Aged 20
1st/4th Bn. Seaforth Highlanders
Son of James and Agnes Ireland, of 18, Eton St., Belfast.
Hi killultagh, This is a link to Last Will of William Ireland, He left all his possessions to his Agnes of 18 Eton street.  



http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/reels/sw/1918_22/IrelandW_E605480.pdf
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Loiste na mona on November 07, 2018, 09:38:36 PM
Hi My grandfather William J Woods was killed in WW1 and on memorial in Belfast I understand.  I am in England and would dearly love to see it. Here is the record: NAME; Woods, William[/color][/font]
RANK; 2nd Corporal
SERV. NO; 64336
UNIT/SERVICE; Railways - 43rd Broad Gauge Railway Operating Coy.
REGIMENT; Royal Engineers
BORN; Carrickfergus
LIVED; Aughnacloy – Co Tyrone
ENLISTED; Belfast
FATE; Died of Wounds, France, March 28th 1918 aged 30

CEMETERY; ABBEVILLE COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSIONV (France) – I.J 27[/size]
CHURCH;
MEMORIAL;
REMARKS; Son of William J. and Margaret Woods, of Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim; husband of Meta Woods, of Mayfair, Cyprus Park, Bloomfield, Belfast (R.O.D? ??? )

http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/reels/sw/1918_22/WoodsW_E576405.pdf

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Rubikcube on November 07, 2018, 11:31:01 PM
No sorry can't help you there. My relatives surname is either Houston or Hughes. Both served in WW1 one survived and one did not. Post for Loiste na mona
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Gott61 on March 17, 2019, 09:36:24 PM
I'm searching for any information regarding  lance corporal Thomas Gault 9th iniskilling  fusiliers killed in action  1st July 1916, I believe his medals were sold by a family member some time ago, I would love to get the medals back, or even a copy of the photo they were framed with.
If any body can help I would be truly grateful.
Title: WW1 and WW2
Post by: benniebon on April 26, 2019, 02:13:05 PM
Looking for information On John Quin and Eliza Cain. I know they had a son Andrew born Belfast about 1839. Andrew married in May 1865 In Newtownards Co Down and his father was a Farmer or Farm Labourer.

Many Thanks
Heather
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Bigali on April 26, 2019, 05:18:50 PM
I'm searching for any information regarding  lance corporal Thomas Gault 9th iniskilling  fusiliers killed in action  1st July 1916, I believe his medals were sold by a family member some time ago, I would love to get the medals back, or even a copy of the photo they were framed with.
If any body can help I would be truly grateful.

A friend of mine recently found her great uncles First World War medals on eBay, they were being sold by a dealer and she was able to buy them for a reasonable price . Apparently there are a lot of dealers selling medals on eBay so might be worth a look.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Crayspond on May 23, 2019, 01:00:38 PM
Hi Mary,
I've recently discovered an ancestor who was killed in WW1.  - His name is Albert Dugald McFarlane. He was born 4/9/1885 City of Derry Londonderry to Dugald McFarlane and Martha Mcfarlane m.s Wood.
I was looking for him after his marriage to Catherine Smith otherwise Murphy in Belfast on 30/04/1913 - They had a daughter Irene 12/10/1914.  I then feared the worse and checked on CWGC.   He died on 25/4/1918 - He was an Engine Room Artificer serving with the Royal Naval Reserve No 1863EA on the HMS Bombala.  I did research this ship and it is a sad tale. It was blown up by a German submarine - he was killed in the blast. Many of the crew got on lifeboats but died either of thirst or by drinking sea water.
 He is remembered with honour at the Portsmouth Naval Memorial - on the CWGC there is no mention of his wife and daughter (both his parents had died by this time). Will there be any mention in Belfast (his home town) anywhere?

Thanks for reading.
crayspond.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on May 23, 2019, 01:55:32 PM
Hi Mary,
I've recently discovered an ancestor who was killed in WW1.  - His name is Albert Dugald McFarlane. He was born 4/9/1885 City of Derry Londonderry to Dugald McFarlane and Martha Mcfarlane m.s Wood.

I was looking for him after his marriage to Catherine Smith otherwise Murphy in Belfast on 30/04/1913

They had a daughter Irene 12/10/1914.  I then feared the worse and checked on CWGC.

He died on 25/4/1918 - He was an Engine Room Artificer serving with the Royal Naval Reserve No 1863EA on the HMS Bombala.

I did research this ship and it is a sad tale. It was blown up by a German submarine - he was killed in the blast. Many of the crew got on lifeboats but died either of thirst or by drinking sea water.

He is remembered with honour at the Portsmouth Naval Memorial - on the CWGC there is no mention of his wife and daughter (both his parents had died by this time).

Will there be any mention in Belfast (his home town) anywhere?

Thanks for reading. crayspond

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Oceanic_Avenue/142342/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Oceanic_Avenue/142342/)

1911 Irish Census.  34 OCEANIC  Avenue, Shankill Parish, Belfast.

ALBERT McFARLANE, son, age 25, INSURANCE AGENT, born Londonderry, Church of Ireland.

His 54 year old widowed mother MARTHA McFARLANE is head of household, Martha's 66 year old unmarried sister SUSAN WOOD and Martha's 17 year old unmarried Glasgow born niece, ELIZABETH DOUGLAS are also resident. They're all Church of Ireland.

MARTHA McFARLANE and her sister SUSAN WOOD were both born in County Cork.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In the 1901 Irish Census, Albert doesn't appear to be listed, but you might possibly find him on a U.K. mainland census in 1901.

In 1901  his parents are listed as running a boarding house in St. Columb's Court in the Parish of Templemore in the City of Londonderry/Derry in the Barony of the North West Liberties of County Londonderry.

Head of household,... Dugald McFarlane 52, born Scotand,... Pensioner Royal Artillery Messenger (Bank).

Wife Martha McFarlane, 38, (note the age difference with 1911),... born County Cork.

Elizabeth Douglass, 7, niece, born Scotland,... (verbatim surname spelling).

4 boarders, including a Catholic Austrian watchmaker.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/No__3_Urban/St__Columb_s_Court/1530045/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/No__3_Urban/St__Columb_s_Court/1530045/)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_West_Liberties_of_Londonderry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_West_Liberties_of_Londonderry)

https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/T/Templemore-Londonderry-Londonderry.php (https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/T/Templemore-Londonderry-Londonderry.php)

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Templemore_Civil_Parish,_County_Londonderry,_Northern_Ireland_Genealogy (https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Templemore_Civil_Parish,_County_Londonderry,_Northern_Ireland_Genealogy)

https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/postcode/bt486pt (https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/postcode/bt486pt)

Map   https://tinyurl.com/y2ysaq6x (https://tinyurl.com/y2ysaq6x)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on May 23, 2019, 03:37:00 PM
https://uboat.net/forums/read.php?23,76331,76342 (https://uboat.net/forums/read.php?23,76331,76342)
"(U154 & U153)... on April 25th 1918 they fell in with the Q-boat Willow Branch (alias Bombala), carrying stores between Gibraltar and Sierra Leone. This ship was nine days out and was off Cape Blanco when the two large submarines hove in sight."

"The U-boats expended thirty rounds before they found the range. For two and a half hours the fight waxed and waned. Finally the Willow Branch, a blazing wreck,was abandoned by her crew, numbering 53; the Third Officer was taken prisoner"
https://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishQships.htm#BM0 (https://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishQships.htm#BM0)

https://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishQships.htm#BM3 (https://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishQships.htm#BM3)
WILLOW BRANCH, 25th April 1918, Central Atlantic, NE of the Cape Verde Islands, off Cape Blanco (now Ras Nouadhibou), Mauritania (20°50’N, 17°20’W) - sunk by German submarine cruisers "U-153" & "U-154".
Q-ship "Willow Branch" (or "Bombola", or "Britannia", collier, 3,300grt, 2-14pdr, 1892) was sunk in a hard fought action with "U-153" and "U-154" each armed with two 10.5cm and two 8.8cm guns. They were working together off NW Africa at the time. "Willow Branch’s" complement is not known, but there were no survivors.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on May 23, 2019, 05:14:42 PM

... They had a daughter Irene 12/10/1914.  I then feared the worse and checked on CWGC ...


Just checking if you are aware of this, maybe a maybe?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01354/1558606.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01354/1558606.pdf)

Sorry, couldn't see any local references to his death within the resources available to me...

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on May 23, 2019, 05:34:52 PM
Just checking if you are aware of this, maybe a maybe?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01354/1558606.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01354/1558606.pdf)
"Birth registration ALBERT DOUGLAS McFARLANE  born 4th January 1916,... at 11 COPPERFIELD STREET Belfast,... mother CATHERINE McFARLAND  formerly SMYTH,... father's profession ENGINEER,... ELIZABETH KERR present at the birth."

Sounds very possible/likely,... and the woman who was present at the birth, might have been the married name of the Scottish born niece who is listed in the 1901 and 1911 censuses as Elizabeth Douglas.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1913 BELFAST MARRIAGE of ALBERT DUGALD  McFARLANE 27 and CATHERINE MARGARET SMYTH 28 a widow, birth surname MURPHY
(https://i.postimg.cc/XvhP0S7c/1913-marriage.png)

"They had a daughter Irene 12/10/1914."

1914 birth of IRENE MARTHA McFARLANE at 48 RUTH STREET, BELFAST.

(https://i.postimg.cc/bJHg6srM/Irene-Mx-Farlane-1914-birth.png)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Crayspond on May 23, 2019, 08:02:09 PM
Thanks for that - No I wasn't aware there was another daughter - brilliant! I assume it is Martha but at first I thought it was Bertha.  His name is Albert Douglas on the certificate - but this happened a lot with the name Dugald - mother Catherine nee Smyth.  In 1914 when Irene was born they were living in 48 Ruth St Now living in 1916 at Copperfield St.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on May 23, 2019, 08:23:13 PM
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8533858 (https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8533858)

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56700419/albert-dugald-mcfarlane (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56700419/albert-dugald-mcfarlane)

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?datasetname=british+armed+forces+and+overseas+deaths+and+burials&firstname=albert&lastname=mcfarlane (https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?datasetname=british+armed+forces+and+overseas+deaths+and+burials&firstname=albert&lastname=mcfarlane)

https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/50164/family_history_research/1564/general_register_office_gro_overseas_indexes (https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/50164/family_history_research/1564/general_register_office_gro_overseas_indexes)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on May 24, 2019, 01:12:47 AM

... Will there be any mention in Belfast (his home town) anywhere?


From the Larne Times of 8 June 1918:

(https://i.postimg.cc/hGT76zZp/mcfarlane1918.jpg)

The 1918 Belfast street directory on the Lennon Wylie website shows the following entry for Carlisle Street: 47. Murphy, Ptk., R.I.C. pensioner - the same man is listed against no. 45 in the 1912 directory and at that same address in the 1911 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Carlisle_Street/148006/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Carlisle_Street/148006/)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on May 24, 2019, 08:04:57 AM
Great find. ! MURPHY was the maiden surname of ALBERT'S wife,... her father's forename was HENRY,... might the 1911,.. 1912,... and 1918 Mr. PATRICK MURPHY in CARLISLE STREET  be her uncle. ?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Crayspond on May 24, 2019, 12:13:39 PM
From the Larne Times of 8 June 1918:

(https://i.postimg.cc/hGT76zZp/mcfarlane1918.jpg)

The 1918 Belfast street directory on the Lennon Wylie website shows the following entry for Carlisle Street: 47. Murphy, Ptk., R.I.C. pensioner - the same man is listed against no. 45 in the 1912 directory and at that same address in the 1911 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Carlisle_Street/148006/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Carlisle_Street/148006/)
That's very interesting from the Larne Times - he may have been in Canada around the time of his father's death in 1907. I wonder why they mention his uncle Mr T.Wood (must be his mother's brother).  Maybe the Murphy's are Catherine's family on the 1911 census - she got married in 1913. I also think maybe the 2nd child is named Bertha - after Albert maybe? Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on May 24, 2019, 04:14:21 PM

... I also think maybe the 2nd child is named Bertha - after Albert maybe? Thanks for the help.


I agree, Bertha, more fully Bertha Evelyn/Eveline, sadly she died young in 1921 - as you can see, she was recorded in the death registration as the 'Daughter of Albert D. McFarlane Marine Engineer Deceased':

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05099/4400887.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05099/4400887.pdf)

This from the Belfast Telegraph of 23 May 1921:

(https://i.postimg.cc/8550Qyzb/macfarlanedeath1921.jpg)

BTW, 7 Landscape Terrace was simply a boarding/lodging house.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Crayspond on May 24, 2019, 05:22:31 PM
Wow - You are good on this site.
Great information James James on the submarine skirmishes and all the other links - I'm going to be busy for a few days! Thanks also to CMcG for your help too.
To fill you in a bit Albert was the only son of Martha and Dugald McFarlane, his father joined the Royal Artillery in 1863 in Belfast when he was 15yrs old. He left in 1886 so a long time in the army. He was 36 when they married and then had Albert the next year. It would be interesting to find out if Irene survived and married, that would be the last link for any surviving relations from that part of the family.
On on as they say!
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on May 24, 2019, 08:02:56 PM
"A Brief Walkabout History of Purdysburn Hospital Belfast"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4_KtVWJJ-k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4_KtVWJJ-k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fY276RyUug (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fY276RyUug)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belvoir_Park_Hospital (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belvoir_Park_Hospital)

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,49958.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,49958.0.html)

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=3132&page=19 (https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=3132&page=19)

Map     https://tinyurl.com/y4yk7x8y (https://tinyurl.com/y4yk7x8y)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on May 24, 2019, 09:05:46 PM
"They had a daughter Irene 12/10/1914."

1914 birth of IRENE MARTHA McFARLANE at 48 RUTH STREET, BELFAST.

(https://i.postimg.cc/bJHg6srM/Irene-Mx-Farlane-1914-birth.png)

http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/community/burialrecords/burialrecords.aspx (http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/community/burialrecords/burialrecords.aspx)

IRENE McFARLANE aged 48,... died 28th March 1961.

Child of ROBERT and IRENE McFARLANE,... stillborn,...died 8th February 1955.

Both addresses below are 133 ALLIANCE ROAD.

(https://i.postimg.cc/dVCPk5hB/bbr.png)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on May 25, 2019, 01:46:36 AM

... It would be interesting to find out if Irene survived and married, that would be the last link for any surviving relations from that part of the family.


Irene McFarlane married someone with the relatively uncommon surname of Wilgar - William John Wilgar - on 18 May 1932 in St. Anne's Church of Ireland, Belfast, her father was recorded as 'Albert Douglas McFarlane Naval Officer' and her age was given as 17.  Fast forward to 1959 and this:

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZK0mr0wD/mcfarlane1959.jpg)

More to follow.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on May 25, 2019, 02:29:25 AM

... More to follow.


Then this in 1970:

(https://i.postimg.cc/KzJPh9Sf/wilgar1970.jpg)

Other notices associated with the above mention... a son David, a son Brian and daughter-in-law Carol and Baby Robert of 10b Dundela Flats, a son Bertie and daughter-in-law Grace of 63 Wheatfield Crescent, a son Rodney and daughter-in-law Violet of 96 Glenholm Park, a daughter Valerie and son-in-law Norman and Norman Jnr. of 16 Woodstock Place, and a daughter and son-in-law Sandra and Robert and granddaughter Samantha of 18 Woodstock Place.

Finally this in 1975:

(https://i.postimg.cc/nzJxfkYX/wilgar1975.jpg)

Other notices associated with the above mention... a son and daughter-in-law Bertie and Grace, a son and daughter-in-law Brian and Carol and grandchildren Robert and Michael, a son David of 1a Dunvegan Street, a daughter and son-in-law Valerie and Norman and grandchildren Norman and David of 84 Hatton Drive, and a daughter and son-in-law Sandra and Robert Wilson and granddaughters Samantha and Tina of Abetta Parade.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on May 25, 2019, 04:21:03 AM
BTW, simply using the above information to play around with 'google' will bring back current leads on this Wilgar family, but just to note also that a user called 'vivhall257' has created a tree on the 'ancestry.com' website which would appear to read across to the above information.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on May 25, 2019, 12:07:39 PM
https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Wilgar (https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Wilgar)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Crayspond on May 25, 2019, 01:39:04 PM
BTW, simply using the above information to play around with 'google' will bring back current leads on this Wilgar family, but just to note also that a user called 'vivhall257' has created a tree on the 'ancestry.com' website which would appear to read across to the above information.
This is all excellent information - I am happy that one daughter survived and then went on to have a lot of children! I hope i'm not hijacking this thread about WW1 & WW2. I'm going to explore the family tree link and also I've noticed someone who is on facebook.
Your help has been fantastic.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on May 25, 2019, 04:27:58 PM
Possibly related thread,...
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,76357.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,76357.0.html)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Crayspond on May 29, 2019, 11:06:10 AM
Thanks to the help on this board I've managed to contact a relation of Irene's - although Catherine and Albert had only one daughter who survived Irene married and had six children 5 who are still alive. She remembers seeing a photo on the wall of a merchant navy sailor in uniform and the name on the bottom of the picture was Albert Dugald MC Farlane. I have filled her in on a bit of what I have found out (I don't want to bombard her at the moment). She lives in Belfast and is going to try and find out more.

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on May 29, 2019, 11:48:50 AM

Thanks to the help on this board I've managed to contact a relation of Irene's - although Catherine and Albert had only one daughter who survived Irene married and had six children 5 who are still alive. She remembers seeing a photo on the wall of a merchant navy sailor in uniform and the name on the bottom of the picture was Albert Dugald MC Farlane. I have filled her in on a bit of what I have found out (I don't want to bombard her at the moment). She lives in Belfast and is going to try and find out more.


Excellent news!  :)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Crayspond on June 04, 2019, 12:01:11 PM
Hi Everyone,
I've came to a bit of a block on the mother of Albert D McFarlane - Martha Wood.  On the marriage cert in 1884 it states father Thomas Wood then on the 1901 census she is down as 38yrs church of Ireland born County Cork. When Dugald McFarlane her husband dies in 1907 the witness is his nephew T.Wood Stormont (Martha's brother I think). On the 1911 census Martha is 54 living at 16.1 Ocenaic Avenue Duncairn Antrim with Albert 25 (son) Insurance agent Susan Wood 66 born Co Cork her sister and Elizabeth Douglas 17 niece of Dugald McFarlane. In 1915 Martha dies 53? address 22 Lothian Ave Thomas Wood is the informant 54 Woodvale St. Susan Ann Wood of 42 Ninth Avenue  dies in 1916 Spinster 56? again brother Thomas is the informant. On the street directory Thomas is at 54 Woodvale St Insurance Agent in 1924. The niece Elizabeth Douglas marries Herbert Ewart Winning in 1913 Belfast her address is 22 Lothian Ave also. They have a daughter Irene Martha Winning in 1914.
Sorry it's a bit longwinded - I have no info on a death for Thomas Wood - he is mentioned above on the obituary of Albert D McFarlane. Nothing on the Winnings. If anyone can see any death notices for Thomas Wood it would be appreciated.  I've looked for them as a family in Cork on LDS Thomas, Susan and Martha Wood with father Thomas but nothing came up.

That's very interesting from the Larne Times - he may have been in Canada around the time of his father's death in 1907. I wonder why they mention his uncle Mr T.Wood (must be his mother's brother).  Maybe the Murphy's are Catherine's family on the 1911 census - she got married in 1913. I also think maybe the 2nd child is named Bertha - after Albert maybe? Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Crayspond on June 04, 2019, 12:26:55 PM
From the Larne Times of 8 June 1918:

(https://i.postimg.cc/hGT76zZp/mcfarlane1918.jpg)

The 1918 Belfast street directory on the Lennon Wylie website shows the following entry for Carlisle Street: 47. Murphy, Ptk., R.I.C. pensioner - the same man is listed against no. 45 in the 1912 directory and at that same address in the 1911 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Carlisle_Street/148006/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Carlisle_Street/148006/)

Sorry I meant to post this instead of the last quote
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on June 04, 2019, 01:34:24 PM

... I have no info on a death for Thomas Wood


Do you mean junior, as in this one?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Woodvale_Street/177940/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Woodvale_Street/177940/)

If so, he died (without a will) in 1924 according to the PRONI Will Calendars index:

Wood Thomas of 54 Woodvale Street Belfast insurance agent died 26 May 1924 Administration Belfast 14 October to Mary Jane Wood widow. Effects £375 2s. 8d.

GRONI has a reported age at death of 67.

(https://i.imgur.com/Oz8rrez.jpg)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on June 04, 2019, 04:34:15 PM

... Do you mean junior, as in this one?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Woodvale_Street/177940/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Woodvale_Street/177940/)


No great leads offered up by the marriage that I can see:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11047/8040708.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11047/8040708.pdf)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Crayspond on June 04, 2019, 06:34:38 PM
Yes thanks CMcG - that's the one. There's me thinking he was a bachelor -  when he was married and had 6 children! Quite fancy names the children had too.  I'll pass it on to my new member of my family tree.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on June 04, 2019, 07:15:16 PM
"RIVETTING 96 year old US veteran JAKE LARSON talks about the Normandy invasion"

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,76597.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,76597.0.html)

BBC Radio 4 audio recording
of a current account by a 96 year old U.S. Normandy veteran.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: James James on June 12, 2019, 03:55:22 AM
List of WW2 Belfast Blitz casualties.

https://wartimeni.com/article/belfast-blitz-list-of-casualties/ (https://wartimeni.com/article/belfast-blitz-list-of-casualties/)

Information provided by Scott Edgar,... designer, developer, DJ, and writer from Belfast,...

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"WartimeNI tells the story of Northern Ireland during the Second World War. Learn about the people and places of Ulster during World War Two from 1939-1945."

He also provided this,...  https://twitter.com/wartimeni (https://twitter.com/wartimeni)

"Stories and sights from World War II in Northern Ireland. 1939-1945."

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Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Oakey on July 23, 2019, 09:20:56 PM
Hi everyone - I've just signed up to this site. I'm Australian and my ancestors came from various parts of what is now Northern Ireland. My great uncle visited Belfast in late 1919, after having fought at Gallipoli, in Egypt, and France during WW1. It was the end of WW1, and he was checking out an alleged family inheritance on possibly Shankill Road. His father had emigrated from Belfast in 1881. I've done quite a bit of genealogy but am a bit stumped as to where he would have gone in 1919 to check out this claim. Or if records exist as to property records at that time. Family legend is, that the property involved a hotel and some houses on or around Shankill Road. Could, of course, be just family legend. But worth checking out. Many thanks for any tips, bye
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: dontsayno on November 05, 2021, 08:48:14 AM
My father, John (Jack) Shaw was an electrician on board the RMS Medina when she was torpedoed in April 1917.  Apart from the engine crew staff at the seat of the explosion all passengers and crew survived. I have his medals for that war.

In WWII he worked for Belfast Corporation and was also a commander in the St Johns Ambulance  posted to  the electricity supply building at Harland and Wolff dockyard when the building was repeatedly bombed during the Blitz.  According to the official account he oversaw and helped look after the injured in the building over a period of five hours personally saving several lives. For this he was awarded the MBE and was also made a Serving Member of the Order of St John of Jerusalem.
Recent research indicated  that building dust can be a cause of stomach cancer - the disease he died of.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: dontsayno on November 05, 2021, 08:51:21 AM
My brother, Eric Shaw was a gunner in 101 Squadron and was killed over Germany.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Bread Basket on November 05, 2021, 10:21:56 AM
My father, John (Jack) Shaw was an electrician on board the RMS Medina when she was torpedoed in April 1917.  Apart from the engine crew staff at the seat of the explosion all passengers and crew survived. I have his medals for that war.

In WWII he worked for Belfast Corporation and was also a commander in the St Johns Ambulance  posted to  the electricity supply building at Harland and Wolff dockyard when the building was repeatedly bombed during the Blitz.  According to the official account he oversaw and helped look after the injured in the building over a period of five hours personally saving several lives. For this he was awarded the MBE and was also made a Serving Member of the Order of St John of Jerusalem.
Recent research indicated  that building dust can be a cause of stomach cancer - the disease he died of.

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSfgYKMq/B601-BFEB-E05-D-4631-AFB7-A2-FF2919-BD4-F.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: mdcuk70 on December 08, 2021, 03:35:32 AM
My Grandad Thomas Dunseath Armstrong from the Shankill area (1920 - 1993) served in WW2  (he was in the Navy before the war started)

(https://mediasvc.ancestry.co.uk/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/072d54c4-3628-4608-b88e-e3005ea77e59.jpg?client=trees-mediaservice&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=1898.875&maxHeight=941.875)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: mdcuk70 on December 08, 2021, 03:51:00 AM
Great Uncle William John Smylie
Reg Number: 23209
Rank: Private
9th Royal Irish Fusiliers
Killed in Action - 1st July 1916  (Somme)
Age 18
From Shankill, Belfast
Gravestone at Thiepval, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France

 :(

(https://mediasvc.ancestry.co.uk/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/e6b63502-4568-4f48-b1ad-c070f5e9fba7.jpg?client=trees-mediaservice&imageQuality=hq&maxWidth=1898.875&maxHeight=941.875)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Johan Nel on August 08, 2022, 04:12:23 PM
Hi,
Is this topic still open for discussion?  I am looking for WW1 records of Belfasters.
Johan
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Bread Basket on August 09, 2022, 09:44:36 AM
Hi,
Is this topic still open for discussion?  I am looking for WW1 records of Belfasters.
Johan

Is the surname Johan or Johansen

More info would be a great help
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Bread Basket on August 09, 2022, 09:50:50 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/vmtGzRwf/E3-FC3-B73-33-EB-4-BEA-852-C-45-BD20-D62703.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/25DzhkMC/36-FADA6-D-545-C-4805-A90-B-962-B2051-E0-C7.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: CMcG on August 09, 2022, 10:45:16 AM

Hi,
Is this topic still open for discussion?  I am looking for WW1 records of Belfasters.
Johan


I couldn't see any military records for William Gibson.  That's not to say that he didn't serve, for so many of the records were lost when a German bombing raid struck the War Office repository in 1940.  However, there are records for his older brother John Britton Gibson, he did a very short stint in Royal Naval service in 1908, followed by a short stint in the army in 1912 and another in 1913.  When he signed up in 1912, he gave the following as his next of kin, note the address 55 Riga Street for later:
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/FswHzmKv/gib1912.jpg)
 
When he signed up in 1913, brothers William and Frederick got a mention too as next of kin, note the address 51 Berlin Street for later:

 (https://i.postimg.cc/5N8RQd5v/gib1913.jpg)
 
Note the following marriage in 1912 of a Margaret Gibson to James Bailie, both gave their address as 55 Riga Street and Margaret's father Robert was recorded as a bread server, so almost certainly William's sister Margaret who was born in 1893 (so not 'Full' Age as stated, but nothing unusual in this):
 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09911/5601908.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09911/5601908.pdf)
 
James Bailie and Margaret Gibson had a daughter Elizabeth Gibson Bailie in 1913, a son John William Gibson Bailie in 1915 and another son Frederick Gibson Bailie in 1917, the address recorded in all three birth registrations was 51 Berlin Street and what looks like Margaret's mother Elizabeth Gibson was the informant for the first two registrations:
 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01433/1587691.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01433/1587691.pdf)
 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01381/1568041.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01381/1568041.pdf)
 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01314/1543267.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01314/1543267.pdf)

Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Bread Basket on August 09, 2022, 11:43:08 PM
So sorry…. Totally mis-read who you were seeking….😳😳
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Johan Nel on August 10, 2022, 07:24:42 AM
@ Bread Basket, apologies for the misunderstanding, my bad.

@CMcG, thank you very much (again) for all your assistance.  The info you provided resulted in a further number of puzzle pieces falling into place.
A theory was that William was in the UK armed forces doing duty in South Africa around about 1924, returned to Ireland, and then permanently moved back to South Africa in 1926?
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Bread Basket on August 10, 2022, 09:36:58 AM
Just a coincidence…. There was more than one William Gibson from Emerson St, this guy lived in Derry and was Wounded 1916

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Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Johan Nel on August 10, 2022, 10:48:28 AM
Thanks Bread Basket, my grandfather was only William Gibson and not William James Gibson.  Maybe family of his.
Regards,
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: AJGle on December 13, 2022, 11:56:19 PM
Hi all,

I've got a general question about WW1 enrolment from Belfast...searching Ancestry, I've turned up three records with the same name as an ancestor from Belfast. Each has commonalities that could just be  coincidence.

There are three separate enlistments/units/service no's. Two of them are in consecutive years with matching ages, physical descriptions, next of kin, etc. Enrolment followed by desertion. The first in in Belfast, the second in Glasgow (with references to Belfast). It's hard to believe they aren't connected but the latter enrolment says no prior enrolment record.  The third one also has similarities and technically could fit time wise, but I'm less convinced...I'm thinking perhaps cousins with reused family names.

Anyway - I was wondering, given there was no conscription, is it likely or possible that somebody would/could enrol once, desert, then reenrol elsewhere? Was there some sort of 'signing up fee' or other benefit that would encourage somebody to do this? Were some people forced into it? I'm assuming it's possible with early record keeping. Has anybody heard of this before?

I understand these were turbulent times. It seems incredible but the paper trail is compelling.

Cheers.
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Glennonm on December 14, 2022, 12:22:47 PM
Whats your email address
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: rebecca mccabe on January 21, 2024, 04:00:35 PM
I had a Great Uncle who served in WW1, I also have a photograph
Title: Re: WW1 and WW2
Post by: Bread Basket on January 21, 2024, 06:43:54 PM
Hi Caroline,
Welcome back to the Forum….I see that your last post was way back in 2009. If you would like to re post this to the Genealogy section and give the name and as many details of your great Uncle I’m pretty sure that some of the members will be able to turn something up for you.
Good luck 👍🏼