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Title: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: kitcat on August 08, 2008, 12:33:19 PM
any 75's too 83's out their? love the lodge in my mind, up the lodge.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: snowolf on August 08, 2008, 07:09:13 PM
its now appartments ,did you ever write a book about the place O0
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: bnf on August 09, 2008, 12:38:08 AM
its now appartments ,did you ever write a book about the place O0
wolfie,
hate to say nazareth lodge was down the ravenhill, beside cherryvale.
nazareth house was at 352 ormeau road, ( the old home of bishop dorrian ),
later a home for the aged, infirm and infantile poor; now an apartment complex
rejoicing in the name of ' the spires '.
bnf.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: snowolf on August 09, 2008, 11:07:58 AM
doah antimatter kicks in now and again yup now care village down ravenhill, naz-lodge also was a mother and baby home was down there a few times work wise the only interesting thing about the place was the lift was well polished with brasso  :) long corridoors big cold rooms tea and cake was nice ;)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: lilybo on August 09, 2008, 12:33:00 PM
where you in the lodge
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: snowolf on August 09, 2008, 01:56:23 PM
where you in the lodge

done a few jobs there ,was never a resident
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: rinty on August 15, 2008, 09:16:47 PM
my mother worked in the lodge for years i think she worked in the kitchen her name was jean monaghan[jinny]
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: charles w on August 16, 2008, 11:24:02 PM
rinty, will P.M. you.                      
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: kitcat on August 27, 2008, 03:34:25 PM
yes. lodge boy. 8 till 14-15. sorry it took me so long to reply, couldn't work out how to reply. did. just think of my family i suppose at times, there were 15 too 18 kids per group while i was their, i was in Bethlehem one, or at least i recall the `one` part. it is a life time and continents deep in my past.
And yes i did know they had pulled it down, i thought however that they had erected a sports center in it's place. I recall the old nun's grave yard up near the boundaries of st Aguistin's high school, dose anyone know if they left the cemetery in place?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: bnf on August 27, 2008, 05:43:46 PM
kitcat,
i'm fairly certain the old cemetery is still there.
bnf
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: kitcat on August 28, 2008, 03:23:59 PM
tiss good to know. I stood grave side many a time as we lowered one of the old nun's back too earth, and unfortunately remember with clarity heading lines of kisser's made to send the old girls off with children's love i guess. cold and some what clammy, yet kissing such pure soul's (those i knew) seems apt in retrospect.
any way like i said up the lodge, and the many fond memories i have of the place. night Irish peoples.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: paddy47 on December 02, 2008, 12:03:29 PM
Does anyone have any memoiries of Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast between the years of 1947 till 1953 please/ My name was Patrick J. Murtagh I was put into the orphanage aged 2weeks
old and left the home at 6years and 3months to live with adoptive parents.
Sadly I do not have any recollection of my time in the home other than having my ears pulled and pulled along the corridor by an Nun.
Paddy
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Eleanor on December 02, 2008, 04:47:57 PM
What was the name of the orphanage on the Antrim Road opposite Skegoniell Avenue?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: lilybo on December 02, 2008, 08:59:07 PM
rinty, will P.M. you.                      
  Charles do you know where I go to get information of Nazareth Lodge from 1928 - 1933 i.e. records and photographs
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: BARNEYKX on December 02, 2008, 09:27:46 PM
FURTHER DOWN THE RAVENHILL WAS THE BABIES HOME I USED TO GO WITH A GIRL WORKED IN IT THEN I HAD A MOTERBIKE AT THE TIME LATE 50S EARLY 60S,IN LATER YEARS I WOULD HAVE DROPPED IN AND LEFT TOYS FOR THE KIDS THERE ,THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN  80S  90 S
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: vito321 on December 31, 2008, 04:51:12 PM
I am looking for records for nazareth lodge My great uncle was put in there after his mother died he is on the 1911 census as being there. Just wondering if any records exist for that time and can i access them?
Also does any one know where girls around the age of 8 would have been as It seems to have been only boys is Nazareth lodge I am tryimg to trace his sisters?

Thanks for any help

 
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: teragram on December 31, 2008, 05:38:29 PM
Does anyone have any memoiries of Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast between the years of 1947 till 1953 please/ My name was Patrick J. Murtagh I was put into the orphanage aged 2weeks
old and left the home at 6years and 3months to live with adoptive parents.
Sadly I do not have any recollection of my time in the home other than having my ears pulled and pulled along the corridor by an Nun.
Paddy

I've heard so many stories of children being ill treated in these orphanages, it's got to the stage where I can't look at a nun, and have any respect for her. Same with Christian brothers,  all they seemed to understand was cruelty.  And to anyone who says you can't tar them all with the same brush, I'd say,  why get yourself involved with animals who can treat defenceless children like that.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: BARNEYKX on December 31, 2008, 06:37:15 PM
A LOT OF CASES OF CRUELTY TO CHILDREN IS NOW COMING OUT ABOUT THOSE PLACES,THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY ABOUT IT ALL IS, HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS THE POCKET, CLAIM FOR CHILD ABUSE SO MUCH OF IT WENT ON IN THOSE SCHOOLS AND ORPHANAGES, IT IS NOW LEGENDRY :-\ :-[
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Val on December 31, 2008, 06:38:33 PM
Tera,

when I here these stories it makes me realise even more how much I have to be thankful for.
I come from a family of 13 and my mother died when I was six. I had a younger sister 4 and younger brother 2 at the time. My father said there was no way we were being split up and I have him and my brothers and sisters to thank, for making that possible for us all to stay together.  We are scattered all over but still remain very close none the less.

We always assumed these children were being looked after by people who really cared and it is very sad to here how many children have been mistreated.

Val  :(
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: BARNEYKX on December 31, 2008, 06:46:32 PM
BIG FAMILIES WERE HAPPY FAMILIES  I KNOW THAT FOR SURE ;D ;D ;D ;D O0
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Val on December 31, 2008, 06:47:54 PM
Yes Barney, we had our squabbles but they never lasted long. Good Memories.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: BARNEYKX on December 31, 2008, 06:50:37 PM
THATS IT VAL  GOODON YOU    ;) ;D
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Val on December 31, 2008, 07:22:47 PM
Barney,

Life is too short for fighting and holding grudges, so I believe in trying my best every day for who knows how long we have left.

 O0 ;D
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: tracyc on December 31, 2008, 07:35:34 PM
My late mother went to school with some of the kids from it. She died almost 3 years ago age 61. But she showed us some of the nun's graves in Milltown Cemetery. One name I can remember she spoke off was Sister Miriam Gerard. Is there anyone eles remember her.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Eleanor on December 31, 2008, 08:36:36 PM
Tera,

when I here these stories it makes me realise even more how much I have to be thankful for.
I come from a family of 13 and my mother died when I was six. I had a younger sister 4 and younger brother 2 at the time. My father said there was no way we were being split up and I have him and my brothers and sisters to thank, for making that possible for us all to stay together.  We are scattered all over but still remain very close none the less.

We always assumed these children were being looked after by people who really cared and it is very sad to here how many children have been mistreated.

Val  :(

I am so glad your father kept the family together, Val. I had a friend who was one of 13. Her mother died when she was 16 and the family was split up. Some stayed with relatives in Northern Ireland, others went to relatives in the Irish Republic or England. My friend had terrible health problems for years and also problems in relationships. Thank God, the aunt she went to live with was a kind woman. :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Val on December 31, 2008, 11:12:20 PM
Thanks Eleanor,

as I said I have a lot to be thankful for and a great family. O0
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: old wallion on March 23, 2009, 12:44:43 PM
Hi
   Did anyone out there work in Nazareth house in the 80s??? :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: deirdre on April 12, 2009, 10:12:21 AM
my mother worked in the lodge for years i think she worked in the kitchen her name was jean monaghan[jinny]
...MY DAD PADDY BRENNAN WOULD HIRE A BUS AND TAKE THE KIDS TO THE SEA SIDE FOR THE DAY ALONG WITH ALL 10 OF US...WAY BACK IN THE 50'S....
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: maddog on May 01, 2009, 11:32:48 AM
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc152/lmmcm8/img025-1.jpg)

this is were nazareth lodge is today  photo taken 1900
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: herbie on May 01, 2009, 12:30:12 PM
Nazareth lodge orphanage was obviously for Catholic boys - was there an orphanage for Protestant boys? 

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: mauram on May 01, 2009, 02:56:13 PM
Nazareth House on the Ravenhill Road was originally called Fox Lodge :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Kateme on May 01, 2009, 03:10:56 PM
I'm sorry so many of you have terrible memories of nuns.  I had nuns as teachers grade 4- 12 and have very fond memories of them.  In those days I believe that girls became nuns if they weren't popular or good looking.  Most of them were caring and kind.
In the first half of the 20th century, times were very hard.  I had two great uncles who were put in an orphanage in Belfast because their mother had married again after first husband died and she had many children to raise.  The second husband had no time for the children and the girls went to live with other family members and the boys went to the orphanage.  Food was scarce I remember them saying.  My uncles' sisters (especially my Gran) would make up food parcels and bring it up to them as often as they could.  Times were tough.

Val - I'm sorry you lost your mother so young. Thank God you had a great father and great brothers and sisters!! :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Karen on May 03, 2009, 09:36:11 PM
Tera,

when I here these stories it makes me realise even more how much I have to be thankful for.
I come from a family of 13 and my mother died when I was six. I had a younger sister 4 and younger brother 2 at the time. My father said there was no way we were being split up and I have him and my brothers and sisters to thank, for making that possible for us all to stay together.  We are scattered all over but still remain very close none the less.

We always assumed these children were being looked after by people who really cared and it is very sad to here how many children have been mistreated.

Val  :(

Aunt Val did you know that my mother, auntie & aunt nellie were in this lodge when granny was very sick. Aunt Nellie said she wasn't allowed to see my mom because she was a little baby, when granny heard about that she came there and took them out.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Val on May 03, 2009, 10:41:34 PM
Karen,

Did your Aunt Nellie tell us a little about that when we were down there, I didn't realise it was the same place. Sounds just like your Granny McKinney,RIP, she wouldn't have stood any nonsense from anybody. Thank goodness.

Love ya... :-*
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 04, 2009, 03:12:05 PM
Nazareth Lodge, According to my recollection was not solely for catholic boys so unless I am missing something how did you come to that conclusion Herbie ;) :)
I would not wish anyone to be in an orphanage.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: McNamee on May 04, 2009, 03:14:47 PM
Hi SJ

Do you remember the "Henhouse Boy"  he was in Nazareth Lodge.  I wonder what happened to him.  It was a terrible story at the time.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 04, 2009, 03:21:14 PM
Bernie. .I remember the henhouse boy really welll but he pales into history when you read about the story of the girl who was imprisoned by her father and had children to him.

The henhouse boy must have been about 1956. ?? >:(

How are you today...weather here is great and I have just returned from three days away in the Chinese countryside. ;)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: McNamee on May 04, 2009, 03:24:59 PM
Weather here is freezing,. not raining at this moment in time, but it is on its way AGAIN.

Oh for a bit of heat.  You lucky man.

I know it pales compared with what happens nowadays, but I remember at the time, everyone was horrified.

These things must have always gone on, but we just did not hear about them.  Now with T V and the papers everything is passed around.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 04, 2009, 03:28:07 PM
Bernie.....there was a group of nurses from Nazareth Lodge who added something to the dances at the Astor and the Orchid.  They were good company and mostly country girls :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: McNamee on May 04, 2009, 03:29:32 PM
Yes   Tuesday night at the Orpheus was Nurses Night.  Remember the springy floor.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 04, 2009, 03:43:26 PM
Bernie....what are you taking???   The Orchid not the Orpheus was the dance of choice by the country folk .  It was on the corner at King St????

However back to Nazareth Lodge. .the lodge was an orphanage for boys and girls who were never turned away .  I haven't heard of any stories about nuns abusing their charge in this place.? ::)

I have to go now as it is past my bed time...see you soon
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: McNamee on May 04, 2009, 03:47:01 PM
Sorry S J  got a bit mixed up there. :-*
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: old wallion on May 04, 2009, 05:51:33 PM
Hi SJ

Do you remember the "Henhouse Boy"  he was in Nazareth Lodge.  I wonder what happened to him.  It was a terrible story at the time.
Mc Namee, The boy lived in Downpatrick for most of his life but i heard he died about a year ago. A sad story. :) :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 05, 2009, 01:22:22 AM
Sorry S J  got a bit mixed up there. :-*

It o.k. .it's called a C.R.A.F.T. moment....Can't Remember a F# #g Thing.I also suffer from it. :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: herbie on May 05, 2009, 04:07:59 AM
s.j.

I thought the Nazareth Lodge was for Catholics because of nuns!  I'm in Canada and wondered where my father was raised .. Since he was protestant, I never considered Nazareth Lodge...

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Headline boat man on May 05, 2009, 06:54:53 AM
Barnardos was protestant.  Remember well going to school with the residents of Macedon House Whitehouse. 1950-1960s. they all attended St Johns COI and Whitehouse Primary School.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: flashman on May 05, 2009, 11:23:05 AM
You can read the full story of 'The Henhouse Boy' [Kevin Halfpenny] on a Feral Children site.   I have often wondered what became of him...
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 05, 2009, 01:55:48 PM
s.j.

I thought the Nazareth Lodge was for Catholics because of nuns!  I'm in Canada and wondered where my father was raised .. Since he was protestant, I never considered Nazareth Lodge...

Thanks for the info.

Herbie.....sorry if I mislead you....I meant that girls were there as well.  I might be getting it mixed up with the babies home which I think was next door.
Dr Barnardos had a home at Whiteabbey ...I think.
How is Canada. :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Headline boat man on May 06, 2009, 07:38:50 AM
Herbie.....sorry if I mislead you....I meant that girls were there as well.  I might be getting it mixed up with the babies home which I think was next door.
Dr Barnardos had a home at Whiteabbey ...I think.
How is Canada. :)
Whiteabbey had a girls borstal. closed and all moved to millisle 1960s.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: PaddyConlon on May 06, 2009, 12:28:37 PM
Hi, I grew up in Naz/Lodge for nearly 13yrs. I was mostly in Sister Ambroses group. I would love to find any of my friends from that era...up until 1984
By the way I really gave the nuns a hard time...however, in my opinion they had a really hard job to do and did thier best
 with what they had...people should not be so quick to judge others..you know what He says "let them without sin cast the first stone" ???
also, is thier any of the staff out there?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: PaddyConlon on May 06, 2009, 12:34:04 PM
Naz/Lodge was not just for catholics I shared a room with a lad from the shankill rd. we all got on great :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: herbie on May 06, 2009, 01:01:44 PM
sj

Canada is great thanks.  My Dad came here in 1930 at 18 with assisted immigration.  Not that he ever told us anything about his past.. so I have been trying to piece together his life!

He was born in Belfast Workhouse in 1911 - and somewhere between birth and 18 he lived with the Shaw family and took their name... 

I read all this stuff on the forum looking for clues to his boyhood.  Been to Belfast once, loved it ..  wish I knew more .. loved my father to pieces ... 

Barnardos was one agency that sent what we call Home Children to Canada.  My father came with the assistance of the Canadian government, the United Church of Canada and the YMCA in Belfast to farm..   He made a good life in Canada - a country filled with immigrants ..  Not an easy start for him but a great finish!

After 3 years of trying to get my Irish citizenship, I finally accomplished this early this year, a very proud moment for me in memory of all my Irish ancestors.

Rambling... thanks for everyone's help.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 06, 2009, 03:15:10 PM
sj

Canada is great thanks.  My Dad came here in 1930 at 18 with assisted immigration.  Not that he ever told us anything about his past.. so I have been trying to piece together his life!

He was born in Belfast Workhouse in 1911 - and somewhere between birth and 18 he lived with the Shaw family and took their name... 

I read all this stuff on the forum looking for clues to his boyhood.  Been to Belfast once, loved it ..  wish I knew more .. loved my father to pieces ... 

Barnardos was one agency that sent what we call Home Children to Canada.  My father came with the assistance of the Canadian government, the United Church of Canada and the YMCA in Belfast to farm..   He made a good life in Canada - a country filled with immigrants ..  Not an easy start for him but a great finish!

After 3 years of trying to get my Irish citizenship, I finally accomplished this early this year, a very proud moment for me in memory of all my Irish ancestors.

Rambling... thanks for everyone's help.


Herbie.....don't go away as this forum is full of surprises and you never know what will pop out of the woodwork.I have seen stories like yours before solved by someone reading your posts.
Where did the Shaws live and did he work anyplace in Belfast.? ;)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Kateme on May 06, 2009, 04:13:47 PM
Naz/Lodge was not just for catholics I shared a room with a lad from the shankill rd. we all got on great :)
Welcome to the Forum Paddy.  Don't give up searching even if you don't hear for a while.  I was on a good three months before I found a long lost friend.  I love your story - would love to hear more of what it was like.  Again, welcome. :hi:
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: glenb on May 06, 2009, 04:33:29 PM
As mentioned before in this forum, we used to bring a boy home from the N/Lodge in the summer so he could have a break (many other families did the same).

I haven't heard about the person for 40 years, didn't know if he was still alive.

Through this forum I got a personal email from someone that knows him well, and now can contact the person. My Mother is 90, she will be pleased when I tell her.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: danso on May 06, 2009, 04:59:43 PM
hi glenb just spok to tony this afternoon he keeping well
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: glenb on May 06, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
Danso, great. I just talked to my Mother, she was very pleased to hear Tony is ok...I didn't realize she knew the specifics of Tony's parents, I guess that was provided when you brought someone home. She said she's (like I) thought about him for many a year, made her day. I must dig out a photo of him and I on Santa's knee, I think it was in the old Co-Op. Santa was drunk as a lord, the moustache falling off him. Tony and I were about 10, too big and too old to be sitting on Santa's knee, he could barely hold us, but by the smiles on our gobs I don't think we cared too much

all the best
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: herbie on May 06, 2009, 06:14:19 PM
sj

Thanks for the encouragement!   James and John Shaw lived on Hazelnut Street - which no longer exists.  I also found them on the Ulster Covenant on Hazelnut. 

My father had apprenticed to be a bricklayer in Belfast - not sure where. 

Not sure why he lived with the Shaws.  But he took their name and I guess that was ok with them.

He was born Dowds.

I keep checking the forum... you never know .. I haven't given up yet.

Thanks again.

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Kateme on May 06, 2009, 06:17:01 PM
Danso, great. I just talked to my Mother, she was very pleased to hear Tony is ok...I didn't realize she knew the specifics of Tony's parents, I guess that was provided when you brought someone home. She said she's (like I) thought about him for many a year, made her day. I must dig out a photo of him and I on Santa's knee, I think it was in the old Co-Op. Santa was drunk as a lord, the moustache falling off him. Tony and I were about 10, too big and too old to be sitting on Santa's knee, he could barely hold us, but by the smiles on our gobs I don't think we cared too much

all the best
That's a great story Glen.  Your mother is marvelous - she remembers everything.  Can't wait to see that photo.  My mother took me down to the Co as well for pictures.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Eileenov on May 07, 2009, 02:15:34 AM
Danso, great. I just talked to my Mother, she was very pleased to hear Tony is ok...I didn't realize she knew the specifics of Tony's parents, I guess that was provided when you brought someone home. She said she's (like I) thought about him for many a year, made her day. I must dig out a photo of him and I on Santa's knee, I think it was in the old Co-Op. Santa was drunk as a lord, the moustache falling off him. Tony and I were about 10, too big and too old to be sitting on Santa's knee, he could barely hold us, but by the smiles on our gobs I don't think we cared too much

all the best
I posted a thread on The Forum 12th February, Belfast History Board titled Visiting Santa at Robbs. I know some people added pictures of Santa visits to the Coop. I thought you might be interested. Eileenov
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Eileenov on May 07, 2009, 02:19:22 AM
There were quite a few girls went to St Monica's who lived in Nazareth Lodge on the Ormeau Road. Generally it was not something they spoke about.
There was also St Joseph's baby home on Ravenhill Road, next door to St Monica's.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: the buckcat on May 19, 2009, 12:32:25 AM
A LOT OF CASES OF CRUELTY TO CHILDREN IS NOW COMING OUT ABOUT THOSE PLACES,THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY ABOUT IT ALL IS, HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS THE POCKET, CLAIM FOR CHILD ABUSE SO MUCH OF IT WENT ON IN THOSE SCHOOLS AND ORPHANAGES, IT IS NOW LEGENDRY :-\ :-[

(http://http: [b]Take a look at the post Fire in Cavan Orphanage.[/b])
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: the buckcat on May 19, 2009, 12:34:50 AM
Take a look at the post Fire in Cavan orphanage.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 19, 2009, 12:52:50 AM
Hi, I grew up in Naz/Lodge for nearly 13yrs. I was mostly in Sister Ambroses group. I would love to find any of my friends from that era...up until 1984
By the way I really gave the nuns a hard time...however, in my opinion they had a really hard job to do and did thier best
 with what they had...people should not be so quick to judge others..you know what He says "let them without sin cast the first stone" ???
also, is thier any of the staff out there?

Hopefully this answers your concerns... :)buckcat.....they were different times with different standards. .however it was not a terribly happy existence :D
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: JohnnyBGood on May 22, 2009, 10:15:44 AM
 I was in the lodge early 60's. A lot of guff out there about cruel, heartless, catholic clergy and nuns. Gold diggers chasing compo. Where would we have been without these nuns? The Sound of Music , it wasn't, for sure.  but neither was it as nazi as many are desperate and delighted to believe , especially liberal secularists with mighty sharp axes to grind and rabidly anti Catholic agendas.  Life in the 50's 60's was still quite Victorian in ways, and  physical abuse was the norm in many homes and certainly sanctioned in state schools also, with canes, straps, beatings! Why isn't every kid from every  state school in the country being encouraged to seek 'compensation'? Most were physically 'abused',( it used to be called  corporal punishment.... and was quite legal!) humiliated and scorned by teachers, often. It wasn't considered 'abuse' in those days and the government was quite happy to encourage such methods.
How come it's only the religious orders that are being got at?
The sex abuse, where it occurred, was homo in nature.  'nuff said'. How come the media don't shout about that aspect of the story? The nasty reality about  a favoured sub culture doesn't suit their editors it seems.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: tomato on May 22, 2009, 04:45:35 PM
well said father john ;)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 23, 2009, 12:53:31 AM
J.B.G.   In relation to what was happening in society then you would be correct however we do expect more from clergy and religious people than from the ordinary person and that is were they failed and failed their church also. ;)

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: JohnnyBGood on May 23, 2009, 01:20:34 PM
A percentage of the religious overstepped the mark, it seems.
But not all of them. Why is every last priest, brother, nun being
tarred with the same brush. May as well villify all teachers or whatever profession, for the actions of 'some'. And the historical context is very
important. Corporal punishment was 'the norm' back then. Investigate any
non religious institution of the time and guaranteed you'd find exactly the same.
I was NEVER badly treated....and only saw'abuse' in non religious state school!
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 23, 2009, 03:30:25 PM
J.B.G. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS...WE ALL CARRY THE CAN.

It's a touchy subject but you seem to have survived and I appreciate your comments. ;) :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: JohnnyBGood on May 23, 2009, 05:58:26 PM
Put similar amounts of money on the table for good stories from the orphanages
and guaranteed you'd have no shortage of  positive reports.
The nuns were understaffed and likely unpaid, 24/7 looking after literally hundreds and hundreds of screaming abandoned kids.   And that was their lot til retirement. Many of them died and were buried on site.
And now they're being spat on by' holier than thous' for all those years of  dedication and thankless hell.
How many of those who are so hypocritically 'shocked and horrified' would last 1 week in those circumstances, without throwing a wobbly?
Give me a break. I was there. It wasn't like the media and some 'claimants' are making  out. Some nuns were colder and harsher than others but none were 'bad', in my experience. But there's no money in that story.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Kateme on May 23, 2009, 08:46:26 PM
Put similar amounts of money on the table for good stories from the orphanages
and guaranteed you'd have no shortage of  positive reports.
The nuns were understaffed and likely unpaid, 24/7 looking after literally hundreds and hundreds of screaming abandoned kids.   And that was their lot til retirement. Many of them died and were buried on site.
And now they're being spat on by' holier than thous' for all those years of  dedication and thankless hell.
How many of those who are so hypocritically 'shocked and horrified' would last 1 week in those circumstances, without throwing a wobbly?
Give me a break. I was there. It wasn't like the media and some 'claimants' are making  out. Some nuns were colder and harsher than others but none were 'bad', in my experience. But there's no money in that story.
Johnny:  I appreciate your perspective very much.   It is too easy to tar all clergy with the same brush.  You are right - not all clergy were or are bad - at least none I had were bad. I had more of a hard time with lay people in school.  There are many people who jump on the bandwagon to criticize catholic priests and nuns.  Child abuse raises its ugly head in all religions and in public schools.  We just don't hear about it. It would be meaningful to hear about all the good they have done in the past and now do around the world - going into places many of us would never venture. Having said that, here in the US, many Catholics are very angry at the bishops who covered up stories of abuse.  Because of that, money is not given as freely as before.  It's good to hear both sides of the story. :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: JohnnyBGood on May 24, 2009, 10:34:13 AM
Kateme: much appreciated support. The lynch mob has used up nearly every tree in Ireland to hang the reputations of hundreds and hundreds of dedicated clergy. 'Crucify him, crucify him' is what i hear behind most of the media whipped up coverage.
It certainly shouldn't have been covered up, but the stuff that went on elsewhere has not been investigated or had millions of euro inducement thrown at it. You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Plummer on May 28, 2009, 04:52:00 PM
I went to a school run by the de la salle brothers and I never suffered any physical or psychological abuse from the brothers who were teachers. Having said that I must strongly disagree with J.B.G's analysis for a number of reasons:

Firstly: When abuse was found there was a SYSTEMATIC cover up to protect the abusers!! Not every priest or nun was/is an abuser but the entire system was designed to protect the abusers at the expense of the victims who were children!!

So many kids were ignored by other clergy members or not believed by their own parents, who naively thought that the church would never allow such abuse to exist, let alone permit it to continue for years. Many of the priests and nuns, when under investigation, were not even suspended from duty and were allowed to be in contact with children for very long periods of time! When so many abuses were raised, as in South America, the church authorities simply "moved" the abuser to another parish! The abuser was protected. All this was a systematic cover up.

Regardless if the Kids are a pain in the [censored] it is NO excuse to "throw a wobbly" which could scar a child for life! These guys are meant to be even more caring and considerate than the average human being and are meant to espouse values of morals and ethics!! Which in many cases is laughable! Nobody forced any of these nuns and priests into the Church. They were not conscripted!! And many of them, if not most of them, were untrained to "deal with" children. If it is "a true calling" then they should really think about whether they can deal with life in the church!! Did any of them ask themselves "Can I really do this job?" or "Am I doing this for the right reasons?" And if the church can't properly train them to deal with difficult situations involving kids then, guess what, the church shouldn't allow them anywhere near kids!! It is not a difficult concept to grasp!!

Secondly: Abuse in the church is very different to corporal punishment in that the parents and society in general KNEW what was going on in schools. They elected their government who had presided over corporal punishment and when corporal punishment was becoming "over used" and "first port of call" for teachers who couldn't deal with disobedient children, a campaign was launched to stop it and Parliament did and teachers are now trained in child protection! AWARENESS brought change!! But, until very recently, this was never done in the Church who for decades didn't even acknowledge that there was a problem in the first place!!

Thirdly: To answer the question about whether people who have been abused under corporal punishment should come forward and take their abusers to court - simply YES! Why the hell not? They have to be held accountable for their actions!!

It annoys me when people say its the liberal left, the populist media, or the lynch mob. I simply believe that accountability is the pillar in democracy - regardless if a prime-minister lies to go to war, or if a politician steals tax payers money to extend their house, or if a doctor kills dozens of his patients, or a teacher beats a child, or a priest beats a child! ALL should be held accountable to the people for their actions! Just because they wear a white collar and are called priests does not make them our superiors or that they have automatic respect. Respect is earned and the church, because of the abuse scandals (and a number of other things throughout history) have earned little respect in the western world! The abuse scandal is just another example of the church's inability to function by the laws it preaches to others!

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: glenb on May 28, 2009, 07:17:33 PM
Plummer I agree with you that accountability is paramount and required for anyone involved especially those in the charge of children

I think that what we're all saying is that there's good and bad people involved, unfortunatly the good are forgotten and get lumped in with the bad...

I remember well friends that were sent to the "bad boys' home, which I don't remember where it was, but when they got back they were very changed people, a bit like battle shocked, granted it wasn't the orphanage but it was run by the state or church, some told me later of the positive side but others I wont even go into

Again, there's good and bad, but the system should not be devised to hide perpetrators of violence or malice agreed
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 29, 2009, 01:44:34 AM
Plummer your reply states a lot and is very good,but there is good and bad and we have to remember the good as well.  Unfortunately a lot of what you say is correct and the church ( priests and Bishops)had respect and then lost most of it because of recent scandals.   ;)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Stacey on May 29, 2009, 03:23:24 AM
Hi, i'm not from Ireland, nor have i ever been (though i want to!!!) But my Gran and Mum were born and bred there. and thats why i'm on this site.

My Granmother had a baby put in Nazareth lodge, Her name was Winnifred Shannon and was born November 1955. Gran took her there when Winni was about 1 because she was receiving threats of arrest because she was a single mother. The woman who had been helping her look after the baby was arrested on trumped up charges...and things happened, so anyway, Gran went to the orphanage and signed some papers. Winnifred was adopted in the first week of being there. Gran went back when she got married to my grandad, trying to get her back, but the baby was already gone. Gran hasn't stopped looking for her.

Do any of you know if there are any records, anything that can help find out where she went?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Plummer on May 29, 2009, 03:43:10 AM
I completely agree with these comments! Too often, those who REALLY didn't do anything wrong are lumped together with the abusers! But Again, this raises two points which interest me:

How many people knew of the abuse but didn't do anything, or enough, to prevent/stop it? (which i think must be alot if 500 members of the clergy were allowed to get away with abuse for many many years (depending on whether the recent report is accurate) - i think this number may actually be conservative! If this is the case then there are innocent members of the clergy, but perhaps there may not be as many as we would like to believe!!

Also, it brings a larger point into question. Even if there are members of the clergy who are completely innocent and knew of the abuses, but not of any particular abuse, why still continue to be a member of a church which is so corrupt by covering it up?? Surely if they are kind and giving people there are 1000s of charities to get involved in, or if they wanted to devote themselves entirely to God why do they need a church hierarchy to do it!! Surely one can devote one's life to god without having to join a church! To me its abit like those German soldiers who claimed to have no idea of what was going on inside concentration camps!

Although this is an extreme example the point is the same - there are few REAL innocent people who did not know what was going, there are many "innocent" people who are "guilty" by inaction, self-delusion, or by supportive association, and then there are the real guilty people who carried out the acts!

We can't say that MOST of the clergy are innocent because the fact of the matter is we really do not know! Who did the abuse? Who pro-actively covered it up? Who indirectly allowed it to continue by doing nothing? Any how many people does that leave who are really innocent!

Our personal experiences are not enough!! By the way - how many members of the church approached the police about the abuse? It looks very bad that most of these scandals had to be brought kicking and screaming into the public domain. If there were so many innocent members of clergy, where were they when this was going on? Where was the cry of outrage from within the church during the past 50 years before the media got involved!

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 29, 2009, 04:09:20 AM
I think, that there was a law and if not it was prac tice that the orphanage gave the parents details to the girl whever she turned 17.   Did your gran move house because the girl could have been looking forher.  You could try the diocesan offices for records but I think the law now says that the child makes any decision about contact now as she was given up and adopted and looked after by other people.  I am sure that someone else will know where the Down & Connor office details.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 29, 2009, 04:14:49 AM
Plummer.....you are on the wrong thread to post these remarks. .this is a person trying to trace someone....if you can't help her please don't take this thread away from it's point.  Try the original thread about child abuse. ;)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Stacey on May 29, 2009, 04:25:33 AM
So when she turned 17 she would have been given details? Gran moved to Australia with my Grandad when my mum was 15....so i think she would have been in Australia when Gran's daughter was 17... I've tried the adoption website for Ireland, and it has a form you fill out if you are a relative wanting to join the register...but Gran doesn't seem to have their birth certificates. It's horrible to think she might have looked for her and thought Gran didn't care...
thanks for your help! i'll try the diocesan office? not sure what that is, but with the magic of google, it'll be good. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 29, 2009, 04:34:46 AM
Stacey,  Try the "Diocese of Down & Connor "website which might be a starting point for you.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Stacey on May 29, 2009, 04:36:12 AM
You are wonderful!
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on May 29, 2009, 06:06:54 AM
I know that??????...The place that the child may have been left might have been St Joseph's babies home which seemingly was next door however as children grew she would have transferred across. ;)

If you can't find anything on the D &C website I think that there is a press officer or a contact us button on the site.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: kathleen 63 on May 29, 2009, 05:30:38 PM
does anyone remember the maughan family who was in nazareth lodge in the care of the sisters of nazareth.there was eleven in the family and they were from a traveling background or so called gypsys as the nuns called us.dated from late 60s to 80s
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: old wallion on May 29, 2009, 07:24:57 PM
I did some maintenance work in Nazareth House the old folks home in the 80s and there was also a Childrens wing called St Annes  I would often read the archive diarys of all the names of children who stayed in St Josephs and N" Lodge. I would expect that these books are now in Nazareth care village which is now built on the site where N"Lodge  was. :) A nun called SR MALACHIS rings a bell to me from the  :) :)books i read.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: kathleen 63 on May 31, 2009, 03:41:55 PM
can i go to ireland and see these records in naz lodge care village
as they are very important to my family history.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: bhelena on May 31, 2009, 07:11:02 PM
Hi, i'm not from Ireland, nor have i ever been (though i want to!!!) But my Gran and Mum were born and bred there. and thats why i'm on this site.

My Granmother had a baby put in Nazareth lodge, Her name was Winnifred Shannon and was born November 1955. Gran took her there when Winni was about 1 because she was receiving threats of arrest because she was a single mother. The woman who had been helping her look after the baby was arrested on trumped up charges...and things happened, so anyway, Gran went to the orphanage and signed some papers. Winnifred was adopted in the first week of being there. Gran went back when she got married to my grandad, trying to get her back, but the baby was already gone. Gran hasn't stopped looking for her.

Do any of you know if there are any records, anything that can help find out where she went?
Stacey your story is so sad I really do wish you luck in your quest all the very best...
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: JohnnyBGood on June 12, 2009, 02:01:10 PM
76,500Euro is the average payout for a claim to the redress board. Upwards of a billion Euro in the fund!
People whose claims were found to be unsubstantiated by proper legal courts went to the redress board and ofcourse were compensated.  breaking the hearts of the wrongfully accused. How abusive is it when your life's work and reputation have been vindicated by a court of law and then stamped on by
a  loaded 'redress' board?
No one said there wasn't any unacceptable coverup, or that some of the accused are profoundly guilty.
What has been completely and deliberately 'forgotten' is that many, many thousands of unwanted ,broken
Irish kids were given a chance in life and fed, watered and educated by hundreds of hardworking, innocent, now all assumed to be guilty( without trial) 'demonic' Catholic clergy. That is the real thrust of the media reporting and the message which is being willingly promoted worldwide.
Put up a billionEuro fund for neutral or positive feedback.  and get the whole picture. We do not live in 1960's Mississippi, so  be very careful of being handed  and encouraged to use, 'a rope' . Step back and think for yourself whilst NEVER denying that wrong did take place. ... in all institutions religious or otherwise, Irish, British, Russian, Chinese, SeboCroat etc.etc.etc. at that time.  and  certainly today also. This idea that it is
'Catholicism'  and ALL  'the  religious' only to blame,  is obviously the brainchild of  ...
no prizes for guessing.
And so many are delighted with the chance to get stuck in.  'crucify him', 'crucify him'  
'they're all the same. .',  'bleed them dry. ', 
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on June 12, 2009, 02:14:16 PM
J.B.G.    i CAN understand which side of the fence, so to speak, that you are from but your post is one of the best that I have read on this forum in recent times.
Sam.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Kateme on June 12, 2009, 02:53:48 PM
JBG - I concur.  Abuse occurs in ALL religions and ethnicities.  Can we not go on?  It seems that this topic is the favorite of some who have noticeable biases.

Good luck and God Speed Stacey.  I hope you are successful with your seach.  I am glad there are so many avenues out there for people to look for relatives.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: stow on June 12, 2009, 04:01:57 PM
Hi
   Did anyone out there work in Nazareth house in the 80s??? :)
Terry McCauley worked there for years
              he was there when i was in the home.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: stow on June 12, 2009, 04:29:37 PM
does anyone remember the maughan family who was in nazareth lodge in the care of the sisters of nazareth.there was eleven in the family and they were from a traveling background or so called gypsys as the nuns called us.dated from late 60s to 80s
Me & my brothers & sisters were in the
              lodge my brother was there the longest
              he's called Tony Stow but they called him (Anthony)
              when i was there i remember a frankie maughan & i
              think he had an older sister called teresa im positive
              there was a big family but i cant remember the rest of
              their names. hopefully it's the same family would love
              to know whatever happened to them all. kate
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: old wallion on June 12, 2009, 11:28:34 PM
Terry McCauley worked there for years
              he was there when i was in the home.
knew Terry very well and he worked in Naz house and was brought up in Naz lodge from childhood. I did some work there in the 70s and 80s. :) :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: old wallion on June 12, 2009, 11:33:15 PM
Stow, Did you know Robert o Conner who was in the lodge in the early 70s and came from Derry. He was an apprentice of mine. A good guy  
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: kathleen 63 on June 21, 2009, 07:18:56 PM
hi tony this is kathleen maughan do remember you.my brothers were in the same group as you franco and charlie.yes we remember terry and he is still living in belfast and working with the nuns.if you want to speak more send e.mail address.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: JohnnyBGood on June 26, 2009, 12:49:46 PM
Good to see that people out there do have minds of their own to analyse the Ryan Report and question the absence of perspective in the media coverage.
Much harm was surely done by evil people 'religious' included HOWEVER.... the stats reflect my comments and my personal experience of the time:
of all the accusations 12% were of rape
                                   12% were against 'priests'
                                   88% were of physical abuse
                                   82% related to before 1970
I pointed out that attitudes to physical abuse pre mid 1970's were very much different to today.
'Corporal punishment' was legal and encouraged by the state.... across many countries, nomatter their religion.
Many of the accused are not around to defend themselves and the Redress Board has paid out to people
whose claims in courts of law were deemed to be false or unreliable. Ask yourself 'why'?
There was no such thing as 'training' for child care back in the 30's to 60's. Touchy feely wasn't something people understood in those years.( No excuse for evil ofcourse, but puts 'physical abuse' in a clearer perspective)
The continual efforts to cover up or protect offenders over the years is ofcourse unacceptable and partly explains why the church is not  even attempting to  publicly defend its innocent of the time. From one grave mistake to another, in my opinion.
And my last word    even  of the 12 apostles, hand chosen by Jesus of Nazareth , 1 gave in to evil.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: PaddyConlon on July 01, 2009, 05:25:51 PM
I remember Tony Stow and Tommy Maughan both good lads
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: PaddyConlon on July 01, 2009, 05:29:40 PM
What happened to the Mckittricks/Jordens, Tony Mccormick, Louie Tohill and any of the Staff you worked their?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: julie gartland on July 08, 2009, 03:27:29 PM
to paddy conlan hi julie gartland  and 2 sisters where in st ambrose group up till 1980s till 1981  would u please contact me on 07517828771 as io would like to here from u as i cant get near a pc at mo useing mates pc so if u could contact me threw moblie
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: julie gartland on July 09, 2009, 10:23:10 AM
Hi, I grew up in Naz/Lodge for nearly 13yrs. I was mostly in Sister Ambroses group. I would love to find any of my friends from that era...up until 1984
By the way I really gave the nuns a hard time...however, in my opinion they had a really hard job to do and did thier best
 with what they had...people should not be so quick to judge others..you know what He says "let them without sin cast the first stone" ???
also, is thier any of the staff out there?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: julie gartland on July 09, 2009, 10:26:19 AM
to shyirishgirl, im not near the pc very often, tex me  07517828771 and the goes to any one else the i no 4m the home, ,,so paddy get ur bkside in gear and   tex me, if u ever get bk on line the is,,  anyway have fun,,,
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Mooney on July 09, 2009, 09:31:07 PM
i went to the Orphanage with my sister in 1945 for midnight Mass at Christmas. It snowed while we were at Mass and was the most beautiful untrodden snow I had ever seen. An old sister showed us around the orphanage. I was frightened (I was only 9) to see how the little infants raised their arms out to be held or touched
Yony Mooney
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Erincyprus on July 09, 2009, 10:21:59 PM
My Aunt Kathleen Griffin worked as a Child Care Nurse in Naz for many years.  She is now 75 Years old and comes to my Mums every Wednesday so I will ask her what she remembers most about the Childrens Home.  I know she always prays every day for all the Children she cared for there and has done most od her life.

Erin.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: millview on July 10, 2009, 07:23:47 PM
If you need record from Nazareth House try this it work for me.

write to
 Nazareth House Care Village
516 Ravenhill Road
Belfast
Bt6 0BW

My G Grandmother was in it from 1892 to 1897 and i was sent the record, but i did put 10 in with my letter.

Nazareth House was situated in Ormeau road which is adjacent to Ravenhill road.

Hope this will help someone.

Millview

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: youngdrum on July 10, 2009, 10:55:04 PM
 Hi Paddy,
i grew up at 109 South Parade and spent from the early seventies to 1983 hanging around with some of of the kids from the " lodge ". I went to St.Michaels and remeber Tony McCormicks first day in new school. He came in i guess around P4 OR 5  and you know kids dont like new kids !! Tony was fighting everyone for few weeks !! He won most of them !! tough wee nut !! The Jordans also i remeber well David was the older one and Robert was the younger one. Decent table tennis players.. good kids.. Frankie Maughan saved a few of us from a good kicking one time at the old Ormeau swimmers.. we were surrounded by a few guys from the " Pass " but Frankie stepped in and he always looked a lot older than he was so i think scared them off !!!! Do you remember Marty Gorman ? PJ Little ?
Regards..
Conor Drummond
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: old wallion on July 11, 2009, 12:13:42 PM
Hi Paddy,
i grew up at 109 South Parade and spent from the early seventies to 1983 hanging around with some of of the kids from the " lodge ". I went to St.Michaels and remeber Tony McCormicks first day in new school. He came in i guess around  :)House in the 70s
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: old wallion on July 11, 2009, 12:17:35 PM
Hi Paddy,
i grew up at 109 South Parade and spent from the early seventies to 1983 hanging around with some of of the kids from the " lodge ". I went to St.Michaels and remeber Tony McCormicks first day in new school. He came in i guess around P4 OR 5  and you know kids dont like new kids !! Tony was fighting everyone for few weeks !! He won most of them !! tough wee nut !! The Jordans also i remeber well David was the older one and Robert was the younger one. Decent table tennis players.. good kids.. Frankie Maughan saved a few of us from a good kicking one time at the old Ormeau swimmers.. we were surrounded by a few guys from the " Pass " but Frankie stepped in and he always looked a lot older than he was so i think scared them off !!!! Do you remember Marty Gorman ? PJ Little ?
Regards..
Conor Drummond
YD, are you related to Paddy Drummond who was Caretaker of Nazareth House in the 70s. Sorry about the last thread dont know what happened  :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: dipylidium on July 11, 2009, 12:20:00 PM
I used to collect blackberrys in the cow field at the back of st augustine's.  There was no school there but there was a place were we took the blackberrys and the nuns brought us in and let us see the children,,,, Blue cots and pink cots in the rooms.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on July 11, 2009, 01:26:49 PM
Would that have been St Joseph's Babies home and not the Lodge?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: teragram on July 12, 2009, 10:00:29 AM
There was a man on Radio Ulster this morning at 9.35 describing the time he spent in Nazareth lodge from 1937 til 1941.   He had a horrendous time at the hands of one particular nun, sister Hilda,  (  I think surname Gartland ).  That nun is in hell.  He said in the whole place, there was only one good nun, and she was Sister Colombus.
The cruelty that was handed out to that man by Hilda, and some older boys, with her consent, wasn't normal.  For anyone interested, if there's a repeat of that radio program you should listen out for it.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: hcoid on August 08, 2009, 05:57:19 PM
Eleanor asked about a children's home near Skegoniel. Eleanor I think it was along the Somerton Road and I know that I did volunteer work there with the girl guides but I can't remember its name either! Can anyone help?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: just sixty on August 08, 2009, 08:01:49 PM
I remember in the fifties my mum hosted two brothers from nazareth lodge orphanage for christmas.  I think they were called Nolan to their surname.  There were eight of us already in the house and mum said there's room for another.  So we got one brother and a neighbour up the street got the other brother.  They cried when the had to go back.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: donna downey on August 17, 2009, 11:59:21 PM
hi my mom was there in the 50's and 60's does anyone remember her. Mary philomena Prendergast, she had two brothers in care also John and Oliver. Both mom and Oliver are now deceased. Can anyone out there please help me, big void in my life and need to know about her early life.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: paul lennon on August 20, 2009, 05:26:36 PM
my grandfather frank mcnally was at nazereth in the late 30's or early 40's along with his sister mary and brother patrick.. anyone out there remember them.. thanks
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: mickeybo on September 08, 2009, 11:08:49 AM
HI MY NAME IS MICHAEL, SURNAME WAS GUERIN WHEN I WAS IN NAZARETH LODGE.  I WAS IN SR ANGUS GROUP. WAS THERE FROM 1971 -1978. HAD 2 SISTERS IN THERE TOO, ANN AND ELIZABETH. I REMEMBER TONY MCCORMICK, STEPHEN HEGARTY, BRENDAN AND FELIX ROCKS, CHARLIE AND FRANKIE MAUGHAN. ANY 1 REMEMBER ME DROP ME A WEE LINE
MANY THANKS, MICHAEL
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: floral on September 08, 2009, 04:29:52 PM
Eleanor asked about a children's home near Skegoniel. Eleanor I think it was along the Somerton Road and I know that I did volunteer work there with the girl guides but I can't remember its name either! Can anyone help?

Got a bit of information from another Forum member. There was a childrens home called Brefine on the Somerton Road and also St. Aloysius Home. Hope this helps. Floral.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: OLD ST.MALS GAL on September 08, 2009, 10:06:23 PM
My Granny lived at Markets all her life and for as long as I can remember she always had young boys who were the age to leave Nazareth Lodge lodged with her when they first found work.  She treated whose boys like her own though she was strict with them!  She was first approached by a priest who worked closely with the Lodge via St.Malachys Church to take in her first lodger and after that she took in more over the years. A lot of them would come back & visit her and she was fond of them all.
One remained with her for about 30 years until her death.  I believe he (Joe) still lives at the Markets and our family remember him fondly.  Joe if you are reading this, hello from all the Boyles and hope you are well and taking care of yourself.
Lovely memories of Stewart Street

M
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: tomato on September 08, 2009, 10:43:49 PM
think ur talking about joe hanratty some photos of him on who do u know from the market
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: OLD ST.MALS GAL on September 08, 2009, 10:58:39 PM
Tomato
Thanks, yes I have seen them and also spotted one of my Granny!!
The Markets site is great.  I have my family in USA hooked on it as the older ones in the family were born at the Markets and also the family have strong links with St. Mal  GAC.
If you see Joe, would you let him know we all often think of him

  M
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge & st josephs babies home.
Post by: D0TC0M on October 08, 2009, 08:35:55 PM
hi guys
i myself was in st josephs from sept 1975-may 1976 i seen the spotlight program last night and it has made me think more about finding info on the place any 1 can help me out please drop me a line.
dec
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: lagan on October 25, 2009, 01:28:49 AM
I was in nazareth lodge late 70s and 80s would like to get in touch with lost friends. Also went to St Michaels school and St Monicas. I was not alone, my sister and two brothers were there too, in Sister Michaels group
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: youngdrum on October 25, 2009, 02:57:58 PM
Hi there,
can i ask your name ? i lived across from Naz lodge and remember plenty from the late 70s early 80s..

cd
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: lagan on October 26, 2009, 02:13:37 AM
I was in the bethlehem group i think. sister michael was in charged
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: lagan on October 26, 2009, 02:20:59 AM
I remember your brother anthony, but was it not tommy maughan. There was another lad there for years called francie mc Intee
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: lagan on October 26, 2009, 02:22:30 AM
kitkat i was there 79 to 84
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Michael Maisey on September 05, 2010, 12:58:38 PM
Me & my brothers & sisters were in the
              lodge my brother was there the longest
              he's called Tony Stow but they called him (Anthony)
              when i was there i remember a frankie maughan & i
              think he had an older sister called teresa im positive
              there was a big family but i cant remember the rest of
              their names. hopefully it's the same family would love
              to know whatever happened to them all. kate
I am the son of Theresa Maughan, anyone who remembers my family please get in touch would be great to hear from anyone who remembers my uncles and aunties. 07850 331 375
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: kaggie68 on December 05, 2010, 02:00:15 PM
Does anyone have any memoiries of Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast between the years of 1947 till 1953 please/ My name was Patrick J. Murtagh I was put into the orphanage aged 2weeks
old and left the home at 6years and 3months to live with adoptive parents.
Sadly I do not have any recollection of my time in the home other than having my ears pulled and pulled along the corridor by an Nun.
Paddy
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: kaggie68 on December 05, 2010, 02:04:16 PM
Hello my name is karen and I was just looking to find information regarding my mother margaret's brother who was put in the nazareth lodge as a baby during this time. Her brother's name was patrick joseph and she would like to find him.I just saw this message and I was wondering is your name patrick joseph? Do you have any knowledge of whether you have a sister?
Thankyou.I hope to hear from you soon.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: PaulineRooney on January 18, 2011, 03:18:01 PM
HI MY NAME IS MICHAEL, SURNAME WAS GUERIN WHEN I WAS IN NAZARETH LODGE.  I WAS IN SR ANGUS GROUP. WAS THERE FROM 1971 -1978. HAD 2 SISTERS IN THERE TOO, ANN AND ELIZABETH. I REMEMBER TONY MCCORMICK, STEPHEN HEGARTY, BRENDAN AND FELIX ROCKS, CHARLIE AND FRANKIE MAUGHAN. ANY 1 REMEMBER ME DROP ME A WEE LINE
MANY THANKS, MICHAEL

HI there new to this forum, not sure im doing this right, i know Brendan and felix rocks, they are my uncles, and they were in nazareth lodge.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: me.co.uk on January 23, 2011, 01:26:10 AM
anyone remember a  nun called  sister joseph anthony in the 70s??
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Erincyprus on January 23, 2011, 03:18:51 PM
Hello my name is karen and I was just looking to find information regarding my mother margaret's brother who was put in the nazareth lodge as a baby during this time. Her brother's name was patrick joseph and she would like to find him.I just saw this message and I was wondering is your name patrick joseph? Do you have any knowledge of whether you have a sister?
Thankyou.I hope to hear from you soon.

You can contact the Order of Nuns who hold the Records directly in writing.  I will get the address and pm you later my Cousin has been in touch with them recently kaggie68.
 
Erin
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: hcoid on January 24, 2011, 06:55:23 PM
Think the home down The somerton road was called Brefne anyone remember it what was it? An orphanage?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Erincyprus on January 24, 2011, 07:08:39 PM
Records Information write to:
 
Mother Superior
Nazareth Lodge
516 Ravenhill Road
Belfast
BT60BX
 
Telephone 02890491356
 
My Cousin dealt with them recently and had to put her request in writing to the above.
 
Erin
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Dot/dash on January 24, 2011, 11:39:46 PM
Hello Paddy47, so very sorry you have sad memories of Nazareth Lodge. My grand aunt was a sister there for part of your stay.  Her name was Sr. Killian and she was the shortest nun there.  I've often wondered if she was as kind to the children in her care as as she was to me.  There were times when I was allowed to go there and help. 0ne thing to this day that I cannot forget was the sterility of the baby dorms. Do you think you would recognise her in a photograph? regards Dorothy
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: socio on January 25, 2011, 03:21:08 PM
I worked in an office which prepared the weekly wages for the staff at Nazareth Lodge in the 80s. I remember a Mr Masterson, I think he was a manager of sorts.
Sometimes I had to to see the Mother Superior which was a gaunting exercise for a young lad, it was a really mysterious place.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: irish dance on January 25, 2011, 09:48:17 PM
Hello Paddy47, so very sorry you have sad memories of Nazareth Lodge. My grand aunt was a sister there for part of your stay.  Her name was Sr. Killian and she was the shortest nun there.  I've often wondered if she was as kind to the children in her care as as she was to me.  There were times when I was allowed to go there and help. 0ne thing to this day that I cannot forget was the sterility of the baby dorms. Do you think you would recognise her in a photograph? regards Dorothy
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Hi Dorothy,  I knew Sister Killian quite well, herself and another nun collected for Nazareth Lodge in our area back in the 40's/50's.  My Father would go now and again to help feed the babies and when I was born Sister Killian asked him if I would take the name Killian for my Confirmation, which i did.  From what I remember she was about 4ft 10inch tall and a
gentle sole and I am sure she treated the babies with kindness.
 
Regards  Irish Dance
 
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: LEAH1977 on February 02, 2011, 01:25:03 AM
MY GRANNY WORKED IN THE KITCHEN.  SHE WAS CALLED MOLLY.  WE USE VISIT NAZARETH LODGE
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Dot/dash on February 02, 2011, 11:35:41 AM
MY GRANNY WORKED IN THE KITCHEN.  SHE WAS CALLED MOLLY.  WE USE VISIT NAZARETH LODGE
[/quote
 
Do you remeber a Sr. Killian when you visited? D.]
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: mauram on February 02, 2011, 10:14:09 PM
MY GRANNY WORKED IN THE KITCHEN.  SHE WAS CALLED MOLLY.  WE USE VISIT NAZARETH LODGE
was her surname mc closkey
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: LEAH1977 on February 03, 2011, 03:56:40 PM
yes it was mc closkey,did u know her
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Chris on February 15, 2011, 07:06:36 PM
Many of the recent posts on this topic contain remarks which are either personal insults against other members or clearly inflammatory and designed to provoke a hostile reaction, both of which are against the forum rules.

I have therefore deleted the all the recent discussions regarding priests etc, to bring the topic back to the original thread.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: barry on February 15, 2011, 07:09:37 PM
Many of the recent posts on this topic contain remarks which are either personal insults against other members or clearly inflammatory and designed to provoke a hostile reaction, both of which are against the forum rules.

I have therefore deleted the all the recent discussions regarding priests etc, to bring the topic back to the original thread.
 
 
 
   :good: :good:
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: irish dance on February 15, 2011, 07:17:02 PM
Many of the recent posts on this topic contain remarks which are either personal insults against other members or clearly inflammatory and designed to provoke a hostile reaction, both of which are against the forum rules.

I have therefore deleted the all the recent discussions regarding priests etc, to bring the topic back to the original thread.

 
 
 
 :clapping: :clapping: 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: NICK MCCORMICK on February 20, 2011, 05:17:19 PM
Hi, I grew up in Naz/Lodge for nearly 13yrs. I was mostly in Sister Ambroses group. I would love to find any of my friends from that era...up until 1984
By the way I really gave the nuns a hard time...however, in my opinion they had a really hard job to do and did thier best
 with what they had...people should not be so quick to judge others..you know what He says "let them without sin cast the first stone" :scratch_ones_head:
also, is thier any of the staff out there?
ME and my sister julieann grew up in there to dont know if u remember us   were there few years funny thing i was just thinking about it last night thought i would look found this site on facebook
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Paddy Go Go on February 20, 2011, 05:34:13 PM
My friend was friends with a girl who was in Nazareth Lodge the girl in Nazareth Lodge was called Susan Sygne ( sorry if I've spelt that wrong ) wondering if any one knew her that would have been in mid 70s.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: noostyle on April 15, 2011, 06:37:02 PM
Hi Guys

I'm doing some research and thought of BF right away.  Do any of you know if there was a church on the grounds of Nazareth Lodge?  Anyone got any old photos of the place?

Thanks

P
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Erincyprus on April 15, 2011, 07:39:37 PM
Holy Rosary Chapel was next door to Nazereth Lodge Childrens Home Ormeau Road.  I was Baptised there.
 
 
 
Erin 
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: noostyle on April 15, 2011, 09:06:20 PM
Thanks Erin

Holy Rosary is still there afaik so I don't think that's what I'm looking for.

I'm now wondering if there would have been some sort of bell tower in Nazareth Lodge to let children know about meals, chores etc. Any ideas Erin - or anyone?

Thanks
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: BLOOMFIELD on April 15, 2011, 10:29:20 PM

I have therefore deleted the all the recent discussions regarding priests etc, to bring the topic back to the original thread.

You also posted

Quote
If someone here calls another member a 'sectarian

bigotted scum' it would be against the forum rules. Or if they

 are talking about someone who clearly doesn't deserve the

label then it could be regarded as inflammatory, ie intended

to cause an argument. In both cases it should be reported

for a moderator to deal with, not by attacking that poster on

 the boards and breaking the rules yourself.

If it is talking about a public figure with overt sectarian

views
or motives then it would not be against the forum

rules. If such figures make their views or actions public

then they should expect to receive brickbats as well as

bouquets.

If one does wrong, they should NOT be protected, no matter

 who they are. :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

That is what caused untold suffering, throughout the

World... :( :( :(
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Erincyprus on April 15, 2011, 11:23:18 PM
Very Rev. Patrick McKenna PP
Parish Priest
Holy Rosary Presbytery,
 503 Ormeau Road
Belfast, BT7 3GR
( 028 9064 2446
7  028 9064 9176

Erin
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Chris on April 16, 2011, 02:32:15 AM
You also posted

If one does wrong, they should NOT be protected, no matter

 who they are. :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

That is what caused untold suffering, throughout the

World... :( :( :(

You didn't quote my post in full. >:( The posts were deleted not to protect the priest, but because they were personal attacks, inflammatory, and off-topic. The topic is about member's memories of Nazareth Lodge, not what the priests did.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: BLOOMFIELD on April 16, 2011, 02:50:09 AM
You didn't quote my post in full. :angry2: The posts were deleted not to protect the priest, but because they were personal attacks, inflammatory, and off-topic. The topic is about member's memories of Nazareth Lodge, not what the priests did.

If someone was interested in reading your full post, they

were able to do so.. all they had to do was click on your

partial quote ( which I posted ) :scratch_ones_head: ::)

Sorry, I don't follow your LOGIC     

Wouldn't, what the PRIESTS ( or NUNS ) did, be part of the

 MEMORIES.

The THREAD TITLE is--------

" Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfas (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10967.msg872560.html#msg872560)t "

This is part of the memories

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/clerical-abuse-northern-ireland-victims-fight-back-14536353.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/clerical-abuse-northern-ireland-victims-fight-back-14536353.html)

If certain individual's sensibilities are offended by

unsavory revelations  --- GOOD ----, so they should be.

But let them direct their protestations and anger towards

the  correct source; the Organizations that carried out those

unsavory deeds, and the People who conspired to cover up

those deeds.

NO MATTER WHO OR WHAT THAT IS. :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

 
PLEASE, do NOT class this post as " MOD BASHING ",

I am
trying to engage in a

LOGICAL / RATIONAL, DISCUSSION.

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on April 16, 2011, 03:00:25 AM
Thanks Erin

Holy Rosary is still there afaik so I don't think that's what I'm looking for.

I'm now wondering if there would have been some sort of bell tower in Nazareth Lodge to let children know about meals, chores etc. Any ideas Erin - or anyone?

Thanks

Noostyle,

I think that there was a private chapel for the nuns.  They had a chaplain when the place was open.  Someone else who knows the place better might know ;)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Chris on April 16, 2011, 10:03:25 AM

Wouldn't, what the PRIESTS ( or NUNS ) did, be part of the

 MEMORIES.


Because this thread is about the recollections of our members about the lodge. If they wanted to reminisce about the priests I'm sure they would. It's not for people to hijack this thread like the last person did to create havoc with inflammatory posts, personal attacks and upsetting a lot of people. If you want to start a seperate topic about the priests then that's fine, but please don't falsely accuse me of protecting the priests.  >:(
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: apalachie on April 16, 2011, 06:51:24 PM

(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/2295/holyrosary.jpg) (http://)
Holy Rosary Chapel
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: apalachie on April 16, 2011, 06:52:23 PM

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5533/nazarethlodge1982.jpg) (http://)
Nazareth Lodge 1982
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: old wallion on April 16, 2011, 07:47:43 PM
Nazareth House was next door to the Holy Rosary church and there was a large chapel on the 1st floor, the Belltower was on the other side of the building across from the Good Shepard Convent. Nazareth House was an old folks home and the lodge was for children which was further down Ravenhill Road
Anyone out there work in Nazareth House????
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Mary K. Rossi on May 27, 2011, 11:21:59 PM
in the 1950s my aunts used to sell merchandise and any profits they made were used to buy toys at Christmas for the children at Nazareth Lodge.  I was jealous of those kids because they got more toys than I.  They also collected money for the Mater Hospital and Knock shrine.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aussietrekker on May 29, 2011, 12:35:24 PM
My Granda died in Nazareth House.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: ravenhill70 on July 25, 2011, 12:35:05 PM
Does anyone have photos of the old chapel in Nazareth Lodge? I remember going for confessions in there when I was in St Michael's, and going to mass too. I can remember a big wooden arch behind which the nuns sat at the back of it, and a creepy pieta there too. I also remember huge tall halls, an big green and red carpet, and a massive ugly cagey lift shaft in the middle of the stairs beside the front door. Anyway, if anyone has any pics to help me go on a wee trip down memory lane, give them a post. cheers
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: ravenhill70 on August 05, 2011, 03:42:58 PM
there was a pretty large chapel on the first floor of nazareth lodge, but no seperate one on the grounds
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: old wallion on August 05, 2011, 11:44:06 PM
there was a pretty large chapel on the first floor of nazareth lodge, but no seperate one on the grounds
The Chapel at Nazareth House was also large and on 1st floor.
Maybe you are thinking of this one.
  OW
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: julie gartland on August 06, 2011, 03:43:05 PM
apalachie.can u enlarge the picture of nazareth lodge for me pls and e,mail it to me., ta,
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: apalachie on August 06, 2011, 07:19:27 PM
apalachie.can u enlarge the picture of nazareth lodge for me pls and e,mail it to me., ta,
Sorry Julie, I don't have that pic in my collection anymore and because it is not a good pic it would pixilate if it were to be enlarged.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: apalachie on August 06, 2011, 07:23:43 PM

(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6715/lasalleorphansdec1980.jpg) (http://)

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9094/lasalleorphansincelticc.jpg) (http://)
La Salle orphans enjoying a Christmas party in the New Lodge Celtic club December 1980.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: julie gartland on August 10, 2011, 03:28:15 PM
i know everyone in them pictures lol, thank you,x
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: apalachie on August 12, 2011, 06:00:10 PM

(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/4728/ardoynesham.jpg) (http://)
La Salle orphans, Christmas party, Dec 80, Ardoyne Shamrock club.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: apalachie on August 12, 2011, 06:02:40 PM

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2779/lasalleardoynedec80.jpg) (http://)
La salle orphans with Mickey Marley's roundabout during their Christmas party at the Shamrock club 1980.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Kajorca on September 19, 2011, 11:12:42 PM
The home in the Somerton Road was called Brefne Residential Nursery for babies and young children up to the age of five. I worked there in the seventies and if there is anyone who also worked or lived there I would love to hear from you.

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: loney boy on November 17, 2011, 10:06:04 AM
I knew Gerry Masterson very well and see his family daily an absolute Gentleman and Frankie Maughn would he be about 40-50 ish if so i remember him ,does anyone remember the Pekes (spelling unsure off)Mary, Peter Johnny and Theresa they where from Africa and Gerard (Sausage) Donnelly
I worked in an office which prepared the weekly wages for the staff at Nazareth Lodge in the 80s. I remember a Mr Masterson, I think he was a manager of sorts.
Sometimes I had to to see the Mother Superior which was a gaunting exercise for a young lad, it was a really mysterious place.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: makeawishxx on December 07, 2011, 08:14:27 PM
Im trying to trace my brother Gerald O'Neill who was born in 1973 and was in St Josephs baby home from 1974 onwards and would be very grateful if anyone would have any information regarding him no matter how small.  He may have spent his life in care. If you were in the home in the 1970's during the transition from baby home to childrens home, are or know someone who worked there or maybe you know someone who may have some information, please contact me through here.  Thanks a lot for your time.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: loney boy on December 08, 2011, 12:02:56 AM
I will ask Gerrys family as they knew most of the kids ,and then let you know one way or another they might even know someone who can help you
Im trying to trace my brother Gerald O'Neill who was born in 1973 and was in St Josephs baby home from 1974 onwards and would be very grateful if anyone would have any information regarding him no matter how small.  He may have spent his life in care. If you were in the home in the 1970's during the transition from baby home to childrens home, are or know someone who worked there or maybe you know someone who may have some information, please contact me through here.  Thanks a lot for your time.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: hcoid on January 08, 2012, 05:44:32 PM
Did my guide special service in brefne, came from glengormley pres church. remeber it quite well.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: ni26 on January 21, 2012, 10:04:22 PM
Hi

I am looking to trace a Philomena Hickey, born in Sean Ross Abbey, Roslea, Ireland in 1935 and adopted from Nazareth Lodge in October 1942. I am not sure at what age she was sent to Nazareth Lodge. Finding it v difficult to uncover any information so any info would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: SF on April 17, 2012, 11:45:03 PM
Hi Vito
I am sure by now you have discovered where the records are.  I am interested in your post because my Dad also shows up there in the 1911 Census and, I think, his being sent there was also because his mother had died. He was Terence O'Connor. I don't suppose we are talking about the same person, are we?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: ashline on April 26, 2012, 12:55:42 AM
I was in st josephs babies home in1989-1994 I was seven when I first went there was in the very first unit never left til I was 12 we used to go over to Nazerth loge to go to chapel every sunday i  even remember when they built the skool beside it,  would love to find some people i used to live wit there i knew louise Mcbride and her brother steven  i remember a young lad called christopehr not to sur of his surname now but we used to call you the mily bar kid, it was a good home I remember the good times and the sad times too, reply to me if yer on this site if u knw me  :P :P :P
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: ashline on May 15, 2012, 09:51:58 PM
 :P :P :P  hi Sean Iwas in the home in the same years ur were there were you In Nazereth lodge?? I went there in 1989 I was seven I was in st.Josephs beside that we used to come over to Nazereth lodge on every Sunday to chapel,, I remember the place alot of children went to the same service on a sunday,, we had some laughs I was a bit of a mess thencause i was a kid and i remember i wasat the chapel and i said or done some thing and i got an awful telling off from the nerses the next ting I new were were going to chapel up in the other Natereth house on the Ourmeau Road to go to chapel Ialways thought it was my fault we moved but now im thinking it was for othr reasons we werent told,, I heard a few years back that the two homes were shut I was shocked,, NOW ive under stood why it was shut down,, but to be honest i never experienced any of those issues while I was there I had up and downs dont get me wrong but so would any kid being brought up in a home!!! I,m disgusted for those young children who suffered things like that especially when the were meant to be protected and well looked after from people of god,, Do u remember any one from St. josephs or even remember it  it would be nice to hear? I think the name sean fox rings a bell to me but I dont knw how,,  it would be nice to Hear from anyone who has any links with any staff member from St. josephs childrens home or some of the children who were there,, some of the staff were great there,, Ones I remember were Connie Mcveigh,, Mark Mckimmons,, Ray,, Pat Graham Adele and her sister,,
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: fatehasfans on May 22, 2012, 11:21:41 AM
Hi Ashline,
Yes, I used to go over to the Chapel every Sunday - then we would come home and be made to watch TV (I remember cakes and tea on Sunday evenings). There was a distinct smell in Nazereth House, similar to the smoking ashes that a priest would wave around during sermons. I'll always remember that in the small Church (though big at that time) there was a statue of Jesus on the cross at the front, it always fascinated me as a child (kinda creeps me out now when I think about it). But yes I think Nazereth House was used as a form of punishment, that if you were bold you would be sent over. Nothing ever bad happened to me there as far as I can remember but still after hearing why it had closed you begin to wonder.

On a brighter note, I think Connie McVeigh was the staff member who read to me - did she have blonde hair, small(ish) and stout(ish)? God I would love to get in touch with her, she really looked after me. Because its easy to forget that we were all children we weren't just objects that you could tell to stay in a room for hours on end we needed love and attention and she provided a lot of care and attention for which I will never forget, I would love to thank her.
I have a few photos, I'll post them soon.

P.S. Ohh another name I remember was Danny McGrillen - if that rings any bells.
Thanks again Ashline for getting in touch, if any other memories spring up let me know and I'll do the same.

Regards,
Sean
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: ashline on May 23, 2012, 11:03:54 PM
 :P :P :P hi sean yes thats probably why i was sent over there too then lol i was a bit of an angry kid not surprissing when  look back on things lol,,, but im at mi happest now tho,, and yea there was a distictive smell in Nazereth lodge to alrite when i come to think of it,, i always thought it of it as a bit of a scary place,, didnt think the nuns liked me either lol,, were u in St, Jospehs??? I used to sit on the wall beside the statue alot just thinking what would happen if i just run out the gate and just to think too,, but then a couple of years later I did run out the gates a few times with the older ones from the other unit and got to the ormeau park i loved it there it was my getaway from the home,, I loved Connie Mcveigh we always got on i would go to her alot when i wasnt at myself,, and she never used to shout at me she just had a very gentle way of talking to me and funny enough i used to listen to her maybe the only one i did listen too,, I used to ask her to adopt me all the time and she used to say back to me if she wasnt a member of staff she would anytime,, i remember she was getting married and i think i had just decided i would give foster a care a chance again after five years of saying no to it i was 12 when i left,, andi think connie left just shortly before that cause i got a new keyworker a year before i left,,  but no it wasnt all bad in St, Josephs  it hink we made our own fun there me and the othr children cause we were bascially all in the same boat and in it together we looked out for each other,, good times and bad times we all went through,, i can also recall a member of staff when i was there he wasnt very nice at all i remember him spitting in a childs face at one point i was about 8 and i remember it and he also called him a fat [censored]  he took a load of us to a forest with his to dogs and left us there for hours on our own at nite it was scary as hell,, all i remember was other members of staff coming to get us and taking all of us to get ice cream and kept asking were we ok,, we didnt knw what really just had happened went tobed that nite next morning we were called in one by one from the manager of the home and asked questions about the nite before,, and soon after that we never saw him back at the home so i presume now thinking about it he was asked to leave,, i didnt see anything in it at the time i thought he was just playing a joke on or something but it didnt turnout like that,, that is the only thing i ever remember bad that happened in St Joesphs that wasnt good in all the five years i was there from i was seven,, I could have been somewhere worse Again but i wasnt they tried their hardest to look after all of us,,
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: ashline on May 23, 2012, 11:08:09 PM
    Connie McVeigh had long black hair she was small but thin very pretty lovely woman she was the best there,, so  was Mark Mckimmons he used to play chases with us in the block at the back every fri night and we got curry chips if we had behaved during the week that was his treat lol and do exercises with us in the field all good fun
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: fatehasfans on June 06, 2012, 06:17:06 PM
Hi Ashline,
Thanks for the reply. That memory you have of a forest and being left alone is very similar to a memory I have of back then, it's quite vague though as, like you, I was very young. But I remember being taken to a forest by a member of staff, a few of us had been taken, and I remember a lot of crying and frightened children even some of the older ones (probably aged 10+). I wish I could remember more, the things that stand out are atomosphere (very negative) and frightened faces of children, I know some of us had been left alone for long periods of times which had contributed to the anxiety. Can you remember anything else as I am interested in trying to learn more?
 
Does the name Fiona ring a bell? (Staff) or Angela Fox? or Angela something...?
I'll send another post once I have a bit more time.
 
Regards,
Sean
 
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: ashline on June 06, 2012, 06:44:23 PM
 :P :P :P  hi sean yea i remember that nite alrite wont for get it yes there was a few of uas tasken u p to that forest by one member of staff,, it was a male he wasnt even long at the home either,, he wasnt the nicest member of staff i remember a kid from the second unit he used to cal lhim names on a number of occasions mock him because of his weight he spat in this wee felas face at one point and i seen him do it,, but after that incident in the forest after we got back to the home some of the other staff got uas ice cream and they were trying to calm some of the children down,, he evn brough two of his gogs to the forest and he put fire waorks around uas so we coldnt move or some thing and he left the dogs there too maybe to scare us in moving sounds MAD but thats what happend,,  Your rite Sean cause it did happen,, do you not remember me i was from the younger unit and i do recall a member of staff called angela fox cause it rings a bell in my ear the couple of times you mentioned her,, thats the only time i remember things that went wrong there as i was very young to but some things do stick in your brain,, i always wondered why that member of staff done that on uas i thought he was playing a joke there was a little fella with uas called christopher we used to cll him the (milky bar kid) he was terrifired he was in our unit too and he was so youn 6 rsomething,, louise Mcbride and her brother steven and a couple of others from the other unit too,,  but i have to say there was good times there too but we made that ourselves lol,,
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: John Heggarty on July 18, 2012, 11:05:51 PM
Hello! My name is John Hegarty. I spent from 1969 to 1981 in Nazareth lodge. I was in sister Anthony`s group all that time. I would like to know, how people are getting on? Maybe someone has a question? If so get in touch at John Hegarty. Love to hear from you soon? John.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: mona lisa on July 19, 2012, 03:39:05 PM
hi john maybe you knew siobhan,kellie and brendan
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: John Heggarty on July 19, 2012, 10:24:40 PM
Hi! Mona Lisa it`s John Heggarty. Could you give me more information on Siobhan, Kellie and Brendan. I did know a Brendan Rocks, Steven Rocks, John Rocks. They had two sisters. I also knew Martain Adare and Suesan Adare. Also Robert Philips and Martain Hegarty. I also knew the staff Ann Davis and Ann Gilmore. Hope to hear from you soon? John.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: John Heggarty on July 20, 2012, 12:12:41 AM
Hi! Noostyle? I was in Nazareth Lodge from 1969 to 1981 and there was a church in Nazareth lodge. It was in the main building second floor. I was for many years in that church as an altarboy as well as others. Sister Anthony made us read prayers once a month in that church. There was four groups of fifteen children.Anyway Noostyle if you have any questions I may be able to answer them. All the best john.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: mona lisa on July 21, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
siobhan,kellie and brendan norris were in the home from 1969 until 1977 when they went to england. siobhan used to visit one of the nuns who went to a convent in liverpool.i think that  the nun is now in glasgow. i hope you are doing alright now,and have a good life.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: PaulineRooney on July 22, 2012, 11:38:13 AM
Hi! Mona Lisa it`s John Heggarty. Could you give me more information on Siobhan, Kellie and Brendan. I did know a Brendan Rocks, Steven Rocks, John Rocks. They had two sisters. I also knew Martain Adare and Suesan Adare. Also Robert Philips and Martain Hegarty. I also knew the staff Ann Davis and Ann Gilmore. Hope to hear from you soon? John.

Hi John, Brendan, Stephen and John Rocks are my uncles, there was also Felix, Sharon, Mary, Elizabeth, Jayne and Donna, What info would you like on them?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: John Heggarty on July 23, 2012, 11:40:30 PM
Hi! Pauline I would like to know how is Stephen, John, Sharon and Elizabeth are getting on. When I was growing up, I was very close to John. John was a year younger than me, so was Sharon and Stephen and Elizabeth were a few years older than me. The last time I saw them was 15 of August 1981. Can you get them to get in touch or through you. Hope to hear from you soon. John.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: PaulineRooney on July 24, 2012, 07:43:02 AM
Hi! Pauline I would like to know how is Stephen, John, Sharon and Elizabeth are getting on. When I was growing up, I was very close to John. John was a year younger than me, so was Sharon and Stephen and Elizabeth were a few years older than me. The last time I saw them was 15 of August 1981. Can you get them to get in touch or through you. Hope to hear from you soon. John.

Hey John, i shall let them know u have been asking after them are you on facebook? Ur welcome to add me and most of them have facebook. Pauline Rooney on facebook, profile pic is a baby wearing sunglasses, add away mate. Hope to hear from u soon. x
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: John Heggarty on July 24, 2012, 11:18:44 PM
Pauline, I am happy to know that you will let them know that I was asking about them. I am having problems with getting you on Facebook. I will give you my email address, [email protected]m If you are willing to give me your email do it through email. Hope to hear from you soon, John.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: John Heggarty on July 24, 2012, 11:59:00 PM
Pauline I should have said could you give my email to Stephen, John, Sharon and Elizabeth? Please!
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: John Heggarty on July 27, 2012, 12:03:05 AM
Hello! me.co.uk, I remember a nun called sister Anthony in the 70`s. I was in her group, from about 1969 until 1981. It was a very hard group. Children in the home called me sister Anthony`s blue eyed boy. Little did they know, if they had they would have felt sorry for me. I believe she is in a photograph, although not all of her. What I mean, she is on the left hand side of the photo. It is only half of her. You can see the photo on this  Website Belfast Forum. It is the photograph with the children standing  infront of Nazareth Lodge. Standing next to donkeys and carts. I believe under the photograph it has 1982 as a date. Hope to hear from you soon? John Heggarty.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: John Heggarty on July 27, 2012, 12:51:29 AM
Hello! Julie Gartland, When you said " I know everyone in them pictures " I believe, I am in those pictures. My name is John Hegarty. Would love to hear from you? I remember the party and  the next year I left Nazareth Lodge.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: baxster on July 31, 2012, 09:24:18 PM
i was in there st joesphs around 1983 any one else would lv to hear from anyone x
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: John Heggarty on July 31, 2012, 11:26:09 PM
Hello! Molly Rose, two of your school friends names sound familiar? Did Kate Stow have a brother called Tony Stow? If you would like to give me more information on these people that would be great? I use this website often. Stay in touch please? John.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: loclly on September 11, 2012, 03:43:15 PM
hi, my father was at nazareth lodge from 1944 until the early 1950's, his name is edmund allen, his brother joseph allen and some more of his siblings were ther too. i am trying to find people who were there at the same time as my father, if so please will you leave me a message..
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: woodstock boy on September 13, 2012, 03:59:25 AM
Paddy 47,
 I have a mate who went into the Lodge when he was a baby, he's now 73yrs so he might have been there in your time. His surname was  Mc Cann he also had a brother there, but he was a few years older he changed his Christian name after he left there.
                Woodstock boy.
 
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sam oneal on December 20, 2012, 11:53:51 PM
any 75's too 83's out their? love the lodge in my mind, up the lodge.
i dont understand why u say u love the lodge maybe it was great for u but ask all the little children who were bate by the nuns was it a great place. i was one of them kids in 82 u may no me but not going to say my name. it was a dark hell hole.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sam oneal on December 20, 2012, 11:59:15 PM
A LOT OF CASES OF CRUELTY TO CHILDREN IS NOW COMING OUT ABOUT THOSE PLACES,THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY ABOUT IT ALL IS, HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS THE POCKET, CLAIM FOR CHILD ABUSE SO MUCH OF IT WENT ON IN THOSE SCHOOLS AND ORPHANAGES, IT IS NOW LEGENDRY :-\ :-[
u are so right the nuns were evil and injoyed hurting children i was brung up a cathalic but after i left that hole i lost my faith.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sam oneal on December 21, 2012, 12:03:18 AM
I was in st josephs babies home in1989-1994 I was seven when I first went there was in the very first unit never left til I was 12 we used to go over to Nazerth loge to go to chapel every sunday i  even remember when they built the skool beside it,  would love to find some people i used to live wit there i knew louise Mcbride and her brother steven  i remember a young lad called christopehr not to sur of his surname now but we used to call you the mily bar kid, it was a good home I remember the good times and the sad times too, reply to me if yer on this site if u knw me  :P :P :P
hi ashline i no u.i was in st joes to.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 02, 2013, 03:16:34 AM
Hi Mona lisa how do you know so much about Siobhan Brendan and Kellie ? ???
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 02, 2013, 03:49:26 AM
HI John Heggarty, my name is Siobhan and brother was Brendan and sister Kellie. I vaguely remember your name but am trying to remember your face. I was in the next group to you, bethlehem. I was looked after first by Sr.Gonzaga, then SR.Aloyisia (who became my "saviour"  by rescuing me from the oldest girl in the group) and then Sr. Michael for a short time before we had to leave.  I remember Sr.Anthony she was mean and cruel. Charlie, Tommy, Theresa ,Kathleen and  Bridget Maughan were in my group, in fact i remember the day my sister and Tommy arrived from the baby home to come live with us aged just three.  The McKettricks ? were also in my group. We had two younger boys in our group Fransie who's surname i don't remember and David O' Neil who i think had learning difficulties. I always wondered what happened to them. I believe Tommy Maughan was beaten to death, very sad.
I do believe the Maughans were from a family of 16 and were gypsies.
could you possibly tell me what became of Susan Adair and her brother Sammy ? She was at the time my best friend and we were in the same class in St.Monica's. Also do you have any info on Declan Gallagher, the black lad ? I think he may have gone to study or live in Wales. And Gwen Alexander ?
I have visited Sr.Aloyisia she is and always was very kind. I have also visited Sr,Michael.
Sorry this is long winded. look forward to your reply

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: annon on February 02, 2013, 03:04:36 PM
Hi Aliwally,
My little brother David O'Neill was sent down south with a lot of other children on the Falls Road at the beginning of the troubles in 1969. My mum and dad had both passed away and he was living with my 2 younger twin sisters Mary & Eileen at the time and because of the riots at the time they thought it would be safer to send him away as he was only 7 at that time. Sadly, we have never seen or heard from him again. We tried a lot of agencies and homes for years and just came up against a brick wall.
When reading your post I almost died when you mentioned a David O'Neill that you knew in Nazareth Lodge when you were there. I know it is a really long shot, but I have never gave up hope on finding him again. Would you remember what the David O'Neill you knew looked like or if he ever mentioned any brothers or sisters. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Ann
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast David O' Neill
Post by: aliwally on February 02, 2013, 11:30:05 PM
Hi Anon,

I am so sorry to hear about your little brother David.  The boy i'm talking about lived in the same group as me, bethlehem. The reason i say i think he had learning difficulties is because the nuns used to take him and Fransie to a different school to us and they always seemed more vulnerable than the rest of us, i can't say for sure if he had difficulties as i'm just going on childhood memories. David had no hair and that's the most i remember about him and i'm sorry to say this but it could help in your search, i'm sure the David i knew lost the top of his fingers in an accident when a door slammed shut on them. It was at least 3 of them, i saw it happen.
I left the home in 1977 and i'm sure both boys were still there. I find it hard to believe that no-one has any record of your brother, do you think maybe he was adopted ? I do hope you find him. Please get in touch again if you want to let me know how your search is going.

aliwally
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 02, 2013, 11:35:53 PM
Anon, by the way did you trace your sisters ? Don't think i knew them, i didn't know he had any but then they could have been in a different group.
Aliwally    :(
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: annon on February 03, 2013, 02:23:07 AM
Hi aliwally,
Thanks for your quick reply. I'm not sure if it would be the same David. He had thick ginger hair with a little curl in it. However, just to be sure I will write to Nazareth Lodge at the address I see in the Forum to see if they can help. David was very traumatized after my mother Elizabeth passed and then soon after that my father Thomas.  Then shortly after that the troubles started. 
My father in law went down south a few times and thought he had traced David to a Home in Dublin but when he went there it wasn't him.  Years later my husband and I and our children left Ireland.
I never seen my sisters again either, although at that time they were 18 and although I worry about them I was really more concerned about young David. If I do find out anymore I will let you know.
Once again, thank you very much for your help.

Ann 
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast David O' Neill
Post by: aliwally on February 03, 2013, 10:00:03 PM
Hi Annon

I feel so sad that you were unable to find your sisters and David. I am in contact from time to time with Sr.Aloyisia and Sr.Michael who looked after us I'm sure she wouldn't mind helping you. She is lovely and she did once reunite a little boy who lived with us.with his sister who was in a different home and they were both adopted.
I would like to give you my email, so that i can give you contact details of Sr.Aloyisia.  i will try to contact the forum to see how we can do that privately. Let me know if you would like it.
Goodluck

Aliwally

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 03, 2013, 10:03:27 PM
does anyone know the where a bouts of Rosemary Connelly, Lizzie Rosetta, and Michael Rosetta ?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 03, 2013, 10:06:16 PM
Is Nazareth Lodge still a nursing home for old people ?  And does anyone know a Catherine Moss who was in Nazareth House up the road ?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 03, 2013, 10:33:02 PM
just wondering are there many other people who couldn't trace their siblings after being placed in a home ?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: annon on February 04, 2013, 02:26:00 PM
Hi aliwally.
Thank you for all your help. I got your message o.k.

Ann
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: supersurvivor777 on February 09, 2013, 01:42:22 AM
hi ashline i no u.i was in st joes to.

 1was in that vile womens group ambrose and will be at the inquiry how can one contact you sam ??
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: supersurvivor777 on February 09, 2013, 01:58:17 AM
HI John Heggarty, my name is Siobhan and brother was Brendan and sister Kellie. I vaguely remember your name but am trying to remember your face. I was in the next group to you, bethlehem. I was looked after first by Sr.Gonzaga, then SR.Aloyisia (who became my "saviour"  by rescuing me from the oldest girl in the group) and then Sr. Michael for a short time before we had to leave.  I remember Sr.Anthony she was mean and cruel. Charlie, Tommy, Theresa ,Kathleen and  Bridget Maughan were in my group, in fact i remember the day my sister and Tommy arrived from the baby home to come live with us aged just three.  The McKettricks ? were also in my group. We had two younger boys in our group Fransie who's surname i don't remember and David O' Neil who i think had learning difficulties. I always wondered what happened to them. I believe Tommy Maughan was beaten to death, very sad.
I do believe the Maughans were from a family of 16 and were gypsies.
could you possibly tell me what became of Susan Adair and her brother Sammy ? She was at the time my best friend and we were in the same class in St.Monica's. Also do you have any info on Declan Gallagher, the black lad ? I think he may have gone to study or live in Wales. And Gwen Alexander ?
I have visited Sr.Aloyisia she is and always was very kind. I have also visited Sr,Michael.
Sorry this is long winded. look forward to your reply
           

hi siobhan ---  i remember u well does johnny have a contact for you ??
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 09, 2013, 10:29:33 AM
Hi supersurvivor 777,
 i'm curious  as to who you are. do you keep in touch with many people ? you can message me privately if you wish.  ???
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 09, 2013, 10:34:26 AM
Supersurvivor 777

sorry Johnny does not have contact with me, he hasn't replied, not even sure if he remembers me. please reply again. I'm  trying to help someone find their little brother who was seven when she last saw him so if anyone remembers David O' Neill please get in touch.  :(
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 10, 2013, 08:59:24 PM
Hi Supersurvivor 777

How are you ? Where did you go when you left the lodge? Where is your sister? Hope life has been good to you.  :-*
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 10, 2013, 09:04:54 PM
I am the son of Theresa Maughan, anyone who remembers my family please get in touch would be great to hear from anyone who remembers my uncles and aunties. 07850 331 375

Hi i remember your family very well. Especially your mum, she made me share a room with her for a very long time. Hope she has been good to you and i once ran away with one of your aunties. Your uncle Tommy was cute and the same age as my sister.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 10, 2013, 09:07:18 PM

Hi i remember your family very well. Especially your mum, she made me share a room with her for a very long time. Hope she has been good to you and i once ran away with one of your aunties. Your uncle Tommy was cute and the same age as my sister.
I also have  a photo of your aunt Bridget taken on guns island at Bally Hornan
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on February 10, 2013, 09:16:15 PM
I was in nazareth lodge late 70s and 80s would like to get in touch with lost friends. Also went to St Michaels school and St Monicas. I was not alone, my sister and two brothers were there too, in Sister Michaels group
Hi Lagan,
I was in sister Michael's group too but left before you joined the group. I wonder if you remember a young boy called David O' Neill ? He was still in the group when i left in 1977. Do you know what happened to him ? Someone is trying to trace her brother with the same name and she hasn't seen him since he was seven when he was first put into a home. We would be very grateful for any recollections you may have. He had no hair when i was there, sometimes wore a wig and had lost some of his finger tips in an accident in the home. :(

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sweep on March 11, 2013, 07:09:00 PM
hi im looking for information on st joesphs around 1983 to 1985 just looking to find out of ur time ther, I was there for a time and didnt have an easy time between one thing and another iv found it hard to forget, and was wondering how u the other kids found ur time there many thanks for taking the to read this x ???
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sweep on March 13, 2013, 08:41:38 PM
hi julie i was given ur name by mollyrose hope u dont mind me texting u xx i was in st joesphs 1983 just looking for any friends i had from then xx
 
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Matthew on March 24, 2013, 04:28:16 PM
Got a bit of information from another Forum member. There was a childrens home called Brefine on the Somerton Road and also St. Aloysius Home. Hope this helps. Floral.

St. Aloysius was a boys school. The Lansdowne Nursing home is now on the site. I have been trying to get a photo of the building, without any luck.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: roisind on April 15, 2013, 04:05:44 PM
i was in for few years between 1976 and 1980 i was in sister micheals with my brother and sister as i was young i cnt remember any bad memriours at all but i knw few people who did sister micheal was lovely to me
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Denis Patterson on May 13, 2013, 07:04:46 PM
My Mom and Antie work with your mom in the N Lodge .They came from Altcar. Rinty what about your sister Jean is she living in Belfast Il left Short Strand 40 years ago i now live in Lisburn...
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: aliwally on June 04, 2013, 11:09:00 PM
Sister Michael was lovely.  ::)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Belfasthen on June 22, 2013, 05:08:36 PM
I went to Aquinas hall and we used to collect our candy for lent for the orphanage we went there with out parents on a field trip my ma was so upset I was a scholarship student from New Lodge so we were not rich she told me years later it was hard for her to go as she had had 6 miscarriages, and I kept asking her to please take the orphans home with us I used to hear her crying because she could not help and I was an only child. :(
 
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Garoig on August 11, 2013, 09:30:41 AM
My Mom and Antie work with your mom in the N Lodge .They came from Altcar. Rinty what about your sister Jean is she living in Belfast Il left Short Strand 40 years ago i now live in Lisburn...
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Garoig on August 11, 2013, 09:37:12 AM
My brother and I were resident there from about 1949 to 1953 and remember Sister Mary-Aiden and Sister Hildegarde
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Declanag on August 11, 2013, 12:02:36 PM
Does anybody remember me, Declan Gallagher - Sister Anthony's Group?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: chink on August 12, 2013, 05:00:53 PM
CAN ANYONE REMEMBER A WEE BOY CALLED GABRIEL  A VERY SHORT WEE FELLA
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: danso on August 12, 2013, 05:40:25 PM
Now he's a very short wee man
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: anniejosephine on August 13, 2013, 03:16:05 PM
My  late Husband    was in Nazareth lodge  when sister  Hildergard  was ther  he told me  all  about.it,  he looked out the window everyday  for to see if his big brother was coming to take him back home  it never happened   left him  traumatised      ,,,,,,AJ
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: michellebradley84 on August 25, 2013, 09:27:26 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I am writing a children's book, a significant portion of which is set in an orphanage in Belfast during the late 50s/early 60s.

I'm looking info on a few things.

- What did the building look/feel/smell like? What was the layout like? Any photos would be fantastic
- What were the sleeping arrangements? Were siblings allowed to stay together? Were there dormitories separating boys and girls or particular age groups?
- What did meals consist of? Were you well fed?
- What were your experiences with the nuns?
- What were the arrangements like for education? Did you go to an outside school or get taught on the premises?
- What were the highlights/lowlights about the home?

I understand this is a big ask and I would be grateful for answers to any of the above, or anything else you might feel is relevant.

Thank you in advance for all your help

Michelle
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast and lost family members
Post by: aliwally on September 22, 2013, 09:43:57 PM
Hi  me again does anyone remember a boy called David O'Neil ? He was in Nazareth Lodge in the 70's and 80's. Please help as his sister has been trying to find him for years. He was in Sr.Aloyisia/ Sr. Michael's group.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Skullcap on October 11, 2013, 11:38:57 PM
was there in 1953 - 57....
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Skullcap on October 11, 2013, 11:41:48 PM
just trying to get some bearings and validate what are memories, wax smell of the halls - a lot of wood - awe old style lift.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Soab on November 09, 2013, 06:25:04 PM
It is easy to tell the real children of Nazareth Lodge. their good education shows through in their spelling and grammar. They wright so well, it is a pleasure to read.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Teresa Black on November 18, 2013, 01:13:48 AM
Hi, i'm not from Ireland, nor have i ever been (though i want to!!!) But my Gran and Mum were born and bred there. and thats why i'm on this site.

My Granmother had a baby put in Nazareth lodge, Her name was Winnifred Shannon and was born November 1955. Gran took her there when Winni was about 1 because she was receiving threats of arrest because she was a single mother. The woman who had been helping her look after the baby was arrested on trumped up charges...and things happened, so anyway, Gran went to the orphanage and signed some papers. Winnifred was adopted in the first week of being there. Gran went back when she got married to my grandad, trying to get her back, but the baby was already gone. Gran hasn't stopped looking for her.

Do any of you know if there are any records, anything that can help find out where she went?

Hi Stacey,

Do you know what papers she signed.  Nazareth House have lost the agreement that my dad's mother signed.

Teresa
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Teresa Black on November 18, 2013, 01:23:22 AM
my grandfather frank mcnally was at nazereth in the late 30's or early 40's along with his sister mary and brother patrick.. anyone out there remember them.. thanks

Hi my dad was there from 1933 through to the late 40's. His name is Joe Black. I think I've herad him mention your grandad's name.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Teresa Black on November 18, 2013, 01:28:52 AM
There was a man on Radio Ulster this morning at 9.35 describing the time he spent in Nazareth lodge from 1937 til 1941.   He had a horrendous time at the hands of one particular nun, sister Hilda,  (  I think surname Gartland ).  That nun is in hell.  He said in the whole place, there was only one good nun, and she was Sister Colombus.
The cruelty that was handed out to that man by Hilda, and some older boys, with her consent, wasn't normal.  For anyone interested, if there's a repeat of that radio program you should listen out for it.

The nun was Sister Hildeguard. There was a nun called Sister Columba Joe and my dad probably got his name from her. Sadly she died when he was very young which mean't that there was noone to protect him from Sister Hildeguard her bullies (the older boys) and Sister Amadeus who he had to work for in the laundry.  Do you know who the guy was that was talking on the radio?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Skullcap on November 18, 2013, 01:49:06 AM
Beyond the surprise;  there is always an incredible sadness when we hear of these kind of events. For my part, and while it was only for I short time that I lived there, my memories were more of some of the lay staff and their roughness - names I can never recall. In the context of the days in which we lived they were no worse that what I saw and heard in the streets of Belfast - but yes rough.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: fatehasfans on December 05, 2013, 10:42:09 AM
Hi everyone,

I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I am writing a children's book, a significant portion of which is set in an orphanage in Belfast during the late 50s/early 60s.

I'm looking info on a few things.

- What did the building look/feel/smell like? What was the layout like? Any photos would be fantastic
- What were the sleeping arrangements? Were siblings allowed to stay together? Were there dormitories separating boys and girls or particular age groups?
- What did meals consist of? Were you well fed?
- What were your experiences with the nuns?
- What were the arrangements like for education? Did you go to an outside school or get taught on the premises?
- What were the highlights/lowlights about the home?

I understand this is a big ask and I would be grateful for answers to any of the above, or anything else you might feel is relevant.

Thank you in advance for all your help

Michelle

Smell: The home had a slight church smell - ever been to Church when the priest lights an urn filled with palms and swings it about the place? It's that smell only faint. But different parts smelt differently.

Layout: 2 main buildings (blocks) connected via a bridge in the main playground. Each block consisted of corridors with rooms and toilets lining each corridor, at the end of the corridors where the main communal sitting and dining rooms, to the side the connecting corridors led to a large playroom which was also the exit to the main playground (each block symmetrically identical).

Meals: Food was basic - similar to school dinners. 2 meals (on schooldays) per day (breakfast and dinner) and sometimes you may get a supper treat (pot of yogurt/piece of buttered bread with sugar/piece of fruit).

I did not have much contact with the nuns so I do not know what they were like. I lived in the main home, not the Church part.

Education: Schools varied, most would have attended St Michaels primary which was situated just across the road.

Highlights: Some staff were friendly and took to the children. Playing in the tall grass near the graveyard with other children or in and around the grounds. Also Ballyhornan each summer was a highlight.

Lowlights: Loneliness - isolation, missing parents, unfriendly staff, getting bullied, forced to eat the food (I was forced to eat mashed carrots and parsnip to a point where I threw up)

If there are any other questions feel free to let me know.

Good luck with the book!

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: bernadette neeson on January 16, 2014, 11:52:42 AM
Hello all

My husband was in Nazareth lodge baby home, he was put in in 1945 then moved to  Nazareth boys home, also to Kircubbin home then back to the boys home until he was 16 and then put out into the big world to fend for himself,

Does anyone know   Brian Neeson   he was there from 1945 until 1961 even up until the late 1980s
Funny thing he always visited the place every sunday in life to take pictures of all the new babies that arrived (they must have some photos there)

He had a very sad life there
                                              Bernadette 

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: bernadette neeson on January 16, 2014, 12:33:49 PM
Hello all

My husband was in Nazareth lodge baby home, he was put in in 1945 then moved to  Nazareth boys home, also to Kircubbin home then back to the boys home until he was 16 and then put out into the big world to fend for himself,

Does anyone know   Brian Neeson   he was there from 1945 until 1961 even up until the late 1980s
Funny thing he always visited the place every sunday in life to take pictures of all the new babies that arrived (they must have some photos there)

if he didn't know 2+2  etc.... he was stripped naked in front of everyone and beaten (just a wee example)
The Brothers would go into the rooms at night and take the young boys that they would want to play with etc....
The so called nuns would take money of the workmen and let them loose on the kids(so so sad)WORKMEN that where there to do a days work O.M.G.

He had a very sad life there
                                              Bernadette
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: thewatterboy on January 16, 2014, 12:54:04 PM
I was in nazerath lodge from 1992 to 1995 anyone else there at that time?
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: stacey m on January 17, 2014, 12:35:40 AM
Hi, I posted on this forum in around 2009 looking for my aunts for my Gran and mum (who moved to Australia and has been looking for them)
I just thought I'd post again to say we managed to find one, and she is the most amazing aunty in the world :) (I even managed to travel to Belfast to see her!)
thank you all for all your help regarding Nazareth, you all gave me some great stepping stones to locate my mums sisters; it was really a life changing moment for her and our entire family are grateful for everyone who helped along the way :)
kind regards
Stacey
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: bugsy69 on February 02, 2014, 06:33:08 PM
hi there i was in the childrens home and remember going over to naz lodge fo sunday mass i also remember a sister called mary theresa i visited tthe place a while back and she was in the care home as it is now..
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: bec on February 22, 2014, 02:58:28 PM
Hello everyone,

I'm wondering if any of you can help me.  I live in Lancashire, England and I'm the daughter of a man who spent around 5 years in Nazareth Lodge from when he was born in 1949.
My father's mother was resident in Nazareth House at the time when unfortunatley she had to give him him up for adoption.  He was taken in by who I believe were a good Irish family in Belfast but there are gaps in what he knows of his natural mother.
My father was lucky to have located his birth mother around 10 years ago, however she was very ill and died not long after this.  We have remained in contact with my father's half sister and brothers but nothing was ever spoken of why and how she came to be in Nazareth Lodge, nor does any of the family know of any other surviving relatives of my grandmother.  My Dad has done all he can to try to trace all the information to no avail so I'm calling on anyone who could help to please do so.  He has some documents and photographs which I will post as soon as I have access to them.  My dad is called Michael and his mother was Martha Kane who eventually moved to Leeds, Yorkshire.  Please, if anyone knows anything of Martha, I can be contacted on here.  Many thanks in advance and thanks for reading.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Tmaisey1 on April 09, 2014, 08:54:55 PM
HI John Heggarty, my name is Siobhan and brother was Brendan and sister Kellie. I vaguely remember your name but am trying to remember your face. I was in the next group to you, bethlehem. I was looked after first by Sr.Gonzaga, then SR.Aloyisia (who became my "saviour"  by rescuing me from the oldest girl in the group) and then Sr. Michael for a short time before we had to leave.  I remember Sr.Anthony she was mean and cruel. Charlie, Tommy, Theresa ,Kathleen and  Bridget Maughan were in my group, in fact i remember the day my sister and Tommy arrived from the baby home to come live with us aged just three.  The McKettricks ? were also in my group. We had two younger boys in our groupm Fransie who's surname i don't remember and David O' Neil who i think had learning difficulties. I always wondered what happened to them. I believe Tommy Maughan was beaten to death, very sad.
I do believe the Maughans were from a family of 16 and were gypsies.
could you possibly tell me what became of Susan Adair and her brother Sammy ? She was at the time my best friend and we were in the same class in St.Monica's. Also do you have any info on Declan Gallagher, the black lad ? I think he may have gone to study or live in Wales. And Gwen Alexander ?
I have visited Sr.Aloyisia she is and always was very kind. I have also visited Sr,Michael.
Sorry this is long winded. look forward to your reply

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Mark70 on April 09, 2014, 09:01:38 PM

What happened in them Irish orphanages was satanic not religious.
Selling children, abuse, rape,and more than you would believe all covered over by religion.

 >:(

Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Tmaisey1 on April 09, 2014, 09:16:38 PM
Hi siobhan how are u it's Theresa Maugham here. How is your brother,sister.are u still living in Belfast.what are u doning with your life are u married do u have kids. I live in London married with 4.kids and 4 grand kids . Kate and biddie are here to. What did u do with your self after the lodge ?? Would be lovely to have a chat and a catch up after all thes years. Hope u are well and happy in your life. Am over in Belfast in May May be we could meet up for chat. I would really like to see u again. I worried a lot about u when I left the lodge. We're they ok with u. Hope to here from u soon Theresa
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: unilove18 on April 27, 2014, 11:35:54 AM
Does anyone know if there is records of the orphanage surviving?? Or would I woukd go to talk to someone about them. .would love to see them...trying to trace an ancestors details who knows nothing about his time here or birth parents
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: chink on April 28, 2014, 01:53:55 PM
would the nuns in nazerath lodge on ormeau road not still have record or know where to go
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Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: woodstock boy on May 09, 2014, 05:11:29 AM
Paddy47,
 Hi Paddy I have a friend called Dave McCann who was there from 1938 until 1952, he also had a brother called Frank who was there as well. He has many bad memories of some of the treatment handed out by some of the Nuns, especially Sister Hildi who dished out a lot of pain and enjoyed it Some of other Nuns he remembers were Nuns Mona- MaryAden- and Agnes they were all right he recalls.  He also had 4Sisters called Susan -Mary-Shelia and Patricia, They stayed in the Nazareth House not far away. Dave now lives in Adelaide South Australia and would like to catch up with anyone who was there at that time.

   Woodstock Boy. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: bennyboy432 on May 25, 2014, 11:20:40 PM
hi susan adair here omg

any 75's too 83's out their? love the lodge in my mind, up the lodge.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: kimico on May 26, 2014, 07:15:51 PM
I am looking for a girl called Caroline Davidson (nick name Daisy) who was at Nazareth House. She left there and went to Ettaville girls hostel, which is were I met her. Her sister was called Helen.
Anyone still in contact with her
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: julie gartland on June 04, 2014, 05:37:12 PM
 Hi susan adair , julie gartland here. U and my sis susan used hang about as well as patricaa jordan.sister of robert, james"leaky" and david.i spoke to sammy awhile back..hope things r ok ...xx my email address is [email protected]  ...on a nother note hi john yes hargerty i remember you.. again my email is on screen... my sisters wherw annmarie n susan....we where in sisters ambroses group from 1977 to 1981 then forstered in kilkeel..i came back to lodge in 1982  .and went in to sr  ambrouses again by tjen she had move to where the nurserys where n then sr corneilous took over then she  left then sr tresea patrick took over then we moved in to sr micheals  group she then left....sr treasa took that group...feel free anyone to get in touch... tc xx
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: weemoe2010 on August 21, 2014, 11:42:32 PM
I went to st josephs from the age of two which was 1975 was there until 1979 does anyone know a woman named Bernie mcclaran she look after me lovely lady there was 6 of us the devlins  I cant remember much but I remember 3girls Sonya,Julie and I cant remember the other ones name I was friends with Julie.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: weemoe2010 on August 21, 2014, 11:52:51 PM
There was a man on Radio Ulster this morning at 9.35 describing the time he spent in Nazareth lodge from 1937 til 1941.   He had a horrendous time at the hands of one particular nun, sister Hilda,  (  I think surname Gartland ).  That nun is in hell.  He said in the whole place, there was only one good nun, and she was Sister Colombus.
The cruelty that was handed out to that man by Hilda, and some older boys, with her consent, wasn't normal.  For anyone interested, if there's a repeat of that radio program you should listen out for it.
I was allowed to see the baby part too and where they washed and dried ur bedding in st josephs
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: weemoe2010 on August 22, 2014, 12:14:00 AM
I was in saint josephs around that time too I was only two in 1975 - 1979 do u remember Bernie McLaren  our surname is Devlin there was 6 of us 3biys 3girls .
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: patriciamcmahon on January 09, 2015, 08:24:42 PM
I am looking for a boy called Brendan McGahy/McCabe who would have been in St. Joseph's or Nazareth House between 1964-70.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: patriciamcmahon on January 10, 2015, 11:03:05 PM
I am looking for a boy called Brendan McGahy/McCabe who would have been in St. Joseph's or Nazareth House between 1964-70.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: gismo on January 11, 2015, 01:04:33 AM
ihave read all the posts and it would break your heart to hear the people on this thread who have been in this home my heart goes out to all of them i grew up and was friends with people who were in and out of the lodge and kircubbin they hated going there and now i can understand why.i just hope some have found happiness in life best wishes and good luck gismo
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Post by: Dot/dash on January 11, 2015, 01:14:28 AM
ihave read all the posts and it would break your heart to hear the people on this thread who have been in this home my heart goes out to all of them i grew up and was friends with people who were in and out of the lodge and kircubbin they hated going there and now i can understand why.i just hope some have found happiness in life best wishes and good luck gismo

gismo I endorse everything you've said      may all of those who abused mentally/physically  the children in their care  

rot in hell      >:( >:(
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Toronto on January 11, 2015, 06:37:08 PM
I went to st josephs from the age of two which was 1975 was there until 1979 does anyone know a woman named Bernie mcclaran she look after me lovely lady there was 6 of us the devlins  I cant remember much but I remember 3girls Sonya,Julie and I cant remember the other ones name I was friends with Julie.
hi I think you mean Bernie mclernon, children's nurse, she is married and has I think three children of her own. She is doing well.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Rosie62 on February 13, 2015, 09:44:54 PM
Does anyone have any memoiries of Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast between the years of 1947 till 1953 please/ My name was Patrick J. Murtagh I was put into the orphanage aged 2weeks
old and left the home at 6years and 3months to live with adoptive parents.
Sadly I do not have any recollection of my time in the home other than having my ears pulled and pulled along the corridor by an Nun.
Paddy
.   if you were 2 weeks old you might have been in st josephs baby home
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Rosie62 on February 13, 2015, 09:49:52 PM
.   if you were 2 weeks old you might have been in st josephs baby home
.    I have a bad leg due to them
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: supersurvivor777 on April 18, 2015, 12:52:25 AM
 r u susan if so contact me also johnny hegarty asap johnny ur email doesnt work cheers
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: stormchaser2015 on May 16, 2015, 12:08:15 AM
Hi my name is Michael,I was in Nazareth lodge from 1991 to 1997,the place got knocked down in the year of 2000 roughly,and ran by sister Teresa.and other nuns in the 3 units where sister Anne,sister Benedict and sister Aloysius,I had friends called Jackie and John there,just wondern if anybody out there that was there at that time and remember it was like for them also.
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Post by: stormchaser2015 on May 16, 2015, 12:09:16 AM
And that if anybody remembers me there also
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Jackie56 on July 24, 2015, 10:25:06 AM
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Hello I think my uncles might have been there about that time , their last name was Molyneaux ,
hi, my father was at nazareth lodge from 1944 until the early 1950's, his name is edmund allen, his brother joseph allen and some more of his siblings were ther too. i am trying to find people who were there at the same time as my father, if so please will you leave me a message..
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Post by: Jackie56 on July 24, 2015, 11:12:50 PM
Anyone remember the Molyneaux family
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Glj on October 08, 2016, 12:01:37 AM
I was at the shamrock Christmas party. There was a jazz band playin. Huge big paper bags of sweets givin out. I was 6.
1980. I gota toy drum. Nelly the elephant was in the charts. I just remember a short woman with dark curly hair called Jackie. Maybe sister ann. sister Benedict or somethin. I was there with my older brother. Two older sisters. That's wen I was in Nazareth lodge. Waz in st josephs before that. In and out as a kid. Don't really remember a lota people. Think I remember little paddling pools that never had any water. Colour blue! Mass on a Sunday and Christmas Eve. I remember gettin told of for watching Ryan's daughter on a tv in one of the rooms so switched over and Tommy, by the Who waz on! I've no bad memories! So if anyone out there waz there around 1980, give us a shout. Think there waz a little deaf/dumb girl called Mary. Sorry to put it that way. Don't know the proper terms. Damn education. Hope ur all well folks.
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Post by: Glj on October 08, 2016, 12:03:23 AM
I was at the shamrock Christmas party. There was a jazz band playin. Huge big paper bags of sweets givin out. I was 6.
1980. I gota toy drum. Nelly the elephant was in the charts. I just remember a short woman with dark curly hair called Jackie. Maybe sister ann. sister Benedict or somethin. I was there with my older brother. Two older sisters. That's wen I was in Nazareth lodge. Waz in st josephs before that. In and out as a kid. Don't really remember a lota people. Think I remember little paddling pools that never had any water. Colour blue! Mass on a Sunday and Christmas Eve. I remember gettin told of for watching Ryan's daughter on a tv in one of the rooms so switched over and Tommy, by the Who waz on! I've no bad memories! So if anyone out there waz there around 1980, give us a shout. Think there waz a little deaf/dumb girl called Mary. Sorry to put it that way. Don't know the proper terms. Damn education. Hope ur all well folks.
i do remember the little baby's and bein told to be quiet in the afternoons while they slept. Bless em!
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Glj on October 08, 2016, 12:20:08 AM
Big friendly place. Didn't feel outa place at all. Warm. Everyone waz so happy and funny! I think basically us kids were allowed to run free around the grounds and make our own fun, that we did. No one was separated by any means. I don't have one bad memory. I remember bein spoilt rotten at Christmas. Staff were brilliant. Friendly and fun. I remember summer, summers there. I was back and forward. You'd really need to have been through wot us kids have been through to know. I'm guessing, hoping this is a book to educate children about how other children did and don't have the same lives as some? It's a great example of how people like me have a great life, never been in trouble, never done a bad thing, thankful for everything etc. Unlike the spoilt little brats today. Here we go, but, we didn't have anything, we made our own fun, we were up a the first light of day, playin around the grounds of st josephs, nazerath lodge, til meal times, and then till the sun went down, ya got ur supper, in and out of each other's rooms in ur jammies giggling away until ya all fell asleep. Wot great days. So here's hoping for this to go toward some sort of education and not a CASH FROM CHAOS book, novel. Hoping proceeds go to help those a bit more poorly than others. No one only us kids will never know wot it waz like. Especially wen ur parents where sat at home just a few miles away with no excuses why they can't look after you. I thank the staff kids sisters all for not makin anyone any different from the other. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Glj on October 08, 2016, 12:21:45 AM
Big friendly place. Didn't feel outa place at all. Warm. Everyone waz so happy and funny! I think basically us kids were allowed to run free around the grounds and make our own fun, that we did. No one was separated by any means. I don't have one bad memory. I remember bein spoilt rotten at Christmas. Staff were brilliant. Friendly and fun. I remember summer, summers there. I was back and forward. You'd really need to have been through wot us kids have been through to know. I'm guessing, hoping this is a book to educate children about how other children did and don't have the same lives as some? It's a great example of how people like me have a great life, never been in trouble, never done a bad thing, thankful for everything etc. Unlike the spoilt little brats today. Here we go, but, we didn't have anything, we made our own fun, we were up a the first light of day, playin around the grounds of st josephs, nazerath lodge, til meal times, and then till the sun went down, ya got ur supper, in and out of each other's rooms in ur jammies giggling away until ya all fell asleep. Wot great days. So here's hoping for this to go toward some sort of education and not a CASH FROM CHAOS book, novel. Hoping proceeds go to help those a bit more poorly than others. No one only us kids will never know wot it waz like. Especially wen ur parents where sat at home just a few miles away with no excuses why they can't look after you. I thank the staff kids sisters all for not makin anyone any different from the other. Hope this helps.
this is a reply to the person writing a book bout homes.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Glj on October 08, 2016, 12:24:38 AM
any 75's too 83's out their? love the lodge in my mind, up the lodge.
i was there 1979/80!
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Glj on October 08, 2016, 12:28:50 AM
Great place!
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: misssmyth1 on October 11, 2016, 02:07:23 PM
I have been reading this thread with emotion..  I am so glad that the children were well treated and cared for..  I used to know a girl who was brought up in an orphanage in another part of Ireland and her experiences were very different.. sadly... It blighted her life for a very long time as she felt worthless until she eventually had counselling  and was able to move on and live a happier life  sorry to bring some gloom and doom but glad to find out  that all the orphanages were not horrible..
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Post by: old wallion on November 01, 2016, 09:41:08 PM
Did anyone work in Nazareth House at the to of Ravenhill/ Ormeau Road
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on November 02, 2016, 03:07:56 AM
 I think old Wallion that there might have been more young females working in the babies home which was in the same complex. :)
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Post by: thewatterboy on November 08, 2016, 11:09:01 PM
Yes i was there then. I think i remember you in sister ayolishas unit?? I was in sister benedicts. We all played handball/hand tennis on a big wall out the back of your unit!
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Post by: apalachie on December 07, 2016, 07:12:13 AM
I've just spent a few hours reading these posts from start to finish, very emotional but still very hard to understand why the majority of them needed to be placed in a place like this. Whatever happened to the great Irish extended family units, especially Catholics, when if anything happens to the parents and other family members can't look after the child, then their Godparents do?
Well I hope that all of these children went on to make something of their lives.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on December 07, 2016, 11:37:10 AM
I've just spent a few hours reading these posts from start to finish, very emotional but still very hard to understand why the majority of them needed to be placed in a place like this. Whatever happened to the great Irish extended family units, especially Catholics, when if anything happens to the parents and other family members can't look after the child, then their Godparents do?
Well I hope that all of these children went on to make something of their lives.

Apalachie...long time no see.  Yes I agree but in one case that I knew the mother ran away with the daughter and left her in Nazareth Lodge saying that she would come back but never did.   [size=78%]The grandparents never knew where the child was until she rang them when she was 17 years old. [/size] :(
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: misssmyth1 on December 07, 2016, 01:08:04 PM
Whatever the reasons I am just glad that there was somewhere where these  children  could  be left in safety and be cared for .. I' m sure there were many different reasons and I know from experience that not all families irish or not, are not always understanding or supportive  in many situations  and quite often judgemental . good luck and best wishes to all the children that went through Nazareth or any other  home ..and to the families that had to leave them there.. I'm sure most if not all  thought they were doing their best for the children. at least that's what I choose to believe..
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: smilesmile on February 03, 2017, 02:20:46 AM
i was in the baby home and moved to the "Big House" was there from 56 through to 65 had three brothers pass though i was 2nd youngest....was there when the school was built was called nazereth boys schools only for the kids at the home.
its changed now home is gone,school is renamed...i also put my two children through the school.
Nazareth lodge was the time and circumstances any body from above period can contact me :) [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: smilesmile on February 03, 2017, 02:26:21 AM
that would have been Sister Clare the bitch
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: smilesmile on February 03, 2017, 02:29:37 AM
hen house boy was called kevin heaney
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: smilesmile on February 03, 2017, 02:39:59 AM
terry mccauley still lives around the ormeau area i knew him and still know him...lost his son a few years ago wrecked his head
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: smilesmile on February 03, 2017, 02:42:31 AM
i knew Oliver during the time i was there
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Post by: smilesmile on February 03, 2017, 02:53:12 AM
Gabriel murrey last i know was the falls road divis flats
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: smilesmile on February 03, 2017, 02:58:44 AM
just wondering are there many other people who couldn't trace their siblings after being placed in a home ?
i did found alll my brothers and sisters
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: smilesmile on February 03, 2017, 03:12:05 AM
the lads who where there when i was there are a quite lot, we had a lot to hold in for those of us who where transferred to DE la salle it was worse.....there was good times but also bad times heart braking times but most of us survived some didn't,
a few who through the normal course of moving out from this home died wither by their own hand or through the troubles does any body remember Gabriel Savage (17) SHOT
my children are so important to me and i lived with the fear of the people coming for them as they did for me and my siblings i know it would not have happened but that fear stayed with me....i was a good father i think to my children but i would never want anyone to have to go though what we at Nazareth lodge went through you dont realize this until you grown up and mature
my surname is furey
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: James James on February 03, 2017, 04:01:03 AM
This is the brief record details of his loss. http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/cgi-bin/dyndeaths.pl (http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/cgi-bin/dyndeaths.pl)

There is quite a lot of information about that in various sources on the link below, and a portrait picture, be advised though, if you haven't already seen it, you may of course find the material to be rather traumatic. http://tinyurl.com/jz7poxq (http://tinyurl.com/jz7poxq)

He isn't listed here... https://www.findagrave.com/ (https://www.findagrave.com/) but if you wish to you can sign up to that site for free and create a record for him, and you can add any comments to it that you might wish to.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: James James on February 03, 2017, 04:28:00 AM
That first link doesn't seem to be working, it must be timing out, so just use the search page and it will bring up the record. http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/search.html (http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/search.html)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: mcgillfive on February 03, 2017, 06:32:01 PM
Our family had a relative who worked at Nazareth lodge,we also used to holiday in ballyhornan were we meet a lot of the children. They all seemed very happy and cheerful. I remember the little coloured lad ,my mother wanted to adopt him,I think his name was manny and the boy who spent his young years in a henhouse Kevin Halfpenny . I do have a photo of us in Ballyhornan.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: misssmyth1 on February 03, 2017, 07:08:48 PM
Was Kevin Halfpenny all right did he go on to have  a good life?  was it his parents who kept him in a hen house. thank you
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: mcgillfive on February 03, 2017, 07:41:02 PM
Hi, I did hear he was  ok .
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Post by: McNamee on February 03, 2017, 08:47:48 PM
misssmyth, I don't think there was a father..From what I remember there was only a mother.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: James James on February 03, 2017, 11:31:36 PM
Was Kevin Halfpenny all right did he go on to have  a good life?  was it his parents who kept him in a hen house. thank you
"He was found in 1956, being raised in a hen house in Broclough, County Down. When he was found, aged seven, he weighed only two stone. His height was a mere 30in, and he had suffered from rickets for at least five years owing to a lack of sunlight.

He could not speak but instead made the noises of chickens. His arm and leg joints were swollen, and his shin bones were concave. He could only stand without assistance for a few seconds.

After his chance discovery, the boy's mother, Margaret Halfpenny, was arrested for neglect, but was sentenced to only nine months in jail after pleading guilty. The judge said: ''I do not know whether you are entitled to demand mercy. Perhaps, who knows, there may be some divine providence who will provide it for you, a mercy I could never provide.''

Sister Irene Maher, of Nazareth House in Cape Town, said she had met Kevin later in his life, after he had been taken into religious care.

''The sister who admitted him to a Nazareth House at the time related how the boy perched on his cot and cawed like a hen all through the first few weeks following his admission,'' she said.

''I saw him grow up, responding to love, enjoying music, but at the same time requiring a lot of medical treatment, especially to his legs; in fact, he had to have a great deal of surgery to straighten them.''

After the brief public horror caused by his case, Kevin Halfpenny dropped out of history. "
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Post by: James James on February 04, 2017, 12:47:05 AM
Was Kevin Halfpenny all right did he go on to have  a good life?  was it his parents who kept him in a hen house. thank you
Bye-Child ... 115 minute 2003 short film

"The English-language short film "Bye-Child" tells a telling story in a few words: In rural Ireland, a young woman carries a secret. She hid her own child in a shed to protect her from her father. Thus the child grows up - without contact with people, without attention and without language.

The author and director of the short film is the Belfast born Irish writer Bernard MacLaverty.

"Bye-Child" converts the eponymous poem by the Irish Nobel Prize winner Seamus Heaney cinematically:

A child has to grow up hidden in a hen house without human attention and language. The poem with the Kaspar Hauser theme, incidentally, is based on a true story ("The Hen House Boy") that has actually taken place in rural Northern Ireland. In contrast to the poem, the film also reveals motivations for this imposed solitude."

The mother is played by the Irish actress Susan Lynch whose ability and performance during the making of the film particularly impressed MacLaverty.

In one scene her face is required to turn white, and when they shot the scene he was very impressed by her makeup, and then he realised that she wasn't wearing any, she had achieved the visual effect by acting ability.

The film uses a bit of anachronistic dramatic license by introducing TV viewing of the later 1969 moon landing coverage to compare and contrast the events of the actual 1956 year of discovery with the events of 1969 and to link them with the comparative lunar reference in Seamus Heaney's 1972 poem of the same name as the film.

This is the poem.
https://allpoetry.com/poem/11021427-Bye-Child-by-Seamus-Heaney (https://allpoetry.com/poem/11021427-Bye-Child-by-Seamus-Heaney)

This is a 1.5 minute trailer of the film.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/FKoJb6K_U6w (https://www.youtube.com/embed/FKoJb6K_U6w)

This is the url to download and save the full film as an MP4 format video file
http://tinyurl.com/glo73gx (http://tinyurl.com/glo73gx)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: misssmyth1 on February 04, 2017, 02:20:29 PM
Thank you all for the information.. How very sad .I shed a tear for the child.. 
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: McNamee on February 04, 2017, 08:43:49 PM
I  remember when this all happened...We were horrified that something like this happened...I was only a child but remember it so well. It was just like nothing we had ever heard of before. Shocking. It was the talk of Belfast.
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Post by: sj on February 04, 2017, 10:35:45 PM
On a positive note hasn't Smilesmile done well. :)  What ever happened to his post??
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Post by: McNamee on February 04, 2017, 11:02:46 PM
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Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: James James on February 05, 2017, 03:50:50 AM
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??...?! Yes indeed, his posts were still there the other day,... have they been zapped.? If so, I can't think why they would have been. BTW, apologies to the readers, I made a typo in post 301 about the length of the film, it isn't 115 minutes as I wrongly said,... it's 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: sj on February 05, 2017, 04:02:06 AM
Sorry Bernie & James he has posted on the thread " Whereabouts in the World do you post from ".  Quite a remarkable story.   ::)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: James James on February 05, 2017, 04:25:07 AM
Sorry Bernie & James he has posted on the thread " Whereabouts in the World do you post from ".  Quite a remarkable story.   ::) 
Thankyou, and yes, it is indeed, he's now in Java in Indonesia for the benefit of them that aren't up to speed yet.
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,51067.msg1939715.html#msg1939715 (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,51067.msg1939715.html#msg1939715)

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Post by: chi on February 05, 2017, 04:27:51 AM

My older brother was an ambulance
driver in the local Downshire hospital
in Downpatrick and was involved in
that case. :(
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: James James on February 05, 2017, 05:28:32 AM
That must have been pretty grim. I'm guessing, well not entirely guessing, that as was common practice in those days and with such organisations, the boy's name was probably changed before he was sent to South Africa, but in his case, both of those things were probably done for very good and positive reasons.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: smilesmile on February 05, 2017, 11:37:16 AM
did my posts disappear??????
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: James James on February 05, 2017, 12:07:51 PM
did my posts disappear? ??? ??
:) Nope.
Sorry Bernie & James he has posted on the thread " Whereabouts in the World do you post from ".  Quite a remarkable story. 
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Post by: sj on February 05, 2017, 10:02:38 PM
 Yes Smilesmile I think that you are to be commended for your efforts.  There are I suppose success stories and many sad stories but yours is a success story....Good luck and if I am ever in Java  .especially during June or July.  I will hopefully look you up but the plane that I am likely to be on would overfly Java. :D
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: smilesmile on February 06, 2017, 01:53:14 AM
i live in the foot hills of Gunung Salak (mount salak) about 70 k from Jakarta a lot cooler up here ,in fact its a place that is swamped at the weekends with local tourist from Jakarta to get away from the heat down there,Bogor was the preferred place when the British had control of Indonesia (only for a short time though)and the local Istana (Palace) was built my Sir Stanford Raffles he of Singapore fame.
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Post by: James James on February 06, 2017, 02:14:35 AM
Sounds fantastic, but what they reallllly need to know in BF is... what is the local flegggs situation.  :)
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: smilesmile on February 06, 2017, 02:42:36 AM
if the local politicos only shut their bakes for a while and listened to the people half the problems would go away quitely
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Post by: loney boy on June 20, 2017, 05:50:31 PM
Hi, I grew up in Naz/Lodge for nearly 13yrs. I was mostly in Sister Ambroses group. I would love to find any of my friends from that era...up until 1984
By the way I really gave the nuns a hard time...however, in my opinion they had a really hard job to do and did thier best
 with what they had...people should not be so quick to judge others..you know what He says "let them without sin cast the first stone" ???
also, is thier any of the staff out there?
Paddy I remember Gerard ( Sausage) Donnelly and Frankie Maughan and the Peke family Teresa and Johnny they where Nigerian kids and the infamous Mary Mulhearn the cook Pat McBride , Justin etc  the ex residents crew who helped out now and again , dya remember any of those names ??? .
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: loney boy on June 20, 2017, 06:05:10 PM
does anyone remember the maughan family who was in nazareth lodge in the care of the sisters of nazareth.there was eleven in the family and they were from a traveling background or so called gypsys as the nuns called us.dated from late 60s to 80s
Kathleen was there a Frankie Maughan about 12 -13 yrs old back in the late 70,s ?????
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: loney boy on June 20, 2017, 06:09:37 PM
76,500Euro is the average payout for a claim to the redress board. Upwards of a billion Euro in the fund!
People whose claims were found to be unsubstantiated by proper legal courts went to the redress board and ofcourse were compensated.  breaking the hearts of the wrongfully accused. How abusive is it when your life's work and reputation have been vindicated by a court of law and then stamped on by
a  loaded 'redress' board?
No one said there wasn't any unacceptable coverup, or that some of the accused are profoundly guilty.
What has been completely and deliberately 'forgotten' is that many, many thousands of unwanted ,broken
Irish kids were given a chance in life and fed, watered and educated by hundreds of hardworking, innocent, now all assumed to be guilty( without trial) 'demonic' Catholic clergy. That is the real thrust of the media reporting and the message which is being willingly promoted worldwide.
Put up a billionEuro fund for neutral or positive feedback.  and get the whole picture. We do not live in 1960's Mississippi, so  be very careful of being handed  and encouraged to use, 'a rope' . Step back and think for yourself whilst NEVER denying that wrong did take place. ... in all institutions religious or otherwise, Irish, British, Russian, Chinese, SeboCroat etc.etc.etc. at that time.  and  certainly today also. This idea that it is
'Catholicism'  and ALL  'the  religious' only to blame,  is obviously the brainchild of  ...
no prizes for guessing.
And so many are delighted with the chance to get stuck in.  'crucify him', 'crucify him'  
'they're all the same. .',  'bleed them dry. ',
Well said Sir .
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: loney boy on June 20, 2017, 06:12:07 PM
hi tony this is kathleen maughan do remember you.my brothers were in the same group as you franco and charlie.yes we remember terry and he is still living in belfast and working with the nuns.if you want to speak more send e.mail address.
Kathleen Terry died last year .
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Post by: loney boy on June 20, 2017, 06:25:23 PM
I worked in an office which prepared the weekly wages for the staff at Nazareth Lodge in the 80s. I remember a Mr Masterson, I think he was a manager of sorts.
Sometimes I had to to see the Mother Superior which was a gaunting exercise for a young lad, it was a really mysterious place.
Gerry Masterson is dead now , but his son Brendan owns the Pub right beside Nazareth Lodge huts in Ballyhornan , many memories of the kids there , Gerard Donnelly was allowed to come to our house on a Sunday for his dinner during the summer mths .
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Post by: Frankie Nolan on June 23, 2017, 12:49:19 AM
You can read the full story of 'The Henhouse Boy' [Kevin Halfpenny] on a Feral Children site.   I have often wondered what became of him...
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There was a short film made in 2003 screen play by Bernard McLaverty and bases on a poem by Seams Heaney called Bye Baby.  The film is also called Bye Baby and can be seen on youtube.  This film is an interpretation of what happened.  I worked in Nazareth Lodge in the 80s and there was a member of staff there, Mary  who cared for Kevin Halfpenny,  she did not like to talk about him but would have confirmed that he was very disabled both physically and emotionally.  She would have described his spine as very curved and his shins concave.  He had many surgeries that helped him to stand unaided later in life but the most shocking aspect of this awful abuse was that his mother was only sentenced to 9 months in prison.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: James James on June 23, 2017, 01:35:17 AM
If you look here...  https://www.boards.ie/b/thread/2056831498/206#95991514 (https://www.boards.ie/b/thread/2056831498/206#95991514)

about halfway down that page, or search the page for the word... failinis   there is an extensive series of messages about him
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Frankie Nolan on June 23, 2017, 01:49:35 AM
I was in nazerath lodge from 1992 to 1995 anyone else there at that time?

I was a member of staff working in Sr Anne's unit at this time
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Post by: Frankie Nolan on June 23, 2017, 01:57:44 AM
Hi my name is Michael,I was in Nazareth lodge from 1991 to 1997,the place got knocked down in the year of 2000 roughly,and ran by sister Teresa.and other nuns in the 3 units where sister Anne,sister Benedict and sister Aloysius,I had friends called Jackie and John there,just wondern if anybody out there that was there at that time and remember it was like for them also.

Hi Michael I worked in Sr Anne's unit at this time hope all is well with you.  Would love to hear about your memories of the place.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Frankie Nolan on June 23, 2017, 02:24:08 AM
Was Kevin Halfpenny all right did he go on to have  a good life?  was it his parents who kept him in a hen house. thank you

Kevin Halfpenny mother was found guilty of child cruelty but only was sentenced to 9 months in prison.  When I worked in Nazareth Lodge in the late 80s there was an older member of staff who cared for Kevin  during his time in the home.  He was badly physically and emotionally abused and had to have a number of operations over many years to help him stand up unaided.  I have been told that he was cared for by a very dedicated couple and he led a happy life.
There is a poem by Sheamus Heaney called Bye Child about Kevin.  This was later written into a screen play by Bernard McLaverty and made into a short film, also called Bye Child available online.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: misssmyth1 on June 24, 2017, 12:31:44 PM
how very sad Frankie about Kevin an innocent child I must see the film .although ill be sobbing for him  .
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Post by: Heximaid on March 18, 2018, 01:18:43 PM
I worked in Brefne Residental Nursery 1968 to 1974 . We have a group on Facebook for staff and children. We also have a group for Williamson/Shore had.
We have lots of photos and would love to hear from anyone.
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: highdreamer on March 24, 2019, 02:04:49 AM
Hi I was in St Josephs Babies home but when I was there in 1989 the age of 7 to 1994 when I left at the age of 12 we called it St. Josephs childrens home...  which was along time ago but to this day I always wondered how it was shut down I know Nazareth house beside us horrible things happened there we used to go over to chapekl every Sunday until one day it totally stopped and we started going to Good Shepard .. we were very lucky  none of that happened in St. Josephs from what I know I was only ever in one unit the younger I know there were three.. ive always wondered what happened to the children when it shut down..I remember some of the staff there Mark McKimmons Adele Patricia Ray Connie Mcvey she was the nicest one there I finally moved out when I was 12 but to this day ive always wondered about some of the kids there and how their lives turned out it was sad seeing people come and go.. if anyone was there at that time I would love to hear from yous  :) :)
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Post by: skylark21 on April 15, 2019, 07:45:46 PM
The home in the Somerton Road was called Brefne Residential Nursery for babies and young children up to the age of five. I worked there in the seventies and if there is anyone who also worked or lived there I would love to hear from you.

I lived there in the 70's. You probably dont log on here anymore but I figured I'd reply min the hope that you do. Would really love to chat.
Fs
Title: Re: Nazareth lodge orphanage in Belfast
Post by: Keyhole66 on April 28, 2019, 11:57:15 AM
I was in st Joseph's kids home 1979-1984 in general the staff were all very good  "except one Martin Murphy" Perv  haven't seen anyone since I left . We used to holiday in ballyhornan "good times"  sister John was in charge of our group if anybody has any memories please let me know