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Title: Ligoniel
Post by: Shillings on September 26, 2009, 10:39:34 PM
Anyone from Ligoniel on here, got any old Stories from the Ballysilliam Road or Silvertream from Back in the Day  ;)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: sydenhambetty on September 27, 2009, 01:00:13 AM
Shillings did you know the Mc Aleeses?
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Post by: ArdoynePaul on September 27, 2009, 04:06:14 PM
I knew Brian Mc Aleese,I went to school with him.They lived then on the Ligoniel Road about 5 0r 6 doors below the library but I think the family moved to Wolfhill Avenue. Sadly Brian is not with us now.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Shillings on September 28, 2009, 09:33:30 PM
No I dont know the McAleeses. We only lived in Ligoniel for a Few Months, but i just wanted to see of anyone had any old stories about the Place, and old Names because i might remember some people, but probably not  :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: big e on September 30, 2009, 12:23:32 AM
Isack had a barbers shop up past the police station on the left .Dont know his surname but the shop was covered with photos of boxers.Charged ninepence and every haircut was the same no matter what you asked for.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: poogle on September 30, 2009, 02:16:12 PM
Shillings,
             All my father's side of the family came from ligoniel-my aunt still lives there.It has changed alot over the years-lost the village attitude-shame.He and my uncles told me all kinds of stories about growing up in it.I still carry fond memories of visiting my Granny in  Ligoniel.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: headtheball on October 02, 2009, 09:25:31 PM
did you know the mcReynolds family?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: MAY ALLEN CRAWFORD on October 04, 2009, 01:28:34 PM
do you remember savage family  lived in esteriol park or edwards family from ladbroke drive i am their cousin
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: colgonk on October 21, 2009, 04:21:51 PM
Ligoniel library. One of my all time favourite places in Belfast. I spent a large part of my childhood in that building. Well, between that and the park across the road from it dossing around the old ruins of the mill at the back, reading books and beaking off school. Great days indeed.
A few years back I went on an internet treasure hunt trying to find pictures of the library. You would not believe how difficult that was. I ended up contacting them and asking if they'd have a couple of pictures to send me. They did. I was pleased. Out of interest, does anyone else have any pictures of aforementioned building? Scrap-book material, you know?
Hello, btw.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Shillings on October 25, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Was there anyone here from the Silverstream area ???
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: four-stroke on October 25, 2009, 08:34:50 PM
Ligoniel library. One of my all time favourite places in Belfast. I spent a large part of my childhood in that building. Well, between that and the park across the road from it dossing around the old ruins of the mill at the back, reading books and beaking off school. Great days indeed.
A few years back I went on an internet treasure hunt trying to find pictures of the library. You would not believe how difficult that was. I ended up contacting them and asking if they'd have a couple of pictures to send me. They did. I was pleased. Out of interest, does anyone else have any pictures of aforementioned building? Scrap-book material, you know?
Hello, btw.

I've been trying to locate a mill beside a diary farm in Ligoniel, dating back to 1869/70.
The farm was owned by a family called Stevenson who delivered milk around the Ligoniel area. The mill may have been called Montgomery"s. Could this be your "ruins of the old mill at the back of the park"? This family sold up and immigrated to southern Illinois, along with two of my ancestors who had married into it, in1870.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: four-stroke on October 25, 2009, 08:49:08 PM
Was there anyone here from the Silverstream area ???
My chum back in the late 1950"s was George Startup who lived just beyond the grassy bit on the left going down Silverstream Rd. He lives in Canada now--Ontario I think. We went to the Boys Model.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: big e on October 25, 2009, 09:23:51 PM
Hi Shillings and Four Stroke.
                   I lived in Silverstream Gardens up to 67. New Geordie Startup.
                  Tall fella with dark hair.
                  Tommy Beattie was a mate of mine.He lived a few doors away.     
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: colgonk on October 28, 2009, 05:37:48 PM
I've been trying to locate a mill beside a diary farm in Ligoniel, dating back to 1869/70.
The farm was owned by a family called Stevenson who delivered milk around the Ligoniel area. The mill may have been called Montgomery"s. Could this be your "ruins of the old mill at the back of the park"? This family sold up and immigrated to southern Illinois, along with two of my ancestors who had married into it, in1870.

That could well be the case, hey. For sure around the right time period. I've just went on a mental dander round there for the last few minutes. I mean a walk in my mind, not a meander full of crazy happenings. Mind slipping in my old age (sic). If I'm not mistaken when you walk straight across from the entrance to the park and old mill you end up in...what was the name of that estate? Glencairn? Typically the little glen was/has been/is being used as a dump site so what would have been a lovely little spot before the estate was built is/was full of old fridges, burnt out cars and rotting sofas. And sadly the 'dump dandruff' spreads rapidly. I never liked that estate. It always filled me with a sense of urgency to scat before sundown...but I digress...

Years ago (not sure if they are still there, although I doubt it very much) you could see the other marking stones/cairns that, if I'm not terrible mistaken in this, formed a triangle and gave rise to the estates name. One on the T.O.R beside an old well, long filled in and the other behind Ballysillan Primary school.

Gods teeth, but that takes me back.

"Was there anyone here from the Silverstream area"

I grew up in Ballysillan Drive, just round the corner. But I'm terrible for names and faces.

I always found it saddening that what was no doubt a 'silver stream' at one stage was turned into a sewer outlet.
The fun we had as kids when each and every year without fail the stream would rise and flood the roads. Treacherous around Wintertime when it froze over and we had to make it up the bloody hill on hands and knees to get to school.
And the little swampy pond behind our family home, full of frogs and pond skaters. I loved playing round there as a nipper. Then the powers that be built a housing estate over it. [censored]. At the same time they were building that they were also leveling most of the Ballysillan/Tyndale estate. Confused the hell out of me as a kid that did. Seemed wasteful in the extreme.

I've just noticed that I've went off one there and I'm meant to be getting dinner together...TO THE KITCHEN! 

(EDIT) "Tommy Beattie"

That does seem to ring faint bell for me. Did they deliver coal or collect old metal or something? That'll keep me puzzled all night now (sighs)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: headbanger on November 01, 2009, 10:17:19 PM
Isack had a barbers shop up past the police station on the left .Dont know his surname but the shop was covered with photos of boxers.Charged ninepence and every haircut was the same no matter what you asked for.
Isaac Henderson was the name,only one style of haircut short back an sides.  .Headbanger.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: gismo on November 01, 2009, 10:56:14 PM
h i cgonk like ur style very witty i use tioknow a girl from silverstream she was a lovely girl this was in the sixtes she had polio when she was a child which affected one of here legs i lost contact with her i often wonder what happened to her i met her in the savoy they were showing madam x i also knew a guy called malcolm kindeness ring any bells gismo
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: honestmay on November 04, 2009, 02:25:03 AM
hello gismo would the person you r talking about be called Roberta Moody . from silverstream road
.joan
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Michelle McCarron on May 08, 2011, 09:15:11 PM
do you remember savage family  lived in esteriol park or edwards family from ladbroke drive i am their cousin

My family are savages and are from Ligoniel-Ballysillan road.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: stewie on May 08, 2011, 09:27:59 PM
Isaac Henderson was the name,only one style of haircut short back an sides.  .Headbanger.
used to go to a a House on the TOR :smile:  turn of the road ;) an oul boy did hair cuts in his front room :smile:  we knew him as Isaac :smile: wonder was he the same person :smile:
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on May 09, 2011, 12:43:27 PM
I WAS RAISED ON THE LIGONIEL RD WENT TO INFANT SCHOOL AT WOLFHILL
 
LIVED WITH MY GRAN IN THE OLD WHITE WASHED HOUSES  ON FRONTOF THE ROAD  GREAT PLACE BACK THEN IT REALLY DID HAVE A VILLAGE ATMOSPHERE , KNEW THE BOWLS, SCULLIONS ,,MCGINTYS ,,RICHIES , O HARAS , ROSS ,ETC
MY GRAN WAS A TOLAND  FROM FINLEY ST ,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: MAY ALLEN CRAWFORD on May 09, 2011, 01:07:03 PM
PERHAPS WE ARE RELATED MY COUSIN BILLY SAVAGE WAS CHOIRMASTER HIS BROTHER JIMMY MARRIED ETHNA AND LIVED IN ETNA DRIVE LOTS OF OTHERS EDWARDS LIVED IN LADBROKE DRIVE  I AM STILL IN TOUCH WITH ETTA  MULLAN ( NEE EDWARDS )
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: allymac on May 09, 2011, 01:25:24 PM
My Mothers uncle,Jim Patton,lived in Wolfhill until the 1970's.I think he was the last member of the family to leave Ligoniel.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Lorraine Johnston on June 22, 2011, 03:05:34 AM
Hi my mum comes from ligoniel she lived in mountiainview place right at the top near hughy shop.
Mr granda was in the sons of the heather pipe band.
does anyone outhere remember hessie and jamsey man they lived beside my granda and grannie.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brodie on June 22, 2011, 11:20:07 AM
Anyone from Ligoniel on here, got any old Stories from the Ballysilliam Road or Silvertream from Back in the Day  ;)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brodie on June 22, 2011, 11:37:21 AM
I used to live in Silverstream mid 50's-early 60's and despite the usual hardships of that era,
I can truthfully say they were some of the happiest days of my life!
I also went to primary school in Ligoniel (remember the Library and park well) and also attended
Wheatfield primary and Model school. I also knew Ballysillan area in those days.
I am new to the forum so am just getting to know the set up.I have thoroughly enjoyed all the posts I have
read so far and have learned so much about the recent history of such a memorable place. Thanks to all
the wonderful people on the forum. :smile:
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Lorraine Johnston on June 23, 2011, 01:57:20 AM
Hi my mum is betty todd nee thompson she lived in ligoniel i used to live beside wee billie ritchie on the ballysillan road near the opening to the bowling green.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on June 23, 2011, 07:17:20 AM
Hi my mum is betty todd nee thompson she lived in ligoniel i used to live beside wee billie ritchie on the ballysillan road near the opening to the bowling green.
Hi Lorraine I knew a Roberta Todd. Her brother was Howard, There mother's name was something like Lala ( perhaps not spelt, correctly, my excuse is I went to St. Marks school)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Moonlight on June 23, 2011, 08:04:46 AM
How did you people from Ligoniel pronounce it?.  My mother came from Ardoyne and had friends in Ligoniel.  She used to prounounce it Laganeil and my husband used to argue that it was Lig (rhymes with jig).   So how did the ones who lived their pronounce it?.   Just curious. :air_kiss:
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brodie on June 23, 2011, 09:21:27 AM
Hi Moonlight, We pronounced it Lag a neil but then I was educated at St.Mark's!  :smile:
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brodie on June 23, 2011, 09:25:51 AM
Fulton - Do you remember any of the Teachers at St.Mark's?
ie. Mrs.Mcquitty,Mrs.Ritchie,Miss Luff,Mr.Lamont and of course the unforgettable
Mr.(taffy)Welchman.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brodie on June 23, 2011, 09:33:21 AM
Doffer- I was always fascinated with Ligoniel,especially the row of white washed cottages,
sitting back from the road,behind a stone wall.I also remember a girl Martha McGinty who
lived there and attended StMark's,if my memory serves me right.
I also remember Bill's loney that led to some farm houses and a short cut home to
Silverstream,even though we were told to keep to the main roads.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Moonlight on June 23, 2011, 10:26:52 AM
Hi Moonlight, We pronounced it Lag a neil but then I was educated at St.Mark's!  :smile:

Thanks Brodie, Sure we never pronounced anything right in Belfast.  That's part of the fun. but it must confuse the outsiders. :D .
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on June 23, 2011, 12:10:12 PM
Fulton - Do you remember any of the Teachers at St.Mark's?
ie. Mrs.Mcquitty,Mrs.Ritchie,Miss Luff,Mr.Lamont and of course the unforgettable
Mr.(taffy)Welchman.

G'day  Brodie, I remember Mr. Lamont ( he taught me in several grades) and Mr. Welchman. ( he taught me in 7th, grade) other teachers I remember over the years were Miss Ray" a lovely lady" Miss Miller, Miss Murray( to become Mrs. Kennedy) Mrs Macammy "an old so&so.) Mr. Grey, and Mr. cummings. You have brought back some wonderful memories.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on June 23, 2011, 12:48:00 PM
Doffer- I was always fascinated with Ligoniel,especially the row of white washed cottages,
sitting back from the road,behind a stone wall.I also remember a girl Martha McGinty who
lived there and attended StMark's,if my memory serves me right.
I also remember Bill's loney that led to some farm houses and a short cut home to
Silverstream,even though we were told to keep to the main roads.    Martha Mc Ginty lived 2doors from my Granny.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on June 23, 2011, 01:11:14 PM

 

THE MCGINTY FAMILY LIVED A FEW DOORS AWAY FROM MY GRANDMA  I KNEW THEM WELL GROWING UP IN LAG A NEL  LOL
I HAVE A FEELING I MAY HAVE KNOWN THE FULTONS ALSO ,
SCULLIONS ,ROSS ,RITCHIE WEE SHOP ,BOAL FAMILY ETC ALL SAME ROAD
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on June 24, 2011, 10:40:02 AM
THE MCGINTY FAMILY LIVED A FEW DOORS AWAY FROM MY GRANDMA  I KNEW THEM WELL GROWING UP IN LAG A NEL  LOL
I HAVE A FEELING I MAY HAVE KNOWN THE FULTONS ALSO ,
SCULLIONS ,ROSS ,RITCHIE WEE SHOP ,BOAL FAMILY ETC ALL SAME ROAD
Did you know the Haddicks, or the McCloys?
Title: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on January 28, 2012, 06:54:07 AM
Maybe Doffer or some other members might remember these places.
I will start at the intersection of Bilston(The Loney) when I was there,and Crumlin Rd.
Shops- Co-op,McEvoys sweet shop,row of houses then Walkers toy shop,Billy Cobweb's( wee grubby) sweet shop,George
Hilary(grocer)Pub,Primrose milk bar,fish shop,O'Hara's bakery,more houses and Ballysillan Church.

Opposite side,starting at corner of Ligoniel Rd.and Crumlin Rd. - Mrs.Young's,sold lovely bacon,cheese,spuds,wee bundle of sticks-she let us weigh our own potatoes.
Across the ligoniel Rd.from here there was a fruit and veg.shop(not sure but think it was Mrs.Cairns)heading down towards
city,butcher Mawhinneys,shoe shop,hairdresser(Hoffmans) Barber,some houses,past Oakley St. Lynas's milk bar,Fish and
chippy,wool shop,grocer,Elim Gospel Hall,Glenbank Dr. Plots(lovely tomatoes from the glass houses) I can almost still smell them.

These are memories from early 1960's so a bit sketchy. :)
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Ulster1922 on January 28, 2012, 10:27:07 AM
What great memories. .Thank you for sharing. .Billy Scott
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on January 28, 2012, 12:00:05 PM
What great memories. .Thank you for sharing. .Billy Scott

Your most welcome,Billy.I can truly say that growing up in Belfast was one of the
happiest times in my life and I have many treasured memories of my childhood there.
Kind regards.N.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Ulster1922 on January 29, 2012, 09:50:35 AM
Know what you mean newry. I grew up on the Oldpark Rd/Manor St & love my memories.
I often think of all the places in Belfast I used to go as a boy & the memories I have. One of my favorites
was going to the Albert Bridge to watch the boats leave the quay & dream of all the places I wanted to visit.
I'm sure we all have memories that would be nice to share on the forum.
It would be nice to start a new thread for something like that.....Billy
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on January 30, 2012, 02:20:08 PM
Hi Billy,
I remember the upper part of Oldpark Rd. as I went to school
in Dunkeld Gdns.
Did you ever follow those dreams?
I too used to spend a lot of time( when I was supposed to be helping with the chores)
gazing out our bedroom window at the picturesque view of the city and harbour and wonder
what adventures lay ahead for me. :) Even though times were tough especially for our
parents,we were safe and happy and learnt a lot of valuable lessons.
It's way past my bed time so I will say good night.

Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: four-stroke on January 30, 2012, 05:44:20 PM
I remember coming home from school (old Model on Cliftonville Rd) and being nearly blown off my feet in a fierce gale at the corner of Manor St and Oldpark Rd. When I got home, I learned the Princess Victoria had gone down  that day. 1953 I think(?) Dont know why I wasn't on a (Waterworks) bus; maybe they were off that day.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: theengineer on January 30, 2012, 08:38:44 PM
Good memory Newry !
I remember most of those names myself, grew up in Wheatfield. .went to Everton Primary and Forth River Primary.
There was also Hamiltons Chemists at the "turn" of the road and a shop opposite Ballysillan Church, but cant remember the name....remember buying sweets there after rationing!
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Ulster1922 on January 31, 2012, 09:42:37 AM
Hi newry, I did indeed follow them dreams. After many trips to England & Europe, I came to the USA & have visited 46 states & Canada
I still love to travel although not as much as I used to because of health issues.
I went to Finiston & Boys Model & used to love to look down over the lough & watch the boats come & go & watch planes take off from Short Bros. & Harland. They were happy day's as you said.
Well I am off to bed. Take care, Billy Scott
 
Hi Billy,
I remember the upper part of Oldpark Rd. as I went to school
in Dunkeld Gdns.
Did you ever follow those dreams?
I too used to spend a lot of time( when I was supposed to be helping with the chores)
gazing out our bedroom window at the picturesque view of the city and harbour and wonder
what adventures lay ahead for me. :) Even though times were tough especially for our
parents,we were safe and happy and learnt a lot of valuable lessons.
It's way past my bed time so I will say good night.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on January 31, 2012, 11:42:43 AM
Good memory Newry !
I remember most of those names myself, grew up in Wheatfield. .went to Everton Primary and Forth River Primary.
There was also Hamiltons Chemists at the "turn" of the road and a shop opposite Ballysillan Church, but cant remember the name....remember buying sweets there after rationing!

Thanks engineer,I left out the chemist! I was beginning to think I had just imagined those places.
I started school at St.Mark's primary,then Wheatfield,then Girl's Model,then finished school in England.
I remember a shop on the same side of the road as the church,but can't picture the one opposite.I will
ask my older sister.we were there mid 50's - early 60's.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: theengineer on February 02, 2012, 10:21:08 PM
The shop I remember was just opposite the Church. It was still there for a long time after I had left the area.
Unfortunately there was some trouble, the shop closed and is now just a house. The chemist (Mr Hamilton) retired and his son took over the running of the place. I knew him well when we were growing up.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: udini on February 03, 2012, 04:02:50 AM
I remember the turn of the road well. I lived down Harmony Hill and one day while a friend, Tom Adams, and I were throwing stones into the river he hit me on the back of my head and split it open . The closest place to get it stitched was Hamiltons Chemist and that's where I was taken. He stitched me up and sent me on my way!
I moved up to Glenbank Place a little later on, but have fond memories of the area and Tom Adams , whereever he is.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: kate.o on February 03, 2012, 04:23:39 AM
Hi newry, I did indeed follow them dreams. After many trips to England & Europe, I came to the USA & have visited 46 states & Canada
I still love to travel although not as much as I used to because of health issues.
I went to Finiston & Boys Model & used to love to look down over the lough & watch the boats come & go & watch planes take off from Short Bros. & Harland. They were happy day's as you said.
Well I am off to bed. Take care, Billy Scott
hi Ulster,what a great story,you went with your
 dreams and done it, good on you love,I hope your health issues are small  *
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on February 03, 2012, 04:45:04 AM
I remember the turn of the road well. I lived down Harmony Hill and one day while a friend, Tom Adams, and I were throwing stones into the river he hit me on the back of my head and split it open . The closest place to get it stitched was Hamiltons Chemist and that's where I was taken. He stitched me up and sent me on my way!
I moved up to Glenbank Place a little later on, but have fond memories of the area and Tom Adams , whereever he is.

I remember Harmony Hill - I think.
Was there a little row of houses on the left and a fast flowing river that was often different colours due
to the dye effluent from the mill?
We used to slide down the hill in our make believe sleigh (tin tea tray ) when it snowed!

I think we all got good service from Mr.Hamilton.Can you imagine the Pharmacist's these days, dressing burns or stitching
wounds?

Can you remember any other names of the people from those days?
We went to St.Mark's,Wheatfield,Everton(my sister) and The Model,also Ballysillan. :)
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: udini on February 03, 2012, 04:57:58 AM
Yes Newry,
There was a row of white-washed houses about 8 , we lived in number 3 . Across from them there was one house owned by Jimmy Dill . The Granvilles, McCoys are the only names I remember . I also went to St. Marks around 1953-1960 then Everton till 1964.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: theengineer on February 04, 2012, 10:36:00 AM
Harmony Village, I am surprised some of you remember it ( and lived there !).
As youngsters we spent most of our summer in " the Glen", including waiting at the weekend for the "flood" !
This was the factory upstream letting all that weeks water out of the dam. It changed colour evey week, depending I suppose on what the factory was dyeing.
We would walk through Harmony on the way to St Marys cricket ground, or if you went straight ahead you would come to Robins Well. This was an actual well ( like you see in postcards) with a fish in it to keep the water fresh. Belonged to a farm up the hill.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Linda McCready on February 08, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
Hi Jr Member Newry.  Do you mind if I correct you on the shops.  I lived in Silverstream Road and remember the Crumlin Road/Ligoniel Road very well.  There was a shoe shop on the corner then if I remember an undertakers next door to Lynas's paper shop.  I'm not sure what was next door then a wool shop and then the post office.  Am I right so far.  Further on down the road before the Plots there was a supermarket called Becks that was beside the Mayfair sweet shop.  I remember that well we used to buy FIZZ there that coloured our tongue and fingers.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Wasup on February 09, 2012, 08:33:20 PM
 
I dont remember those shops but then my memory is not that good!  I lived in Donaldson Crescent (off Twaddle Ave)  I remember well me and my mates and just about everyone else walking up Ligoniel road on a Sunday and walking back down again as there was nothing else to do!   How sad is that? We would sit on the window ledges of the fire station and chat for a while and then dander up the road for some action!  Never got any of course!  Best place to be was Freddie McCanns chippy late at night and Angela serving you. Think she ended up in Australia.   I was in love with her. I was 13 and she must have been twice my age at least but it didnt matter to me.  Probably did to her though! Ah.... loves sweet dream.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Linda McCready on February 09, 2012, 08:40:53 PM
Did you walk through Ligoniel Park?  If so do you remember the 'Banana' tree?  We used to have our wee picnics there and it was our special place!!  That was when we didn't have a care or worry in the world..
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: theengineer on February 09, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
Those memories are coming thick and fast. !
I do remember Ligoniel Park but not the Banana tree. .got my first black eye there from one of the seesaws, and I remember a neighbour taking me to the park for a party at the end of the war but I was just too young and cried to get home again!
Years later wee too walked the road on Sundays, watching all the talent.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Wasup on February 09, 2012, 08:55:53 PM
 
Am I cracking up? Ligoniel Park? What was that? I,m getting really worried now.  We were probably to busy looking for talent that we missed the park and fell into the wishing well!
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: theengineer on February 09, 2012, 09:22:35 PM
Oh I do love your humour Wasup.  ... ???
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Wasup on February 09, 2012, 09:26:51 PM
 
Thanks theengineer. I do my best.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Foundry on February 10, 2012, 01:08:48 AM
Shop across from the elim was greggs,then there was issac used to cut hair for 5p in his house facing the mayfair shop
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on February 10, 2012, 07:03:24 AM
Hi Linda,
Thanks for refreshing my memories.I now recall Mayfair"s (lovely icecream and red and yellow fizz) and
Becks supermarket.
There were some other shops along that section but I would need some prompting to remember them.lol.
I remember the park with it's lovely big trees,flowers and of course playground.I liked the way you could
enter it from Ligoniel Rd. and walk through to Glenbank Drive.
I used to know some folk from Silverstream Rd.What time frame did you live there?
Do you know if there was a Doctor's surgery along the Ligoniel Rd.Before the old Mission Hall,on the same side
as the park?

Regards,N. :)

quote author=Linda McCready link=topic=43014.msg1072411#msg1072411 date=1328732272]
Hi Jr Member Newry.  Do you mind if I correct you on the shops.  I lived in Silverstream Road and remember the Crumlin Road/Ligoniel Road very well.  There was a shoe shop on the corner then if I remember an undertakers next door to Lynas's paper shop.  I'm not sure what was next door then a wool shop and then the post office.  Am I right so far.  Further on down the road before the Plots there was a supermarket called Becks that was beside the Mayfair sweet shop.  I remember that well we used to buy FIZZ there that coloured our tongue and fingers.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on February 10, 2012, 07:06:22 AM
Thanks Foundry,
I can remember the little shop,but didn't know it was Gregg's.

Shop across from the elim was greggs,then there was issac used to cut hair for 5p in his house facing the mayfair shop
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Linda McCready on February 10, 2012, 11:40:32 AM
I don't recall a doctor's surgery on the Ligoniel Road but our doctor - Dr Jackson had his surgery opposite O'Hara's bakery.  I lived at Silverstream from 1954 - 1970 when we had to move due to the troubles.  Where did you live?
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: theengineer on February 10, 2012, 11:56:33 AM
Hi Linda, where was O'Hara's bakery please?
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on February 10, 2012, 12:41:59 PM
 
Silverstream Tce.from 1955-1963,so we may have crossed paths.
I am almost sure the Dr. I was thinking of was further up Ligoniel Road but I may be wrong.
I remember the "Loney" before it became Bilston's Rd,and the bus terminus used to be at the beginning of
the terrace and s.stream Rd.
Happy memories of my time there :)

Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Linda McCready on February 10, 2012, 04:30:48 PM
Hi The Engineer O'Hara's bakery was past The Primrose sweet shop and the drapers (can't remember the name.  I remember having to queue up for bread during the strike and very bad weather.

Hi Newry, what is your name, I probably know you?  What school did you go to?  I went to The Convent of Mercy on the Crumlin Road then graduated to Our Lady of Mercy on the Bilston Road.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: DOFFER on February 10, 2012, 05:26:18 PM
Silverstream Tce.from 1955-1963,so we may have crossed paths.
I am almost sure the Dr. I was thinking of was further up Ligoniel Road but I may be wrong.
I remember the "Loney" before it became Bilston's Rd,and the bus terminus used to be at the beginning of
the terrace and s.stream Rd.
Happy memories of my time there (http://belfastforum.co.uk/Smileys/excellent/smile.gif)

 
newry hi you are correct there was a dr on ligoniel rd his nAME WAS DR NELSON   HE WAS MINE AND GRANS DR  ,IF I RECALL CORRECTLY HE WAS MORE THAN OFTEN  OVER THE EIGHT BUT A NICE WEE MAN LOL
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Linda McCready on February 10, 2012, 08:27:17 PM
Hello Doffer, what is your name and where did you live?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on February 16, 2012, 12:45:37 PM
 :preved: Great to hear that a few of you are interested in Silverstream and St Mark's in the late 50's and early 60's. We lived in Silverstream and I attended St Mark's until 63 when my family moved to Australia. Mr Lamont was my last teacher before leaving the school and Mrs McQuitty was my sister's. She was one of the very few women I knew who drove a car (a little Hillman Minx from memory).

I'm new to this kind of thing, and although I've got a squillion questions and names to throw around, I'll keep this short until I get to know the ropes. "Brodie" sounds like someone I may have known.
Fulton - Do you remember any of the Teachers at St.Mark's?
ie. Mrs.Mcquitty,Mrs.Ritchie,Miss Luff,Mr.Lamont and of course the unforgettable
Mr.(taffy)Welchman.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on February 16, 2012, 03:12:27 PM
Doffer- I was always fascinated with Ligoniel,especially the row of white washed cottages,
sitting back from the road,behind a stone wall.I also remember a girl Martha McGinty who
lived there and attended StMark's,if my memory serves me right.
I also remember Bill's loney that led to some farm houses and a short cut home to
Silverstream,even though we were told to keep to the main roads.
 HI BRODIE ,THE ROW O FWHITEWASHED  COTTAGES  WERE CALLED EMERSONS ROW MY GREAT UNCLE LIVED THERE  HIS NAME WAS TOLAND HAD CHILDREN JEMMA  CANT RECALL BOYS NAME , I REMEMBER  BILLS LONELY ALRIGHT GOT CHASED BY A BILLY GOAT UP THERE  CHASED ME ALL OVER THE FIELDS , BILLS LONELY AND LIGONIEL WERE MY  PLAYGROUND ,,, THANKS FOR REMINDING ME ,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: glenb on February 16, 2012, 05:59:09 PM
What was the name of the disused factory right behind Ligoneil with the river flowing through it, by it??? Had great times there, remember collecting frog spawn and cheesers on the way up. The park at Ligoneil was great also.
A mate of mine from the Bone (Saunders) Granny or Aunt lived there
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on February 16, 2012, 08:08:30 PM
What was the name of the disused factory right behind Ligoneil with the river flowing through it, by it??? Had great times there, remember collecting frog spawn and cheesers on the way up. The park at Ligoneil was great also.
A mate of mine from the Bone (Saunders) Granny or Aunt lived there

 
HI GLEN I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN WOLF HILL MILL  ,OWNED BY MR MALONE  ,HE AND HIS WIFE HAD A BEAUTIFUL  HOUSE  CALLED MALONE  HOUSE  IT WAS TRUELY LOVELY  LIKE AN OLD STYLE  AMERICAN COLONIAL HOUSE THAT YOU SEE AROUNF VIRGINA USA ,   WENT TO THE HOUSE MANY TIMES  MRS MALONE A BEAUTIFUL   LADY WOULD LET ME WALK ROUND  AND AFTERWARDS  KID SIT BY THE RIVER THAT PASSED THROUGH THE LAND SHE WOULD BRING ME LEMONADE AND BISCUITS ,  I WAS TOLD SOME YRS AGO THAT LOVELY HOUSE HAD BEEN DESTROYED , DURING THE TROUBLES,,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: glenb on February 16, 2012, 08:17:26 PM
Doffer, thanks, it was truly an idyllic place....remember just lying on the bank or throwing stones into the River...We were told to stay clear of the mill (for whatever reason)...Remember where the river just entered or went by the mill, the old red bricks, the overhanging trees, and the river....memories that will be with me forever
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on February 16, 2012, 08:27:05 PM
Doffer, thanks, it was truly an idyllic place....remember just lying on the bank or throwing stones into the River...We were told to stay clear of the mill (for whatever reason)...Remember where the river just entered or went by the mill, the old red bricks, the overhanging trees, and the river....memories that will be with me forever

 
 
GLEN I TOO  SPENT MOST OF MY EARLY CHILDHOOD ROAMING THOSE FIELDS   WITH FRIENDS  , GETTING TO FATHER GRAHMES  FARM  TO PICK COBNUTS ETC ,,, THINK REASON TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT RIVER WAS I  WAS TOLD BY AN UNCLE  ,THE MILL USED DYES ETC  AND BLEACH AND THE WASTE RAN INTO THE RIVER OF COURSE AS KIDS WE IGNORED SUCH TALK  AND I NEVER HAD PROBLEMS  &CANT RECALL ANY OTHER KIDS HAVEING THEM EITHER , ,
YOU KNOW ID GIVE AN ARM TO  DOWN THE BRAY  AND OVER THOSE FIELDS AGAIN  :(
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: glenb on February 16, 2012, 08:41:07 PM
Agreed. In one of the fields there were several big chestnut trees, we would go up and collect them...great place for kids, frog ponds, etc. Yes, remember about the dyes etc in the river, didn't stop us either, remember people swimming in the river. But as it got close to the mill it ran fast, I was a scaredy cat to jump in.
 
 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on February 17, 2012, 04:27:11 AM
:preved: Great to hear that a few of you are interested in Silverstream and St Mark's in the late 50's and early 60's. We lived in Silverstream and I attended St Mark's until 63 when my family moved to Australia. Mr Lamont was my last teacher before leaving the school and Mrs McQuitty was my sister's. She was one of the very few women I knew who drove a car (a little Hillman Minx from memory).

I'm new to this kind of thing, and although I've got a squillion questions and names to throw around, I'll keep this short until I get to know the ropes. "Brodie" sounds like someone I may have known.
G'day Elwood. I remember Mr. Lamont he taught me in several grads. Mr. welshman taught me in 7th. grade, that was my last year at school, 1952.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on February 17, 2012, 04:49:46 AM
Hi Linda,I went to St.Mark's,Wheatfield and the GMS.
Some of my friends went to St.Vincent's and Our Lady's.( Stewart's,Bell's,Portlock)
I remember the Murphy's,Mayne's,Russell's,Willis Beattie,from S/S Road.
Good times back then.No time to get bored,plenty to do and lots of "Wee Chums"to play with.
Regards, N.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: RSL on February 17, 2012, 05:02:53 AM
Hi Doffer,
Thanks for the info. on Dr.Nelson.
What does the term "over the eight"mean?
Can you remember whereabouts his surgery was?
I enjoy reading your stories,takes me back to a special time in my life.
Had a good laugh about the goat up Bill's loney! :D
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: RSL on February 17, 2012, 05:19:17 AM
Hi Elwood,
Yes it's good to hear from other people from our childhood days :) .
I lived in Silverstream and went to St.Mark's also.
I remember the Headmaster(Mr.Welshman) used to hold assembly (think it was
every morning)in the classroom that was shared with Mr.Lamont and his piano.
If you were late the big wooden door was closed and it was just about impossible to get in.
I remember the door had a metal bar across, like the doors they have in Gym's.
If you were discovered to be late,you had to walk up to the front of the assembly and explain
in front of everyone!I would love to hear your memories and also any names that you may recall.
Regards,N.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on February 17, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
Hi Doffer,
Thanks for the info. on Dr.Nelson.
What does the term "over the eight"mean?
Can you remember whereabouts his surgery was?
I enjoy reading your stories,takes me back to a special time in my life.
Had a good laugh about the goat up Bill's loney! :D
Over the eight ment! to much to drink.    Dr. Nelson was on the same side of Ligoniel Rd. as St. marks school. His practice was on the corner, and on the other corner was the chemist. A few doors up was the pub with the betting shop around the back.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on February 17, 2012, 02:21:28 PM
G'day Elwood. I remember Mr. Lamont he taught me in several grads. Mr. welshman taught me in 7th. grade, that was my last year at school, 1952.

Hi Ya Fulton. So goooood to hear from you!!  I'm going through a very nostalgic period. You and "Brodie" sound like a couple of people I should know from the old days. I just want to point out that not only did I grow up in Silverstream and go to St Mark's, but I was born in Ligoniel, opposite Ewart's Mill (???) and Castle's Drapery. (????) My granny, granda, ma and da, uncles and aunts, all worked in the mills over the years. I'm very proud of my working class background. From the dates you've listed, it would appear that you are older than I. You may have known my (late) mother (Hazel Cairns) She was also taught by Mr Lamont!!  However, like all Ballysillan (turn of the road) and Ligoniel kids, they ended up working at one of the mills.
Very excited (in the antipodes) about a reply from my real home!!

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on February 17, 2012, 04:05:05 PM
Hi Ya Fulton. So goooood to hear from you!!  I'm going through a very nostalgic period. You and "Brodie" sound like a couple of people I should know from the old days. I just want to point out that not only did I grow up in Silverstream and go to St Mark's, but I was born in Ligoniel, opposite Ewart's Mill ( ??? ) and Castle's Drapery. ( ??? ?) My granny, granda, ma and da, uncles and aunts, all worked in the mills over the years. I'm very proud of my working class background. From the dates you've listed, it would appear that you are older than I. You may have known my (late) mother (Hazel Cairns) She was also taught by Mr Lamont!!  However, like all Ballysillan (turn of the road) and Ligoniel kids, they ended up working at one of the mills.
Very excited (in the antipodes) about a reply from my real home!!

 
 
HI THERE ELWOOD  I TOO WAS BORN IN LIGONIEL I ALSO LIVED OPPOSITE CASTLES DRAPERY  , NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOURS WERE THE BOAL FAMILY ,THE  ROSS,S  THEN SCULLIANS  ,MC GINTYS  , DO YOU REMEMBER RICHIES SHOP AND THE SHOP A WEE BIT FURTHER UP GOLDYWINS , ,,,,,,,,,,,,,MAYBE YOUR TO YOUNG  LOL
GRAND PLACE TO BE RAISED WE HAD EVERYTHING  AT A HAND ,FIELDS  RIVERS  WE WERE BLESSED ,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on February 18, 2012, 02:15:56 AM

 
 
HI THERE ELWOOD  I TOO WAS BORN IN LIGONIEL I ALSO LIVED OPPOSITE CASTLES DRAPERY  , NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOURS WERE THE BOAL FAMILY ,THE  ROSS,S  THEN SCULLIANS  ,MC GINTYS  , DO YOU REMEMBER RICHIES SHOP AND THE SHOP A WEE BIT FURTHER UP GOLDYWINS , ,,,,,,,,,,,,,MAYBE YOUR TO YOUNG  LOL
GRAND PLACE TO BE RAISED WE HAD EVERYTHING  AT A HAND ,FIELDS  RIVERS  WE WERE BLESSED ,

Hi Doffer

I do remember the McGintys! and I certainly remember Richies' shop . . . macaroons and Walkers Carmels. The other names aren't familiar, may have been before my time. We stayed with my granny quite a bit when were kids and spent a lot of time in Ligoniel. I remember eating vegetable soup in Mrs McGinty's and my (Great) Aunts Jane and Lizzy would often call us in for some rhubarb or an orange (quite a treat) although being so young we never really got to know these women very well. I also remember a dowager of a woman called Bella Armstrong who lent money at interest and took snuff.

You're right about it being a great place. We kids used to disappear for hours over the Bray, collecting hazelnuts, playing wee house and wee shop, etc etc. Halloween and Christmas were the BEST!  Hope to talk again soon.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on February 18, 2012, 02:34:09 AM
Hi Ya Fulton. So goooood to hear from you!!  I'm going through a very nostalgic period. You and "Brodie" sound like a couple of people I should know from the old days. I just want to point out that not only did I grow up in Silverstream and go to St Mark's, but I was born in Ligoniel, opposite Ewart's Mill (???) and Castle's Drapery. (????) My granny, granda, ma and da, uncles and aunts, all worked in the mills over the years. I'm very proud of my working class background. From the dates you've listed, it would appear that you are older than I. You may have known my (late) mother (Hazel Cairns) She was also taught by Mr Lamont!!  However, like all Ballysillan (turn of the road) and Ligoniel kids, they ended up working at one of the mills.
Very excited (in the antipodes) about a reply from my real home!!  G'day Elwood. The name Hazel Cairns, rings a bell! Did she have a brother David?  He lived in the street opposit the Library. (I think it was called Legann St.) If so David and I were in the same class at St.Marks. There was a break between the houses, in Legann St. we used it to go into the park. Some of the people that Doffer spoke off, I also knew. It's a small world. I would be pleased to hear about any of the people I once knew.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: RSL on February 18, 2012, 03:45:48 AM
Hi Fulton,
Thanks for your reply re.Dr's in Ligoniel.
I must be dreaming,but I thought there was another one on
the same side as the park and a clinic where we had to go to collect a
small glass bottle of orange juice concentrate and codliver oil for the baby
in the family.
I also remember a street on the same side of the park where you could
cut through to Lavens Drive?
I don't think it was Legann though.
I remember along Crumlin rd. just after the Loney(Bilston's Rd.)
there was Legmail St. Leroy St. Primrose St. then Legann St.
On opposite side Lavens Dr. Oakley St. and then Glenbank Dr.
I stand to be corrected as it's a very long time since I tread those streets. :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on February 18, 2012, 11:58:55 AM
Hi Doffer

I do remember the McGintys! and I certainly remember Richies' shop . . . macaroons and Walkers Carmels. The other names aren't familiar, may have been before my time. We stayed with my granny quite a bit when were kids and spent a lot of time in Ligoniel. I remember eating vegetable soup in Mrs McGinty's and my (Great) Aunts Jane and Lizzy would often call us in for some rhubarb or an orange (quite a treat) although being so young we never really got to know these women very well. I also remember a dowager of a woman called Bella Armstrong who lent money at interest and took snuff.

You're right about it being a great place. We kids used to disappear for hours over the Bray, collecting hazelnuts, playing wee house and wee shop, etc etc. Halloween and Christmas were the BEST!  Hope to talk again soon.

 
ELWOOD THE DOWAGER  WOMAN DID SHE CARRY ALL  WORLDY GOODS IN A BIG BLACK SACK  IF SO SAME WOMAN USED TO SELL SECOND HAND CLOTHES ,
MAY I ASK WHAT YOUR AUNTS SURNAME WAS ,?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on February 18, 2012, 12:32:28 PM


Hi Fulton and Doffer
I've just spend half and hour replying to you Fulton and the (censored) thing went missing. I'm going to have a few (censored) problems >:D until I get used to this.

Yes my mother's youngest brother is David and they did live in a street opposite the library. I think though it was called Legane St, I seem to remember 2 streets with very similar names. Ma lost touch with David for years until she found out he had moved to Western Australia. They were going to catch up and then she became gravely ill.

I don't know where you live but I've been using Googleearth to "do a tour" of the old place. Silverstream and the park and St Mark's still look familiar but Ligoniel is unrecognizable. My husband and I paid a visit some years ago and I knew the place was no longer there (as such). It still makes me very sad.

In answer to your question Doffer, re: Bella Armstrong, when you mentioned about the second hand clothes it rang a bell but I couldn't be sure. She seemed to be a very influential old woman in the area . . . a real "business" woman, so I wouldn't be surprised. My aunts were McMurrays, my granda's "maiden lady" sisters. By the way, re: Richies. I've been arguing with my sister today about where it was. I'm sure it was on the left going up Ligoniel, at the end of the whitewashed row, she says it was on the right. Can you confirm please before we have a falling out?

Regards to you both, E
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on February 18, 2012, 12:54:32 PM
In answer to your question Doffer, re: Bella Armstrong, when you mentioned about the second hand clothes it rang a bell but I couldn't be sure. She seemed to be a very influential old woman in the area . . . a real "business" woman, so I wouldn't be surprised. My aunts were McMurrays, my granda's "maiden lady" sisters. By the way, re: Richies. I've been arguing with my sister today about where it was. I'm sure it was on the left going up Ligoniel, at the end of the whitewashed row, she says it was on the right. Can you confirm please before we have a falling out?

 
DONT FALL OUT LOL
RICHIES SHOP WAS END ROW WHITE COTTAGES  LEFT SIDE GOING TOWARDS  TRAM TERMINUS  ,OR GOING TOWARDS WOLF HILL ,  MY GRAN LIVED FEW DOORSAWAY ,
OTHER SIDE WAS RALSTONS SHOP  , SAME SIDE AS  HERONS DRAPERY SHOP , :)  POST OFFICE WAS ALSO ON  THAT SIDE 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on February 19, 2012, 01:05:22 AM
Hi Fulton,
Thanks for your reply re.Dr's in Ligoniel.
I must be dreaming,but I thought there was another one on
the same side as the park and a clinic where we had to go to collect a
small glass bottle of orange juice concentrate and codliver oil for the baby
in the family.
I also remember a street on the same side of the park where you could
cut through to Lavens Drive?
I don't think it was Legann though.
I remember along Crumlin rd. just after the Loney(Bilston's Rd.)
there was Legmail St. Leroy St. Primrose St. then Legann St.
On opposite side Lavens Dr. Oakley St. and then Glenbank Dr.
I stand to be corrected as it's a very long time since I tread those streets. :)

  G'day Newry.  Re:- the orange juice&codliver oil. We got ours from the Belfast city mission hall, opposit the Chapel. The doctor you refare to was Dr. Jackson.
When you quote the streets . Glenbank Dr. Oakley St. Lavans Dr.  You forgot the most important one! Barginnis St. HA HA. I lived there. My brother worked in the hardware/ drapery store on the corner of Primrose St. and Crumlin Rd. The places you speak of brings back memories of so long ago.Thank You.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on February 19, 2012, 01:15:07 AM

Hi Fulton and Doffer
I've just spend half and hour replying to you Fulton and the (censored) thing went missing. I'm going to have a few (censored) problems >:D until I get used to this.

Yes my mother's youngest brother is David and they did live in a street opposite the library. I think though it was called Legane St, I seem to remember 2 streets with very similar names. Ma lost touch with David for years until she found out he had moved to Western Australia. They were going to catch up and then she became gravely ill.

I don't know where you live but I've been using Googleearth to "do a tour" of the old place. Silverstream and the park and St Mark's still look familiar but Ligoniel is unrecognizable. My husband and I paid a visit some years ago and I knew the place was no longer there (as such). It still makes me very sad.

In answer to your question Doffer, re: Bella Armstrong, when you mentioned about the second hand clothes it rang a bell but I couldn't be sure. She seemed to be a very influential old woman in the area . . . a real "business" woman, so I wouldn't be surprised. My aunts were McMurrays, my granda's "maiden lady" sisters. By the way, re: Richies. I've been arguing with my sister today about where it was. I'm sure it was on the left going up Ligoniel, at the end of the whitewashed row, she says it was on the right. Can you confirm please before we have a falling out?

Regards to you both, E
Hi, Elwood. It was Legane St. The other street was Legann St. It was almost opposite Oakley St.It is getting harder for me to remember, as I am past my 3 score and 10 and have not lived there for 58 years. It is getting close to my nap time!!!!!!!!! bye for now. F.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Scoop on February 19, 2012, 10:15:15 AM
Hiya,

Can anyone tell me what happened to the ligoneil dam is it still there? My uncle used to take me there on the back of his motorbike fishing in the summer nights in the 60s - great fun!!!!

Regards
Scoop
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on February 19, 2012, 11:17:23 AM
Thanks for the information about Richies, Doffer!  :) I can't wait to tell my sister I was right.  Did the name McMurray mean anything to you? There was an awful lot of them!

And Fulton, thanks for the response regarding Legane St. It's nice to know my 49 year old memories can't be too wrong.

It's been a long day here so I'll say goodnight. Regards Elwood
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on February 19, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
G'day  Brodie, I remember Mr. Lamont ( he taught me in several grades) and Mr. Welchman. ( he taught me in 7th, grade) other teachers I remember over the years were Miss Ray" a lovely lady" Miss Miller, Miss Murray( to become Mrs. Kennedy) Mrs Macammy "an old so&so.) Mr. Grey, and Mr. cummings. You have brought back some wonderful memories.

Hi Brodie

I just realized you were the only one to mention Miss Luff at St Mark's. I remember she had a pronounced tic - that is she blinked rapidly and constantly. Do you also remember a Miss Watson who became and Mrs Coleman? She was a "heavy set"  ;) young woman, and as a kid I thought "coalman" was very appropriate. Regards, E
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: The sally one on February 19, 2012, 01:53:38 PM
Hi Shillings,
In 1957 I was born in 307 Ligoniel road,my Granny & Granda Gracey had 13 children and lived in 21 Finlay street.I would often go and stay with them in the summer holidays, I remember Finlay street was very steep and once you started running you couldn't stop. Granda Gracey used to sell the goats milk to the doctor and when he retired he was a night watchman at Ewarts mill....His sister also live in Finley street.my mothers sister and family lived in the back street,can't remember it's proper name.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on February 19, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
HI THERE SALLY ,
 
I KNEW FINLEY ST VWERY WELL HAD RALITIVES  WHO LIVED THE ,THE OHARAS  AND TOLANDS ,
 
IF IRECALL CORRECTLY   I MAY HAVE KNOWN THE GRACY FAMILY AS IM SURE THEY WERE FREINDS WITH MY AUNTS &UNCLES ,JEAN , CASSIE, MARGARET  GEORGE BILL TOLAND  WHO LIVED ON LIGONIEL RD ,,,,,,,,,, THE OHARAS WERE   QUIN TON   ,ESSIE  & JIMMY ,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: The sally one on February 19, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
Hi Doffer, I will be giving Auntie Annie a phone call tomorrow and i will mention the names you posted. She lived with Granny and Granda in Finlay street up until the 1970's.will get right back to you once I've spoken to her.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on February 19, 2012, 04:50:51 PM
Hello to all,
I wasn't born in Ligoniel but had cousins, Smilie and McCloys , who lived there, and I spent time with them. Also got my shortback and sides at Isaac,s. I went to St. Marks from 1952 till 1960 then on to Everton. I first lived in Harmony in one of the millhouses as both my parents worked in Glenbank Mill. We then moved up to Glenbank Place. I have/had lots of family in that area, Ligoniel/Ballysillan/Silverstream. Some great and lasting memories .
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Linda McCready on February 20, 2012, 07:29:03 PM
Hi Newry, what is your name and your age group?
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: DOFFER on February 20, 2012, 08:09:34 PM
linda my age group  oh ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh im 74 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
 
newry i went to both st pauls and wolf hill  bet thats confusing lol ,  ???  well maybe not , most of my pals were at st pauls  and i wouyld check in for present at wolf hill then excuse myself ru n like the wind to st pauls  to be with my pals lol ,  no one paid any attention  just let me get out of my system  . when priest came  in for  Catechism id sit on the wee patch grass outside st pauls till it was over lol ,  rare old days indeed ,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on February 21, 2012, 04:27:38 AM
Hello to all,
I wasn't born in Ligoniel but had cousins, Smilie and McCloys , who lived there, and I spent time with them. Also got my shortback and sides at Isaac,s. I went to St. Marks from 1952 till 1960 then on to Everton. I first lived in Harmony in one of the millhouses as both my parents worked in Glenbank Mill. We then moved up to Glenbank Place. I have/had lots of family in that area, Ligoniel/Ballysillan/Silverstream. Some great and lasting memories .

Hi Ya Udini
I was wondering if you had known my (late) brother at Everton. He may have been a year below you? His name was Jim McMurray. I think Jim was in his second or third year when we left Belfast in June 1963. Also one of my Da's good mates was  "Ambie McCloy". I think he came to Australia late 50's/very early 60's. Regards, E
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on February 21, 2012, 12:42:29 PM
Ambie McCloy was the father of my cousins , Bertie, Norman, Billy and May , and he was married to my aunt Janet(Sharkie) .They used to live up the hill past where the trams used to turn by Wolfhill school and then  They all went to Australia in the 50's. Ambie and Janet have` since passed on but the "kids" are still alive. In fact I just met up with Bertie inScotland where he was visiting one of his daughters and I was in Edinburgh visiting other friends. I 'm not sure if I remember your brother, but the name does sound familiar.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on February 22, 2012, 06:55:34 AM
Ambie McCloy was the father of my cousins , Bertie, Norman, Billy and May , and he was married to my aunt Janet(Sharkie) .They used to live up the hill past where the trams used to turn by Wolfhill school and then  They all went to Australia in the 50's. Ambie and Janet have` since passed on but the "kids" are still alive. In fact I just met up with Bertie inScotland where he was visiting one of his daughters and I was in Edinburgh visiting other friends. I 'm not sure if I remember your brother, but the name does sound familiar.
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Small world Udini!!

when we moved to Oz, Ambie contacted my Da and we ended up renting a house next door to them for the first couple of years we were here. Jim (my brother) knocked around with Norman for a while and May, who was a few years older than us went out with my Da's brother Jackie. We met Billie, but he was a big grown up bloke married to Kaye. The McCloys and us were very chummy for a while, but something happened and the friendship seemed to cool off. My sister and I were only "wee nippers" and didn't know the politics. Ambie caught up with my Da later on when Janet was no longer on the scene and he was married to/living with (?) with Lil (?). Is May and Norman still in Melbourne? I know Billie had hard times with his wife Kaye, but that's another story. I don't remember Bertie at all, did he stay in Belfast when the others moved? Regards, E
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Post by: udini on February 23, 2012, 01:44:21 AM
Elwood,
They all still live in the Melbourne area. I visited them about 3 years ago and they are all well.  Bertie was in the RAF and later the Australian Air Force and was posted all around Europe, occasionally stopping over in Belfast to see our Granny. The others never left Australia after they got there !
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: theengineer on February 23, 2012, 08:32:07 PM
Many great posts here folks, brought back lots of memories. Are there any members out there from Wheatfield Crescent?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on March 07, 2012, 01:16:47 AM
I'm not from Wheatfield Crescent, I lived down Harmony Hill and then Glenbank Place.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: udini on March 07, 2012, 01:23:44 AM
Thanks Foundry,
I can remember the little shop,but didn't know it was Gregg's.
The owner of the shop before Greggs, was Sam Smyth's I used to deliver papers for him. I knew Jim Gregg who was a Dental Technician by trade and he and his family bought the shop.
Title: Re: Ligoniel / Turn of the Road / Roseanne
Post by: Elwood on March 07, 2012, 04:26:16 AM
Hi all

does anyone remember an odd old woman who lived at the Turn of the Road? (cnr of Ligoniel Rd and Legane St I think). She always wore black . . . full length black dress and black shawl. She scared the b'jasus out of us when we were kids, although I remember her inviting us into her strange little house to see her dog's new pups. Does anyone know her story. Where she came from, who was her family, etc etc. ??? Regards, Elwood
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Elwood on March 09, 2012, 05:38:57 AM
Thanks engineer,I left out the chemist! I was beginning to think I had just imagined those places.
I started school at St.Mark's primary,then Wheatfield,then Girl's Model,then finished school in England.
I remember a shop on the same side of the road as the church,but can't picture the one opposite.I will
ask my older sister.we were there mid 50's - early 60's.

Hi Newry, I left Ballysillan in the early 60s and have had great fun remembering those shops listed. Was the shop opposite the Ballysillan Church (where I went to Sunday School) called the Mayfair? Regards, E
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on March 09, 2012, 07:23:02 AM

Hi Newry, I left Ballysillan in the early 60s and have had great fun remembering those shops listed. Was the shop opposite the Ballysillan Church (where I went to Sunday School) called the Mayfair? Regards,

Hi Elwood, I can't be sure,but I think the Mayfair was a bit closer to the Elim Gospel Hall.
I'm trying to picture the area opposite the church,but I think there may have been a few nice houses there.
Memories are not so clear now as I have been away from there for 48 yrs! :)
I went to Sunday school at the church,and also the Belfast city mission hall,when it was up the Ligoniel Rd.
Regards,N.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Elwood on March 09, 2012, 12:34:06 PM
Hi ya Newry
I have been away for 49 years, so my memory is even foggier! I see by one of your previous posts you went to St Mark's. My family left Belfast in mid 1963, so we may have been at school together? May I ask where you are now? Did you know Jean Gordon or Dierdre Startup? Do you remember Mr Nutt the caretaker? or Mr Lamont? etc etc? from St Mark's?  Did you live in Ligoniel, or Turn of the Road or Silverstream? It'd be great to get some details. Regards, Elwood
 :)
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on March 09, 2012, 01:24:52 PM

Hi ya Newry
I have been away for 49 years, so my memory is even foggier! I see by one of your previous posts you went to St Mark's. My family left Belfast in mid 1963, so we may have been at school together? May I ask where you are now? Did you know Jean Gordon or Dierdre Startup? Do you remember Mr Nutt the caretaker? or Mr Lamont? etc etc? from St Mark's?  Did you live in Ligoniel, or Turn of the Road or Silverstream? It'd be great to get some details. Regards, Elwood
 :)
Yes Elwood,I went to St.Mark's,left in P6(Mr.Lamont was my last teacher there) and finished my
primary in Wheatfield.I lived in Silverstream and am now in Adelaide S.A.
I also had Mrs.Coleman,Mrs.Macquitty,Miss Luff,and sometimes Mrs.Robanett as teachers.Mrs.Fee
was the dinner lady and thank you for reminding me of Mr.Nutt.
Not forgetting Mr.Welshman(purple nose)lol and his old spaniel dog!
It's getting late,so I'm off to bed... to be continued.. :) N.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Elwood on March 09, 2012, 10:46:08 PM
Hi ya Newry, from a drizzly morning in Melbourne. I remember all the names except Mrs Robinett and the dinner lady. Mrs McQuitty used to pick us up in her little Hillman Minx if it was raining along Ligoniel Rd. Only woman I knew who drove a car. I remember Miss Luff's tic, you know constant and rapid blinking. I also remember Mrs Coleman was a Miss Watson until she disappeared for a week to two. I was born in Ligoniel but we moved to Silverstream when I was still a toddler. Do you recall the two girls I mentioned? I met Dierdre Startup the first day I started school when we were playing with our plasticine. And, if you lived in Silverstream Terrace, did you ever spend your pocket money at Pop Lennins (on the Ballysillan Rd)? I think I remember reading that you knew the Beatties. There was a Mrs Beattie that lived across the street from us. Just her and her husband, if she had kids they must have been grown up. An awful lot of reminiscing for half nine on Saturday morning!!!!!! Probably enough for now. I'm going for a bike ride. I'm new at it, so it'll be scary! E
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: theengineer on March 10, 2012, 08:59:47 AM
Hi Elwood,
No , the shop opposite Ballysillan Church was not the Mayfair. The Mayfair was further up the road, just above Glenbank, below the chippy.
I cant remember the name of the shop opposite the church but do remember going there (it was a sweet shop) after rationing ended to buy our sweets.
It was converted to a house ( or maybe reconverted ! ) quite a few years later, late 60's or 70's I think.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on March 12, 2012, 02:54:09 AM
Hi ya Newry, from a drizzly morning in Melbourne. I remember all the names except Mrs Robinett and the dinner lady. Mrs McQuitty used to pick us up in her little Hillman Minx if it was raining along Ligoniel Rd. Only woman I knew who drove a car. I remember Miss Luff's tic, you know constant and rapid blinking. I also remember Mrs Coleman was a Miss Watson until she disappeared for a week to two. I was born in Ligoniel but we moved to Silverstream when I was still a toddler. Do you recall the two girls I mentioned? I met Dierdre Startup the first day I started school when we were playing with our plasticine. And, if you lived in Silverstream Terrace, did you ever spend your pocket money at Pop Lennins (on the Ballysillan Rd)? I think I remember reading that you knew the Beatties. There was a Mrs Beattie that lived across the street from us. Just her and her husband, if she had kids they must have been grown up. An awful lot of reminiscing for half nine on Saturday morning!!!!!! Probably enough for now. I'm going for a bike ride. I'm new at it, so it'll be scary! E

G'Day Elwood,Fancy you living in Melboune.It sure is a small world.
I loved reading your memories of St.Mark's.I don't remember the girls you mentioned so maybe I was a year or two ahead of you.Some of the girls in my class where,Susan Burgess,Christine Dill,Maureen Greer,Mary Stewart,Carol Dunlop.
Do you have any group class photo's?I only seem to have individual ones taken outside the stone wall of the church.
I remember the smell of the plasticine!I think there were a few Beattie families around.I knew Dorothy from the flats on
S/S Road.
I hope you had an enjoyable bike ride!What a coincidence,I had just got one of my Daughter's bikes out of the garage,Friday,
and had a practice run (should I say wobble!) along our back verandah,out of public view! Hoping to go further afield soon.
Regards N. ps.probably only got as far as Ruby McEvoys to spend our coppers! :)
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: moteddi on March 25, 2012, 06:58:23 AM
Hello Newry...re your class at St. Marks PS - I was one of them! I went on to Everton in '61. I remember all the teachers you mentioned except Mrs. Robinett. I'm new on this Forum.  I've lived in Canada for 42 years but have very fond memories of Ligoniel and Ballysillan, and was actually searching for some of my old classmates from Everton on Facebook when I stumbled on this Forum. Great memories are flooding back! =)
p.s. I'll try to find any old class pics to post....
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on March 29, 2012, 02:14:24 PM
Hi Moteddi,
Welcome to BF. It seems like we may have been in the same class at Ligoniel.
Of the names you mentioned in another post,I knew Susan.
It would be great if you can find some photo's.
Was the street that was in between the co.op and McEvoy's,Leroy? I can't recall Loughview?
Need something to jog the memory!
Do you happen to know Maureen G.?
I sent you a PM.but I don't think it went through.
Keep in touch, Regards N.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: moteddi on March 29, 2012, 05:21:21 PM
Hi Newry! Thanks for the welcome... :) ...I didn't get a PM, but judging from some of the posts on BF, privacy is overrated anyway.. ;) ! The street between the Co-op and 'Herbie's' was Loughview, and I lived at #1, so if you knew me then, you may know that would mean I am the Maureen Greer of whom you speak..lol... I am sooo curious as to your name! I found a group pic from around 1956 and I had written most of the girls'names on the back, so if you are concerned about privacy if you can give me your initials I'll maybe figure it out. I also have a small pic taken in the playground of seven of us. I'll try to scan both up soon. Look forward to hearing from you! BTW, How cool is this?? :)
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: moteddi on March 29, 2012, 07:11:02 PM
Newry, here's the group pic.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/33y045y.jpg)
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on March 30, 2012, 02:34:11 PM
Hi Maureen(MoJo)  :) Great to hear from you.
How is life treating you in your lovely part of the world?
Thanks for posting your photo'.I don't think I'm in that one but some
of the faces ie back row 3rd from left,front row,2nd from left and front row,
2nd from right look familiar.
I have a photo'of the school concert also but there are only three girls in it.
I will have a search to morrow and see if I can find it.
It will be good to see if you remember me!
It is midnight here so I must go and get my beauty sleep. :D Regards,N.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: whufc on March 31, 2012, 08:07:44 PM
hello forum. does anyone remember the mcilwaines from up there, think one had a hardware shop? is there any mcilwaines still live up there, they were my late fathers cousins
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: MAY ALLEN CRAWFORD on April 01, 2012, 03:27:42 PM
HI MY AUNT WAS LIZZIE HAD LARGE FAMILY 5 BOYS JIMMY GERRY PADDY JOHN AND BILLY  2 GIRLS HETTY AND PEGGY  BILLY SAVAGE WAS CHOIRMASTER AT LOCAL CHAPEL JIMMY AND HIS WIFE ETHNA LIVED IN ETNA DRIVE  4 OF THE BOYS WENT TO AMERICA AND PEGGY TOO, MY OTHER COUSINS WERE EDWARDS LIVED IN LADBROKE DRIVE NEAR CINEMA I AM STILL IN TOUCH WITH  ETTA MULLAN( NEE EDWARDS)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: whufc on April 01, 2012, 06:35:24 PM
HI MY AUNT WAS LIZZIE HAD LARGE FAMILY 5 BOYS JIMMY GERRY PADDY JOHN AND BILLY  2 GIRLS HETTY AND PEGGY  BILLY SAVAGE WAS CHOIRMASTER AT LOCAL CHAPEL JIMMY AND HIS WIFE ETHNA LIVED IN ETNA DRIVE  4 OF THE BOYS WENT TO AMERICA AND PEGGY TOO, MY OTHER COUSINS WERE EDWARDS LIVED IN LADBROKE DRIVE NEAR CINEMA I AM STILL IN TOUCH WITH  ETTA MULLAN
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: whufc on April 01, 2012, 06:46:05 PM
sorry that was a mistake, still getting used to all this computer lark, lol
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on April 09, 2012, 10:33:28 PM
I used to live in Lever Street as a kid i remember Joey Crawfords shop Gallagers Chippie 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Pat McGovern on April 11, 2012, 11:17:25 AM
Hi Doffer

I do remember the McGintys! and I certainly remember Richies' shop . . . macaroons and Walkers Carmels. The other names aren't familiar, may have been before my time. We stayed with my granny quite a bit when were kids and spent a lot of time in Ligoniel. I remember eating vegetable soup in Mrs McGinty's and my (Great) Aunts Jane and Lizzy would often call us in for some rhubarb or an orange (quite a treat) although being so young we never really got to know these women very well. I also remember a dowager of a woman called Bella Armstrong who lent money at interest and took snuff.

You're right about it being a great place. We kids used to disappear for hours over the Bray, collecting hazelnuts, playing wee house and wee shop, etc etc. Halloween and Christmas were the BEST!  Hope to talk again soon.

Doffer:  Do you remember the Crosby's  who lived at 198 Ligoniel Rd.  Also the Short family.  My Mother was Cassie Short.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Pat McGovern on April 11, 2012, 06:28:56 PM
PERHAPS WE ARE RELATED MY COUSIN BILLY SAVAGE WAS CHOIRMASTER HIS BROTHER JIMMY MARRIED ETHNA AND LIVED IN ETNA DRIVE LOTS OF OTHERS EDWARDS LIVED IN LADBROKE DRIVE  I AM STILL IN TOUCH WITH ETTA  MULLAN ( NEE EDWARDS )

May, the Savage family lived at nr. 17 and I lived at nr. 27 Estoril Pk.  Your Uncle Jimmy called most days to our house to have a cup of tea and a yarn. 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: frank gorman on April 13, 2012, 06:33:41 PM
hi my name is frank gorman just found this site..i lived in wolfhill view i have five brothers ..i have lived in liginiel all my life and have very happy memories of ligoniel..look forward to hearing from anyone.from my childhood days...or if i can help anyone out with there past looking forward to all your replys
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: whufc on April 13, 2012, 06:41:54 PM
hi frank, do you remember any mcilwaines from up there, think one used to own a hardware shop?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: frank gorman on April 13, 2012, 07:05:36 PM
yes john billy roy kevin but sadly they are all passed away now billy had the shop..they had two sisters as well may and margrate both dead as well  at one time both john and billy both lived in wolfhill view numbers 4 and 8
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on April 13, 2012, 08:28:41 PM

Doffer:  Do you remember the Crosby's  who lived at 198 Ligoniel Rd.  Also the Short family.  My Mother was Cassie Short.

 
HI PAT  YES I REMEMBER THE CROSBYS IM SUE THEY LIVED NEXT DOOR TO MY GRAN  ON LIGONIEL RD , RE SHORTS SORRY CANT RECALL  BUT ITS BEEN NEARLY 60YRS SINCE I LIVED THERE ,,OTHER FAMILIES I RECALL ARE ,THE MCGINTIES  ,BOWLS BOULS ????? ROSS ,SKULLIONS THERE ARE MANY MORE BUT JUST NOW I CANT NAME THEM ALL I USUALLY REMEBER  NAMES JUST WHEN IM GOING TO SLEEP LOL , :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Pat McGovern on April 15, 2012, 10:50:42 AM
Hi Doffer
I remember all those people you mentioned.  Do you also remember Annie Doyle also Mary Green’s wee shop .? I remember my Mammy putting me on the tram at Ardoyne which then stopped near nr. 198.  I had a wee basket in which the eggs from Graham’s farm were carried back down the road.
Mary, Nelly & Jinny Crosby were my Mother’s Aunts.  Her Mother was Kate Crosby who married James Short.  Kate lived at 31 River St. and James at 11 Bismarck St..  My G.Grandmother Rachel Crosby lived (after River St.) a 52 Legnaveagh St. and then 52 Legnaveagh St. till she died in 1925.  My  grandparents lived at 117 Ligoniel Rd.,   After the death of my g.mother,  in 1913 my Mother, Cassie and her sisters Bridget & Mary plus a cousin Bridgie Patterson whose Mother Bridget (Crosby) had also died young all went to live at nr. 198. My grandfather then went off to the war along with his brothers.  One, Joseph Short, is buried in France.
I have great memories of visiting Ligoniel.  Going for walks around the Mare (?) and my Aunt Nelly buying herself snuff and honey-comb for me.  It’s certainly a long time ago but seems like only yesterday.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: whufc on April 15, 2012, 05:37:32 PM
hi frank gorman, you certainly know your stuff! thank you. sad to hear theyve all past away. well their father willy was my dads uncle, he moved to ligoniel when he got married from sandy row. was there not another sister called eileen?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on April 15, 2012, 11:28:10 PM
hi my name is frank gorman just found this site..i lived in wolfhill view i have five brothers ..i have lived in liginiel all my life and have very happy memories of ligoniel..look forward to hearing from anyone.from my childhood days...or if i can help anyone out with there past looking forward to all your replys

Hi Frank

I have been going back over some family history in the last couple of months. Thanks to some great help from one of the forum members I have managed to access some old information. I have details of the marriage of my (maternal) great grandmother, Agnes Gorman to Thomas Murray in 1893. Their addresses are listed as 18 and 19 Upper Meadow St. in Ligoniel. In the 1911 Census they are listed as living in Legane St (opposite the Library) with four children. I was wondering if you know anything about this woman, is there a family connection? Her father was William Gorman. I would be glad for any additional information. E
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: frank gorman on April 16, 2012, 11:58:48 AM
HI ELWOOD MY FATHER WAS FROM HARMONEY HILL BOTTEM OF THE PLOTS BUT I HAD AN UNCLE GOERGE WHO LIVED IN THAT STREET I WILL LOOK INTO WHAT YOU ASK MIGHT TAKE A WEEK OR SO .BUT ITS GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU. LEAVE IT WITH ME FOR A WHILE WILL GET BACK TO YOU ASAP..I AM NEW TO ALL THIS AND NOT VERY GOOD AT IT AT THE MOMENT..  FRANK
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on April 16, 2012, 11:31:21 PM
HI ELWOOD MY FATHER WAS FROM HARMONEY HILL BOTTEM OF THE PLOTS BUT I HAD AN UNCLE GOERGE WHO LIVED IN THAT STREET I WILL LOOK INTO WHAT YOU ASK MIGHT TAKE A WEEK OR SO .BUT ITS GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU. LEAVE IT WITH ME FOR A WHILE WILL GET BACK TO YOU ASAP..I AM NEW TO ALL THIS AND NOT VERY GOOD AT IT AT THE MOMENT..  FRANK

Thanks for the offer Frank. This woman, Agnes Murray (nee Gorman) was regarded, in our family, as a bit of a mystery. Apparently she was years older than her husband and according to my Ma, a bit of a stern old biddy in later years. One other thing I should mention which may be important, they were protestant and married at St Anne's Church of Ireland. Thanks again, Frank
Title: Re:May Allen Crawford
Post by: Marian2012 on April 26, 2012, 03:04:56 PM
Hi May,
 My grandma was lizzies sister, Henrietta Brown nee Edwards. We lived on the Holywood Road, my mum was Kathleen. Just looking up old names and came across this posting, brought back some memories. My grandma was married to Jimmy Brown and they had six of a family. I recognised your name when I saw it, I am assuming your mum was my mums aunt Cassie, not sure how it was spelt, just know mum called her by that name. Forgive me if I am wrong. Remember going with my mum to your mums house in Manchester many years ago. I know my grandma had another sister Annie and a brother I think. 
Marian
Title: Re:May Allen Crawford
Post by: Pat McGovern on April 26, 2012, 03:35:11 PM
Hi May,
 My grandma was lizzies sister, Henrietta Brown nee Edwards. We lived on the Holywood Road, my mum was Kathleen. Just looking up old names and came across this posting, brought back some memories. My grandma was married to Jimmy Brown and they had six of a family. I recognised your name when I saw it, I am assuming your mum was my mums aunt Cassie, not sure how it was spelt, just know mum called her by that name. Forgive me if I am wrong. Remember going with my mum to your mums house in Manchester many years ago. I know my grandma had another sister Annie and a brother I think. 
Marian
Marian;
I lived near Lizzie Savage and have sent through to May a copy of her memory card .  Perhaps May can send it in turn through to you.
Pat
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Marian2012 on April 26, 2012, 04:20:32 PM
Many thanks Pat,
Seems such a pity I did not find this forum last year when mum was here, I know she would have loved catching up with the past.
Marian
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Pat McGovern on April 26, 2012, 08:43:08 PM
Marion:
I also found this site a bit late.  Still better late than never.
Did your Mother come from Ligoniel?  My Mother did.  I was born and lived in Ardoyne near the Savage family.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Marian2012 on April 27, 2012, 07:53:05 AM
Hi Pat,
No we lived in Carolhill Drive off the Holywood Road with my gran. The Savages were my mums aunt and uncle, Lizzie was my grandma's sister. We used to go to visit them a lot when I was young. Jimmy was my godfather and the last time I saw him was when he came to England for my wedding in 1973. He used to travel a lot at that time back and forth to America, think he died not long after that. My mum moved house and sent him a new address but the letter came back with deceased on it.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Pat McGovern on April 27, 2012, 08:58:44 AM
Hi Marion
Jimmy did indeed travel a lot.  He was lonely after Lizzie died.  The first time I flew was with Jimmy.  I was going to New York and he was travelling on to Michigan.  I believe Peggy lived in Michigan and from what May has told me some of he brothers also lived there.  I never knew them as they would have been older than I.  Peggy went to the states as a war bride.  The only one of the family I remember is Billy.
If you have contact with May ask her to send through the memory card of Lizzie.  It has her photo on it.  I could send it through to you but would need your email nr.
All the best.
Pat
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on April 28, 2012, 02:52:02 AM
HI ELWOOD MY FATHER WAS FROM HARMONEY HILL BOTTEM OF THE PLOTS BUT I HAD AN UNCLE GOERGE WHO LIVED IN THAT STREET I WILL LOOK INTO WHAT YOU ASK MIGHT TAKE A WEEK OR SO .BUT ITS GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU. LEAVE IT WITH ME FOR A WHILE WILL GET BACK TO YOU ASAP..I AM NEW TO ALL THIS AND NOT VERY GOOD AT IT AT THE MOMENT..  FRANK
Frank,
I lived down Harmony Hill number 3 from 1950 till around 1959/60 then moved up to Glenbank Place. I do remember a Jimmy ? Gorman .Would that be a name in your family and do you know what house they lived in ? There was also, Adams, Granville, McCoy and others I don't recall who lived in the 8 house block that was owned by Glenbank Mill. My name , and my Dad's is Bertie Sharkie.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: cathy bell on May 01, 2012, 12:44:22 AM
Hi All
I was born in Ligoniel, left in 1957 at age 16. here are a few answers to some questions that were asked.
Scoop: the dams are still there, there are 3 dams. Boadles dam, in back of where Ewarts Mill was. then there are the Wolfhill dams, upper and lower. When I was back in Ligoniel in 2009 all the dams were being stocked with fish, there are a few fishing clubs in the area.
Elwood: There was a McMurray family that lived next door to Gallaghers Fish & Chip shop, there was a couple of sisters and just a younger brother Jim,I only knew May & Jim.
Whufe: McIlwaines, Billys wife & son & daughter still live in Ligoniel and still have the store. Roys wife & kids live in Perth Austrialia. Iam in touch with both of them.
Mary Greens wee shop was facing the Methody church, she was my mothers cousin.
Hope this helps.
 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on May 01, 2012, 06:22:56 PM
Who remembers the old Ligoniel characters like John "Squeak" Kyle or Geordie "Stoker" Palmer
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on May 03, 2012, 11:48:05 PM
Who remembers the old Ligoniel characters like John "Squeak" Kyle or Geordie "Stoker" Palmer

 
hi ballysillan  would you remember joker toland   [george] ::)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: whufc on May 04, 2012, 07:21:10 PM
thank very much cathy bell, if your in touch if you could mention that the joss family were asking about them please
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on May 04, 2012, 08:23:11 PM

 
hi ballysillan  would you remember joker toland   [george] ::)
Was only 12 when i left Ligoniel but the name rings a bell
Many a chase i got from fat Squeak after shouting at him when he was doing his rag and bone run
Stoker was always a laugh when he was drunk but yet when he was sober he was a very quiet man  :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: cathy bell on May 07, 2012, 01:55:17 AM
Doffer,
I remember Joker Toland, a couple of us girls used to hang around Agnes Ross's door, usually after we finished work and had our supper. Well a lot of times Joker would come over and start teasing us. One night he started hitting us on the head with his cap, he hit me one too many times and I got [censored] off, so I went and got my wee dog and told the dog to go get Joker. Joker started running with the dog after him, the dog got a hold of the [censored] of his trousers at Richys store and held on to him till he hit the Methody Church. Every body heard Joker yelling on the Ligoniel Rd. We all had a good laugh untill I went home, Joker had gone and complained to my mother so when I went in our house I got a few thumps on the head. it was worth the thumps, Joker never bothered us again. My mother worked in Ewarts Mill so she would send me for Joker to go down to the turn of the road to pay our coal bill, he was always available for wee odd jobs.
 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on May 07, 2012, 07:36:54 PM
Doffer,
I remember Joker Toland, a couple of us girls used to hang around Agnes Ross's door, usually after we finished work and had our supper. Well a lot of times Joker would come over and start teasing us. One night he started hitting us on the head with his cap, he hit me one too many times and I got [censored] off, so I went and got my wee dog and told the dog to go get Joker. Joker started running with the dog after him, the dog got a hold of the [censored] of his trousers at Richys store and held on to him till he hit the Methody Church. Every body heard Joker yelling on the Ligoniel Rd. We all had a good laugh untill I went home, Joker had gone and complained to my mother so when I went in our house I got a few thumps on the head. it was worth the thumps, Joker never bothered us again. My mother worked in Ewarts Mill so she would send me for Joker to go down to the turn of the road to pay our coal bill, he was always available for wee odd jobs.

HO CATHY  LONG TIME YEA ,SAY HELLO TO  AGNES FOR ME ,   JOKER WAS MY UNCLE  MY MUMS BROTHER , HE WAS AN AWFUL CASE  FOR KIDDING AROUND , LAST TIME I SAW HIM WAS BACK IN THE LATE 70S  MY HUBBY AND I WENT TO BELFAST  AND WENT UP LIGONIEL AS AT THAT TIME HE &HIS FAMILY STILL LIVED THERE  TO CUT A LONG STORY SHORT HE WAS OUT ONLY HIS WIFE MARIE IN THE HOUSE SHE TOLD US HE WAS DOWN THE PUB NEAR THE CHAPEL ,OFF I WENT AS I LOVED JOKER  THERE GOD HELP HIM SITTING ALONE WITH A HALF EN , WHEN I WALKED IN HE WAS UP TELLING ALL IN SUNDRY  HOW HE SAVED MY LIFE AS A BABY WHICH HE DID ,WE HAD THE BEST LAUGH EVER WHEN HE ASKED MY HUBBY A TEETOTLER  TO HAVE A DRINK  WHICH MUCH TO MY SURPRISE HE SAID YES TO ,,,,,,,,,,,,JOKER GOT HIM PORTER YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN MY MANS FACE TURN GREEN WHEN HE TOOK A SWIG , SADLY I NEVER SAW JOKER AFTER THAT TIME   HE DIED IN THE 90S , BUT HE HELPED RAISE ME WHEN I LIVED WITH MY GRAN TOLAND ,,,,,,,,,,,,,GOOD TIMES ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,BTW HE USED TO LOVE TEASING ELONER  SCULLION FEW DOORS FROM AGNES ,,,,,,,,,,,,,WHERE HAVE THE YEARS GONE  ,STILL WE HAVE THE MEMORIES , :-*
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: liz17 on June 23, 2012, 11:42:26 AM
Hi Linda the  shop inbetween Lynas and Post office was the hardware store Eileen's bakery was second from first, I worked in the Milky bar next to sweet shop the same people owned both, my Mummy and Daddy were friends with them they used to cook in the basement the bar was next to the milky bar. I also remember the bread strike I have a photo somewhere with my mum in waiting for some bread. :(
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: liz17 on June 23, 2012, 11:56:17 AM
I went to St Marks school it was a Church school I later got married in St Marks Church in 66. Everything is coming back about shops and names maybe not in order but still there, Remember by the bus stop where they baked for Eileen's bakery, after that it became a launderette am I right?.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Sachs on June 26, 2012, 03:34:17 AM
I lived in Tedburn Park 63-68.Happy days,a mixed community just before the troubles.
I remember the morning of the 66 World Cup Final we had our own match.
The Protestant boys were England and the Catholic boys were W. Germany.
We were all football mad and that was what was really important.
Does anyone out there remember what was in that area before the Tedburn houses were developed?
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: liz17 on June 26, 2012, 11:19:52 AM
Hello I think we all maybe neighbours at some point, I come from S/S went to St Marks, Wheatfield  and Everton schools, Hi Linda and All B/S  ON This thread. Thanks for the memory jog, remember most names, Jimmy Nutt the caretaker from St Marks, Pop Lennon's shop think bottom of S/S Gardens am i right. Linda in the photo is that our Sally front 2nd from left.   Looking forward to all your replies..Liz
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: cam on July 20, 2012, 06:58:03 PM
Hello I think we all maybe neighbours at some point, I come from S/S went to St Marks, Wheatfield  and Everton schools, Hi Linda and All B/S  ON This thread. Thanks for the memory jog, remember most names, Jimmy Nutt the caretaker from St Marks, Pop Lennon's shop think bottom of S/S Gardens am i right. Linda in the photo is that our Sally front 2nd from left.   Looking forward to all your replies..Liz
Hello there, I am in that photo second from the left in the front row Anne McAllister behind me first on the left in the back row is Marlene Snoddy we both lived in silverstream ave and I think I recognize Isabell Nesbitt from s.s rd. on the second from the  right in the back row.I think I've spotted Lena Rollins just tucked in front of the tall girl at the back and Maureen Weir in the front row. :P 
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: cam on July 20, 2012, 07:40:08 PM
Hello there,I remember all those teachers you've mentioned except robinette I also remember Mrs Ritchie, Taffy Welshmans daughter. She still attends St Marks church I was chatting with her there in 2009 when I was visiting from Adelaide and went to the church with Mervyn Smylie and his wife Hillary (Nee cooper) I had forgotten Mrs Fee till I saw her name mentioned I can still see her face. The old school is still standing being used as a community centre I believe, so I had a lovely walk down memory lane. On one Sunday in the month the church includes the children in the service (as they don't have enough attendance for to run a sunday school)  so I got to sing all the hymns we sang as kids "Jesus Loves me" etc. I thought I was five years old again. The church is lovely the windows and everything are magnificent.  Lovely memories of innocent times. :P   
Hi ya Newry, from a drizzly morning in Melbourne. I remember all the names except Mrs Robinett and the dinner lady. Mrs McQuitty used to pick us up in her little Hillman Minx if it was raining along Ligoniel Rd. Only woman I knew who drove a car. I remember Miss Luff's tic, you know constant and rapid blinking. I also remember Mrs Coleman was a Miss Watson until she disappeared for a week to two. I was born in Ligoniel but we moved to Silverstream when I was still a toddler. Do you recall the two girls I mentioned? I met Dierdre Startup the first day I started school when we were playing with our plasticine. And, if you lived in Silverstream Terrace, did you ever spend your pocket money at Pop Lennins (on the Ballysillan Rd)? I think I remember reading that you knew the Beatties. There was a Mrs Beattie that lived across the street from us. Just her and her husband, if she had kids they must have been grown up. An awful lot of reminiscing for half nine on Saturday morning!!!!!! Probably enough for now. I'm going for a bike ride. I'm new at it, so it'll be scary! E
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: liz17 on July 20, 2012, 10:52:57 PM
Hello Cam  I'
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: liz17 on July 20, 2012, 11:03:50 PM
HELLO That was supposed to read,I remember the name but don't know really from school or Silverstream :-\  Please tell me from where I remember you I lived in Sliversteam road.liz17 
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: pajamo46 on July 21, 2012, 07:35:11 AM
Hi,
I know my granny was a legoniel girl, name of prendergast, and she also worked at wolfhill mill sometime before the 1950sl.
She often took me upo there from ardoyne in the 1950s, usually by tram via the crumlin road.....a slow but sure way to travel in those days, who recalls the trams???????
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Sachs on July 21, 2012, 11:56:57 AM
Anyone out there remember Fortune's chippy.Just about at the turn of the Crumlin Road.
My mother worked there and she used to tell me all about the characters who would be in and out of the shop.
She also worked in George Hilary's Grocery for a few years.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: liz17 on July 21, 2012, 11:11:10 PM
Yes SACHS I do remember fortunes chippy could get chips on tic, How funny is that when you think back, Think last time I was over it was dentist, Good old Hilarys my brother used to deliver the messages on a bike with basket on the front think he got 7/6 a week, Your mum might know him.Liz.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Sachs on July 22, 2012, 12:36:02 PM
Yes SACHS I do remember fortunes chippy could get chips on tic, How funny is that when you think back, Think last time I was over it was dentist, Good old Hilarys my brother used to deliver the messages on a bike with basket on the front think he got 7/6 a week, Your mum might know him.Liz.

Liz
I remember seeing the Hilarys delivery boy flying around on the old black bike. At the time I thought' other than being a professional footballer, the delivery boy job would have been the job for me. :)
Sadly my mother died two years ago but if he worked there I would say '65-'68 I'm sure he would remember Iris.
 
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: cam on July 23, 2012, 12:40:55 AM
 we lived  at the bottom of the avenue I went to st marks from 1955/56 to 1961 with Anne Terrington & Anne Burns then on to everton left school 1966 the only Liz I remember from s.s rd is Liz Beattie
HELLO That was supposed to read,I remember the name but don't know really from school or Silverstream :-\  Please tell me from where I remember you I lived in Sliversteam road.liz17
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: liza on September 22, 2012, 03:24:48 PM
Just found this thread ...doh! I know a lot of yousins. I too was born and brought in Ligoniel. I know Doffer for sure. I lived opposite billie richies shop and 4 doors from Castles. I went to St Marks school played in ligoniel park and was a frequent user of ligoniel library. I knew Bella Armstrong ... she lent money and was a shrewd business woman, you gave her your pension/allowance book and she kept it till the loan was paid. But there was a lady who sold second hand clothes cant recall her name,Spavin, i think. all in all it was a great place to live and be brought up in would do it all again in a heart beat .
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on September 22, 2012, 08:47:31 PM
Just found this thread ...doh! I know a lot of yousins. I too was born and brought in Ligoniel. I know Doffer for sure. I lived opposite billie richies shop and 4 doors from Castles. I went to St Marks school played in ligoniel park and was a frequent user of ligoniel library. I knew Bella Armstrong ... she lent money and was a shrewd business woman, you gave her your pension/allowance book and she kept it till the loan was paid. But there was a lady who sold second hand clothes cant recall her name,Spavin, i think. all in all it was a great place to live and be brought up in would do it all again in a heart beat .

 
hi liz ,,,,,,,,,how you doing ? long time since we last spoke  hope you and family are well,,,,,,,i remember spavin,gran used to but stuff from her , somewhere on this forum theres lots of photos of ligionel ,,,at present im off to bed bad cold but wenim better i huntthe photos out for you ,hope you stay and join the stories of old belfast and the new , :-*
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: liza on September 23, 2012, 03:17:52 PM
Doffer, nice to hear from you again. Glad i found the thread and hope to continue using it.100 lines if i don't lol
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: pentio on September 24, 2012, 09:39:39 AM

 
somewhere on this forum theres lots of photos of ligionel.

Hi Doffer, Ligoniel photos on this thread. Liza I hope you enjoy viewing them.

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12813.0.html
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Jack ODay on October 14, 2012, 07:51:36 AM
hi my name is frank gorman just found this site..i lived in wolfhill view i have five brothers ..i have lived in liginiel all my life and have very happy memories of ligoniel..look forward to hearing from anyone.from my childhood days...or if i can help anyone out with there past looking forward to all your replys
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Jack ODay on October 14, 2012, 07:53:36 AM
Hey Frank, I wonder if you remember who lived at 11 Wolfhill Drive?  I love this site, great craic altogether.   .BTW it's Bernadette O'Neill writing to you!
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on October 14, 2012, 05:07:50 PM
i had relatives who lived Emerson's row ,  mcgrandles  family ,,,,,,,,,long time ago , :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Jack ODay on October 18, 2012, 06:59:49 AM
Hi Frank from Ligoniel.  I am also from there and immigrated years ago so I'm really enjoying this site.  Hope to hear from you soon,  I explained my identity in the last posting.  Still getting used to how things work. 
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: gordy on November 23, 2012, 05:05:39 PM
Hi Newry, I left Ballysillan in the early 60s and have had great fun remembering those shops listed. Was the shop opposite the Ballysillan Church (where I went to Sunday School) called the Mayfair? Regards, E

It was located on the corner of Abbeydale crescent and called Smyth's shop (Mr Smyth in the 1950s) then Dunbar's shop ( Sadie and Davey Dunbar plus Sadies sister in the 1960s) and then Kelly's shop (Mr Kelly was shot dead in the shop by the IRA for not paying protection money) The irony of this is that Mr Kelly was a good catholic man.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on November 24, 2012, 05:44:35 AM
It was located on the corner of Abbeydale crescent and called Smyth's shop (Mr Smyth in the 1950s) then Dunbar's shop ( Sadie and Davey Dunbar plus Sadies sister in the 1960s) and then Kelly's shop (Mr Kelly was shot dead in the shop by the IRA for not paying protection money) The irony of this is that Mr Kelly was a good catholic man.

Hi Gordy,
That was interesting info. on the shop owners.
Do you happen to know if The "Dunbar's" had a daughter called Marion,or if they lived in the house across
from Ballysillan Church( on the same side of the road) No 1 Ballysillan road,around late 1950's -1960's?
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: fulton on November 25, 2012, 01:30:33 AM
G'day Elwood, the mayfair shop was next to the Elem Church. There was the Church, then the lane way, then the mayfair. In the early 50s the mayfair was owned by the Gribben family.  (many a kiss I had in that lane way).
Fulton.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: fulton on November 26, 2012, 05:40:54 AM
Hi, all you Ballysillan people. It is great to read your posts. The shops at the turn of the road, pre. 1954. were.  Miss knocker, (sweet shop) Jimmy Mc Tyre, (cake shop) Melvels (fureral parlor)Lyness (sweet shop, news agent, barber."barber was Andy Peadlo"Sandy O'Hara (hardware) Jones&Johnston (grocer, post office,cattle & pig feed.) Owner was Sam Gaston. Then there was Barginnis St. The spelling may not be up to scratch. Don't blame me!  I went to St. Marks!!!!! blame Mr. Lamont. I was in his class more than in any of the other teachers classes.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: gordy on November 26, 2012, 09:22:48 AM


Hi RSL,

They had a daughter called Irene and lived on the shop premises.

When the shop was sold they then bought a house in Wheatfield crescent just across the road.

Regards,

Gordy
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: RSL on November 27, 2012, 11:49:21 AM
Thank you Gordy for jolting my memory.

I remember the name Irene Dunbar,perhaps from Wheatfield School  :-\ .

Can you remember the shops on the opposite side of the road?
O'Hara's bakery sat a little way back from the road,then there were some more shops,one of which
sold fish and dulce.I can't recall the names now.

Regards, R.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: [email protected] on November 27, 2012, 01:49:56 PM
hi joker was my granda,he died 1997 his daughters ann,jean passed as well,bridie ,thomas,tucker,,patrick,johnare still alive,if u need any info just ask

HO CATHY  LONG TIME YEA ,SAY HELLO TO  AGNES FOR ME ,   JOKER WAS MY UNCLE  MY MUMS BROTHER , HE WAS AN AWFUL CASE  FOR KIDDING AROUND , LAST TIME I SAW HIM WAS BACK IN THE LATE 70S  MY HUBBY AND I WENT TO BELFAST  AND WENT UP LIGONIEL AS AT THAT TIME HE &HIS FAMILY STILL LIVED THERE  TO CUT A LONG STORY SHORT HE WAS OUT ONLY HIS WIFE MARIE IN THE HOUSE SHE TOLD US HE WAS DOWN THE PUB NEAR THE CHAPEL ,OFF I WENT AS I LOVED JOKER  THERE GOD HELP HIM SITTING ALONE WITH A HALF EN , WHEN I WALKED IN HE WAS UP TELLING ALL IN SUNDRY  HOW HE SAVED MY LIFE AS A BABY WHICH HE DID ,WE HAD THE BEST LAUGH EVER WHEN HE ASKED MY HUBBY A TEETOTLER  TO HAVE A DRINK  WHICH MUCH TO MY SURPRISE HE SAID YES TO ,,,,,,,,,,,,JOKER GOT HIM PORTER YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN MY MANS FACE TURN GREEN WHEN HE TOOK A SWIG , SADLY I NEVER SAW JOKER AFTER THAT TIME   HE DIED IN THE 90S , BUT HE HELPED RAISE ME WHEN I LIVED WITH MY GRAN TOLAND ,,,,,,,,,,,,,GOOD TIMES ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,BTW HE USED TO LOVE TEASING ELONER  SCULLION FEW DOORS FROM AGNES ,,,,,,,,,,,,,WHERE HAVE THE YEARS GONE  ,STILL WE HAVE THE MEMORIES , :-*
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on November 28, 2012, 11:59:16 PM
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/90wwmv.jpg)                                                           HI WILL JUST SEEN YOUR POST , IV BEEN OUT SO BIT TIRED WILL RELPY TOMORROW OK ,,,,
FOR NOW HERES A PIC OF YOUR GREAT GREAT GRAND DAD ,GEORGE MCGRANDLES TAKEN IN BARGINNINS ST LIGONIEL
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Lorraine Johnston on November 30, 2012, 11:52:49 PM
My mum comes from ligoniel and i remember old issac my gran lived in mountainview place.
I remember also going into hugh 's shop right at the corner. My uncle david lived there for a while during the troubles but then left to live in antrim. Sadly he is no longer with us he used to rescue people and animals from the damm in wolf hill years ago.
 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Lorraine Johnston on November 30, 2012, 11:53:51 PM
My gran also lived in barginnis street her name was Violet Thompson.
 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on December 01, 2012, 12:57:00 AM
My gran also lived in barginnis street her name was Violet Thompson.
 
G'day Violet, What number in Barginnis St. did your Gran live?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brillpaul on December 02, 2012, 07:07:50 PM
Hi
While searching for 117 Ligoniel Road I happened to come across this post and it has sparked a number of happy memories and brought up some familiar names. When I was 4 I moved here with my sister Anne, father Jim and mother Ella Rusk. My name is Paul Rusk and 60 years later my memory has certainly been stirred. I noted someone had grandparents who lived before us at 117. When we arrived there was no road at Bill's Loney up the side of St. Marks (just a swampy track). There was no electric, the windows had iron bars and water came from springs from the hills. Our next door neighbour was Mrs Alexander who lived in her own in a cottage over the fields. Her coal was delivered past our house in a wheelbarrow pulled by rope over the fields by the coal man's 2 sons.
I went to Ligoniel primary beside Mrs Campbell's shop. My own grandfather had a shop at one time next to the police station. This reminds me of a time a friend and I found a time box with some cheap jewellery near the many pigeon lofts nearby. We promptly took it to the station believing it to be the Crown Jewels! Ligoniel certainly encouraged our imagination as we always seemed to have plenty of time to find our own amusement. Here's hoping for more pleasant memories to return - Welshman, Isaac the barber an' all!
 :)

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: rpbert1 on December 14, 2012, 12:05:29 AM
I lived in Silverstream Parade born 1953 and moved from Silverstream about 1980 down to Alliance, remember going to Isaccs in Ligoneil, and playing with the games he had where you got the ball in like a hand held pinball machine, was great fun then, not so sure the kids today would thinkso LOL
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: gordy on December 17, 2012, 08:28:22 PM
Thank you Gordy for jolting my memory.

I remember the name Irene Dunbar,perhaps from Wheatfield School  :-\ .

Can you remember the shops on the opposite side of the road?
O'Hara's bakery sat a little way back from the road,then there were some more shops,one of which
sold fish and dulce.I can't recall the names now.

Regards, R.

Yes R, I believe that Irene went to Wheatfield Primary.

There was a fish shop and next door was a fruit and veg shop owned by Alec Kennedy.

Kind regards,

Gordy
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brillpaul on December 22, 2012, 10:27:27 PM
Vaguely remember that pinball game but certainly the boxing photos and the odd tune on the fiddle from Isaac. Saw a guy on the news who got electric for the first time - I can remember the magic of that. We had candles and my job was to light the old Tilley lamps after school. Grahams in the village sold paraffin and charge acid batteries for our radio and that was in the 1960's!  ::)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: rpbert1 on December 27, 2012, 09:40:15 PM
Frank,
I lived down Harmony Hill number 3 from 1950 till around 1959/60 then moved up to Glenbank Place. I do remember a Jimmy ? Gorman .Would that be a name in your family and do you know what house they lived in ? There was also, Adams, Granville, McCoy and others I don't recall who lived in the 8 house block that was owned by Glenbank Mill. My name , and my Dad's is Bertie Sharkie.

 I did Gateboy in Glenbank mill for a year back in the late 60s, remember the houses in Harmony Hill, remember the Granvilles esp Harry who was slightly older than myself and the Gormans ,and Adams def rings a bell . all great pigeon men
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: MMcM on February 02, 2013, 12:37:06 AM
 Hi All,
Just wanted to say I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your memories on this thread.
I don't have much to add as most of what I remember has already been said.
I lived in S/S for 10 years, left in 1963. Attended St Marks primary then Everton, also went to Sunday school the Brownies and Girl Guides at Ballysillan Church.
I have fond memories of teacher Robert Lamont playing the piano and teaching us to sing "The Ashgrove" -"Down yonder green valley where streamlets meander when twilight is fading I pensively rove" _ lovely to escape there on a hot day....
Some of the school dinners also left an impression, the stew was ok but the mashed spuds with black lumps (yuk) put me off mashed potato for life -  I rarely cook mashed spuds even now and when I do I become obsessional mashing and whipping 'till no lumps remain.   Cheers and out MMcM
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: canadian sodafarl on February 02, 2013, 03:37:20 AM
What great memories. .Thank you for sharing. .Billy Scott

             Hi Billy have you moved yet i was just thinking about you CSF.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: brian77 on February 03, 2013, 09:50:57 AM
Thanks for these memories I also grew up in Silverstream Terrace (RSL) and remember the Portlocks, Bells etc. do you remember the Portlocks giant tortoise's? We lived directly facing Mallons pub before it was burnt in the early seventies, the shop facing Ballsillan chruch was called Kellys I done the paper deliveries for him and was in the shop getting my papers when he was shot, he was also attacked and pistol whipped a few weeks prior to his death and I was in the shop at that time too. Another name that springs to mind that lived in Harmony Hill was Linda Lunney who had a pet fox. The delivery boy for Hillarys grocery store who rode the black bike was my brother Paul.
Brian
 
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: MMcM on February 04, 2013, 06:37:18 AM
Hi Brian,
I remember The Bells, we called Mr Bell dinger Bell (Maeve was a good friend of mine), at that stage he was the only one in the street who had a car.
I also remember Portlocks; Mr Portlock was an avid birdwatcher (the feathered type), Pearce's, Rays, Duncans, Milligans, a family with three sons I think their name was Baird? Cunninghams, Rogers &Thompsons.
It was a long time ago, but I enjoyed my time in Silverstream.
Cheers,
MMcM
 
Title: Re: Ligoniel The barber's name was Henderson
Post by: John Kelly on February 06, 2013, 11:42:54 AM
Shillings,
             All my father's side of the family came from ligoniel-my aunt still lives there.It has changed alot over the years-lost the village attitude-shame.He and my uncles told me all kinds of stories about growing up in it.I still carry fond memories of visiting my Granny in  Ligoniel.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: MMcM on February 06, 2013, 12:13:47 PM
Hi
While searching for 117 Ligoniel Road I happened to come across this post and it has sparked a number of happy memories and brought up some familiar names. When I was 4 I moved here with my sister Anne, father Jim and mother Ella Rusk. My name is Paul Rusk and 60 years later my memory has certainly been stirred. I noted someone had grandparents who lived before us at 117. When we arrived there was no road at Bill's Loney up the side of St. Marks (just a swampy track). There was no electric, the windows had iron bars and water came from springs from the hills. Our next door neighbour was Mrs Alexander who lived in her own in a cottage over the fields. Her coal was delivered past our house in a wheelbarrow pulled by rope over the fields by the coal man's 2 sons.
I went to Ligoniel primary beside Mrs Campbell's shop. My own grandfather had a shop at one time next to the police station. This reminds me of a time a friend and I found a time box with some cheap jewellery near the many pigeon lofts nearby. We promptly took it to the station believing it to be the Crown Jewels! Ligoniel certainly encouraged our imagination as we always seemed to have plenty of time to find our own amusement. Here's hoping for more pleasant memories to return - Welshman, Isaac the barber an' all!
 :)
Hi Paul, do you know what happened to Stuart Cathcart?
Cheers MMCM.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Pat McGovern on February 06, 2013, 07:04:31 PM
Hi
While searching for 117 Ligoniel Road I happened to come across this post and it has sparked a number of happy memories and brought up some familiar names. When I was 4 I moved here with my sister Anne, father Jim and mother Ella Rusk. My name is Paul Rusk and 60 years later my memory has certainly been stirred. I noted someone had grandparents who lived before us at 117. When we arrived there was no road at Bill's Loney up the side of St. Marks (just a swampy track). There was no electric, the windows had iron bars and water came from springs from the hills. Our next door neighbour was Mrs Alexander who lived in her own in a cottage over the fields. Her coal was delivered past our house in a wheelbarrow pulled by rope over the fields by the coal man's 2 sons.
I went to Ligoniel primary beside Mrs Campbell's shop. My own grandfather had a shop at one time next to the police station. This reminds me of a time a friend and I found a time box with some cheap jewellery near the many pigeon lofts nearby. We promptly took it to the station believing it to be the Crown Jewels! Ligoniel certainly encouraged our imagination as we always seemed to have plenty of time to find our own amusement. Here's hoping for more pleasant memories to return - Welshman, Isaac the barber an' all!
 :)
Hi Paul
My Grandparents, James Short & Catherine Crosby Short are shown in the 1911 census as living at 117 Ligoniel Rd. with 5 children plus 2 lodgers.  I don't know when they moved into the house but I think probably late 1907 or early 1908.  My Mother was born in Scotland in 1907 and they returned to Ligoniel when she was still a baby.  Catherine died a couple of yrs later.  James went off to the war and the children went to live with Catherine's sisters, Mary, Nelly & Jinny Crosby, at 198 Ligoniel Rd.  So I would reckon there would have been other families between then and when you went to live there.  Where was 117?  I know 198 was in the row of white houses.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on February 06, 2013, 07:49:14 PM
HELLO PAT , I LIVED WITH MY GRAN LIGONIEL RD  AND IM SURE IT WAS NEXT DOOR TO THE CROSBY FAMILY , 196,THE FAMILY WERE CALLED TOLAND ,THERE WAS JUST ABOVE THEM THE ROSS FAMILY ,THE SCULLIANS ,MCGINTIES, THE BOALS ,
I WENT TO WOLFHILL SCHOOL 1943, BUT FINELY LEFT BELFAST 1957 ,
YES WE ALL LIVED IN THE WHITE ROW ,BILLY RICHIES SHOP BEING ON END JUST BEFORE THE METHIDIST CHUCH, BTW THERES ANOTHER THREAD WITH GRAT PHOTOS OF OLD LIGONIEL  WELL THE LIGONIEL I REMEMBER ,,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Pat McGovern on February 07, 2013, 03:43:48 PM
HELLO PAT , I LIVED WITH MY GRAN LIGONIEL RD  AND IM SURE IT WAS NEXT DOOR TO THE CROSBY FAMILY , 196,THE FAMILY WERE CALLED TOLAND ,THERE WAS JUST ABOVE THEM THE ROSS FAMILY ,THE SCULLIANS ,MCGINTIES, THE BOALS ,
I WENT TO WOLFHILL SCHOOL 1943, BUT FINELY LEFT BELFAST 1957 ,
YES WE ALL LIVED IN THE WHITE ROW ,BILLY RICHIES SHOP BEING ON END JUST BEFORE THE METHIDIST CHUCH, BTW THERES ANOTHER THREAD WITH GRAT PHOTOS OF OLD LIGONIEL  WELL THE LIGONIEL I REMEMBER ,,

Hi
There's a chance that we met at some-time in the past.  My Mother's aunts lived there till they died.  Nelly in 1956, Mary 1964 and Jinny 1976.  I loved to visit them.  My Mam put me on the tram at Ardoyne and I got out almost at their door.  They were great at handwork.  Making the altar linens and they crocheted the loveliest clothes for my doll.  I had the best dressed doll in Ardoyne.  I went for walks around the Mare (spelling ?) and there was a shop that sold yellow-man.  So a bag of it for me and snuff for my Aunt Nelly.  I remember the jawbox ( now fashioably known known as the Belfast Sink) and the mangle out in the yard.  Then at the end of my visit I got sixpence and a little basket filled with eggs, each one wrapped in newspaper,  to take back down the Road.
I know all the names you mentioned.  I haven't been in Ligoniel for years but now and then take a wee Google tour around it.  I've seen the Ligoniel photos you mentioned and have printed them out.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brillpaul on February 07, 2013, 09:32:20 PM
Hi
117 is up the side of St Marks (C of I) opposite the top entrance of Ligoniel Park past the present Ligoniel Primary School but there were only fields around it when I arrived age 4 or 5. As far as I know there had been 2 sisters living there before us. There was a deep crack on one of the bedroom doors apparently from a fireman's axe to find one of the sisters who had died there. I'm sorry  I don't know their names. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Pat McGovern on February 08, 2013, 05:36:36 PM
Hi
117 is up the side of St Marks (C of I) opposite the top entrance of Ligoniel Park past the present Ligoniel Primary School but there were only fields around it when I arrived age 4 or 5. As far as I know there had been 2 sisters living there before us. There was a deep crack on one of the bedroom doors apparently from a fireman's axe to find one of the sisters who had died there. I'm sorry  I don't know their names. Hope this helps.

Hi Paul
 
Thanks for that info. Paul.  I've just Googled it and had a look..  I've been out of Belfast 34 yrs so Ligoniel has greatly changed for me.  I forgot to mention that my Aunts lived in 198 Ligoniel Rd. ( the white houses) which is where my Mother and the other children went to live after the death of their Mother and Father going off to the war.  I don't know who the two sisters where who lived in 117.  In the 1911 census there were two boarders living with my Grandparents, Jane Redmond 72 Widow and Jane McMullin 73 single.  What year did you move into the house Paul?  Is it possible that it was one of these old ladies?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brillpaul on February 08, 2013, 06:35:32 PM
Hi Pat
I moved there in 1953 -54 because I stated St Marks Infants school shortly after that. There was a swamp up to the house so we had to climb onto the bank to get up to the house. The solicitor asked my dad if he wasn't buying a 'pig 'n a poke'. It was a great place to live, especially when I dug a trench to the current primary school to lay water and mains electric.
Your evidence about the 2 lodgers sounds plausible. Did your mum and family move to 198 leaving the 2 lodgers at 117? I left there after my dad died from a stroke  and I got married - about 1982.Google shows change is in progress at 117 so I must take a trip up sometime to
bring back some good memories if nothing else. All the best Paul.  :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: elsiehutchinson on February 08, 2013, 10:41:18 PM
my father an brother worked in the milll it was glenbank one worked in the bleach house an one worked in the dye house bob hutchinson an charlie worked there for years
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: elsiehutchinson on February 08, 2013, 11:05:47 PM
i rem the mc coys worked with my dad an brother in the 50s an billy mc coy was none of a very few that ran a catalogue an i used to get most of my clothes for to go to dances out of it  they lived in the wee white washed houses with the half door down by harmony
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Pat McGovern on February 09, 2013, 09:19:21 AM
my father an brother worked in the milll it was glenbank one worked in the bleach house an one worked in the dye house bob hutchinson an charlie worked there for years
Hi Paul
Definitely not the two lodgers still there in 1953.  When you take into consideration the two old ladies were in their 70s in 1911 (census).  When I read of the condition of the house in 1953 I just can't imagine what it was like in 1907.  Weren't conditions very hard in those days.  When I think of my Grandparents marrying at 19 and within 11-12 yrs she died giving birth to her 7th child. My Grandfather and his brother going off to the 1st W.W., GF to the Dardanelles and his brother to France .  The brother died and is buried in France. 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Pat McGovern on February 09, 2013, 09:22:26 AM
My last post was for Paul and not Elsie.  Sorry
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: MMcM on February 12, 2013, 12:33:32 AM
Hi Paul,
I went to St Marks Primary School and was one of a group of friends who used to come up to your house to play. ;)
My mum and your mum were friends.
I was wondering if you remember Stuart Cathcart? is he still in NI?
Cheers,
MMcM
 
 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: pentio on February 12, 2013, 08:27:55 AM
HELLO PAT , I LIVED WITH MY GRAN LIGONIEL RD  AND IM SURE IT WAS NEXT DOOR TO THE CROSBY FAMILY , 196,THE FAMILY WERE CALLED TOLAND ,THERE WAS JUST ABOVE THEM THE ROSS FAMILY ,THE SCULLIANS ,MCGINTIES, THE BOALS ,
I WENT TO WOLFHILL SCHOOL 1943, BUT FINELY LEFT BELFAST 1957 ,
YES WE ALL LIVED IN THE WHITE ROW ,BILLY RICHIES SHOP BEING ON END JUST BEFORE THE METHIDIST CHUCH, BTW THERES ANOTHER THREAD WITH GRAT PHOTOS OF OLD LIGONIEL  WELL THE LIGONIEL I REMEMBER ,,

Doffer, here is the link to the photo's of Ligoniel.

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12813.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12813.0.html)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brillpaul on February 12, 2013, 10:35:49 PM
Hi Paul,
I went to St Marks Primary School and was one of a group of friends who used to come up to your house to play. ;)
My mum and your mum were friends.
I was wondering if you remember Stuart Cathcart? is he still in NI?
Cheers,
MMcM

(http://i49.tinypic.com/mskm5i.jpg)
Yes Stuarts parents were friends of mine and lived in Lavens Drive. Stuart had a Triumph Tiger Cub Motorbike and I believe he moved to England. He had 2 brothers - Samuel and David and my sister met David recently in Bangor where they both live now as far as I know. Good to hear from you. Attached is photo of 117 Ligoniel  painted by a friend of my dad before building developments. Good to hear from you.  :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Pat McGovern on February 13, 2013, 08:40:14 PM
BrillPaul:
Hi Paul that painting is wonderful.  Thank you.  My Mother lived there in 1911 when she was 4 yrs old.
After I dry the tears I'll send this off to other family members.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brillpaul on February 13, 2013, 09:25:44 PM
Hi Pat
Your welcome - I was hoping that you would be interested in the painting. I think the painter was called Joe Carlin who was an illustrator for 'Punch' magazine in New York. When he had finished the painting he put that white smudge on the gable wall. My Dad asked why he had gone and ruined it but Joe replied 'that smudge is to remind you that you need your house painted. Needless to say I got the job shortly afterwards and nearly fell off the roof trying to paint the chimneys. There was a great view of Belfast from up there but the ground looked far, far away! :o
Paul
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on February 15, 2013, 02:47:50 AM
I remember Stuart Cathcart my Grandparents, Willie and Lisa Todd lived in # 11 Lavens Drive along with their children and I also went to St. Marks . Warren Feeny, Neil Martin also lived there and Billy Larkin on the street at the top of Lavens.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: MMcM on February 15, 2013, 02:19:34 PM
Hi there Paul,
Thank you for your reply and also the photo of the great painting of your Ligoniel home what a lovely keepsake to have;
As children we did have fun in those days running around your garden and sheds etc.
I knew the Cathcarts from Ballysillan Church also the Mission Hall; There was a younger sister in the family the name Cecilia comes to mind but I could be way off!
My mum greatly appreciated your parents hospitality when she was back in Ligoniel for a holiday.
My mum sadly passed away in 2010 aged 89 yrs.
Cheers,
MMcM
 
PS: To udini,
Sorry I didn't know the Todds from Lavens Drive. I was at St Marks 'till 1959 (remember Mr Lamont?) before going to Everton, I left Everton in 1963.
 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brillpaul on February 16, 2013, 05:05:03 PM
Hi there Paul,
Thank you for your reply and also the photo of the great painting of your Ligoniel home what a lovely keepsake to have;
As children we did have fun in those days running around your garden and sheds etc.
I knew the Cathcarts from Ballysillan Church also the Mission Hall; There was a younger sister in the family the name Cecilia comes to mind but I could be way off!
My mum greatly appreciated your parents hospitality when she was back in Ligoniel for a holiday.
My mum sadly passed away in 2010 aged 89 yrs.
Cheers,
MMcM
 
PS: To udini,
Sorry I didn't know the Todds from Lavens Drive. I was at St Marks 'till 1959 (remember Mr Lamont?) before going to Everton, I left Everton in 1963.
Hi
Sorry I can't remember you  - age does that. I see you are far from home. I remember going through Harmony and up the hill through fields to watch the cricket on the Mill grounds on long summer evening (don't seem to get them Anymore) I used to hang out with Bill Larkin and friends around the park. You can't remember the name at the top of Ladas Drive? Age does that. I met Bill Larkin's relAtive as a teacher in the old Ballygomartin boys school a few years ago.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Beetroot on February 27, 2013, 04:52:31 PM
Anyone from Ligoniel on here, got any old Stories from the Ballysilliam Road or Silvertream from Back in the Day  ;)
Issac Henderson the barber did'nt have electric clippers. Did a good haircut all the same. My Da told me Isacc used to rub some "Come back soon" on your head after the cutting.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: John Corbett on March 08, 2013, 08:30:42 PM
I remember the Graceys in Finlay Street. There was Betty & Shirley. They were a large and good family.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Slimbird on April 08, 2013, 12:36:32 AM
My parents were both from Ligoniel. Frank Noble and Maureen Rowley (Mary Jane). Both moved, maaried and settle in England. We spent lots of Summers in Ligoniel, playing with kids who couldn't understand us. We'd stay with my Granny Rowley, Ligoniel Road but my Granny Noble lived on Legboy Street. Remember taking stale bread to Grahams farm and they'd give us money for it. There was a caravan behind the houses on Ligoniel Road that sold sweets and that strange brown lemonade... brown !!. Great great times .
Both my Mum and Dad have passed away now. My Mum 7 yrs ago and and Dad just last week. Just feeling the need to reconnect with my roots here. Anyone remembers them it would be lovely to hear from you.
Me and my husband had the best ever weekend there last yr. People are so friendly.x
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on April 08, 2013, 05:46:32 AM
My parents were both from Ligoniel. Frank Noble and Maureen Rowley (Mary Jane). Both moved, maaried and settle in England. We spent lots of Summers in Ligoniel, playing with kids who couldn't understand us. We'd stay with my Granny Rowley, Ligoniel Road but my Granny Noble lived on Legboy Street. Remember taking stale bread to Grahams farm and they'd give us money for it. There was a caravan behind the houses on Ligoniel Road that sold sweets and that strange brown lemonade... brown !!. Great great times .
Both my Mum and Dad have passed away now. My Mum 7 yrs ago and and Dad just last week. Just feeling the need to reconnect with my roots here. Anyone remembers them it would be lovely to hear from you.
Me and my husband had the best ever weekend there last yr. People are so friendly.x
  G'day Slimbard. Did your Granny have two brothers one Tom and one Norman. One of them died while still in his teens. If so I knew them.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on April 08, 2013, 05:48:02 AM
My parents were both from Ligoniel. Frank Noble and Maureen Rowley (Mary Jane). Both moved, maaried and settle in England. We spent lots of Summers in Ligoniel, playing with kids who couldn't understand us. We'd stay with my Granny Rowley, Ligoniel Road but my Granny Noble lived on Legboy Street. Remember taking stale bread to Grahams farm and they'd give us money for it. There was a caravan behind the houses on Ligoniel Road that sold sweets and that strange brown lemonade... brown !!. Great great times .
Both my Mum and Dad have passed away now. My Mum 7 yrs ago and and Dad just last week. Just feeling the need to reconnect with my roots here. Anyone remembers them it would be lovely to hear from you.
Me and my husband had the best ever weekend there last yr. People are so friendly.x
  Sorry it should be Slimbird!
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: John Corbett on April 08, 2013, 10:11:31 AM
I remember Ned & Peadar Noble. The Rowleys lived on the front of the road in the "white-washed" houses. They were a quiet, good family. I think a daughter was drowned in an awful tragedy? I am a Corbett and there were several families of us living in Ligoniel.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Slimbird on April 08, 2013, 10:32:37 AM
There the ones but i don't know of a daughter drowning unless it was a family thing that's never been mentioned. Margaret and Pat are still in Ligoniel and Tom lives just outside. My Mum, Maureen passed away 07 April 2006 and my Dad, Frank passed away 02 April (last week). Not sure if you remember Louis Noble, his youngest brother?. He's coming over for the funeral so i'll mention this to him. Thank you so much for replying. I thought it would be a stab in the dark but reading how close knit Ligoniel was, i was very much mistaken.
So where are living now John ?.
Take care and thanks again
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on April 08, 2013, 10:52:29 AM

HI JOHN  ARE YOU RELATED TO THE CORBETTS FROM THE BACK ST ,,,,,,,,,,,MY AUNTS WENT AROUND WITH  SOME CORBETT GIRLS , THEY ALL LIVED FRONT OF RD  BELOW RICHIES SHOP ,,,,,,,,,,,THE TOLAND GIRLS  JEAN, KATHY, MARGARET  ALL WENT TO PICS AND DANCES TOGATHER , ALL TOLAND GIRLS WENT TO ENGLAND  AND STAYED ,,,,,,THIS WAS IN LATE 40S EARLY 50S ,,,,,,NORA AND  ELENOR SCULLION WERE ALSO FRIENDS OF THEIRS ,,,,,,,,,,,,,IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY  WHEN MY MUM &DAD MARRIED IT WAS A CORBETT GIRL THAT STOOD FOR THEM 1937,LOL,,
marg,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: John Corbett on April 08, 2013, 11:07:33 AM
Hi Doffer.
I am most certainly related to the Corbetts. There were several families of Corbetts in Ligoniel and were all related. My dad Patrick married Teresa Sands and after we left Lesley St., we lived with my granny Sands at 244 Ligoniel Road.
I knew Nora & 'Kittles' Scullion as well as brother Stevie. I also knew the Toland family and remember a Toland lady marrying Henry Scullion late in life.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: John Corbett on April 08, 2013, 11:10:55 AM
Hi Slimbird?
Please accept my sympathies on the loss of your dad (RIP)

I left Ligoniel in 1974 and now live in Northamptonshire.
If it hadn't been for the 'troubles' - I would never have left Ligoniel.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Slimbird on April 08, 2013, 07:33:09 PM
Hi John.

Thank you for that.

My Dad was the same. He never returned other than for his Mothers funeral. So sad that many families felt forced to split and leave families and their country for the madness of the troubles, and something i shall never be able to understand. x

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Slimbird on April 09, 2013, 01:43:08 PM
Hi John
My Aunt Margaret remembers you, and you leaving to go live in England.
 
Fulton - I'll ask my Aunt for you regarding my Grannys brothers.
XX
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: gismo on April 10, 2013, 12:33:13 AM
hi honestmay t know its a long time since i was on this thead and i said about a girl i met from silver stream that i met in the savoy u asked was her name roberta moody it may have been she was a lovely dark haired girl who had been sadly contracted polio when she was young.which left her with a weak leg and she had to wear callapers it a long time ago another time another place regards gismo btw i was in my twenties at the time
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: poogle on April 11, 2013, 12:20:45 AM
Slimbird sorry to hear about Frank.
The last time I saw your Dad was at  my Grannie Noble's funeral.
He stayed at our house with Bernard and Ned.
I believe that was the last time  all the  Noble clan came together.
My Da was Roy.
 
I will keep you and Uncle Frank in my prayers.
 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Slimbird on April 15, 2013, 10:18:01 AM
Hi there
Wow.. talk about turning a negative into a positive. Can't believe my Dad didn't keep in touch with his family and what he's missed out on over the years. You'll probably know this already but Louis and Anne were over for the funeral. Such lovely people. I've been chatting to their daughter, Julie, and she told me that your Dad was her favourite Uncle. Louis filled in some of the gaps that my Dad never told us about.. our Grand parents and Ned being such great singers, having accomplished sports people and story attached to the Hills, to name a few !!.
Me and my younger sister, Lyn came across for my Granny Noble's funeral and we stayed with my Granny Rowley. I do recall seeing our Granny Noble and remember her being a big character.
Me and my husband (Joe) were over in Belfast last October and had the best weekend ever. We're thinking of coming over for the May bank holiday (the end one).
I know in time i'll get my head around my Dad's passing, just feels rubiish at the minute. He was 86 and his health was failing, to want anymore would have been selfish. He'd developed diabetes and had complications with his circulation. He had a great life and had such a sharp mind right up til the end.I'm sure he was no different from the rest of the Noble clan, having more character in his little finger than most people have in their enire body. Sure they'll all be up there now drinking endless cups of tea, catching up.
Thank you for replying. It's comforting to hear from everyone
Take care
Sharon
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: poogle on April 16, 2013, 05:08:55 AM
Sharon,
 
When my father died,I got the call here in the states at work and it took the legs right from under me.It left a massive hole in my heart and yes I agree it was rubbish.
But somewhere around 6 months,it all changed.Since then when I think of my father,I smile and my heart warms.The good times stay and the death although it is still there doesn't seem to cloud the memories.
 
At our grannie Noble's funeral,I got to hear the best piece of opera ever preformed.
Ned,John Penny(another part of the family) and my Da performed from the Makido-out of this world.
 
As for talent,your grannie Noble made the best bread,-soda bread,potato bread,fresh made pancakes,wheat bread.
Your Uncle Paeder inherited this-without doubt and without bias the greatest baker in Belfast.
 
I miss them all and it is a shame that they never all back together again.I would have loved that:The story telling,the singing and the craic would have been epic.
 
Eamonn.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Slimbird on April 17, 2013, 12:02:39 AM
Ohh..that's so lovely to know. I do recall seeing our Uncle Paeder once in mass, at St Vincent de Paul's. I could actually tell who he was before it was confirmed. If the other Nobles were similar I swear I would be able to pick them out in a crowd. I knew Louis at a glance. When I saw him at the airport, despite not seeing him for a zillion yrs, he asked how I'd known it was him, I felt like saying .. hello !! It was like seeing my Dad walking towards me. If you send me your e mail ad. I can forward you some photos of my Dad, to piece the family jigsaw together.
I also have a 50 yr recording of our a Uncle Ned singing. It is absolutely incredible. Louis gave it to me. So wish I'd had it my possession prior to my Dads funeral. If you don't know of this dry  recording ,it has 2 tracks .. Panis Angelicus and my Dads favourite, Ava Maria. If you don't have it, I could copy it for you and send it across. I can honestly say that the singing talent hasn't transferred through this part of family. However, our son, Alex (13) is an exceptional musician. He plays the guitar so well and can, quite incredibly, also play the piano, despite never having a lesson . Our other child is Olivia (21 in May) only said the other day (whilst singing along to car radio). ... "I really wish I could sing". My response was "And so I do Olivia,so do I"" haha. She's a great kid, studying for a Masters degree in Law in Newcastle. She's also the worlds worst cook/baker, so that talent has also failed to come down the line!!. Guess we can't have it all. I've been married to Joe for 23 yrs this June (OMG). He's a plumbing/gas engineer whose for the last yr been a site manager for a housing company. In his words, he's had enough of crawling through loft spaces. I work as a team leader within public health, in schools, mainly child protection ... Very demanding and draining but worthwhile. Anyway, I must sign off. There lies the Irish in me. I can talk forever.
Lovely to be reacquainted and I do promise not to stalk you. Just nice to feel that we haven't our lovely Dad completely . Take care . Sharon x x
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jawbox on April 30, 2013, 11:33:28 AM
Who remembers the old Ligoniel characters like John "Squeak" Kyle or Geordie "Stoker" Palmer
"Stoker" was OK!
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on April 30, 2013, 07:50:48 PM
"Stoker" was OK!
Correct
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: stephen. on May 14, 2013, 05:46:03 PM
My grandparents ,Mr &Mrs Gribbeen owned the Mayfair for over 30yrs , it was a great sweet shop,and at Easter sold some expensive eggs, the same at Christmas with all the boxes of chocolate.
The area has changed although the shop is still there,and is still a sweet shop
They also sold ice cream in wafers,some people called them sliders.
The small bottles of coke ice cold from the fridge were always in demand
I have many great memories being brought up in the shop.
Other shops where George O.Haras mens  clothes shop
Peggies hairdressers, Alex Kennedy fruit and veg
Oharas bakery
J Blaine owned a hardware shop,and also a wall paper shop
O Conners chippy
Fortunes chippy was beside the Mayfair

Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: stephen. on May 14, 2013, 07:15:40 PM
Thanks Foundry,
I can remember the little shop,but didn't know it was Gregg's.
Hi Brian,
I remember The Bells, we called Mr Bell dinger Bell (Maeve was a good friend of mine), at that stage he was the only one in the street who had a car.
I also remember Portlocks; Mr Portlock was an avid birdwatcher (the feathered type), Pearce's, Rays, Duncans, Milligans, a family with three sons I think their name was Baird? Cunninghams, Rogers &Thompsons.
It was a long time ago, but I enjoyed my time in Silverstream.
Cheers,
MMcM
 
Hi Brian,
I remember The Bells, we called Mr Bell dinger Bell (Maeve was a good friend of mine), at that stage he was the only one in the street who had a car.
I also remember Portlocks; Mr Portlock was an avid birdwatcher (the feathered type), Pearce's, Rays, Duncans, Milligans, a family with three sons I think their name was Baird? Cunninghams, Rogers &Thompsons.
It was a long time ago, but I enjoyed my time in Silverstream.
Cheers,
MMcM
 
Hi Brian,
I remember The Bells, we called Mr Bell dinger Bell (Maeve was a good friend of mine), at that stage he was the only one in the street who had a car.
I also remember Portlocks; Mr Portlock was an avid birdwatcher (the feathered type), Pearce's, Rays, Duncans, Milligans, a family with three sons I think their name was Baird? Cunninghams, Rogers &Thompsons.
It was a long time ago, but I enjoyed my time in Silverstream.
Cheers,
Hi Brian,
I remember The Bells, we called Mr Bell dinger Bell (Maeve was a good friend of mine), at that stage he was the only one in the street who had a car.
I also remember Portlocks; Mr Portlock was an avid birdwatcher (the feathered type), Pearce's, Rays, Duncans, Milligans, a family with three sons I think their name was Baird? Cunninghams, Rogers &Thompsons.
It was a long time ago, but I enjoyed my time in Silverstream.
Cheers,
MMcM
 
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MMcM
 
My grandparents ,Mr &Mrs Gribbeen owned the Mayfair for over 30yrs , it was a great sweet shop,and at Easter sold some expensive eggs, the same at Christmas with all the boxes of chocolate.
The area has changed although the shop is still there,and is still a sweet shop
They also sold ice cream in wafers,some people called them sliders.
The small bottles of coke ice cold from the fridge were always in demand
I have many great memories being brought up in the shop.
Other shops where George O.Haras mens  clothes shop
Peggies hairdressers, Alex Kennedy fruit and veg
Oharas bakery
J Blaine owned a hardware shop,and also a wall paper shop
Melville funeral was  beside the Post Office ,ran by the Gaston family
There was a bakery below where Bells shoe shop was, on the corner of the Ligoniel Rd
Crossets was at the top of Barguines St (spelt wrong)
O Conners chippy on the Ligoniel Rd
The laundrette was beside O Haras bakery on the main Rd
The fish shop was beside Kennedy's fruit shop
There was a butcher's below the elim,it was changed to a gents barber's ,owned by ?'Elwood
Fortunes chippy was beside the Mayfair
There was also a dry cleaners below  Kennedy's fruit shop
Hamilton's chemist is now in its third generation of family at the traffic lights
Mawhinney butchers beside McCulloughs bakery,
Jackson's Doctors , Promise sweet shop
The Co_Op at the top of the Bilston Rd

Ballsillan Arms Pub, Mallons Pub,
George Hilarys , there was a fruit shop on the left hand side about 100 yrds up the Ligoniel Rd
Ronnie George butchers on the corner of Ligoniel Rd
There are other shops although I can't remember there names , one was below the Co_Op the other was a shop below Conners chippy on the corner

Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: gordy on May 15, 2013, 11:50:58 AM
The shop below Conner's chippy on the corner of Ligoniel road/Crumlin road was "Walkers" (Jimmy Walker). Mr., Walker had to move out of his shop in 1970 or '71 because of the troubles at that time.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: stephen. on May 15, 2013, 01:52:47 PM
Thats correct , as soon i read it i remembered , there was also a shop just below the old
Co-Op, a sweet shop,small  supermarket style shop owned by Gillispes
Grahams old house beside the chemist, not sure what he did or sold they lived there,
Primroses sweet shop, became a fruit shop owned by Harry Ridings
There was also a builders supplies at the top to Limepark St owned i believe by
Hughie Brennan who lived in Springvale
Facing the Mayfair there was a small greengrocers shop owned i think by the Sands Family
Fleetwood Tyre depot  was another employer in later years,
The barbers owned by Pedlows at the bottom of Oakley St, in later years became a wool shop owned by Mrs Greenwood
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: brian77 on May 15, 2013, 05:24:32 PM
I think you called the shop beside the Co-op Macavoys they sold sweets groceries etc. my mate stole an apple from it one day and ole Macavoy told my mum it was me I near got killed over it LOL
Cheers Brian
 
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: toon army on May 15, 2013, 08:10:04 PM
Thats correct , as soon i read it i remembered , there was also a shop just below the old
Co-Op, a sweet shop,small  supermarket style shop owned by Gillispes
Grahams old house beside the chemist, not sure what he did or sold they lived there,
Primroses sweet shop, became a fruit shop owned by Harry Ridings
There was also a builders supplies at the top to Limepark St owned i believe by
Hughie Brennan who lived in Springvale
Facing the Mayfair there was a small greengrocers shop owned i think by the Sands Family
Fleetwood Tyre depot  was another employer in later years,
The barbers owned by Pedlows at the bottom of Oakley St, in later years became a wool shop owned by Mrs Greenwood
                                                                Hi Stephen, I worked in Mallons bar in 1970 have you any idea what became of big Joe Mallon the owner of the bar?
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: stephen. on May 16, 2013, 05:14:07 AM
I am sorry I don't ,I was 10yrs old then,
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: toon army on May 16, 2013, 05:23:23 PM
I am sorry I don't ,I was 10yrs old then,
                                                  Thanks anyway stephen,lol i was only 15teen myself. .Toon.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: cyclops on May 16, 2013, 07:07:34 PM
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Here's an old photo at the bottom of the Ligoniel Rd. just coming to the junction with Crumlin Rd.

I see a few posters remember Alex Kennedys greengrocer shop.
Alex was my wifes uncle and she worked in that wee shop for a while in the mid 60s.
I'm a new member and haven't posted too   many times but I see someone mentioning
the Dills in Ligoniel village.
The Dills were my fathers cousins so I guess that makes them my 2nd. cousins

It's a small world indeed.

Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: stephen. on May 16, 2013, 07:43:18 PM
i think there  was a woman who  worked in Kennedys fruit shop  called Peggy
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: udini on May 17, 2013, 04:26:51 AM
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Here's an old photo at the bottom of the Ligoniel Rd. just coming to the junction with Crumlin Rd.

I think this photo is from further up into Ligoniel, that looks like the Methodist Church on the left.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: cyclops on May 18, 2013, 01:35:12 PM
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You're probably right. here's one I took yesterday from Glenbank park looking straight down the Crumlin Rd,. as far as Ardoyne.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: fulton on May 21, 2013, 01:08:33 AM
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You're probably right. here's one I took yesterday from Glenbank park looking straight down the Crumlin Rd,. as far as Ardoyne.
G'day Cyclops. Thank you so much for the photo. It brings back some wonderful memories.Many,many times I walked through that park to get to the glenn, and have a swim in the old dam. A boy lived in the first house on the left.He and I were in the same class in school, (St. Marks) His name Tom Crosby.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: cyclops on May 21, 2013, 06:27:55 AM
Hi fulton,

I'm glad you enjoyed the photo. I remember the old dam well and had many hours fun around here.
In an earlier post I mentioned that my wife had worked in Alex Kennedys fruit shop on the front of the road.
In this photo you can see a family group walking down the street. They had just been in the park with their kids
and were heading home.   Just about where they are in the photo was Alex Kennedys house. Alex was my wifes uncle
and I've been in his house many times. Alex died a few years ago and his little shop is now an off licence liquor store.
Some people might consider that to be progress.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: fulton on May 22, 2013, 06:52:32 AM
Hi, Cyclops.
Did Alex Kennedy at one time sell his fruit and vegies. from what looked like a stable, in Le Roy St. I remember in the early 50s my mother sending me to buy potatoes.
It was on the right hand side, near where Le Roy and Primrose St's. meet, It had a very large wooden door. with a small door incerted for people to come and go. . I am testing my memory! the early 50s is a long time ago. ;)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: liza on July 18, 2013, 05:28:30 PM
 :smitten: I was madly in love with Louis Noble when I was 7 or 8 years old !!!Bet he won't even remember me !! sighhhh Love this site
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: stanley acheson on July 26, 2013, 05:51:35 PM
Anyone from Ligoniel on here, got any old Stories from the Ballysilliam Road or Silvertream from Back in the Day  ;)
HI ,I LIVED IN SIVLER STREAM TERRACE,FROM 1953 TO 1970.I REMEMBER HERBIE MCAVOYS WEE SHOP&LYNAS,S NEWSPAPER SHOP,MRS YOUNGS GROCERY SHOP @ THE TOR,BILLY SPIDERS SHOP(THATS WHAT WE CALLED HIM) THE COBWEB,CHINKY GRAHAMS BIKE SHOP,GEORGE HILLARYS , SANDY OHARAS BESIDE THE POST OFFICE , HEARNS DRAPERY THE MAYFAIRSWEET SHOP, BOY I,LL TELL YOU WHAT,MONEY WENT FURTHER THEN THAN IT DOES NOWREMEMBER JIMMY OCONNERS FISH AN CHIP SHOP,APLATE OF CHIPS & A COKE FOR A SHILLING,HAPPY DAYS
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: bookie1971 on September 11, 2013, 03:31:02 PM

I remember along Crumlin rd. just after the Loney(Bilston's Rd.)
there was Legmail St. Leroy St. Primrose St. then Legann St.
On opposite side Lavens Dr. Oakley St. and then Glenbank Dr.
I stand to be corrected as it's a very long time since I tread those streets. :)

Hi, I'm new here and just reading through all these lovely remembrances. My dad grew up in Ligoniel and I'm researching a novel set there, so all your recollections are great to read. I think the disused mill with the river flowing through it was called the Bleachworks, and my dad said the kids called the river The Bleachie.

My dad grew up on Oakley from birth to age of 19 or so when he went to sea and ended up in Canada, where the family is now. They were Murrays--George, Evelyn, and Margaret. They went to St. Marks. Anyone know them?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: RSL on September 12, 2013, 12:34:03 PM
Hi Bookie1971, and welcome.
Good luck with your book.I hope you get all the information that you need.
I remember Oakley street but not your Dad's name.The only family that I recall from there were the Cathcarts.
I also attended St.Marks from 1955-1960 so if your relatives attended those years we would have crossed
paths.regards,RSL.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: RSL on September 12, 2013, 12:39:11 PM
Hi Stanley,
Welcome to the forum.There is a photo of one of your old neighbours that you may remember,on the Everton
thread,page six. regardsRSL.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: bookie1971 on September 12, 2013, 01:34:50 PM
Hi Bookie1971, and welcome.
Good luck with your book.I hope you get all the information that you need.
I remember Oakley street but not your Dad's name.The only family that I recall from there were the Cathcarts.
I also attended St.Marks from 1955-1960 so if your relatives attended those years we would have crossed
paths.regards,RSL.

Thanks, RSL. My dad went to Everton as well. They were orphaned at an early age (he was 10 in 56, and his sisters a bit older), and lived in the house with their granny. He continued to live there alone after everyone moved out. I'm particularly interested in stories about the neighbourhood just before the Troubles got underway. The mid to late 60s. My understanding is things weren't as bad up there as in the lower west. My name is George, too, by the way. :)
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Slohaw on September 13, 2013, 03:43:16 PM
Hi - I went to St Marks National school in 1947 for 1 year because I could not get into Carrs Glen Primary even though I lived in Joanmount Gardens, which was only about 50/60 metres from the back gate. I had to walk up to top of Oldpark Road, turn left on to Ballysillan Park. Once I passed Pop Lennons shop, the road changed into a narrow country road up to the Bilson Road (then called the Loney).
Once my mother left me to school she would go to her half brothers shop (my Uncles) 909 Crumlin Road, which was just opposite Ligoniel Road. It was called "The Cobweb". My uncles name was Billy Graham but always known as  Billy Cobweb.
My, never to be forgotten, memory of St Marks is the class in the playground, in a circle, singing and doing the actions of THIS IS THE WAY WE COMB OUR HAIR   WASH OUR FACE ------ WASH OUR HANDS etc.
On entering the classroom for the first time, i can remember the smell of buns or scones baking in an oven.
These are GREATTTTTTTTTT memories

Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Slohaw on September 13, 2013, 04:43:10 PM
My memories of the shops on Right Hand Side of the Crumlin Road after the bend in the road at Glenbank were, A bakery set back a bit off the road, Launderette, O'Haras Bakery(Loved their Baps and Chocolate based Paris buns, Then was Primrose Street, Then Herons hardware shop, then small confectionary shop, Johnny McBride (Shoemaker), O'Connors pub, next came Leroy Street, George Hillarys (Grocers), Hamiltons (Chemist), "The Cobweb" confectionary, snuff, fags (my Uncles - after he retired the Chemists bought the shop to expand it into what it is today), Jim Graham (Cycles,charged accumators[large batteries], Jim also had a Blacksmiths through an entry off Legmail Street, McIlroys (shoe repairer), next was Legmail Street. A block on up there was McAvoys (confectonary & ice cream), next was a small road, then a Co-Op store  :o
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 14, 2013, 01:03:58 AM
hi bookie1971 I was born in 1942 lived in Oakley st about 54yrs,i know ur family well ,I am in contact with ur aunt evelyn,if there is anything I can help you with you are most welcome. I think you have been in my home a few years ago with your dad George.you are welcome to contact me for any information I can give you.there is also a post on here from a paul rusk who I think I recall from st marks school, he has a picture of a house which was up bills loney well I live in front of that house, im sad to say it is the shell of the house he would remember,i hope he reads this post.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 14, 2013, 01:26:46 AM
hi bookie 1971, should have said the bleach works was called glenbank bleach green it was just 1 street away from Oakley st ,a lot of the people from the turn of the road worked there [as I did] past the bleach green was called harmony it was just like the country-side, it was all fields, your aunt evelyn and our friends often went up through these to divis mountain and a place called robins well. it was a good time to live here then as it was before the troubles.i have a photo of harmony and the row of white washed cottages which the workers from glenbank lived in but I don't know how to up-load a photo onto this site but I will keep trying to put it on.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: fulton on September 14, 2013, 02:09:42 AM
G'day Slohaw. Thanks for the memories.  I went to St. Marks from 1944 until 1952. I would have been there during your year.  I remember Billy Graham very well. During the time we had to have coupons for sweets, I was always trying to put it over him, and try to get more sweets than I was entitled too. (he always won.). I remember while on a school camp in Dundrum , Billy's mother sent me a parcel of sweets, (bless her).  The small sweet shop next to Herons was known to us as Granny Porters. The Launderette in the early days was a ladies hairdressing salon, and before that it lay empty for many years. Jim Graham was a good friend of my older brother, they did a lot of cycling together. Jim Grahams father Tommy was the blacksmith. Many a time I took horses for old Sam Gordon to Tommy to be shod , On many occasions Jim would swing the sledge hammer for his Dad. :) Once again thanks for the memories.
Fulton. 
   
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on September 14, 2013, 11:21:23 AM
hi bookie 1971, should have said the bleach works was called glenbank bleach green it was just 1 street away from Oakley st ,a lot of the people from the turn of the road worked there [as I did] past the bleach green was called harmony it was just like the country-side, it was all fields, your aunt evelyn and our friends often went up through these to divis mountain and a place called robins well. it was a good time to live here then as it was before the troubles.i have a photo of harmony and the row of white washed cottages which the workers from glenbank lived in but I don't know how to up-load a photo onto this site but I will keep trying to put it on.
  G'day May, I noted on some of the posts mention of Oakley St. Lavans Drive. do you remember the next one up Barginnis St. That's where I lived, and I attended St. Marks school. Barginnis St. has been nocked down many years ago.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on September 14, 2013, 11:24:55 AM
hi bookie 1971, should have said the bleach works was called glenbank bleach green it was just 1 street away from Oakley st ,a lot of the people from the turn of the road worked there [as I did] past the bleach green was called harmony it was just like the country-side, it was all fields, your aunt evelyn and our friends often went up through these to divis mountain and a place called robins well. it was a good time to live here then as it was before the troubles.i have a photo of harmony and the row of white washed cottages which the workers from glenbank lived in but I don't know how to up-load a photo onto this site but I will keep trying to put it on.
I also worked in Glenbank bleach green for a little while. (in the dye house)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: RSL on September 14, 2013, 01:02:28 PM
Hi Fulton,
I remember Barginnis St.Sad to hear it is no longer there.Did it have a little shop at the top end or was
that Oakley St.?

Welcome May, Good to hear from new posters.
I remember"Bill's Loney"and also knew the Rusk family.Hope Paul reads your post.
Did you know Anne Gillespie when you lived in Oakley St?I think she lived with her Granny.
We also played up Harmony hill.I remember when it snowed in the hills there and completely changed
the landscape.Was an adventure to find our way back to Silverstream!Of course our Mum had no
idea that we had wandered so far away. :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 15, 2013, 12:00:15 AM
hi fulton, I knew quite a few people in barginess st one of my best friends was Margaret coulter,she had 2 sisters, betty and dolly and a brother Jackie.i remember martin mc cloy his family went to Australia.bobby and Wincislson mc aleer their dad was Charlie he was a butcher.the wilsons jimmy,charlie,dorothy and francis. Malcolm Campbell and his sister Maureen,andy and tommy fleming,the mc Reynolds,the st along the top legmore st ,bobby and jim simpson the gowdys the rocks .this is bringing so many happy memories back for me ,I mis -spelt Wilson mc aleer's name.im sure you would remember a few from Oakley st.do you recall the ringland's ivan,adrian and iris I keep in touch with iris in usa ,I have a school photo of iris's class and one of my own about 1948-9 im sure you would know ones on them.i went to st marks 1946-58 worked in white loft in glenbank about 7 yrs.it's so sad nearly all I have mentioned are all gone,the turn of the road was the best place ever,it has changed so much, I still live in the area ,just a bit further up crumlin rd.if there is anything I can tell you about here just ask,i have viewed these posts so many times a few I know [them or their families] but I always held back,its good to talk to any one from t.o.r
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 15, 2013, 12:06:57 AM
R S L  good to talk to you, the shop you mentioned was at the top of barginess st ,the owner was George crossett, if there is anything you wish to know just ask ,I have passed my 3 score and 10 but thank god my memory is good.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 15, 2013, 12:11:58 AM
R S L I did know anne gillispe [mis-spelt]her granny was mrs fleming they lived across the street from me [lovely family] I hope paul rusk sees these posts ,i'm going to take a picture of his house and try to post it on here.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: bookie1971 on September 15, 2013, 01:45:47 AM
hi bookie1971 I was born in 1942 lived in Oakley st about 54yrs,i know ur family well ,I am in contact with ur aunt evelyn,if there is anything I can help you with you are most welcome. I think you have been in my home a few years ago with your dad George.you are welcome to contact me for any information I can give you.there is also a post on here from a paul rusk who I think I recall from st marks school, he has a picture of a house which was up bills loney well I live in front of that house, im sad to say it is the shell of the house he would remember,i hope he reads this post.

Hi May,

Thanks for your note! I remember our visit. It was all a blur while I was there. I want to come back and walk around for a few days. Maybe in the spring. I sent my dad the link to this forum, but he may not post. I'm enjoying reading people's remembrances. Little shop names and details are making my book all the more authentic.

I'll get in touch with Auntie Evelyn to get your contact information. This kind of place makes the internet worthwhile.

Best,
George
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on September 15, 2013, 01:57:20 AM
Hi Fulton,
I remember Barginnis St.Sad to hear it is no longer there.Did it have a little shop at the top end or was
that Oakley St.?

Welcome May, Good to hear from new posters.
I remember"Bill's Loney"and also knew the Rusk family.Hope Paul reads your post.
Did you know Anne Gillespie when you lived in Oakley St?I think she lived with her Granny.
We also played up Harmony hill.I remember when it snowed in the hills there and completely changed
the landscape.Was an adventure to find our way back to Silverstream!Of course our Mum had no
idea that we had wandered so far away. :)
The little shop you speak of was at the top of Barginnis St. In my time it was owned by Mr. White. I think his first name was Tom.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: RSL on September 15, 2013, 01:45:57 PM
Thanks Fulton,
I remember going there with a friend of mine from Lavens Drive. :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: RSL on September 15, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
Hi May,
I hope you can get your photo's posted on here,it would be lovely to see them.
Anne was a friend of my sister's.Do you know if she is still in Belfast?
I left Belfast in 1963,a long time ago but still have the happy memories of my childhood there.
Hope you don't mind me asking all these questions :) Do you remember the Police barracks on
the Ligoniel Rd?The Sargent's daughter was in my class at St.Marks.I was wondering what happened to it
as I was looking at a map of the area and noticed it is not there anymore.
Also did you know the Cathcart family in Oakley St?

Hi George,
Glad you have made contact with some of the gook folk on the forum.
Hope your Dad joins.It would be good to hear his memories of the place.

Regards, RSL.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 15, 2013, 03:29:29 PM
hi R S L, I don't mind how many questions you ask me, so long as I can answer them....I have no idea where anne would be living now,i think her mum and dad lived in dunmurry,but that was years ago,most people you would have known moved away ,sadly there are very few of the older folk here now.all the streets are so different as to how you would remember them.the police barricks is long gone,i cant remember if it was blown up or just demolished the orange hall was wrecked and it was just on the block before the barricks.there were people called fyfe just around the corner from barricks, I was in same class at st marks school as brian fyfe, he had an older brother called Jackie and an older sister but I cant remember her name,i think their dad was stationed in the barricks.the other men I recall there were called sadiler and McMullan.the cathcarts lived in lavens drive, david,stewart and a sister Maureen,they also had relations who lived oppsite the library celia and david,would be their cousins sadly david was killed, he ran down bill's loney onto ligoniel rd in front of a lorry.the person I made contact with last night,his dad George, and his aunts evelyn and Margaret were from Oakley st too,they all live in Canada now.   I hope this tells you something,any thing I can help you with just ask.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on September 15, 2013, 03:41:35 PM
May,
I lived down Harmony Hill in one of the houses owned my Glenbank Mill. Both my parents Jean Todd and Bertie Sharkie worked in Glenbank. My Mum lived in 11 Lavens Drive with her parents and brothers and sisters.My Dad was originally from Ardoyne Village but his family moved up to Glenside Parade.I also went to St. Marks and can still remember my first day there . I was taken to school by my 2 uncles Jim and Tom Todd , who were still attending there. I had to go in by the "babies" entrance and , as I didn't want to go, I had my feet against the step with one uncle pulling and the other one pushing.
I still have great and loving memories and I hope to visit in 2014 as I will be visiting from Canada.
Keep up the "reports".
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on September 15, 2013, 03:54:19 PM
I think I might know your Dad George. In Oakley there were 2 Murray families, not related.Your Dad's family lived on the left as you entered Oakley from the Crumlin Road the other family was further up but on the right.


Hi, I'm new here and just reading through all these lovely remembrances. My dad grew up in Ligoniel and I'm researching a novel set there, so all your recollections are great to read. I think the disused mill with the river flowing through it was called the Bleachworks, and my dad said the kids called the river The Bleachie.

My dad grew up on Oakley from birth to age of 19 or so when he went to sea and ended up in Canada, where the family is now. They were Murrays--George, Evelyn, and Margaret. They went to St. Marks. Anyone know them?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: bookie1971 on September 15, 2013, 04:52:26 PM


Hi udini,

Yes, that's right. When we were there last we talked with the Flemmin family as well, I think on Lavens. We wandered around a lot and spent some time downtown wandering. Dad worked at a Mackies place on Woodvale before heading off to sea as a merchant marine. He played a lot of football, and was in the Dunmurry boys league, I think.

G
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 15, 2013, 06:35:38 PM
hi UDINI,i had a good idea who you were, I knew both your parents and their familys.if you let me have your e-mail address I have photos I know you will like.i don't know to post pics on here
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: bookie1971 on September 16, 2013, 02:56:40 PM
I have a book from the historical society there called "Ligoneil / Ballysillan Memories". It's full of great photos and anecdotes. Any others you would recommend?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 16, 2013, 03:47:56 PM
hi did you buy that book when you were here with ur dad,hope there is good photos in it . I am trying to post photos on here but it isn't working,i've just came across a picture that was takenat the bottom of the ligoniel rd over 100 yrs ago im going to e-mail to ur aunt evelyn.   evelyn had a friend call Roslyn[I think ] mcclinton she lived in ligoniel and has a wee book out about the historyof it,sorry I don't know of any other books about here. I have a few photos from this book ur dad and evelyn would know the people in them. .if only I could post them on here.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: bookie1971 on September 16, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
hi did you buy that book when you were here with ur dad,hope there is good photos in it . I am trying to post photos on here but it isn't working,i've just came across a picture that was takenat the bottom of the ligoniel rd over 100 yrs ago im going to e-mail to ur aunt evelyn.   evelyn had a friend call Roslyn[I think ] mcclinton she lived in ligoniel and has a wee book out about the historyof it,sorry I don't know of any other books about here. I have a few photos from this book ur dad and evelyn would know the people in them. .if only I could post them on here.

That's the book I have! I will try to scan a couple images from it.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 16, 2013, 03:57:24 PM
that's great,if it is the book im thinking there will be old photos of a class of school children from st marks school....only thing they are way way before my time I study the pic to try and recognise some one...
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on September 16, 2013, 09:34:09 PM
May,
It wasn't Martin McCloy who went to Australia, it was his brother Ambie along with his wife Janet Sharkie( my aunt) and their 4 children, Bertie, Billy, Norman and May.They used to live up Ligoniel in a nissin hut going up to the football pitch by the bus terminus . I visited them about 4 years ago and they are all living in the Melbourne area. If I am correct they are cousins to "Fulton".
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: RSL on September 17, 2013, 03:38:07 PM
Thanks May.You have been very helpful. :) I will keep in touch.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: DOFFER on September 21, 2013, 12:26:44 PM
 
 
 
yes you are correct ,,,,,,,,,,,smack bang middle ligoniel rd ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i can see my grannies house on the right hand side ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,tram was just passing the old police station ,,,,,,,,i adore that picture,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i grew up on ligoniel ,,,,,,,,,,,,so many happy memories ,,,,,,,,,,, :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: thewass on September 23, 2013, 07:18:06 PM
Hi there anyone on here go to Everton or Somerdale in the mid sixties,I left for Canada in 65 but returned in 68 ,homesick ::) lived in ligoniel at 5 Legnavea street,with my grandparents John and Aggie Luney, Some of the posts on here have brought backl a lot of memories,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: thewass on September 23, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
that should be 55 Legnavea street
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: bookie1971 on September 30, 2013, 06:23:36 PM
that's great,if it is the book im thinking there will be old photos of a class of school children from st marks school....only thing they are way way before my time I study the pic to try and recognise some one...

Hi May,

Can I ask you, and everyone else, a question about school levels? In Canada, the progression goes -- primary school (kindergarten, grades 1,2 and 3), elementary school (grades 4, 5, and 6), junior high school (grades 7, 8 and 9), then high school (grades 10, 11, 12). Kids graduate at about 18 and head off to university or college then.

How was St. Mark's/Everton set up? Was it forms? Levels? At what age did a boy move from St. Mark's to Everton? Were there other schools? What was the school for kids who were headed off to university?

Thanks to any who can answer.

G
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Gerarda on October 23, 2013, 05:33:09 PM

Hi, I'm new here and just reading through all these lovely remembrances. My dad grew up in Ligoniel and I'm researching a novel set there, so all your recollections are great to read. I think the disused mill with the river flowing through it was called the Bleachworks, and my dad said the kids called the river The Bleachie.

My dad grew up on Oakley from birth to age of 19 or so when he went to sea and ended up in Canada, where the family is now. They were Murrays--George, Evelyn, and Margaret. They went to St. Marks. Anyone know them?
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Hey my grandfathers chip shop was oConnors at the turn of the road I would love if anyone has any pics

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on October 23, 2013, 06:00:20 PM
Hi there anyone on here go to Everton or Somerdale in the mid sixties,I left for Canada in 65 but returned in 68 ,homesick ::) lived in ligoniel at 5 Legnavea street,with my grandparents John and Aggie Luney, Some of the posts on here have brought backl a lot of memories,
Hi there,
I went to St.Marks until 1960 then Everton till 1964. Luney rings a bell . Although I didn't live in Ligoniel I had relatives, Smilies, who lived there. I lived first in Harmony Hill then we moved up to Glenbank Place . I left there when I got married and came to Canada.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jawbox on October 31, 2013, 04:45:31 PM
that should be 55 Legnavea street
I remember Legnavea street well and some of the resident-----Cairns,Murray,"Skin" Smith and Reid were some.I remember John & Agnes Luney too. I'm trying to trace their son John (Abbey Hall hopper)who went to Canada .
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jawbox on November 01, 2013, 07:16:14 AM
hi did you buy that book when you were here with ur dad,hope there is good photos in it . I am trying to post photos on here but it isn't working,i've just came across a picture that was takenat the bottom of the ligoniel rd over 100 yrs ago im going to e-mail to ur aunt evelyn.   evelyn had a friend call Roslyn[I think ] mcclinton she lived in ligoniel and has a wee book out about the historyof it,sorry I don't know of any other books about here. I have a few photos from this book ur dad and evelyn would know the people in them. .if only I could post them on here.
Hi May
     The lady you mention with the book on Ligoniel was,I think, called McClintock. She lived only yards from my house in     Wolfhill Lane.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Tipperdarby on November 20, 2013, 03:41:02 AM
Does anyone remember the McKay family from Legnavea Street? Joe owned the butcher's shop on Ligoniel Road for many years. He has 2 brothers Sean and Henry who married 2 sisters and he has 2 sisters Phyllis and I forget the other one's name. They married 2 brothers. Joe married Isobel Flanagan from Etna Drive in Ardoyne. They live up in Wolfhill. I was speaking to them on the phone today. If Joe was on this Forum he would likely know the majority, if not all of the people mentioned. He has a phenomenal memory. Joe is 76 now and was in grand form today. :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose P on November 22, 2013, 11:49:43 AM
I am trying to trace the person who posted a comment on here saying their great uncle was jim patton of ligoniel.would be grateful for any help
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose P on November 22, 2013, 11:59:08 AM
I remember the luneys very well.they had relatives who lived next door to us in ligoniel George and cissie luney and their 4 children  yvonne, victor, Anne and Heather.George and cissie are gone now but the family are in the ballyclare area.there was also a girl called Maureen Luney who was Georges daughter from his fitst marriage.she emigrated to Canada in the 60s.hope this will help. Xx
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose P on November 22, 2013, 12:30:05 PM
To the person who was asking about ligoniel police station.I was told by the wolfhill centre just last week that the police station is now a bar.However i see the old station every time i am in my living room as i have a large picture of it as it was in the 60s.with my dads scooter outside.the RUC museum kindly sent me it.does anyone remember Warnocks paper shop on the ligoniel road? Someone mentioned Joe the butcher and that he is still around.Iremember him having very dark hair and his shop on ligoniel road always had fresh  sawdust put down.next to  his shop was mcgoldricks on the other side was Rolstons (mother and sister of Doctor Rolston) then there was Mary greens shop, a house then Joey crawfords.at the opposite corner was mary Ellens chippy.over the road at the corner of wolfhill avenue was Dicksons shop later owned by Wilbur who was married to a daughter of george O'hara.on wolfhill avenue lived McKees,Shorts'Paddy king,Millars'McClintocks,Pattons,Luneys and Robinsons
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose P on November 22, 2013, 01:02:03 PM
To Elwood.hi I remember your mother she worked with my mother and sister in the mill my sister Carol was sad to hear your mother is no longer around.Martha McGinty has been on different programs talking about ligoniel.i also remember castles shop later taken over by local "tycoon "George O'hara.by the way was your granny cissie cairns?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: shannonlf on December 15, 2013, 04:05:01 AM
Just had a smile on my face reading through all the posts of ligoniel. I love hearing the old stories.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on December 15, 2013, 10:29:19 AM
I remember the luneys very well.they had relatives who lived next door to us in ligoniel George and cissie luney and their 4 children  yvonne, victor, Anne and Heather.George and cissie are gone now but the family are in the ballyclare area.there was also a girl called Maureen Luney who was Georges daughter from his fitst marriage.she emigrated to Canada in the 60s.hope this will help. Xx
Hi, Rose P. I have a photo of Maureen Luney  taken when she was in her teens.I don't know how to put photos on the Forum! or if it's permissible !!!!
Fulton.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on December 15, 2013, 10:42:54 AM
Hi, again Rose P. I was at Sunday school with Maureen Luney.  I knew George and Cissie very well. I was just a little kid, attending Ligoniel Methodist Sunday School. Cissie was one of the teachers, and was very active in the Church.
Fulton.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 13, 2014, 03:47:23 PM
I lived on Glenbank Drive, No 13.  Can still think back and name most of the families from the bottom of the street to the top.  The Coyles lived in Number 1 and the Crosby's lived in the last house beside the Park.  This was 1950 -1957 or there abouts. We then moved to Silverstream Drive. :-)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 13, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
RNL I remember all those shops.  I also remember the Haddocks - they lived in Glenbank Drive, David, Elizabeth, and two other sisters whose names I forget.  Happy days.
Does anyone remember the two tramps - we called the man 'Forty Coats' who used to sleep in Ligoniel Park band hut?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 13, 2014, 04:11:31 PM
Udini Tom Adams is my cousin. He was brought up in the cottages down Harmony,.  His dad Billy worked in Glenbank Mill and I think his mum Hanna may have worked there too. He had an older brother called Billy.  Tom still lives in the area, he  lives in Glenbank Drive. 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 13, 2014, 04:22:14 PM
Linda the Mayfair was owned by Billy Gribbon and Fortunes Chip Shop was a couple of doors above the Mayfair.  Fortunes sold the best pasties in Belfast.  Did anyone go to the Mission Hall at the top of Bilston Road or when it was opposite the Chapel on the Ligoniel Road?  Ballysillan Presbyterian Church ?  My dad was Sammy Patterson, he took the youth club in the church and also preached in the mission Hall.  He used to take us for walks to Robins Well, we would take an old tin kettle and light a fire to make tea.  We always had our sandwiches with us. Those were good days.  Both my sisters went to St Marks Primary - Sandra and Maureen Patterson. I went to Wheatfield PS.  My goodness the memories are flooding back :-)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 13, 2014, 04:24:27 PM
Fulton I went to the Girls Life Brigade in the Methodist Church. Do you remember the Coburns from Glen Bank Drive?  Hettie, Elizabeth and Mary? I think they went to the Methodist. 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 13, 2014, 04:34:44 PM
Hi RSL,
There was a doctors up Ligoniel Road.  It was in a street on the right hand side going up - on the opposite side of the road from the Mission Hall and the same side as the Chapel. The first doctor I remember was a Doctor Nelson and then he was replaced by a Doctor Jackson who had been to the Mission Fields.  My grans sisters lived in the house opposite the entrance to the doctors. Their name was Tole or Tolen I think.  Maggie and Sarah. Now I'm back to early 1950's, didn't think I still held these memories, wonderful what a discussion like this can do for the memory cells lol 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on January 13, 2014, 04:42:08 PM
Udini Tom Adams is my cousin. He was brought up in the cottages down Harmony,.  His dad Billy worked in Glenbank Mill and I think his mum Hanna may have worked there too. He had an older brother called Billy.  Tom still lives in the area, he  lives in Glenbank Drive.

Joanie, the next time you see Tom Adams , ask him if he remembers splitting my head open with a rock!  We were down in the river throwing rocks into the river, I was in front of him and bent down to get a rock. When I stood up he had just thrown one and my head stopped it! I put my hand to the back of my head and it was covered in blood. Once Tom saw that he took off down the river to his Grannies? By the way my name is Bertie Sharkie.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 13, 2014, 04:54:20 PM
Hi Newry! Thanks for the welcome... :) ...I didn't get a PM, but judging from some of the posts on BF, privacy is overrated anyway.. ;) ! The street between the Co-op and 'Herbie's' was Loughview, and I lived at #1, so if you knew me then, you may know that would mean I am the Maureen Greer of whom you speak..lol... I am sooo curious as to your name! I found a group pic from around 1956 and I had written most of the girls'names on the back, so if you are concerned about privacy if you can give me your initials I'll maybe figure it out. I also have a small pic taken in the playground of seven of us. I'll try to scan both up soon. Look forward to hearing from you! BTW, How cool is this?? :)

Maureen I remember you name from my childhood. I think my sisters knew you - Maureen and Sandra Patterson??  We all went to the Mission Hall opposite the Chapel and then when it moved to Bilston. My dad sometimes preached - Sammy Patterson. My mum was Edie Patterson.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 13, 2014, 11:41:33 PM
Does anyone remember O'connors Chippy just up from Mrs Young's grocery shop?  Marie O'Connor and Kevin O'Connor worked in the shop. They had a brother Jim O'Connor who joined the Air Force about 1960. I also remember the wee scary woman who dressed in black. She lived opposite the library.  Was her name Suzanne?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 13, 2014, 11:49:53 PM
I lived in Silverstream Parade born 1953 and moved from Silverstream about 1980 down to Alliance, remember going to Isaccs in Ligoneil, and playing with the games he had where you got the ball in like a hand held pinball machine, was great fun then, not so sure the kids today would thinkso LOL

Brill Paul I remember you.  Your family went to the City Mission opposite the Chapel at Ligoniel. My dad was Sammy Patterson, the missionary was Mr Buick and then replaced by Mr Chestnut.  I remember your sister Ann as well.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 13, 2014, 11:55:01 PM

 I did Gateboy in Glenbank mill for a year back in the late 60s, remember the houses in Harmony Hill, remember the Granvilles esp Harry who was slightly older than myself and the Gormans ,and Adams def rings a bell . all great pigeon men

RpBert if you were Gateboy at Glenbank Mill you would know my uncles Noel Adams and Billy Adams.  My pop worked there as well William Adams but he died in his fifties. My gran was Mary Adams, she always used to stand at the gate and watch everyone go up and down to the mill. Does anyone remember the big policeman from Ligoniel Police Station ( well he seemed big at the time) Mr Sadler.  He was always walking up and down the road and would talk to everyone. Real community policing then :-)
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 14, 2014, 12:02:04 AM
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MMcM

Stephen My dad did all your granddad's painting. I can still see you granddad's face. He was a big man.  My dad was Sammy Patterson, I remember Mavis Gribban and there was another sister but I can't remember her name.  Your granddad was always good to us when we went into the shop. One of my happiest memories is when I was a wee girl, maybe four or five, looking in the windows of the Mayfair at Christmas. The windows were always full of lovely big boxes of chocolates and toffees in beautiful tins that could be kept and used long after the toffees were gone.  happy memories.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 14, 2014, 12:13:01 AM
Hi Bookie1971, and welcome.
Good luck with your book.I hope you get all the information that you need.
I remember Oakley street but not your Dad's name.The only family that I recall from there were the Cathcarts.
I also attended St.Marks from 1955-1960 so if your relatives attended those years we would have crossed
paths.regards,RSL.

Bookie1971 I knew the Murrays. My sister Maureen Patterson chummed with Margaret Murray, she was her best pal. I also knew the Cathcarts - Billy Cathcart was the dad and there were two sons, one was Stuart (or Stewart) he got called Stewertie, I don't remember the other brother's name.  The Cathcarts went to the Belfast City Mission up Ligoniel and later on the Bilston Road.  I'm sure there was a sister as well - Margaret Cathcart?  Just a guess.  Does anyone remember Bill Larkin?  I think it was maybe Legann Street the Larkins lived but not sure.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 14, 2014, 12:17:32 AM
My memories of the shops on Right Hand Side of the Crumlin Road after the bend in the road at Glenbank were, A bakery set back a bit off the road, Launderette, O'Haras Bakery(Loved their Baps and Chocolate based Paris buns, Then was Primrose Street, Then Herons hardware shop, then small confectionary shop, Johnny McBride (Shoemaker), O'Connors pub, next came Leroy Street, George Hillarys (Grocers), Hamiltons (Chemist), "The Cobweb" confectionary, snuff, fags (my Uncles - after he retired the Chemists bought the shop to expand it into what it is today), Jim Graham (Cycles,charged accumators[large batteries], Jim also had a Blacksmiths through an entry off Legmail Street, McIlroys (shoe repairer), next was Legmail Street. A block on up there was McAvoys (confectonary & ice cream), next was a small road, then a Co-Op store  :o

I used to get sent to Billy Cobwebs for an ounce of Stuff, it was a creepy wee shop. Billy Cobweb used to weigh it out on little scales.   There was an old Red phone box near his shop.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 14, 2014, 12:24:04 AM
May,
I lived down Harmony Hill in one of the houses owned my Glenbank Mill. Both my parents Jean Todd and Bertie Sharkie worked in Glenbank. My Mum lived in 11 Lavens Drive with her parents and brothers and sisters.My Dad was originally from Ardoyne Village but his family moved up to Glenside Parade.I also went to St. Marks and can still remember my first day there . I was taken to school by my 2 uncles Jim and Tom Todd , who were still attending there. I had to go in by the "babies" entrance and , as I didn't want to go, I had my feet against the step with one uncle pulling and the other one pushing.
I still have great and loving memories and I hope to visit in 2014 as I will be visiting from Canada.
Keep up the "reports".

May did Stuart Cathcart go to Canada?  Did you remember the Larkins - I think Lavens Drive.  Bill Larkin went to Inst Academy, he went about with Stuart Cathcart. 
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Joanie Patterson on January 14, 2014, 12:31:54 AM

Maureen I remember you name from my childhood. I think my sisters knew you - Maureen and Sandra Patterson??  We all went to the Mission Hall opposite the Chapel and then when it moved to Bilston. My dad sometimes preached - Sammy Patterson. My mum was Edie Patterson.

Udini I know who you are, I remember the Sharkies.  Where about in Canada are you?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on January 15, 2014, 03:48:48 AM
Fulton I went to the Girls Life Brigade in the Methodist Church. Do you remember the Coburns from Glen Bank Drive?  Hettie, Elizabeth and Mary? I think they went to the Methodist. 
G'day JP. I remember the Coburns. It was probably Their parents. Jimmy worked in the office in Glenbank. Hettie his wife, was my sister in laws Aunt. As my sister in law is now in her 80s. It is most likely it was the parents I knew.
Fulton.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on January 15, 2014, 04:00:18 AM
Linda the Mayfair was owned by Billy Gribbon and Fortunes Chip Shop was a couple of doors above the Mayfair.  Fortunes sold the best pasties in Belfast.  Did anyone go to the Mission Hall at the top of Bilston Road or when it was opposite the Chapel on the Ligoniel Road?  Ballysillan Presbyterian Church ?  My dad was Sammy Patterson, he took the youth club in the church and also preached in the mission Hall.  He used to take us for walks to Robins Well, we would take an old tin kettle and light a fire to make tea.  We always had our sandwiches with us. Those were good days.  Both my sisters went to St Marks Primary - Sandra and Maureen Patterson. I went to Wheatfield PS.  My goodness the memories are flooding back :-)
Hi, again, Teddy Fortune, gave my brother a suitcase to pack his goods in when he left for Australia in 1949.
Fulton. P.S. A girl from the Mayfair went to the Methodist Sunday School the same time as me, I think her name was Linda.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: fulton on January 15, 2014, 04:10:05 AM
Does anyone remember O'connors Chippy just up from Mrs Young's grocery shop?  Marie O'Connor and Kevin O'Connor worked in the shop. They had a brother Jim O'Connor who joined the Air Force about 1960. I also remember the wee scary woman who dressed in black. She lived opposite the library.  Was her name Suzanne?
The wee scary woman you speak of I think was Roseanne Mc Garry!!!!!!!!!      I remember a lot of things about( the turn of the road) The people and the places. O'Connors chippy, the Cobweb, George Hillery the grocer, Hamilton the chemist. I could go on forever. Thank you for bringing back so many great memories.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: davyc on January 27, 2014, 05:26:55 PM
My granny lived in legnavea  street, cassie mcdowell, went up there at weekends to stay. Played with two families up there, the oneils and the jacksons, this was in the late 50s early 60s good times. ::)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Tipperdarby on January 27, 2014, 07:30:04 PM
My granny lived in legnavea  street, cassie mcdowell, went up there at weekends to stay. Played with two families up there, the oneils and the jacksons, this was in the late 50s early 60s good times. ::)
Would that have been Jim Jackson and his sister Bridie?   
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: davyc on January 27, 2014, 10:54:37 PM
Hi tipperdarby, good to hear from you, this is my first time on the forum and I was surprised I got an answer. Answer to your question is yes it was jim, I didnt know his sister that well,, I know he had an older brother who played football for glentoran and then manchester united.i think his father was called jim and I know that his mothers name was kathleen who was good friends with my gran. My gran lived at 65 and the jacksons lived further up in a little cul de sac.the o neills names were maurice and I think michael. We were all  round the same age then, good memories before the troubles started.hope this helps you.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Tipperdarby on January 27, 2014, 11:41:48 PM
Hi tipperdarby, good to hear from you, this is my first time on the forum and I was surprised I got an answer. Answer to your question is yes it was jim, I didnt know his sister that well,, I know he had an older brother who played football for glentoran and then manchester united.i think his father was called jim and I know that his mothers name was kathleen who was good friends with my gran. My gran lived at 65 and the jacksons lived further up in a little cul de sac.the o neills names were maurice and I think michael. We were all  round the same age then, good memories before the troubles started.hope this helps you.
davyc,
I forgot to say welcome to the Belfast Forum. It is mostly good fun :)
Jim Jackson is my eldest son's Godfather. He was engaged to one of my sisters at the time but that didn't last. I don't know anything about him now. He was a lovely fella then and I'm sure he is a lovely man now. We lived in Wolfhill until we came to Canada in 1977.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on January 27, 2014, 11:52:03 PM
Hi tipperdarby, good to hear from you, this is my first time on the forum and I was surprised I got an answer. Answer to your question is yes it was jim, I didnt know his sister that well,, I know he had an older brother who played football for glentoran and then manchester united.i think his father was called jim and I know that his mothers name was kathleen who was good friends with my gran. My gran lived at 65 and the jacksons lived further up in a little cul de sac.the o neills names were maurice and I think michael. We were all  round the same age then, good memories before the troubles started.hope this helps you.
I think the fathers name was Barney
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: davyc on January 28, 2014, 01:42:14 AM
It could well have been barney mostly knew the mum then. I see people asking about the mcgintys from the front of the road. My granny cassie mcdowell was ginny mcgintys sister.they had a big family, hughie, tizzy, kitty, tommy, maureen, ann and wee davy who died young .the dad davy died coming home from thee shipyard one night.l remember my mum telling me all this.she was their cousin.this is great to listen to.gets to know people .
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Tipperdarby on January 28, 2014, 01:47:11 AM
I think the fathers name was Barney
That sounds right.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: bonkers82 on March 19, 2014, 11:39:31 AM
Mervyn Smylie is my mums cousin.  Mum is bessie mcfarlane
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jawbox on May 07, 2014, 12:05:10 PM
Thanks for the information about Richies, Doffer!  :) I can't wait to tell my sister I was right.  Did the ::)  name McMurray mean anything to you? There was an awful lot of them!

And Fulton, thanks for the response regarding Legane St. It's nice to know my 49 year old memories can't be too wrong.

It's been a long day here so I'll say goodnight. Regards Elwood
Hi Elwood, rem Harry McMurray ----best singer of Western songs there was !
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jawbox on May 07, 2014, 12:26:00 PM
I used to live in Lever Street as a kid i remember Joey Crawfords shop Gallagers Chippie
Hi B O B I rem when Joey cut a slice of cheese he would always eat the few crumbs that fell onto the board. And queuing up at Gallagers chippy on a Friday night.  Sometimes Stoker would turn up & livened things up.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on May 07, 2014, 06:32:47 PM
Hi B O B I rem when Joey cut a slice of cheese he would always eat the few crumbs that fell onto the board. And queuing up at Gallagers chippy on a Friday night.  Sometimes Stoker would turn up & livened things up.
Stokers songs were quite well known ;)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: asp1 on May 09, 2014, 07:56:58 PM
Bonkers82   I went to Everton 1964 til 1969 and there was a Bessie McFarlane in my class maybe she is your mum.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: udini on May 10, 2014, 06:02:25 PM

Udini I know who you are, I remember the Sharkies.  Where about in Canada are you?

I used to go to St.Marks with Billy Larkin. My Granny Todd lived in Lavens Drive and I would go from there to school.
I am in Edmonton, Alberta, been here since 1977.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on May 10, 2014, 06:04:14 PM
Mervyn Smylie is my mums cousin.  Mum is bessie mcfarlane

Mervyn Smylie is my cousin. I just spend a short time with him and his wife Hilary when we were over from Canada in March/April.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Marjorie on May 12, 2014, 11:09:23 PM
Hi Elwood & Doffer.  I just stumbled across this site accidentally while trying to look up the current Ligoniel Doctor's address & I'm glad I did! Bella Armstrong was my great aunt & it just seems to unreal to see her name mentioned here.  She died when I was only 4 but she was a larger than life character and I still have some very fond & vivid memories of her!  I remember the McMurray sisters well too, and, if I'm thinking of the same Gracey family, I also remember them as they lived next door to my (late) granny in Finlay Street many years ago.  Cecelia (known as "Ceilly") Gracey was a great friend of my granny's & she just celebrated her 100th birthday last August!
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on May 13, 2014, 12:59:57 PM
Hi Group, Im doing a bit of Family Research, my Great Grandmother was Susannah Smith nee Todd she married William Smith they had Children William, James, Robert, Thomas ( my grandfather) and Mary Jane, i think there may have been another 2 children as per the 1911 Census they were from Wolfhill Avenue.

Im also looking information on the Boyds, My great Grandmother was Sarah Fletcher Boyd who married Thomas Giffen in Canada, Sarahs Mother was called Martha Boyd Im trying to find out who Martha's husband is as i cant seem to find any records, also from Ligoniel - Lesley Street

Many thanks in advance :)  Jac
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: PaulineRooney on June 03, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
Hi folks, some fascinating information here, throughly enjoyed reading all your lovely memories of Ligoniel, i have been researching family tree stuff and every now and then stumpled upon old pictures of Ligoniel so as i went along i just saved the images to my computer to look at later, i have since added these pictures to a page on facebook called Old Ligoniel Pictures, ive also posted old footage of ligoniel to youtube which was forwarded to me by Hance Mcshane. Theres some amazing images that im sure will bring all your lovely memories to life, feel free to comment under the pictures with names dates ect :-) Hope you all enjoy
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Nessie savage on June 10, 2014, 12:05:16 AM
Dose anyone here on this know my family the kinkaids from wolf hill lane and the oh areasoh areas
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Nessie savage on June 10, 2014, 12:08:40 AM
And the oharas were my family as well
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Sachs on June 10, 2014, 04:00:46 AM
Nessie

Did you go to Wheatfield Primary during the mid sixties?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on June 10, 2014, 06:28:27 PM
IM RELATED TO THE MCGRANDLES ,TOLANDS, OHARAS  ALL LIVED LIGONIEL ,ON THE MAIN RD ,FINLEY ST ETC
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Nessie savage on June 10, 2014, 11:24:21 PM
No I went to edenbrooke and everton
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Nessie savage on June 10, 2014, 11:25:54 PM
My grandparents were jinty and Johnny Kinkaid who had Andy Jackie Rene lily and sammeul who were their family
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Nessie savage on June 10, 2014, 11:26:35 PM
My great Granda was dash ohara
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: thewass on June 29, 2014, 02:23:14 PM
rene Kincaid was married to bobby menaul,think that's how its spelt,they lived in 58 legnavea st,had 2 sons,roy and david,this was around 1968
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: gordy on June 29, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
My great Granda was dash ohara
My Granda was Dash O'Hara, Finlay Street, Ligoniel. He suffered from alzheimer’s in his later years. He would come around to my dad's house and get a fill of tobacco in his pipe then walk out off the door and tap it out. Lovely wee man.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on July 09, 2014, 02:36:37 AM
Dash O'Hara that name rings a bell. Did he play football? My Dad , Bertie Sharkie, over time ran some teams up Ligoniel and Harmony , and I seem to remember him playing with my Dad.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on July 12, 2014, 06:13:52 PM
TS OF OTHERS EDWARDS LIVED IN LADBROKE DRIVE  I AM STILL IN TOUCH WITH ETTA  MULLAN ( NEE EDWARDS )/
Dash O'Hara that name rings a bell. Did he play football? My Dad , Bertie Sharkie, over time ran some teams up Ligoniel and Harmony , and I seem to remember him playing with my Dad.
   yes  i  knew  both your  grandparnets   my  granny  was great friends  wlth  your  granny  your  aunt renie  came in and out of our  house   in  ligoniel  my aunt ester was married till your  grandad twin  brother   they lived in silverstream  my name was  doris mc keen
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on August 05, 2014, 04:06:24 AM
To Elwood.hi I remember your mother she worked with my mother and sister in the mill my sister Carol was sad to hear your mother is no longer around.Martha McGinty has been on different programs talking about ligoniel.i also remember castles shop later taken over by local "tycoon "George O'hara.by the way was your granny cissie cairns?

Hi RP, haven't been on this site for ages. I hope this post gets to you, I've forgotten how to do this.
It's nice to hear that someone remembers my mother. It's been six long years since we lost her!
Cissie Cairns was the widow of my mother's brother Jim who was killed somewhere in Belgium I believe during WW11. My husband and I visited my Aunt Cissie years ago when we visited Belfast. She is long gone now, but a lovely woman. My maternal granny was Sarah Cairns her and my granda (Hugh) lived in Legane St until their death in the early sixties (?).
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on August 05, 2014, 04:30:44 PM
i  was  very pleased to read  your measage  it the frist time  i have found  any  relattves  my  granny susan  martain was your grandfather  sisterihave found out  she was born in the bellfast workhouse  there mother and father were called sarah  and samuel  ialso rember cissie  hope you dont mind me getting in touch  mmy name was doris mc keen all the best
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on August 05, 2014, 05:06:30 PM
Dose anyone here on this know my family the kinkaids from wolf hill lane and the oh areasoh areas
i   i remember  your granny very well  as she was a good friend  of my granny  also i knew  your mum  she brouht you up to our house for to show you off i can renember nurseing you our familes wer very close
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on August 07, 2014, 04:22:16 AM
i  was  very pleased to read  your measage  it the frist time  i have found  any  relattves  my  granny susan  martain was your grandfather  sisterihave found out  she was born in the bellfast workhouse  there mother and father were called sarah  and samuel  ialso rember cissie  hope you dont mind me getting in touch  mmy name was doris mc keen all the best

Hello Doris, it was lovely to hear from you. It is great to find someone from that side of the family. My mother asked me ages ago if I could try and find some information on her father. His past seemed to be a bit of a mystery. All I could find were 2 records in the Census of Hugh and Susan, their last address being on the Ligoniel Road. My cousin Carol, in England, was also trying to chase up some info. I'd really like to talk to you about things, could I please have your email or address to get in touch? Regards Hazel Lanphier. My email address is listed under my name.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on August 07, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
myemail   dorisdickson970'''gmail.com   the two  of them were inthe workhouse  for some time  they fosterd out a  few  times  then they  sent  to  57 ligoniel road  the oeoole were called  conveys  they had a very hard and unhappy time   ithink there mother died  giveing birth to my  granny   i igot my grannys birth record  then  ihit a brick wall  hope this helps  dorts

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on August 07, 2014, 05:44:36 PM
hi hazel  i am  on   facebook  it would be great to see  some photos  i have only one aunt   left   sadley  she  has allzemers   you grandad  was two years olders than my granny  hope to hear from you soon doris
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on August 08, 2014, 03:42:17 AM
hi hazel  i am  on   facebook  it would be great to see  some photos  i have only one aunt   left   sadley  she  has allzemers   you grandad  was two years olders than my granny  hope to hear from you soon doris

Hello again Doris! Struggled with facebook (never used it before) and think I've found you??? As I say in my facebook message I think I can see a family resemblance. I have heard that my Granda had had a hard childhood but no one, not even my mother, knew why. Perhaps there was some shame attached with their being orphans. According to my mum, Sarah, her mother, was married secretly to Hugh for some time, going home to her folks and wearing her wedding ring hidden under her clothes on a chain around her neck. And on their marriage details she put her age up to consenting age (21). My mum's last remaining sister is in Belfast. I haven't contacted her, but according to others she either doesn't know anything or isn't saying. I hope your Granny was able to give you more information. Anyway, I'll look forward to hearing from you again, Hazel     
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on August 08, 2014, 01:41:25 PM
you have in deed  i will try  and get  any  more  imformation  i  will  let you  know  ithink  it would  adreat book
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on August 10, 2014, 02:47:52 PM
Hazel - I am Doris's daughter Ellen  - I can scan and email the birth certificates etc for you, if you post your direct email address on the forum, I can email them directly to you and see if that helps the search, we have been trying to piece together their childhood for a time, and as you say info is patchy to put it together, mum granny susan didnt talk a lot either about their childhood although it seems they tried to stick together, it must have been a horendous time for them being pushed pillar to post in the hands of various charities and workhouses...it was no life at all, Im sure they would both be so proud to see their decendants doing so well and keeping in touch after all these years!  Best wishes Ellen
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on August 11, 2014, 12:47:13 AM
Hazel - I am Doris's daughter Ellen  - I can scan and email the birth certificates etc for you, if you post your direct email address on the forum, I can email them directly to you and see if that helps the search, we have been trying to piece together their childhood for a time, and as you say info is patchy to put it together, mum granny susan didnt talk a lot either about their childhood although it seems they tried to stick together, it must have been a horendous time for them being pushed pillar to post in the hands of various charities and workhouses...it was no life at all, Im sure they would both be so proud to see their decendants doing so well and keeping in touch after all these years!  Best wishes Ellen

Hello Doris and Ellen, nice to hear from you again. My email address is [email protected] (it's listed under my profile details). It would be great to have any information regarding the family history. All I have are the two Census references and a very nice man on the forum helped out by sending me Granda's and Granny's wedding details. I'm going to have another shot at your facebook page and send you the little I know. I didn't know your Granny, Susan, although I do remember the name Martin. I'll keep this short and move over to your facebook. Wish me luck!! Best regards, Hazel
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on August 12, 2014, 02:15:32 PM
Hi All

Sorry to repost but these message boards fill up very fast :)

Im doing a bit of Family Research, my Great Grandmother was Susannah Smith nee Todd she married William Smith they had Children William, James, Robert, Thomas ( my grandfather) and Mary Jane, i think there may have been another 2 children as per the 1911 Census they were from Wolfhill Avenue.Im also looking information on the Boyds, My great Grandmother was Sarah Fletcher Boyd who married Thomas Giffen in Canada, Sarahs Mother was called Martha Boyd Im trying to find out who Martha's husband is as i cant seem to find any records, also from Ligoniel - Lesley StreetMany thanks in advance   Jac
Title: Re: iremember your great granny my frined went her shoping every sarurday
Post by: dorisdickson970 on August 13, 2014, 06:51:31 PM
Hi All

Sorry to repost but these message boards fill up very fast :)

Im doing a bit of Family Research, my Great Grandmother was Susannah Smith nee Todd she married William Smith they had Children William, James, Robert, Thomas ( my grandfather) and Mary Jane, i think there may have been another 2 children as per the 1911 Census they were from Wolfhill Avenue.Im also looking information on the Boyds, My great Grandmother was Sarah Fletcher Boyd who married Thomas Giffen in Canada, Sarahs Mother was called Martha Boyd Im trying to find out who Martha's husband is as i cant seem to find any records, also from Ligoniel - Lesley StreetMany thanks in advance   Jac
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on August 13, 2014, 06:57:58 PM
I remeber your great granny my friend  went for her shoping  every saturday she was a lovely  woman  my friend was called flo robinson  may you have heard the name
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on August 13, 2014, 07:24:27 PM
Hi Doris

Thank you for your message , which of my great grandmothers do you remember? Susannah or Sarah ? Jac 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on August 14, 2014, 02:08:23 PM
Jacqui, My Grandfather was called Willam Todd and he and his wife Elizabeth ( Graham) lived in Lavens Drive with their family. I don't know for sure if there is any connection to your search, but I seem to remember them talking about a Suzanne who was a sister to my Granda.From what I was told the Todd family came from the Ballyclare area.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on August 14, 2014, 02:16:05 PM
i think it was sarah we allways called her mrs smith
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on August 14, 2014, 02:54:17 PM
Hi Doris,

It would have been Susanna as my GT Grandmother Sarah was Sarah Giffen  
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on August 14, 2014, 03:01:58 PM
Hi Udini,

I have not managed to get past Susannah at the minute :( all i know is She married William Smith in St Annes Cathedral in Belfast (as per an Ancestory.com record) and the census records (Below).

1911
SmithWilliam40MaleHead of FamilyChurch of IrelandSmithSusannah41FemaleWifeChurch of IrelandSmithWilliam17MaleSonChurch of IrelandSmithJames14MaleSonChurch of IrelandSmithRobert12MaleSonChurch of IrelandSmithThomas8MaleSonChurch of IrelandSmithMary Jane5FemaleDaughterChurch of Ireland
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1901 (I think this is them as all the date add up)

SmythSusan32FemaleHead of FamilyPresbyterianSmythRobert2MaleSonPresbyterianSmythWilliam6MaleSonPresbyterianSmythJames4MaleSonPresbyterian
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Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on August 14, 2014, 03:03:44 PM
Doris,

Do you remember anything about Susannah that you can tell me, as i have hit a brick wall :(
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 16, 2014, 10:07:38 PM
Hi. To the person who said Bessie Mcfarlane is their Mum. I remember Bessie very well and her Mum i think her name was Kathleen.Mervyn,David and Vivian Smilie remember them too.There was another Cousin called Agnes wickens. Sadly she died in Childbirth at a very young age. How is your Mum doing? Are you in Canada?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 16, 2014, 10:15:25 PM
Doris Dickson re Flo Robinson. Doris i sent you a message on Facebook maybe you didnt see it. I remember Flo Robinson lived at the turn of the road. I think her brother was called Davey. He wet about with my brother. A few years ago i met Billy Robinson in London, he was with Tommy Martin who lived in Ligoniel place. Billy told me Flo was living in Ripon. Which is a lovey wee spot.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: RSL on September 17, 2014, 01:30:13 AM
Hi Udini,
You mentioned Lavens Drive..Do you happen to know Susan Burgess who lived there with her Aunt
in the 1950/60's? I went to primary school with her (St.Mark's) and often think about my chums from
way back then. :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 17, 2014, 05:41:29 AM
The coburn sisters looked nothing like each other. Elizabeth went out with Alan McClintock for a while. Thankfully she seen  the light as he was a bully .The Mayfair was wonderful and  on a saturday night if daddy was on duty,mum and i would walk down for ice cream,the couple that owned were lovely. Our facourite sweets were San toy mixtures. If anyone knows where i could get them i would be grateful. Joey crawfords shop on ligoniel road was always popular, i can remember poor people buying two eggs and a quarter of butter.things mustve been hard. There was a family called Moore who lived up in the garden houses my brother went about with the son Raymond, his sister Anne had downs syndrome. Mary ellens chippy provided entertaiment as you never knew who would come in Lizzie Mclaughlin,Or stoker Palmer. Kathleen Hodgens was good value too. She always knew the latest gossip, but was a very kind women. The corner boys usually consisted of the Rice brothers, Danny Ardis,Davey Thompson, Tom Maginty,walter Thompson.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on September 17, 2014, 03:35:19 PM
Hi. To the person who said Bessie Mcfarlane is their Mum. I remember Bessie very well and her Mum i think her name was Kathleen.Mervyn,David and Vivian Smilie remember them too.There was another Cousin called Agnes wickens. Sadly she died in Childbirth at a very young age. How is your Mum doing? Are you in Canada?
Mervyn, Davey and Vivian are my cousins, sadly Davey and Vivian have passed on but their other siblings are alive and kicking in the Ligoniel/Ballysillan areas.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on September 17, 2014, 03:37:15 PM
Hi Udini,
You mentioned Lavens Drive..Do you happen to know Susan Burgess who lived there with her Aunt
in the 1950/60's? I went to primary school with her (St.Mark's) and often think about my chums from
way back then. :)
Sorry , no I don't remember the name. I also went to St. Marks from 1952? and then on to Everton.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on September 17, 2014, 03:41:20 PM
The coburn sisters looked nothing like each other. Elizabeth went out with Alan McClintock for a while. Thankfully she seen  the light as he was a bully .The Mayfair was wonderful and  on a saturday night if daddy was on duty,mum and i would walk down for ice cream,the couple that owned were lovely. Our facourite sweets were San toy mixtures. If anyone knows where i could get them i would be grateful. Joey crawfords shop on ligoniel road was always popular, i can remember poor people buying two eggs and a quarter of butter.things mustve been hard. There was a family called Moore who lived up in the garden houses my brother went about with the son Raymond, his sister Anne had downs syndrome. Mary ellens chippy provided entertaiment as you never knew who would come in Lizzie Mclaughlin,Or stoker Palmer. Kathleen Hodgens was good value too. She always knew the latest gossip, but was a very kind women. The corner boys usually consisted of the Rice brothers, Danny Ardis,Davey Thompson, Tom Maginty,walter Thompson.
I think there was an Elizabeth Coburn at St. Marks when I went there . That would have been 1952? to 1960?. A bunch of us used to "hang" around the turn of the road , but the names you mention are not familar to me.Maybe that was before my time.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 17, 2014, 06:34:41 PM
Hi to Bessie Mcfarlanes daughter. I was shocked and sad to hear vivian Smilie is gone, I had heard about Davey. Vivian was roughly the same age as me.   Your Mum would remember the people ive mentioned,  best wishes.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on September 17, 2014, 06:36:45 PM
The coburn sisters looked nothing like each other. Elizabeth went out with Alan McClintock for a while. Thankfully she seen  the light as he was a bully .The Mayfair was wonderful and  on a saturday night if daddy was on duty,mum and i would walk down for ice cream,the couple that owned were lovely. Our facourite sweets were San toy mixtures. If anyone knows where i could get them i would be grateful. Joey crawfords shop on ligoniel road was always popular, i can remember poor people buying two eggs and a quarter of butter.things mustve been hard. There was a family called Moore who lived up in the garden houses my brother went about with the son Raymond, his sister Anne had downs syndrome. Mary ellens chippy provided entertaiment as you never knew who would come in Lizzie Mclaughlin,Or stoker Palmer. Kathleen Hodgens was good value too. She always knew the latest gossip, but was a very kind women. The corner boys usually consisted of the Rice brothers, Danny Ardis,Davey Thompson, Tom Maginty,walter Thompson.
 

those names ring a bell ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,anyone remember joker Toland ?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 17, 2014, 07:06:21 PM
Oh yes I remember Joker Toland. He was another one who was entertaining. He had loads of Children. I remember one daughter Ann. She was nice.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 17, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
Oh yes I remember Joker Toland. He was another one who was entertaining. He had loads of Children. I remember one daughter Ann. She was nice.
Iremenber  joker  well  he was great  loved his christmas  shop  and the methdy bassire  at christmas  mary green sweet shop  the boys playing handball
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 17, 2014, 07:41:28 PM
Oh yes I remember Joker Toland. He was another one who was entertaining. He had loads of Children. I remember one daughter Ann. She was nice.
you forgot  walter flankery  alan dickson  at the coner  what about  the footboll in the playground  in the summer  you allways knew were the boys are
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on September 17, 2014, 10:22:12 PM
Oh yes I remember Joker Toland. He was another one who was entertaining. He had loads of Children. I remember one daughter Ann. She was nice.


JOKE WAS MY UNCLE  MY MOTHERS BROTHER ,,,,,,I LOST COUNT OF HOW MANY CHILDREN HE HAD  I THINK IT WAS MORE THAN 10 ,ALL OF JOKERS SISTER EXCEPT MY MOTHER ALL MOVED AND LIVED IN ENGLAND  ,ALL HAVE PASSED AWAY , AS DID HIS BROTHER BILL MANY YRS AGO ,,JOKER USED TO TAKE ME WHEN I WAS A KID FOR A RIDE IN THE JAUNTING CAR OUT TO DUNDROD  WHEN RACES WERE ON ,ONLY HAPPY MEMORIES OF HIM AND KNOW HE WAS ALWAYS GOOD FOR A LAUGH ,,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 17, 2014, 11:40:16 PM
Hi Doffer+Doris, Joker was always good fun and i think he had more than 10 children. Another daughter was called Jean. Mary Greens shop can still remember the smell of pipe tobacco. Was Alan Dickson the one with the sore back Doris? Remember Jim, David and Doreen Dickson was there a Drew as well? I remember Alan Dicksons wife Ellie she was a nice woman. Does anyone know Doris Hodgins she lived in the garden houses and two doors up lived Irene Hamilton. The games of hand ball up against the gable wall were  brilliant
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: michelle68 on September 18, 2014, 10:34:44 AM
Hi my name is Michelle Jordan

i am the daughter of Anne Jordan (nee Penny) My grandmother was Josie Penny (nee magouran) and wife of John Penny.  I believe that Annie Noble was my grandmothers aunt and my great great aunt annie who i met many times before she died as i spent a lot of time with my grandmother in Legoneil. I have been trying to fill in one gap in that side of my family tree and that is my grandmothers father. Her mother was Mary CatherineMagouran who never married and my grandmother died without telling us who her father was. My mother would dearly love to know this before she dies. I know it was all a very long time ago and no one may know his identity but if there is anyone out there who can help it would of great to her from them. Or if anyone knew my grandmother and her family any details at all would be warmly appreciated.

Michelle68   
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 18, 2014, 11:43:51 AM
Hi Michelle68. May I suggest you contact the Wolfhill centre at,148 Ligoniel Road,Belfast.Telephone 02890391225. Ask to speak to Tommy Mackissey(pronounced Maxi). Tommy not only lived in the same street as your family, He is als an authority on the histories of ligoniel people. Withe every good wish in your search. Rose anna
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: michelle68 on September 18, 2014, 01:41:34 PM
Hi

i tried ringing the number you suggested and got through to the center but when i asked for Tommy Maxi they said there was no one there of that name. Is there any other avenue you can think of trying or anyone from ligoneil that I could contact who may be able to answer my questions . Any assistance you can afford me would be very much appreciated.

michelle68
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 18, 2014, 06:47:20 PM
Hi my name is Michelle Jordan

i am the daughter of Anne Jordan (nee Penny) My grandmother was Josie Penny (nee magouran) and wife of John Penny.  I believe that Annie Noble was my grandmothers aunt and my great great aunt annie who i met many times before she died as i spent a lot of time with my grandmother in Legoneil. I have been trying to fill in one gap in that side of my family tree and that is my grandmothers father. Her mother was Mary CatherineMagouran who never married and my grandmother died without telling us who her father was. My mother would dearly love to know this before she dies. I know it was all a very long time ago and no one may know his identity but if there is anyone out there who can help it would of great to her from them. Or if anyone knew my grandmother and her family any details at all would be warmly appreciated.

Michelle68   

hi  i married david dickson  you might know me my name was doris mc keen  doris hogons is doing fine i was talking to her last week  she was my sister chum



JOKE WAS MY UNCLE  MY MOTHERS BROTHER ,,,,,,I LOST COUNT OF HOW MANY CHILDREN HE HAD  I THINK IT WAS MORE THAN 10 ,ALL OF JOKERS SISTER EXCEPT MY MOTHER ALL MOVED AND LIVED IN ENGLAND  ,ALL HAVE PASSED AWAY , AS DID HIS BROTHER BILL MANY YRS AGO ,,JOKER USED TO TAKE ME WHEN I WAS A KID FOR A RIDE IN THE JAUNTING CAR OUT TO DUNDROD  WHEN RACES WERE ON ,ONLY HAPPY MEMORIES OF HIM AND KNOW HE WAS ALWAYS GOOD FOR A LAUGH ,,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 18, 2014, 08:30:06 PM
he was kind so was his wife he would do anyone a good turn
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 18, 2014, 08:38:18 PM
Hi Michelle68. That is really odd. I spoke to tommy Mackissey a few months ago and i was able to contact him through the wolfhill centre. Will see tomorrow and let you know. Roseanna
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 18, 2014, 08:45:21 PM
Hi Doris Dickson. My sister Carol went about with your sister sometimes and Doris Hodgins too. I really liked  Kathleen Hodgins. She was always kind to me. Is your sister still around? Our Carol is 73. Do you remember my brother Terry? That was a surprise to hear you had married David Dickson. Is he still around? Flo Robinson it must be 40 years since i saw her. My brother liked her. So how are you doing yourself Doris? Rose anna
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DJ on September 18, 2014, 11:50:03 PM
What a question to ask, " is your husband still around", you could be a little more subtle.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 19, 2014, 05:07:54 AM
Cannot see what your gripe is DJ. If you look at the whole of my comment, instead of paraphrasing. I asked if her sister was still around as well. Taking offence were none is meant.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: moorsy on September 19, 2014, 05:32:15 AM
Cannot see what your gripe is DJ. If you look at the whole of my comment, instead of paraphrasing. I asked if her sister was still around as well. Taking offence were none is meant.

atta girl, !!  .were are you posting from R.A.?   Looks like we are the only to on here

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 19, 2014, 06:35:13 AM
Hi Moorsy.Im in England. Where are you?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 19, 2014, 06:44:03 AM
May I suggest to all the people waxing lyrical about Ligoniel.post their real names.After all the memories being posted are of a place that no longer exists as it was known,Furthermore many of the people being remembered are no longer with us. All the secrecy reminds me of the darker side of Ligoniel where character assasination was an everyday sport.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: moorsy on September 19, 2014, 02:09:06 PM
Hi Moorsy.Im in England. Where are you?

On the Canadian Prairies,  Thought you might have been out my way as per time we were posting.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 19, 2014, 04:23:08 PM
What a question to ask, " is your husband still around", you could be a little more subtle.
ARE  YOU ROSEMARY  PATTON  BY ANY CHANCE  DAVEY IS STILL HERE  SO IS MY SISTER  GREAT TO HERE FROM YOU DORI
Hi Michelle68. That is really odd. I spoke to tommy Mackissey a few months ago and i was able to contact him through the wolfhill centre. Will see tomorrow and let you know. Roseanna
S
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 19, 2014, 08:15:46 PM
rose anna ur sister carol worked in ewarts mountain mill with my mum....molly Richmond I would love to know if carol remembers her. hugh elder was their boss.  Barbara speers and Eleanor kennedy worked in same room carol might remember them too although it is a very long time ago. I live at the turn of the road too.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 19, 2014, 08:32:33 PM
michelle 68 I remember your gr-mother penny, I was friends with her daughter-in-law Kathleen who was wed to a john penny,john was murdered going to work in the troubles here.  Kathleen and john had a daughter I think her name was Geraldine she was born same time as my oldest son [1964],  I know Kathleen died some years after john. I will have a look at old photos,i think I have one of Geraldine when she was very young.  that's all I can tell you of the family,i see you are looking for noble family if you go way back on this post you might find some info as I know I saw posts on about members of noble family I will look back too see if anything turns up for you...I know it was on posts about ligoniel.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: may mccomiskey on September 19, 2014, 08:37:19 PM
michelle68 if you go back to page 15 on this site you will find info on noble family     good luck.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 19, 2014, 11:12:38 PM
To May mcComisky. Hi May. Yes my sister Carol certainly did work with your Mum Molly and what a lovely woman she was. Carol remembers your Mum Eleanor Kennedy, Barbara spiers and of course yourself. Hugh Elder was related to Sarah Robinson in our street so i seen him passing as a child. Carol lives in the Woodvale and her health is not so good these days. She has 8 children and ive lost count of the grandchildren and great grand children. I don't know if you remember my oldest sister Ada? She died a long time ago at a young age. My brother Terry died just a few years after Ada at a young age. So there is just Carol and I left. May would you be able to go and see Carol? It would be wonderful if you could. With very best wishes Roseanna. 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on September 19, 2014, 11:22:00 PM
To Doris Dickson. Hi Doris, Yes I wondered when you would realise as i was giving you hints.Really glad to hear Davey and your sister are still around, its just so many are gone. My oldest Sister has been gone since 1988 leaving 5 children and my brother Terry since 1993. Carol is not so well but she keeps her spirits up. How is your wee friend Flo Robinson? All the best Roseanna
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: DOFFER on September 20, 2014, 02:37:28 PM
May I suggest to all the people waxing lyrical about Lionel.post their real names.After all the memories being posted are of a place that no longer exists as it was known,Furthermore many of the people being remembered are no longer with us. All the secrecy reminds me of the darker side of Lionel where character assassination was an everyday sport.


i was not aware that anyone posting re Ligoniel or other subjects  were doing so in secrecy ie not in full name ,nor was i aware that because the people mentioned in  threads even if passed away or no longer exist cant be spoken off ,i myself love waxing lyrical or  as i call it praising my childhood in ligoniel  for me and only speaking for myself it was a wonderful place to be raised ,but that was in 40s 50s ,when all of ligoniel  of whatever  denomination  all got along very well ,,,,,,,,,,,,i guess  i never came across the dark side ,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jawbox on September 20, 2014, 06:07:02 PM
Hi Doffer+Doris, Joker was always good fun and i think he had more than 10 children. Another daughter was called Jean. Mary Greens shop can still remember the smell of pipe tobacco. Was Alan Dickson the one with the sore back Doris? Remember Jim, David and Doreen Dickson was there a Drew as well? I remember Alan Dicksons wife Ellie she was a nice woman. Does anyone know Doris Hodgins she lived in the garden houses and two doors up lived Irene Hamilton. The games of hand ball up against the gable wall were  brilliant
[/quotI knew Doris well. I knocked around with her brother Wesley (RIP).Many times him & myself tramped up the White Avenue and on into the fields around Crowe glen]
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: moorsy on September 20, 2014, 10:38:37 PM
To Doris Dickson. Hi Doris, Yes I wondered when you would realise as i was giving you hints.Really glad to hear Davey and your sister are still around, its just so many are gone. My oldest Sister has been gone since 1988 leaving 5 children and my brother Terry since 1993. Carol is not so well but she keeps her spirits up. How is your wee friend Flo Robinson? All the best Roseanna
[/quote

Sorry I cant message you yet R.A. i think you have to post 20 times or something before you can recieve messages  Maybe someone can verify that.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jawbox on September 21, 2014, 10:04:20 AM
Hi Moorsy.Im in England. Where are you?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 21, 2014, 12:20:40 PM
we were blessed  being brought  in ligoniel  the only excitedment  if there was a fight on asaturday nigh
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 21, 2014, 05:20:47 PM
Hi Doffer+Doris, Joker was always good fun and i think he had more than 10 children. Another daughter was called Jean. Mary Greens shop can still remember the smell of pipe tobacco. Was Alan Dickson the one with the sore back Doris? Remember Jim, David and Doreen Dickson was there a Drew as well? I remember Alan Dicksons wife Ellie she was a nice woman. Does anyone know Doris Hodgins she lived in the garden houses and two doors up lived Irene Hamilton. The games of hand ball up against the gable wall were  brilliant
[/quotI knew Doris well. I knocked around with her brother Wesley (RIP).Many times him & myself tramped up the White Avenue and on into the fields around Crowe glen]
what you said  is so ture
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: linedancer on September 21, 2014, 08:13:26 PM
what you said  is so ture

Hi I am not from Ligoniel but my friend lived there Agnes McKeen she had a brother Billy I noticed you used to be called McKeen hopefully you know them as I have been in Canada from 75 thanks
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 22, 2014, 11:53:21 AM
yes agnes is my  sister  both her and billy are fine 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: linedancer on September 22, 2014, 07:05:19 PM
yes agnes is my  sister  both her and billy are fine
Tell them Irene Clarke say Hi from Canada are they on the Internet and if she has any photos of us in Gallahers lol I have some, so glad I found her as I have been trying Thank you sooooo much Irene
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 23, 2014, 06:51:43 PM
Tell them Irene Clarke say Hi from Canada are they on the Internet and if she has any photos of us in Gallahers lol I have some, so glad I found her as I have been trying Thank you sooooo much Irene
i   i will  tell her  she will be so happy to here   from  you  shels not very well at the moment 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: linedancer on September 24, 2014, 03:35:29 AM
i   i will  tell her  she will be so happy to here   from  you  shels not very well at the moment
Hi Love did you mean she is not to well ?  if so I hope she will get well soon, is she on the internet?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 24, 2014, 02:12:30 PM
her husband is on facebook his name is morris  montgumary 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: linedancer on September 24, 2014, 04:21:42 PM
her husband is on facebook his name is morris  montgumary
Thanks love, have you told her yet we have been chatting? tell him to look for Irene Clarke Hogg on Face book and I will check and see if I can find him. Where are they living now?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 24, 2014, 04:34:53 PM
yes i phoned her she lives in clengoemley now  she has 2 grand sons 1 grandoughter  2great grandoughters 1 grandsons
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: linedancer on September 24, 2014, 05:45:27 PM
yes i phoned her she lives in clengoemley now  she has 2 grand sons 1 grandoughter  2great grandoughters 1 grandsons
Hi love I found her hubby on face book and left a message, she is catching up on me lol I have 2 grand daughters 2 grand sons the oldest is 30 I have 1 great grand son and 6 great gran daughters the oldest is 10 I want to thank you soooo much Irene
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: cathy bell on September 27, 2014, 01:52:31 AM
Hi Doris,
Did your Granny Susie Martin live on the old Ligoniel Place, if so my Granny ( Cate Donaghy ) and her were good friends. We lived at 53 Ligoniel Pl, opposite Susie Martins house. I do not remember you but I remember Billy McKeen. we played together when we were really young, was your Mums name Nellie,

Bell Donaghy
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 27, 2014, 07:19:18 PM
yes she was  iwas just my grandchildern  about   my granny and yours  they were great  i  can remeber  the house  your granny lived in it wasing faceing  my grannys   someone  belonging to you  went to ameica  i think her name was ISABELL NOT very sure  nice to hear from you doris
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 27, 2014, 07:47:04 PM
do you remember  the mc cleans  and mary leach  and richies brue   some lovely times doris
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: cathy bell on September 28, 2014, 12:18:10 AM
Doris,
I have fond memories of your Granny Susie, when my granny would visit yours, if she stayed too long our cat would go looking for her and jump up on your Grannys window sill and look through the window,
if she was there the cat would start pawing at the window. I remember Susie taking me and your Billy for
walks around the Mare. yes I remember every one who lived on Ligoniel Pl.
My mother and I came to America in 1957, my mother Alice Donaghy died in 1992 and we still miss her, Iam 74 and retired, we live in Florida. I was in Ligoniel in 2009 for 2 weeks, I stayed with Phyllis McIlwaine, my daughter was with me and we had a great time, walked all over ligoniel. Even though the
village has been rebuilt I was still able to recognize a lot. My memorys were bitter sweet as Iam the only
one left in our Ligoniel family. Great hearing from you, keep in touch.
Bell
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on September 28, 2014, 12:01:20 PM
i will i am on   facebook there is some phots of ligoniel  i  can remember  you going away  so glad you got in touch  my granny was so fond of your whole family  she often talked of them  told some stories about her and your grannie  l can still here her laughting the two of them was a force to recton with doris
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Vita Brevis on October 01, 2014, 06:23:39 PM
Hi All

Sorry to repost but these message boards fill up very fast :)

Im doing a bit of Family Research, my Great Grandmother was Susannah Smith nee Todd she married William Smith they had Children William, James, Robert, Thomas ( my grandfather) and Mary Jane, i think there may have been another 2 children as per the 1911 Census they were from Wolfhill Avenue.Im also looking information on the Boyds, My great Grandmother was Sarah Fletcher Boyd who married Thomas Giffen in Canada, Sarahs Mother was called Martha Boyd Im trying to find out who Martha's husband is as i cant seem to find any records, also from Ligoniel - Lesley StreetMany thanks in advance   Jac

Jac, I have sent you a PM
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 02, 2014, 09:37:25 PM
i will i am on   facebook there is some phots of ligoniel  i  can remember  you going away  so glad you got in touch  my granny was so fond of your whole family  she often talked of them  told some stories about her and your grannie  l can still here her laughting the two of them was a force to recton with doris
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 08, 2014, 07:18:24 AM
Just wondering if anyone remembers the McGawley family from Wolfhill Lane. Two of the Children were May and Henry.They went to Australia in the 1960s.Also a girl called Pamela white who lived in legnavea/ lever street.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 10, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
yes  may has passed away  her sister pat  was home for aholiday  in the summer
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 11, 2014, 10:32:58 AM
Hi Doris Thank you. Sad May is gone. I do not remember Pat. Did they do well in Australia Doris? Do you remember the family who lived next door to the Wylies in Lever street. Ive been trying to renember their name. Xx
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on October 11, 2014, 04:48:58 PM
Just wondering if anyone knows of or the whereabouts of some old friends from the turn of the road.
Errol Hall, Harry Granville, Roy Forbes, Billy Larkin, Neil Martin,Jimmy Wilson, Roy Bonar.
I left the area in 1973 and then came to Canada in 1977.
Errol lived in Oakley Street, Harry Granville down Harmony, Roy Forbes Primrose Street, Billy Larkin in the street running across the top of Lavens Drive. Neil Martin, Lavens Drive, Jimmy Wilson in the street running up to Ligoniel Park from Crumlin Road. Roy Bonar in Primrose Street.
Just remembered Jackie Templeton in Leroy Street and Davy Hamil in Glenbank Place.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 11, 2014, 05:39:28 PM
sorry roy bonner and harry have passed away  i will try and find out about   the oters
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 11, 2014, 09:50:16 PM
Udini. I know most of those names. Its sad to hear Harry Granville and Roy Bonar have passed on they were a bit older than me but my brother knew them well.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: stephen. on October 11, 2014, 10:25:36 PM
I've just glanced over the last 21 pages ,reading various posts to my wife, certainly inspired a few memories between us,. Perhaps it reminds us all to share our knowledge for future generations. Memories are precious.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 12, 2014, 03:35:10 AM
Did anyone on here attend Wolfhill school, where the Headmaster was Jim Anderson and his son and daughter were teachers there too..There was also Miss Houston and Miss Hamilton who was the daughter of Hamilton the Chemist at the turn of the Road. Miss Houston had a bad leg which sometimes pained her and she would really be bad tempered.Miss houston mustve been at the school a long time as she taught my sister who is 12 yrs older than me
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jawbox on October 12, 2014, 12:40:30 PM
I rem oul Jimmy the headmaster with the swishy bamboo cane and Mr Smith,Mr Larmour,Miss Edgar,Mrs Houston the American teacher Miss Penelope. The day she arrived she had a small present for everyone in the class.I also rem the ode to the school written by Mr Larmour. First line was, "There's a school up in Ligoniel resting on the mountainside " Rem it ?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on October 12, 2014, 01:09:13 PM
Hi Doris Thank you. Sad May is gone. I do not remember Pat. Did they do well in Australia Doris? Do you remember the family who lived next door to the Wylies in Lever street. Ive been trying to renember their name. Xx
Yeah that was my family ;)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 12, 2014, 01:18:44 PM
Whose family? Your quote came at the end of my comment so do no know your name.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 12, 2014, 01:30:39 PM
Hi Jawbox. Yes i do. But i think you were there before me as i do not remember any American or a few of the others. I remember Mr Anderson took ill with Ulcers and when he came back he ate nothing but apples. He never caned me but he used to make me sing the skye boat song with a boy called Jack stewart from the street next to Castles shop. Wonder where he is now. Im sure mr Anderson is  gone but his son and daughter may well still be around. Remember the Chorus. Wolfhill the famous Wolfhill the Glorious we will remember your walls with pride and for all those who come after us... Will have to ask my sister about the rest. It didnt matter that the books were in tatters or the toilets were stinking we had a school song lol. Delusions of grandeaur!
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 12, 2014, 01:33:01 PM
Well Ballysillan Boy you wouldnt tell me your name so i asked Doris.lol
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on October 13, 2014, 06:39:29 AM
Well Ballysillan Boy you wouldnt tell me your name so i asked Doris.lol
i sent you a pm did you not get it?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 13, 2014, 12:49:28 PM
Hi ballysillan boy . No didnt get it. Do you still live in Ulster?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 13, 2014, 06:01:28 PM
i went to wolfhill  jimmy anderson was the headmaster  mrs tompson  taught  babies  miss cambell  mr morrison   auther anderson   miss houeson  and miss hamailton taught music 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on October 13, 2014, 06:18:20 PM
Hi ballysillan boy . No didnt get it. Do you still live in Ulster?
Sent another let me know if you got it
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 13, 2014, 10:34:52 PM
Thats right Doris. I wonder if Arthur Anderson is still alive
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 14, 2014, 07:12:29 AM
Hi Udini. Glad you are in touch with thewass. He seems a nice man but Poorly which is a shame. It seems a long time since we were children running about Ligoniel. The place as we knew it has gone along with our Childhood
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on October 14, 2014, 04:25:39 PM
Hi Udini. Glad you are in touch with thewass. He seems a nice man but Poorly which is a shame. It seems a long time since we were children running about Ligoniel. The place as we knew it has gone along with our Childhood
Living down Harmony and then Glenbank Place, I didn't get up much to Ligoniel except when I went to see my cousins, Smylies in Mountainview Street? across from bandhut or the McCloys who lived up the hill past where the buses turned. The McCloys all went to Australia, Mother, Father, 3 sons and a daughter. All the "children" are still alive and still in Australia.Anytime I was up there we would go to the dams or rivers and just spend time in the country. Of course ,like everyone else, I went to Isaacs for my haircut!
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 14, 2014, 06:58:27 PM
Yeah that was my family ;)
[/quote  did you play rallyo and hunting   in ligoniel  i liked  catchy kiss  haha  or true  dare kiss love or comand
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 14, 2014, 07:23:44 PM
Hi Udini Remember Harmony hill very well. Loved going down to the market gardens down there when it was our turn to provide the flowers for the Church. Loved walking down to the bridge. The bus stop was right outside the Mayfair so mum and i used to have an icecream lovely wee shop.Oh yes  if you didnt have your haircut by isac Henderson you were  nobody. His brother Billy was the local window cleaner and also a wonderful singer. It was sad to hear of the passing of Harry Granville and Roy Bonar. Also David and Vivian Smilie all remembered from childhood
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 14, 2014, 08:05:54 PM
does any one remember the long hall
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: gordy on October 14, 2014, 09:22:29 PM
does any one remember the long hall
What about the dinner hut?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on October 14, 2014, 09:51:31 PM
does any one remember the long hall
The football field facing the bus terminus full of cows clap ::)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 14, 2014, 10:27:46 PM
Where was the long hall?anyone remember the wee mission hall just up the hill past the bus terminious
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: gordy on October 15, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
What about the dinner hut?
Remember the band hut, (which was a black nissan hut). Mr Flagherty showed old Walt Disney movies there at times 1950/52.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on October 15, 2014, 12:44:13 PM

Hi All

I wonder if anyone can help me shed some light on the Luneys?

We have a bible that was given to my Great Grandmother Sarah Fletcher boyd  when she married Thomas Giffen in Canada, and she has inserted alot of Births, deaths, and marriages within the family,

In the bible i have came across the death of Rose Luney 27th  October 1936 and also a Catherine Luney 23rd May 1954

Looking at the NI Census 1901 in river St is shows Rose who married John Luney and they had Children John - (who married Matilda Davidson in 1910) , James William (in the 1911 census it shows him as James william thompson boyd), and Catherine Luney ( who married George Luney their  children were Agnes Mcbride luney and John luney).
i cant seem to find a marriage for John and rose to find out what Roses maiden name is (i'm hoping it will be Boyd) :(
Can anyone help :)

Many thanks Jac

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 15, 2014, 03:05:44 PM
god i am getting old i rembemer   them  all if  the mill ave  could  talk 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 15, 2014, 06:35:24 PM
Hi Jaquismith87. There is a man on here called Thewass. He is a grandson of the family you are looking for. Send him a pm and im sure he will be glad to help you.all the best.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 16, 2014, 06:30:42 AM
Does anyone remember the time when the rumour went round Ligoniel that there was a 7ft man roaming round the Long Hall.He was the scourge of courting couples. It went on for quite a while!! Couple of points for anyone who remembers who the so called 7ft man turned out to be!
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on October 16, 2014, 07:40:38 PM
Does anyone remember the time when the rumour went round Ligoniel that there was a 7ft man roaming round the Long Hall.He was the scourge of courting couples. It went on for quite a while!! Couple of points for anyone who remembers who the so called 7ft man turned out to be!
7ft would rule out squeak kyle he was only half that size :)
Ligoniel was always full of ghostly storys growing up we kept hearing about the path up to boddles dam must have been haunted by every ghost in BELFAST :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 16, 2014, 10:22:15 PM
Thats true Ballysillan old boy. But it was hilarious. One guy was so  scared he run away and left the girl to struggle on in the dark lol
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: thewass on October 17, 2014, 01:41:59 AM
I did not!!
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: thewass on October 17, 2014, 01:43:41 AM
Yes,I remember it well,the story of the 7 foot man,,the long hall was some place!!do you remember the old house up curtins avenue,it was supposed to be haunted too
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 17, 2014, 04:20:58 AM
Oh yes mind you it was a scary place.mind you the people that lived there were ok. Oh thats a shame thewass, i was just going to name you. Lol
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on October 17, 2014, 06:32:23 AM
I did not!!
Man up and admit it  :D
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 17, 2014, 08:55:32 AM
Thats right Ballysillan old boy, thewass should"fess up". By the way you said it wasnt Kyle. Well if you seen who it was you would laugh as he wasnt much taller. Dear goodness the girl who was "abandoned"by her boyfriend when the 7 ft man appeared did some screaming she couldve got a job at it. Will never forget the sight of her sprawkling down the Avenue in the high heels and the mascara everywhere. Its odd but i never seen her in ligoniel after that. Something mustve scared her. Lol
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 17, 2014, 09:23:02 AM
Does anyone remember McGoldricks Shop and its unique selling point (or unselling)!! Will anyone admit that they bought candyball apples from there?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 17, 2014, 11:16:19 AM
What about the dinner hut?
betty keating lauance  brown  were the couple in the long hall   i was told it wae mercer holiday  and someone on his shoudlers  we were all brought up  with all the  goast stories   istilltell them to my grandchildern  i am still superstisous 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 17, 2014, 02:14:56 PM
Very well done Doris. It was Alfie Baird and Mercer halliday. Now can you answer the one about McGoldricks shop and its Unique selling point? Best wishes.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on October 17, 2014, 08:32:49 PM
Very well done Doris. It was Alfie Baird and Mercer halliday. Now can you answer the one about McGoldricks shop and its Unique selling point? Best wishes.
As someone who had the misfortune to go into that shop, lets put it this way the modern day rules laid down by enviromental health would have had an encylopedia full with the state of that shop :D
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 17, 2014, 09:02:03 PM
Hi Ballysillan old boy. Yes but you havent mentioned the very Unique selling point!! Come on now be honest did you slip in and buy those "yummy"candyball apples "freshly" made cooling on a lovely tray!
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on October 17, 2014, 11:00:27 PM
Hi Ballysillan old boy. Yes but you havent mentioned the very Unique selling point!! Come on now be honest did you slip in and buy those "yummy"candyball apples "freshly" made cooling on a lovely tray!
As i,m still alive i think you have the answer i wonder if the stuff running down the nose help to flavour things ;)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 18, 2014, 01:43:06 AM
Thats what made them so nice!!
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 18, 2014, 01:31:55 PM
now we know  what that was i  used to buy   crab apples  in the shop 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 18, 2014, 03:55:13 PM
Oh Doris you went into mcGoldricks Oooo.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 18, 2014, 10:13:27 PM
One patron of McGoldricks was the ever fragrant Mary Lynch. Complete with pinny and shawl. Does anyone remember her?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on October 19, 2014, 12:56:27 AM
On reflection it may have been Leach
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 19, 2014, 05:23:59 PM
how  did so many live  in the shop  there must have beenat least  10
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: thewass on October 19, 2014, 05:49:06 PM
mary leech,news of the world(lol)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 19, 2014, 07:14:48 PM
there  are no people  like mary any more i was  fond of her  she could have told you every  thing
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 20, 2014, 06:25:11 PM
there  are no people  like mary any more i was  fond of her  she could have told you every  thing
  i am  just sitting with davey  we  were laughing  we were remembering the brays were  we went  when we were cournting 
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Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 20, 2014, 07:43:06 PM
i was wondering  would any one know  anything about my dad  iknowhe died  in 1952  he served in the ulster rifiels inthe war  his name was bobby mckeen  it would lovely to hear from  anyone who knew him
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Post by: ballysillan old boy on October 20, 2014, 08:41:42 PM
mary leech,news of the world(lol)
Remember calling her that one day she wasn,t amused and came round to our house :D
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Post by: Rose anna on October 20, 2014, 09:21:50 PM
Hi Doris. Which brays did you do your courting ?. Its lovely you are still together and can share the wee memories.  May i ask Doris how old you were when your daddy died?.  Best wishes to you and Davey. Xx
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Post by: Rose anna on October 21, 2014, 08:19:29 AM
Ballysillan old boy.wouldve loved to hear that conversation. Did she really come round to your house? Here what did your mum say? Mary leach had the cheek of the nation.
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Post by: dorisdickson970 on October 21, 2014, 05:36:20 PM
i  was  4 in April  he  died  in june
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Post by: Rose anna on October 21, 2014, 07:59:48 PM
Thats shocking Doris. I really do hope someone on here remembers him. Xx
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Post by: ballysillan old boy on October 21, 2014, 10:01:08 PM
Ballysillan old boy.wouldve loved to hear that conversation. Did she really come round to your house? Here what did your mum say? Mary leach had the cheek of the nation.
My old granny burst out laughing i told leach that was her nickname she had a daughter i think her married name was marie mckee she came with her :D
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Post by: Rose anna on October 22, 2014, 06:18:12 AM
Quite a lot has been written about Stoker Palmer on this page. However does anyone remember, if he had a wife and Children?
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Post by: ballysillan old boy on October 22, 2014, 07:42:13 PM
Quite a lot has been written about Stoker Palmer on this page. However does anyone remember, if he had a wife and Children?
I don,t think geordie was married always remember him being very well dressed even when he was drunk :D
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Post by: Rose anna on October 22, 2014, 09:24:51 PM
Thats true. His shirts were always nice and white. The 12th parade in Belfast was never quite the same without him leading it. Although He lived just round the corner from us,As kids we didnt know if he was married or not. My dad had to reluctantly lift George many times but he said the next morning George would akways apologise. Its a shame the drink took over.
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Post by: Elwood on December 05, 2014, 05:49:46 AM
Just wondering if anyone remembers the McGawley family from Wolfhill Lane. Two of the Children were May and Henry.They went to Australia in the 1960s../quote]

Hi Rose anna. Yes I remember the McGawley's. The family caught up with our family here in Melbourne in the mid-60s. Paddy McGawley was an old friend of my father's. We lost touch and I don't know what happened to them all except young David McGawley who came to a very sad end.
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Post by: Rose anna on December 05, 2014, 09:39:11 PM
Hi Elwood.Thank you for replying. Ive often wondered how the McGawleys got on. Im sure they found Australia to be vastly different from wolfhill Lane. Think maybe Henry would be around my age. What happened to David  if you don't mind me asking? Best wishes Rose anna
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Post by: thewass on December 09, 2014, 12:47:24 AM
Hi Rosemary,tried to send you a pm wouldn't go through
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Morton McDonald on December 13, 2014, 07:18:36 AM
Ligoniel at the end of the tram lines remember having to walk up that mountain. .when you got off the tram  and started up the hill there was an old lady who used to sit outside and smoked an old white clay pipe.after a short walk up the hill there was a wee bridge and there was small brook trout in it then you came to the loney that took you up to the Horseshoe Road....after what seemed like a long hike we came to Wolf hill Road and my uncle Robert Templeton lived in #4 at the entrance to Wolfhill there was a wee stone fence with a wee Coleen and I used to call her holy socks why I don't know then across the road from the house in Fergies field there was a steel tube stuck in the ground and the sweetest water ever came out of it had to carry 6 buckets a day probably only one bucket made it home I any one interested will post some old pictures. .Fergie used to have the farm further down the road from our house
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Post by: DOFFER on December 13, 2014, 03:45:19 PM
Ligoniel at the end of the tram lines remember having to walk up that mountain. .when you got off the tram  and started up the hill there was an old lady who used to sit outside and smoked an old white clay pipe.after a short walk up the hill there was a wee bridge and there was small brook trout in it then you came to the loney that took you up to the Horseshoe Road....after what seemed like a long hike we came to Wolf hill Road and my uncle Robert Templeton lived in #4 at the entrance to Wolfhill there was a wee stone fence with a wee Coleen and I used to call her holy socks why I don't know then across the road from the house in Fergies field there was a steel tube stuck in the ground and the sweetest water ever came out of it had to carry 6 buckets a day probably only one bucket made it home I any one interested will post some old pictures. .Fergie used to have the farm further down the road from our house


yes morton  i would love to see photos of liginiel ,i was born there 1937 ,i too have wonderful memories of walking that road ,, :) and carrying a bucket from the stream tube ,my grannie swore by it being good for you ,
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Post by: Morton McDonald on December 13, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Just reading through some old posts and came across a name that I have not herd in a long time. ....Kinkaid, there was a family by that name who lived next door to me on the Hightown Road just where the Horseshoe Road turns a large family they lived in front of McGladeries quarry some names were Margaret the eldest another girl cannot recall her name but was probably a biblic name the boys were David, Winston Churchill and sadly cannot recall all the others they lived 4 doors down from the Reeds in the end house
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: mccoy on December 20, 2014, 07:13:27 PM
Any one remember Harmony cottages I was born there in 1944  moved away in 1960
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Post by: Morton McDonald on December 20, 2014, 08:30:13 PM
Used to know a Ken McKoy he moved to the USA and then moved back to Belfast
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Post by: udini on December 20, 2014, 08:53:13 PM
Any one remember Harmony cottages I was born there in 1944  moved away in 1960

I lived in # 3 Harmony Hill, both parents worked in the Mill. Bertie Sharkie.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on December 22, 2014, 02:19:11 PM
Any one remember Harmony cottages I was born there in 1944  moved away in 1960
I,m trying to remember how many houses there were there and I think it was 8 not including the Dills Big house opposite. You lived at the top #8?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: mccoy on December 23, 2014, 02:40:48 PM
Re Harmony cottages there were a row of seven plus the Dills house across the way  the family  names I remember in the late fifties from house no 1 to 7 were  Montgomery  Granville Sharkie   Bradford   Adams  McHenery  McCoy [my old home]   
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on December 23, 2014, 03:43:06 PM
MCCOY I sent you a private message , did you not get it?
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Post by: CherylBernadette on January 04, 2015, 05:26:31 AM
. The corner boys usually consisted of the Rice brothers, Danny Ardis,Davey Thompson, Tom Maginty,walter Thompson.


By any chance would one of the  Rice brothers be a Tommy? and Danny Ardis was the one who had had another brother called John, 3 sisters. Elish, Bernadette and Jean. Her real name was Mary Jane but she went by Jean.  I never asked why ???
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: kate on January 06, 2015, 07:03:10 PM
 Any one know or remember a  Katie Maginty ,from Ligoniel  Rd  and a the daughter of the owners of the  Chippy there I think she was called Jackie Fourtune  we went to Everton School , this was around the late  1950

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Post by: kate on January 06, 2015, 07:06:38 PM
My Mother worked wit a girl From Ligoniel called Teresa Rice  I wonder if her brother was one  of the corner boys
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Post by: mccoy on January 07, 2015, 07:53:18 PM
Udini  sent you personal message but being new to form must have got it wrong . I still live in N,I. place called Newtownabbey  noth of  Belfast. Have been retired 8 years [age 70 now] I think you are about 3 years younger than me . Other kids from our time in Harmony you may remember Seamus & Agnes Montgomery, Alan Jim & Harry Granville, Billy & Tom Adams,Catherine & Jim Dill. Have some old photos of harmony if I can ever work out how to post them   
     Jim Mcc 
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Post by: georgieboy on January 14, 2015, 08:58:20 PM
I lived on Glenbank Drive, No 13.  Can still think back and name most of the families from the bottom of the street to the top.  The Coyles lived in Number 1 and the Crosby's lived in the last house beside the Park.  This was 1950 -1957 or there abouts. We then moved to Silverstream Drive. :-)
hello everyone enjoying reading about your storys, joanne do you remember the gihons from glenbank drive number 29 lived beside alec kennendy, also anyone from ligoniel remember my granny,annie magill or nee Thompson, also john magill and the irvines from ligoneil
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Post by: udini on January 19, 2015, 05:08:14 PM
hello everyone enjoying reading about your storys, joanne do you remember the gihons from glenbank drive number 29 lived beside alec kennendy, also anyone from ligoniel remember my granny,annie magill or nee Thompson, also john magill and the irvines from ligoneil
Georgieboy, I went to St.Marks with Jimmy Wilson from near the bottom of the street and , I think, next door was a boy called Jim? Harris, who although he had to use crutches, could play football with the best of us. Maybe it was because he would smack you with the crutches. There was also the Coburns in the street. I lived down Harmaony and then we moved up to Glenbank Place.
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Post by: dorisdickson970 on February 25, 2015, 08:06:39 PM
i remember jackie mcgill his granny lived in legvea st  at bottim 

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Post by: Roy McCann on March 02, 2015, 11:37:00 PM
I came from Silverstream Crescent, and went to sunday school somewhere up Legoniel. I remember Isaac Henderson's barbers, he had wooden board puzzles and loads of old war posters up. Most of my family worked in Grangers shirt factory.
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Post by: Roy McCann on March 02, 2015, 11:40:42 PM
I went to Carr's Glen school around the same time as Ellen Kinkaid,,, about 1967 I also remember Davy Reid and Martin Taggart
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Post by: Roy McCann on March 02, 2015, 11:51:07 PM
The shop I remember accross from the church was called Kellys. I used to deliver the morning papres for him, he was a gent and then one night during the troubles he was shot dead, no reason at all, Ballysillan went downhill for a number of years.
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Post by: Roy McCann on March 02, 2015, 11:53:59 PM
The shoe shop was called Russells as far as I can remember
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Post by: Roy McCann on March 03, 2015, 12:12:16 AM
Hello, I remember the shop opposite the Church was called Kellys, I delivered the morning papers for Mr Kelly in the late 60's
 
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Roy McCann on March 03, 2015, 04:48:15 PM
Hi Jr Member Newry.  Do you mind if I correct you on the shops.  I lived in Silverstream Road and remember the Crumlin Road/Ligoniel Road very well.  There was a shoe shop on the corner then if I remember an undertakers next door to Lynas's paper shop.  I'm not sure what was next door then a wool shop and then the post office.  Am I right so far.  Further on down the road before the Plots there was a supermarket called Becks that was beside the Mayfair sweet shop.  I remember that well we used to buy FIZZ there that coloured our tongue and fingers.
Hello, I'm new to this so bear with me. The undertakers next to Lynas' shop was called Melvilles. I remember the two elderly ladies that served you in Lynas'. I'm near sure the shoe shop was called Russells.Beside the Mayfair I remember a wee chippy, it was lovely, you know the smell of vinegar on chips type of smell.
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Roy McCann on March 03, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
Hi Elwood,
No , the shop opposite Ballysillan Church was not the Mayfair. The Mayfair was further up the road, just above Glenbank, below the chippy.
I cant remember the name of the shop opposite the church but do remember going there (it was a sweet shop) after rationing ended to buy our sweets.
It was converted to a house ( or maybe reconverted ! ) quite a few years later, late 60's or 70's I think.
Hi there, the shop was called Kellys. I did the morning papers for Mr Kelly for a while probably about 1968. Sadly he joined the long list of fatalities due to the troubles around that time.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Roy McCann on March 03, 2015, 05:05:14 PM
Who remembers the old Ligoniel characters like John "Squeak" Kyle or Geordie "Stoker" Palmer
I remember we used to get a chase from Squeak around Silverstream in the early 60's
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Roy McCann on March 03, 2015, 05:12:37 PM
It was located on the corner of Abbeydale crescent and called Smyth's shop (Mr Smyth in the 1950s) then Dunbar's shop ( Sadie and Davey Dunbar plus Sadies sister in the 1960s) and then Kelly's shop (Mr Kelly was shot dead in the shop by the IRA for not paying protection money) The irony of this is that Mr Kelly was a good catholic man. Hello, this brings back memories,  I delivered the morning papers for Mr Kelly until his death. I remember the night he was shot, my friends and I went to the area to have a nosy, you did that back then for some god knows what reason.
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Post by: ballysillan old boy on March 03, 2015, 10:23:50 PM
I remember we used to get a chase from Squeak around Silverstream in the early 60's
With the shape of Squeak he would hardly have caught anyone O0
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on March 06, 2015, 10:08:09 PM
John  kile  lived in  legvea st  he came from a nice family  lcant remember his mum and dad he had 2 brothers and 1 sister  i was born and brought in ligoniel my unchle jim  and unchlesammy  had pigons they flew  under the name martain kelly  whiley  my granny lived  in ligoniel place  beside jimmy lyness  he was married to my grandfather  niece kitty  martain   they one son he was a minester  i think he went to canada   :P   
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: ballysillan old boy on March 07, 2015, 12:34:15 PM
John Kyles brother Billy worked in the council yard in Primrose St and was a gentleman
As for John the least said the better
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Post by: Rose anna on March 07, 2015, 10:26:49 PM
The person  who mentioned the Rice family. Yes you are spot on. I had forgotten the names of the girls. Some of the Rice brothers went to England and live in the midlands.
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Post by: Rose anna on March 07, 2015, 10:31:08 PM
To Ballysillan old boy. Will you stop ridiculing that ever fragrant gentleman John Kyle.lol yes he came from a nice family but he was horrible.the smell of him would out do a skunk.yet he spoke really posh.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on March 07, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
The supermarket was set back a bit from the road. It was next to the wee Elim church.
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Post by: ballysillan old boy on March 08, 2015, 02:52:47 AM
To Ballysillan old boy. Will you stop ridiculing that ever fragrant gentleman John Kyle.lol yes he came from a nice family but he was horrible.the smell of him would out do a skunk.yet he spoke really posh.
 
Squeak was rag and bone man the Ligoniel Steptoe
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on March 08, 2015, 11:14:36 PM
Well his bones were well covered and his clothes were rags.but i do not remember him doing any work Ballysillan old boy
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: frank gorman on March 12, 2015, 10:36:43 AM
hi mccoy..ref to harmoney  my father was from there my uncle jimmy lived there untill he died in 1963 family name is gorman had many a fun day spent in harmoney with my brothers and the dills,,,,,,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Roy McCann on March 12, 2015, 12:46:30 PM
Hi Shillings,

I grew up at 20 Silverstream Crescent from 1958 to about 1979.

Fond memories though I wouldn't recognise too many people now.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on March 13, 2015, 06:38:20 PM
Frank Gorman.  I grew up down Harmony and do remember Jimmy Gorman, we lived in number 3.

Roy McCANN.  My Mum , Dad and brother Raymond Sharkie, lived in number 8 Silverstream Crescent. After my parents died my brother still lives there.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Roy McCann on March 13, 2015, 06:58:22 PM
I remember them Udini, they lived next door to big George Irvine and, I think the Weirs were next door to that. Mr and Mrs Patty lived at no.2 in the early days before they moved to Brae Hill. There used to be a wee gap in the houses next to yours where we cut through into the 'Dump' as we called them. That's where the bonfire was lit each twelfth. I lived a few doors up the street. Memories.

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Post by: mccoy on March 14, 2015, 07:15:54 PM
hi mccoy..ref to harmoney  my father was from there my uncle jimmy lived there untill he died in 1963 family name is gorman had many a fun day spent in harmoney with my brothers and the dills,,,,,,

Hi Frank remember your uncle I think he was a single guy who lived on his own . Going back to the early 50s there was I think if I remember correctly  a family called Gorman ,who lived a no2  cant remember what children if any there were They moved up to the turn of the road when I was a boy about 60 years

Regards  Jim Mc
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: frank gorman on March 14, 2015, 11:12:46 PM
hi mccoy yes moved too lavens drive my cousin still lives there.....small world oh your right about my uncle jimmy ,,,,take care
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on March 15, 2015, 03:41:45 PM
hi mccoy yes moved too lavens drive my cousin still lives there.....small world oh your right about my uncle jimmy ,,,,take care

My grandparents, TODD, lived in 11 Lavens Drive , but that was long before it was changed to what it looks like now.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: thewass on May 02, 2015, 12:06:08 AM
does anyone from Ligoniel know whatever became of Frances Spence,?She used to live in the lower half of Legnavea street,number 13 I think.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Rose anna on May 12, 2015, 07:34:18 AM
Hi thewass. Francis spence was a bully of the first water. For some reason she had to speak with an English accent when speaking to her father then reverted to broad Belfast outside. She was a big girl bigger than any of us. She married a soldier, who was later killed. apparently she also changed her religion. Last time I heard she was living off the Ballysillan Road.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: gordy on May 15, 2015, 11:55:45 AM
John Kyles brother Billy worked in the council yard in Primrose St and was a gentleman
As for John the least said the better

John Kyles other brother Sammy Kyle worked for the council as well. Sammy was a great pigeon man along with his mate Stevie Gibbons of Lesley street. Sammy and Stevie won many pigeon trophies.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Sachs on May 17, 2015, 03:02:15 PM
 
Squeak was rag and bone man the Ligoniel Steptoe

Like some of the other posters I remember Squeak from my young days around Ligoniel.
Years later I was visiting an old friend back in Belfast and he told me Squeak had turned R.C.
Apparently Oul John had cadged his last  at Ballysillan Presbyterian and moved up the road to the Chapel.  ::) [size=78%]   [/size]
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: 17124 on June 09, 2015, 11:28:02 AM
Hi everyone, can anyone here help with me with this?   Many thanks 17124

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=62528.new#new
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: dorisdickson970 on June 16, 2015, 10:13:02 PM
HI FRANK  NICE TO READ YOUR MEMBERIES   ABOUT LIGONIEL  I WAS BORN IN THE VILLAGE  I THINK YOU KNOW  ME AND HUSBAND DAVID DICKSON NICE TO THINK WE OUR STILL AS PROUD TO HAVE HAD THE LUCK OF BEING BROUGHT UP IN SUCH A GREAT PLACE

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Mick A Lean on June 27, 2015, 05:05:09 AM
Hi everyone. Just read about Ewarts mill.    Ewart's mill was on Ligoniel Rd. a little way up from the Chapple,going twords where the trams turned around. (that is going back a bit.)
Mick.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: frank gorman on July 06, 2015, 03:51:26 AM
Hi  Dorisdickson970   yes I remember  you and  davey  very well  was  speaking  too Davey  in  Queen st ABOUT 9 years ago  you and him  were out  shopping....hope you and david are keeping  well  tell  him  I  said  Hello...all  the  best...frank
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Mick A Lean on July 15, 2015, 11:33:14 AM
Hello, I'm new to this so bear with me. The undertakers next to Lynas' shop was called Melvilles. I remember the two elderly ladies that served you in Lynas'. I'm near sure the shoe shop was called Russells.Beside the Mayfair I remember a wee chippy, it was lovely, you know the smell of vinegar on chips type of smell.
G'day Roy.  I can go back a long way.  The shops you refire to were.  Knockers (sweet shop run by 2 sisters one called Eddy) next was Mc tiers ( bakery) then Melvilles  ( undertaker) Lynas   ( sweet shop, newspapers, and barber upstairs) next Sandy O'Hara (hardware) then Jones& Johnson's, (owned by Sam Gaston, ) Grocer, post office. Animal feed. Then Barginnis St.  I hope that is of some help. If I can help with anything about "The turn of the road or it's people, I will stretch the old memory as far as I can.
Mick.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: mccoy on October 01, 2015, 07:40:14 PM
hi mccoy yes moved too lavens drive my cousin still lives there.....small world oh your right about my uncle jimmy ,,,,take c are

Hi Frank I have  been trying to go back in time a bit on harmony I sure I remember your father but not his family I think there was a little girl younger than me are have I got it wrong.
I went across town to were harmony was along time ago only the bridge over the river is still there sad
jmcc

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: frank gorman on October 02, 2015, 12:25:25 PM
hi  mcCOY  yes  he  had  three sisters,,,gerogeina /jean/ elizbeth/lillie/  madge  who  was  drowend...he had  three half  brothers george  sammy  cecil  glass ,,,,,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Bigali on October 31, 2015, 11:55:57 PM
Hi everyone. Just read about Ewarts mill.    Ewart's mill was on Ligoniel Rd. a little way up from the Chapple,going twords where the trams turned around. (that is going back a bit.)
Mick.

You wouldn't be a fan of The Quiet Man by any chance ?  :D
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Dot/dash on November 01, 2015, 09:50:22 AM
G'day Roy.  I can go back a long way.  The shops you refire to were.  Knockers (sweet shop run by 2 sisters one called Eddy) next was Mc tiers ( bakery) then Melvilles  ( undertaker) Lynas   ( sweet shop, newspapers, and barber upstairs) next Sandy O'Hara (hardware) then Jones& Johnson's, (owned by Sam Gaston, ) Grocer, post office. Animal feed. Then Barginnis St. I hope that is of some help. If I can help with anything about "The turn of the road or it's people, I will stretch the old memory as far as I can.
Mick.

what a blast from the past Mick       my great granny lived in that street       :(
Title: Re: Memories of Lower Ligoniel Rd./Crumlin Rd.and Ballysillan.
Post by: Mick A Lean on November 01, 2015, 10:54:06 PM

what a blast from the past Mick       my great granny lived in that street       :(
G'day Dot/Dash. What was your
granny's name? I may have known her! :)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: thewass on November 06, 2015, 05:19:34 PM
does anyone know the mcclean sisters who used to live in Silverstream,Ann and Linda?
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on November 13, 2015, 02:48:36 PM
Im wondering if anyone can remember a Susannah Smith from Ligoniel? She died on the 23rd January 1950 at the grand old age of 85, she was married to William Smith.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: asp1 on November 13, 2015, 08:46:02 PM
Wondered if anyone knew the Crozier family lived Legmail Street Margaret Catherine and Harry (triplets) or the Maxwell family Silverstream Parade both in the 1960s
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: thewass on November 18, 2015, 12:47:57 AM
I remember the croziers,I lived in number 4 legmail street,we left in 1965 for Canada,I went to Everton for a year then Somerdale,then left for Canada,Geordie Whitten was our form teacher,he liked to give the slipper to you if you got out of line.I don't know what became of the croziers but I do remember them,also ann and ruth Mcilhare,my name is John Wilson btw
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: hawkeye on January 31, 2016, 01:10:27 PM
I knew Brian Mc Aleese,I went to school with him.They lived then on the Ligoniel Road about 5 0r 6 doors below the library but I think the family moved to Wolfhill Avenue. Sadly Brian is not with us now.
[/quote I knew Brian well we ran around together he was a good lad we served on the alter together at St Vincent's so sorry to here he has passed away rest in peace my friend.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: gg 1979 on February 16, 2016, 02:54:55 PM
Hi looking information on the greer's and the quigley's family's  came from lesley street
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: gordy on March 22, 2016, 10:25:52 AM
Hi looking information on the greer's and the quigley's family's  came from lesley street

There was a John Greer lived near the bottom of Lesley street.

The only thing that I can remember of him is that he kept ferrets and went hunting with his shotgun.

This is the memories of a 6 year old, I am now 69
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: roger_morrison on March 28, 2016, 12:23:15 PM
The barber's name was Isaac Henderson - one of a huge tribe of Henderson's that inhabited Ligoniel and were members of the Methodist Church.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Mick A Lean on March 29, 2016, 12:53:41 AM
The barber's name was Isaac Henderson - one of a huge tribe of Henderson's that inhabited Ligoniel and were members of the Methodist Church.
G'day Roger, How far can you go back Re: Ligoniel? I knew the Henderson family. I also attended Ligoniel Methodist Church. Billy Henderson's (the window cleaner) son Andy, and my brother were great friends. Also I lived next door to Robbie Henderson.
Mick.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on June 15, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
Hi Everyone,

Just wondering of someone could help me?

Im trying to find out where my Gt grandmother was buried?

Her name was Susannah smith late of 186 Ligoniel road, she was married to William Smith, She died on 23rd January 1950 aged 85 (found this information on her Death Certificate and according to it William was still alive when she died)

Thank you :)

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: gordy on June 15, 2016, 03:21:21 PM
Hi Everyone,

Just wondering of someone could help me?

Im trying to find out where my Gt grandmother was buried?

Her name was Susannah smith late of 186 Ligoniel road, she was married to William Smith, She died on 23rd January 1950 aged 85 (found this information on her Death Certificate and according to it William was still alive when she died)

Thank you :)

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Antrim & Newtownabbey Borough Council - Umgall Cemetery (http://www.antrimandnewtownabbey.gov.uk/Residents/Cemeteries/Umgall-Cemetery)

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Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on June 15, 2016, 03:26:19 PM
Hi Gordy,

I have already contacted the office for umgal but unfortunately no record there :(

Thank you for replying :)

Jacqui


Hi jacquismith87,[/size]

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As far as i'm aware, a lot of Ligoniel people in the 1950s were buried in [/size]umgall graveyard.


Antrim & Newtownabbey Borough Council - Umgall Cemetery (http://www.antrimandnewtownabbey.gov.uk/Residents/Cemeteries/Umgall-Cemetery)

Umgall RoadLylehill[/size]Templepatrick[/size]BT29  4UJ[/size]

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Antrim (Civic Centre) and Newtownabbey (Mossley Mill) Cemetery Offices:[/size][/font]
Monday - Friday: 9:00am-4:00pm
Antrim Civic Centre: Tel: 028 9446 3113
Mossley Mill: Tel: 028 9034 0080[/font]
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Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Mick A Lean on June 16, 2016, 01:37:43 AM
Hi Everyone,

Just wondering of someone could help me?

Im trying to find out where my Gt grandmother was buried?

Her name was Susannah smith late of 186 Ligoniel road, she was married to William Smith, She died on 23rd January 1950 aged 85 (found this information on her Death Certificate and according to it William was still alive when she died)

Thank you :)
G'day Jacqui. I note you gave your Great grandmother's address as 186 Ligoniel Rd.  My grandmother lived at 184 Ligoniel rd. She was there from before the war until well into the 60s. To my memory, A man called Bobby Toad lived at 186,  and a family called, Darra lived at 182.  (I was born in 184.) I don't remember anyone called smith on that side of Ligoniel Rd. Do you still live in Belfast?
Mick.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on June 16, 2016, 09:44:57 AM
Hi Mick,

Thank you for your message,

Did you mean Bobby Todd? If so that was Susannah's son, they were also known as Todds, but we still havent worked out were the Todd name as came from as Susannah was Born Smyth and married a Smith. Her children were William, James, Robert, Thomas and Mary Jane.[/size]

G'day Jacqui. I note you gave your Great grandmother's address as 186 Ligoniel Rd.  My grandmother lived at 184 Ligoniel rd. She was there from before the war until well into the 60s. To my memory, A man called Bobby Toad lived at 186,  and a family called, Darra lived at 182.  (I was born in 184.) I don't remember anyone called smith on that side of Ligoniel Rd. Do you still live in Belfast?
Mick.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Mick A Lean on June 16, 2016, 11:18:59 AM
Hi Mick,

Thank you for your message,

Did you mean Bobby Todd? If so that was Susannah's son, they were also known as Todds, but we still havent worked out were the Todd name as came from as Susannah was Born Smyth and married a Smith. Her children were William, James, Robert, Thomas and Mary Jane.[/size]
G'day, Jacqui,  Sorry for the misspelling  of the name Todd. I have been on the phone with my older brother. He is some years older than me. His memory is clearer than mine. He remembers Mrs, Smith, Tommy and Bobby  Todd. He also remembers May (?Mary Jane) who married Jim McMurray.  Most of the McMurray family ended up here in Australia. (It's a small world) Thank you for responding, I enjoyed our little chat.
Mick.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on June 16, 2016, 11:54:27 AM
Hi Mick,

Yes Tommy was my Grandfather he is buried in Umgal Cemetery, We are all still confused as to were the Todd surname came from. as they were all born Smith.

It would be nice to hear if you or your brother had any memories of them, Im still currently trying to find out were Susannah and William are buried!

Nice speaking with you

Jacqui

 
G'day, Jacqui,  Sorry for the misspelling  of the name Todd. I have been on the phone with my older brother. He is some years older than me. His memory is clearer than mine. He remembers Mrs, Smith, Tommy and Bobby  Todd. He also remembers May (?Mary Jane) who married Jim McMurray.  Most of the McMurray family ended up here in Australia. (It's a small world) Thank you for responding, I enjoyed our little chat.
Mick.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Brendanmcauley on June 17, 2016, 07:04:23 PM
Would any remember a jean mc auleys and her father who lived at 292 ligoneil road when Jean died in Jan 1970 this is were she was buried from thank you
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on July 16, 2016, 01:16:27 PM
G'day, Jacqui,  Sorry for the misspelling  of the name Todd. I have been on the phone with my older brother. He is some years older than me. His memory is clearer than mine. He remembers Mrs, Smith, Tommy and Bobby  Todd. He also remembers May (?Mary Jane) who married Jim McMurray.  Most of the McMurray family ended up here in Australia. (It's a small world) Thank you for responding, I enjoyed our little chat.
Mick.

Hello Mick a Lean. Mary Jane (better known as May) was my Granny and she actually married Rabbie McMurray. Jim Mc Murray was my Da and I'm one of the McMurrays who moved to Australia. Jacqui Smith is my second cousin and we've both been busy trying to sort out the Smith/Todd mystery. Where abouts in Oz are you?

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Elwood on July 16, 2016, 01:22:02 PM

Hello Mick a Lean. Mary Jane (better known as May) was my Granny and she actually married Rabbie McMurray. Jim Mc Murray was my Da and I'm one of the McMurrays who moved to Australia. Jacqui Smith is my second cousin and we've both been busy trying to sort out the Smith/Todd mystery. Where abouts in Oz are you?

By the way how are you Jacqui? Still on the trail I gather. Haven't been on Bacefook lately... got a bit bored with it all. Drawing too many dead ends regarding the family tree stuff.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: jacquismith87 on July 18, 2016, 09:49:18 AM
Hi Hazel, Im not too bad :) how about you?, Im still doing bits and bobs in regards to the Family tree, mainly trying to find out where our Gt Granny Smith/Todd is buried :(  Its such a mystery lol
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on July 24, 2016, 04:30:44 PM
Hi Hazel, Im not too bad :) how about you?, Im still doing bits and bobs in regards to the Family tree, mainly trying to find out where our Gt Granny Smith/Todd is buried :(  Its such a mystery lol
Hi, my Grandparents WILLIAM & ELIZABETH TODD lived at 11 Lavens Drive. I really don't know anything about him but she was a GRAHAM from somewhere in the Shankill. I remember hearing that he was from Ballyclare but then later heard Ligoniel.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: RobertTodd on September 01, 2016, 08:50:37 PM
For reasons far beyond my comprehension I found myself browsing this forum last night and it looks like I have stumbled across a family mystery which I knew nothing about.

My grandfather whom I was named after, was Bobby Todd and my grandmother was Frances Todd better known as Lalla and they also lived in Lavens drive so it looks like I am related to Udini and Jacquismith87. Maybe 2nd cousins.

At this stage I have no answers to the Smith/Todd mystery but I know my sister has done extensive research with the family tree and managed to go back quite a few generations.

I am currently back in N.I. visiting family and will take the opportunity to speak to my uncle Jack and aunt Roberta (Bobby's son and daughter) to see if they can shed some light on the subject. Unfortunately my father Howard passed away last year and this sort of thing would have been right up his street.

Jacquismith87 please feel free to pm me, I will put you in touch with my sister who has all the info on the family tree
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Ginger33 on September 29, 2016, 01:48:28 PM
Hi there I went to st. Marks for my first year of school in p1 then the new school was built then it was Lionel primary I remember mrs mcquitty and Mr Bloar if that's how it's spelt I left in 1970 and went to Everton girls secondary school I lived on Silverstream road . Number 33 my maiden name was,Ann Beattie .
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Ginger33 on September 29, 2016, 04:34:40 PM
Your name sounds familiar to me I lived Silvestre road my maiden name was Ann Beattie did you know a wee man called Walter Blair he lived Silvestre cresent think it was number 10 .
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Mick A Lean on September 30, 2016, 02:26:44 AM
Your name sounds familiar to me I lived Silvestre road my maiden name was Ann Beattie did you know a wee man called Walter Blair he lived Silvestre cresent think it was number 10 .
G'day Ginger. I was a while before your time. I left St. Marks in 1952, and left Ballysillan in 1954, and have been in Australia ever since.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Ginger33 on September 30, 2016, 12:08:29 PM
Hi there thank you for getting back to me I must have been thinking of some one else .
Have a lovely day .
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: mccoy on September 30, 2016, 06:33:08 PM
Mick A lean. You left St Marks 1952 my two twin brothers left about 1953,I left a few years later .The name McCoy ring any bells.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Mick A Lean on October 01, 2016, 06:15:06 AM
Mick A lean. You left St Marks 1952 my two twin brothers left about 1953,I left a few years later .The name McCoy ring any bells.
Hi, Ginger. I knew your brothers very well. For a time we were in the same class. Back then they lived in one of the white washed cottages in Harmony. I also worked with your father, Billy! in Glenbank.  What a small world we live in.  Thanks for contacting me .I would be pleased to hear from you anytime.
keep smiling.
Mick.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Mick A Lean on October 01, 2016, 06:17:18 AM
Sorry Ginger I mixed you up with McCoy.  I think it is called (a senior moment)
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Ginger33 on October 01, 2016, 09:37:47 AM
Hi there Mick don't worry I have got a lot of people mixed up on here or sent a question and it's went to the wrong person lol . But sure it's still nice to chat .
Hope you have a lovely day .
Chat soon
Ginger 33
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: mccoy on October 01, 2016, 07:35:04 PM
Hi Mick A Lean ,Can I ask your real name as I might remember you .  Brother Billy died a few years ,Robert is in a care home after a serious stroke  JMc
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Mick A Lean on October 05, 2016, 04:33:54 AM
Hi Mick A Lean ,Can I ask your real name as I might remember you .  Brother Billy died a few years ,Robert is in a care home after a serious stroke  JMc
My name is Norman McCleery. I sent you a PM with a few more details.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: mccoy on October 05, 2016, 05:27:28 PM
Sorry Mick A Lean just found your message reply to follow.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Mick A Lean on October 22, 2016, 04:10:13 AM
Your name sounds familiar to me I lived Silvestre road my maiden name was Ann Beattie did you know a wee man called Walter Blair he lived Silvestre cresent think it was number 10 .
  Did you have a brother called Jim Beattie who lived in the back street in Ligoniel?   I didn't know Walter Blair.!
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Mick A Lean on October 22, 2016, 04:39:14 AM
Hi, Ginger, I note in a past post, you mentioned Charlie McAleer, I knew him. He was a local butcher. His sons names are Bobby and Wilson. They were two or three years younger than me. We often played in the street together, and went swimming in the old dam in the Glenn at the back of the park. (much against our mothers' wishes) Can you tell me if they are still around??????????????????????????.
It is nice to hear about the people from way back then.
Keep smiling.
Mick. (Norman) 
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: 17124 on January 04, 2017, 07:35:22 PM

For reasons far beyond my comprehension I found myself browsing this forum last night and it looks like I have stumbled across a family mystery which I knew nothing about.

My grandfather whom I was named after, was Bobby Todd and my grandmother was Frances Todd better known as Lalla and they also lived in Lavens drive so it looks like I am related to Udini and Jacquismith87. Maybe 2nd cousins.

At this stage I have no answers to the Smith/Todd mystery but I know my sister has done extensive research with the family tree and managed to go back quite a few generations.

I am currently back in N.I. visiting family and will take the opportunity to speak to my uncle Jack and aunt Roberta (Bobby's son and daughter) to see if they can shed some light on the subject. Unfortunately my father Howard passed away last year and this sort of thing would have been right up his street.

Jacquismith87 please feel free to pm me, I will put you in touch with my sister who has all the info on the family tree
Robert  I have sent you a PM
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: gordy on March 06, 2017, 04:03:49 PM
Hello everyone,

Just enquiring if anyone knew an Andrew Todd from Abbeydale crescent, Crumlin road facing the Ballysillan road.

Andrew was also called Andy.

I've lost contact this past 40 years and I haven't a clue where he lives now.

Any help appreciated.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: acrooks on May 05, 2017, 11:24:29 PM

Hi, I hope someone can help.
I am trying to find my grandfathers family history.
We believe that his mother and father Mary and John Coyle lived in the Ligoniel area.
My Aunt remembers going to visit sometime around the 1950s.
I cannot find any record of them in the ancestry website.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Uncle buck on May 10, 2017, 08:24:03 PM
I think the shoe shop was called Russells,  the undertakers was Melvilles.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: reelman on June 11, 2017, 12:01:21 AM
Hi I lived in ligoniel till 1971 ,then moved too wheatfield
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Noel P on July 03, 2017, 10:11:08 PM
I used to live in Silverstream mid 50's-early 60's and despite the usual hardships of that era,
I can truthfully say they were some of the happiest days of my life!
I also went to primary school in Ligoniel (remember the Library and park well) and also attended
Wheatfield primary and Model school. I also knew Ballysillan area in those days.
I am new to the forum so am just getting to know the set up.I have thoroughly enjoyed all the posts I have
read so far and have learned so much about the recent history of such a memorable place. Thanks to all
the wonderful people on the forum. :)

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Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Kaitren_mc on August 25, 2017, 09:59:21 PM
Wondering if anyone would have information on a Bridget mckee/magee would have died 1981 from ligoneil
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: woodvale on September 15, 2017, 11:34:23 PM
Kaitren mc. I sent you a pm which you did not bother to answer.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: Silverstream on September 26, 2017, 03:07:05 AM
Hi there thank you for getting back to me I must have been thinking of some one else .
Have a lovely day .
Hello Ann, I remember your Da, he was a chimney sweep, we lived next door to the Stevensons directly behind you,
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: GMontgomery on October 12, 2017, 07:14:49 PM
Hi folks. My name is Gerald Montgomery. I was born in harmony. Number one in 1955. My dad joe and mum Maureen. We rember the Adams, the Granville’s the Bradford’s etc. Love to hear from anyone.
Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: udini on April 06, 2019, 04:25:24 PM
Hi folks. My name is Gerald Montgomery. I was born in harmony. Number one in 1955. My dad joe and mum Maureen. We rember the Adams, the Granville’s the Bradford’s etc. Love to hear from anyone.
Hello Gerald,my name is Bertie Sharkie and I lived at 3 Harmony from 1948 to about 1955/7 and thenwe moved up to Glenbank Place.

Title: Re: Ligoniel
Post by: mccoy on April 07, 2019, 07:51:48 PM
Hi Gerald My name is Jim McCoy I lived in no7 Harmony I remember your sister Agnes and your parents well did you also have an older brother.