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Title: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on March 16, 2011, 04:22:32 AM
 :smile: I have been reading a lot from folks who lived in the Mossley - Carnmoney area. The best school teacher had to be Sydney Hamilton who taught in Mossley Primary, he was also the ScoutMaster for Mossley Boy Scouts - the best at that too. I was born there and lived there until the early sixties.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on April 18, 2011, 06:07:37 PM
Yes, I remember him well as a schoolboy of the late 1960s, a learned man, ably assisted by such stalwarts as Mrs Frame and Miss Sands.
 
I'd love to upload a great picture I have of him actually teaching in class but unfortunately I can't seem to get the insert image script to work for me. 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on April 18, 2011, 06:30:06 PM
Hopefully this is the picture uploaded now. The imp at the back of the class in front of the hula hoops is my slightly older brother. Taken around early 1960s I reckon.
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Patsy-Ann on May 05, 2011, 11:17:21 AM
I just came across this by accident and thought would share as someone may remember.  My eldest daughter fell in love at age 4yrs at playschool at Ballyduff.  My daughter started Ballyduff Primary but was so sad that the love of her life went to Mossley as his Mum was a teacher there.(Ithink)  We were so upset so soon after going to Primary school Ronnie developed cancer and passed away shortly after.  My daughter had a wee bean doll and she called it Ronnie and she is 38yrs now and still has the wee doll. We have never forgotten Ronnie and he was such a brave and lovely wee boy :(
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on May 27, 2011, 04:56:41 AM
I apologize for not acknowledging the replies to my question about Sydney Hamilton, but as I was visiting my 2 grandkids in St. Albert in Alberta I did get around to checking the Belfast Forum. The picture posted by CMcG is a wonderful likeness of Sydney, in fact he does not look a day older than the day I left Mossley Primary to go to Ballyclare High after the "Eleven Plus ", remember that? As Patsy-Ann seemed to reside in Ballyduff she would know the Mission Hall and the Ballyduff Silver Band, I played in that band for almost 20 years. I have a thousand memories of the school (I lived around the corner in the Old Row), the mill, the dam and the swans, the park where I played tennis, hockey and badminton. I could write a book about those years spent in Mossley.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: RobRoy on May 27, 2011, 09:05:54 PM
Jim what years did you attend Ballyclare?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on May 28, 2011, 05:51:28 AM
My favourite subject at school was Math but I just spent almost 5 minutes trying to figure out which years I attended Ballyclare High, so go figure, did I start at 11 years old or was it 12. I think the years were 1949-1951 and some of my teachers were Math-Stinson, Geography-Francey, History-Hooks, French-Rosie and 1 year of Latin with Taber John Davidson (one was enough). I played on the tennis team with Geordie Brown, Ivan Black and Staffie Stevenson and later at the Mossley club with Margaret :scratch_ones_head: ??? and Merrill Perry (my favourite partner at school and the next 10 years at Mossley). There were others but my memories escape me at the moment, as usual I will remember other memories when I stop, so until next time.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Patsy-Ann on August 01, 2011, 05:43:09 AM
I apologize for not acknowledging the replies to my question about Sydney Hamilton, but as I was visiting my 2 grandkids in St. Albert in Alberta I did get around to checking the Belfast Forum. The picture posted by CMcG is a wonderful likeness of Sydney, in fact he does not look a day older than the day I left Mossley Primary to go to Ballyclare High after the "Eleven Plus ", remember that? As Patsy-Ann seemed to reside in Ballyduff she would know the Mission Hall and the Ballyduff Silver Band, I played in that band for almost 20 years. I have a thousand memories of the school (I lived around the corner in the Old Row), the mill, the dam and the swans, the park where I played tennis, hockey and badminton. I could write a book about those years spent in Mossley.

Did you play hockey for Mossley?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on August 02, 2011, 04:10:46 AM
Yes I did, in fact I was lucky enough to play with Brian Gilroy, young John McKinstry, my brother Clark (and a lot of guys whose names I should remember but don't) on the Mossley second eleven team which went down to Dublin and won the Irish Junior Cup, not quite sure of the year - early sixties I think.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: unityflats on August 02, 2011, 04:48:23 AM
Do you remembe richard and jane rash from mossley.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Patsy-Ann on August 02, 2011, 11:03:01 AM
My cousin Sam Browne played for years for Mossley Hockey Club,  do you remember him?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on August 02, 2011, 10:58:49 PM
I somehow had the feeling that we both knew somebody, of course I remember Sam. One of the times our family were flying over home from Canada (as we still say 43 years later), we were walking through the airport in Toronto when we suddenly saw somebody familiar, it was Sam and his family. I think that he had been over here for a wedding and after we took off from the runway all of a sudden somebody tapped my shoulder, it was Sam with a glass of I believe Bushmills Black Label. It was one of the many we enjoyed on lots of occasions, and since at the spiffy clubhouse built on the brickhill where Sam was smiling behind the bar. I also knew Sam sisters Olga (at Ballyclare High), Lynn at a party in Dromore at my niece's house (Lynn also went to Ballyclare High but after I did) and Christine here in Brampton at lunch times in Fortino's grocery store. I had better quit as I am not familiar enough about how much I can put in a Quick Reply.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Patsy-Ann on August 02, 2011, 11:12:50 PM
Well well small world :smile:   It is actually his wife Alma is my cousin but I call him cousin as well.  yes they were always going back and forth for holidays.  I have been in touch with Almas sister recently as she lives close to me and they are doing well.  PM me if you want.   I was on ages ago re a lovely child Ronnie who went to Mossley for a short time maybe you remember me from that.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Patsy-Ann on August 02, 2011, 11:14:14 PM
Ballyclare High was there a teacher Miss Hinton?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on August 03, 2011, 10:11:17 PM
Sorry Unityflats I don't remember them but then I actually left Mossley in 1964 when I got married.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on August 03, 2011, 10:44:37 PM
I can't remember a Miss Hinton at Ballyclare High but most of my teachers were of the male variety except for Rosie Fleming my French teacher. There was an art teacher whose name I can't remember but I gave up art after the 1st year. I did get your posting re Ronnie, there is nothing worse than a young child of that age going out of your life. I know that too well as my younger brother was killed on the road in front of our house when he was just 4 years old. Another boy who everybody seemed to know, his funeral was massive for those days (the late forties), my eyes are full of tears just thinking about him, sentimental old fool 64 years later.
I need some advice on sending a PM to you, which is pretty dumb of me as I have been working with computers for the past 20 odd years or so.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 16, 2011, 11:23:44 AM
Hi there, CMcG here, does the name "McGaffin" from Mossley strike any chord???
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 16, 2011, 11:37:07 AM
Hi JimIGS, would welcome any other memories you have, for example, at school in Mossley, where did you eat for lunch? Do you remember the train line to Belfast from the playground? Any little thing at all would give us a thrill!!!
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on August 17, 2011, 02:10:09 AM
my aunt and uncle lived in mossley all their lives and my uncle worked as a groundsman or caretaker in mossley mill.
i spent my school holidays with them as my mum and dad were both working. i played with three lots of kids whose mothers were all sisters cecilia mckeown and i think jennifer whose mum owned a wee shop on the way up to carntall . their cousins were mckinstry and for the life of me i cant remember the other family's name.
my aunt and uncle were fanny and sandy thompson.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 17, 2011, 04:06:27 AM
SandyMc, the other name is possibly Hamill. Mrs McKinstry, McKeown, and Hamill were well known in Mossley. My late father was a bowler and therefore friendly with Davy McKinstry and Jimmy McKeown. Davy McKinstry even took our family once to the seaside for our holiday, before my father got a car. The woman-folk all worked in the mill, regularly attended Mossley Church of Ireland and lived on each others doorstep a few hundred yards up the Carntall Road just about where the houses run out. Can't remember the name of the shop exactly but it was something like "Buttons and Bows" (the small building is still there to the side of the McKinstry's bungalow). Davy McKinstry is to the right of this 1968 photo of a Mossley Bowling Club competition.
 
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 17, 2011, 05:41:04 AM
Somebody mentioned Mossley Hockey Club before and I just remembered I have an old photo - it's before most folk's time, but someone may recognise the names (which I'll post after this).
 
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 17, 2011, 05:43:22 AM
The photo was taken in 1936, here are the names scribbled on the back.
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on August 17, 2011, 08:40:13 AM
SandyMc, the other name is possibly Hamill. Mrs McKinstry, McKeown, and Hamill were well known in Mossley. My late father was a bowler and therefore friendly with Davy McKinstry and Jimmy McKeown. Davy McKinstry even took our family once to the seaside for our holiday, before my father got a car. The woman-folk all worked in the mill, regularly attended Mossley Church of Ireland and lived on each others doorstep a few hundred yards up the Carntall Road just about where the houses run out. Can't remember the name of the shop exactly but it was something like "Buttons and Bows" (the small building is still there to the side of the McKinstry's bungalow). Davy McKinstry is to the right of this 1968 photo of a Mossley Bowling Club competitionhello
hello CMcG
that name is right and as soon as i read it i remembered i remembered brian and margaret hamill who i also played with in fact margaret stayed with me when i stated with my aunt and uncle and i remember their mum who i called aunt lizzie their family was one of the first to have a television and there used to be about fourteen of us watching.
my aunt and uncle lived in one of the houses on up carntall road and then they moved to one of the wee cottages just coming into mossley from belfast before the bridge
on our first tripback from oz they had moved into mossley estate.
what memories this has brought back.
sandymc
 
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 17, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
SandyMc, when you say "...then they moved to one of the wee cottages just coming into Mossley from Belfast before the bridge..." was it Lodge Row as below (the houses are rendered, when I was young they were brick, the road bridge for cars to cross over the railway line veers to the right at the rear of the photo)?
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 17, 2011, 02:37:31 PM
... Or was it the "Sunnyside" row of houses, which was just up from the Orange Hall (in the background), faced onto the old Mill and had a bridge opposite it, immediately beside the old primary school? (this photo from 1982)
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 17, 2011, 02:41:41 PM
... Or was it the little row of house immediate to the entrance to the Mill (whose name I have temporarily forgotten - another Werther's Original moment! Nurse!!!)
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 17, 2011, 02:45:11 PM
SandyMc, I wasn't far off at all, "Buttons 'n' Bows was what it was called and here it is!
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Patsy-Ann on August 17, 2011, 10:22:17 PM
SandyMc, I wasn't far off at all, "Buttons 'n' Bows was what it was called and here it is! Oh my goodness is this recent pic?
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 17, 2011, 10:34:46 PM
Yes, indeed it is SandyMc, the house passed into new hands within the last year or so, but the wee shop has been unused and boarded up for years now.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on August 18, 2011, 01:48:50 AM
Yes, indeed it is SandyMc, the house passed into new hands within the last year or so, but the wee shop has been unused and boarded up for years now.
hello CMcG
yes my aunt and uncle lived in lodge row, it looks so different now when our first child was born my husband and i used to walk up the whitewell road through glengormley and down to that little house and then my dad would pick us up at night and drive us home.
the wee shop i remember it too and all the families i mentioned lived across the road in a row of houses and i think the mother of all the sisters lived in that row as well.
the things we remember because i just saw the teacher at mossley thread and came on and now i have a photo of
places i thought i would never see again.
thank you for posting the photos.
sandymc
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 18, 2011, 05:54:09 AM
No problem SandyMc. Yes things look very different now, it seems like yesterday that we used to run across the old Mossley Primary School playground to look down at the railway track and watch the steam trains pass by. Now the schools gone (it's mostly replaced by a church) and indeed a large part of the Mill has gone as you can see below (which was taken during the building work). This is the rear of the Mill (the dam is out of sight to the left) and you can see the "Sunnyside" row of houses to the rear of the photo (beyond a railway track and road which are both hidden). I remember as a child that whole area was lovely, beautifully landscaped and maintained with large vegetable and fruit gardens, a beautiful old house and stableblock, loads of mature chestnut trees, etc. and now it is council offices and housing. Still, everything has to change.
 
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If your Uncle worked in the Mill he may have known my late father - he worked there from the early 1950s to 1990'ish and we lived at the Villas opposite the dam. McGaffin by name, he's the one at the opposite end from Davy McKinstry in the photo previously posted.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on August 18, 2011, 06:08:35 AM
hello CMcG
i am sure my uncle sandy did know your dad as i said they lived in mossley as long as i ever knew but they are both dead now same as my mum and dad and we left belfast in 1967 and have been in australia ever since.
the memories are flooding back though was davy mckinstry wife called nellie and the sister who owned the shop was teenie i am sitting here thinking of all the lucky lumps we used to buy in the shop trying to win free sweets.
long long time ago.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 18, 2011, 07:28:21 PM
SandyMc, the 3 sisters were Teenie (Christina) McKeown, Lizzie Hamill and Nellie McKinstry. I tried to scan a photo of Teenie McKeown out of an old church magazine I have, but it was so bad there was no point. I think Nellie and Teenie are gone but Lizzie may still be alive (see below). Anyway, I found the following photo in the family album from the late 1960s of Nellie and Lizzie (if you left for Australia in 1967,they should be recognisable).
 
Lizzie Hamill is in the front row, 4th from left as you look at it, her right knee behind the big cup.  2nd from left as you look at the photo in the 2nd row back (with the hand on her shoulder) is Nellie McKinstry.
 
For info, the man's head behind the left shoulder of the woman behind Lizzie Hamill's left shoulder is Nellie McKinstry's husband Davy McKinstry. And back row, 2nd from left as you look at the photo, is my father.
 
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I suspect Lizzie Hamill might still be alive - see this link:
 
http://www.newtownabbeytoday.co.uk/community/mossley_wi_marks_65th_anniversary_1_2668728 (http://www.newtownabbeytoday.co.uk/community/mossley_wi_marks_65th_anniversary_1_2668728)
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on August 19, 2011, 04:13:10 AM
CMcG
thank you for the photos. i dont know if you remember my aunt she was really good friends with lizzie, teenie and nellie and all of us kids played together because i spent a lot of time with them.
i am named for my uncle sandy (ALEXANDER THOMPSON) i am alexandra and my aunt was frances who we called nonie i dont know why. my mum was a mcfall from monkstown and my dad a jamison from whiteabbey.
do you know what happened to margaret hamill lizzie's daughter.
when we lived in melbourne there was a knock on our door one night and it was margaret, she was only on holiday and we gave her a lift to the train station that night.
we left for perth not long after and lost touch.
thanks again
sandymc
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on August 19, 2011, 07:41:25 PM
Hi there, CMcG here, does the name "McGaffin" from Mossley strike any chord???
Jim here,
Sorry for the delay in responding, we have family visiting from Scotland so not checking too often.
Yes I do remember the name McGaffin but my only problem is remembering details after 50 years away. The one thing I rember is that the people who lived in the villas were the department managers in the mill. My father worked in the Spinning room from the age of fourteen until he retired at I believe seventy. As you lived in the end Villa I think you lived beside the Perry family (I remember Betty, Meryl - I played Tennis with both of them, and with Harold Burns - Betty's husband. Will was a member of Ballyduff Silver Band with us (Ross Aiken-my cousin, Jack-my brother and myself). I believe there was also the Moore family close by. There was also the Wilmont family but I cannot remember if they lived in the Red or the White Row (as you probably remember we didn't call them by the name of Crescent).
You and SandyMc have saved some great pictures of Mossley and I am enjoying seeing them, unfortunately I didn't become a photographer until after we came to Canada in 1968. More comment and memories later.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on August 20, 2011, 02:11:35 AM
hello jim
we must thank CMcG for all the photos because we didn't have a camera until i was about fifteen and i am in the process of making a family history and already i have been sent a lot from people on the forum.
my husband died just before christmas and i found the forum and made new friends and if i mention some thing or some place and some one has a photo they send it to me.
we left belfast in 1967 so making this book is a big project for me as i have not been using a computer long either.
sandymc ( sandra )
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 20, 2011, 07:31:33 AM
Hi JimIGS, good to hear from you. I followed a similar pattern to you by going to Mossley Primary then Ballyclare High, albeit a few years after you (I was at Ballyclare in the 1970s - not that I want to rub it in or anything!) Apart from Mr. Hamilton, I was also taught by Mrs. Frame and Mrs. Sands. We ate lunch in the Orange Hall across the road, later that moved to the Mill Canteen and I always remember struggling to climb the steep steps up to it from the Mill Avenue!
 
In a previous post you mentioned a maths teacher Stinson - I wonder is that the same Ivor Stinson that taught us music studies at Ballyclare a few years later? The other teachers I remember from my era include the likes of Sam Bell (chemistry) and Herbie Mudd (english) and "Monty" (Mr. Montgomery - Latin).
 
Anyway, given when you left Northern Ireland, I've uploaded what I think is the closest photo of my father timewise, around 1965 - he's the one to the rear, standing on the shoulder of Glentoran's Trevor Thompson, who is delivering the bowl in Mossley Pavilion in this picture - I believe Trevor also worked in Mossley Mill for a while. My father was the Mill's Work Study Engineer, then Personnel Manager. We lived for a while in no. 8 the Villas, beside one of the rows (can't remember which). Next door in no 7 was George Perry and wife, next to them Billy and Essie Moore. Right down the far end at no 1 the Villas was Mr and Mrs Adams. We then moved to no. 5 the Villas for several decades until my father died some time ago.
 
Harold Burns and wife lived just up the road slightly in a big house called "The Castle" - I may be wrong, but I think Sydney Hamilton lived there at one point. The Wilmont you mentioned was also a friend of my father's - Walter Wilmont.
 
By the way, can you remember the two men in the Mill that were responsible for maintenance jobs, particularly painting - they were almost like a double act, seen everywhere together in their overalls and with paintpots and ladder. One of them was called Andy, but I can't remember for sure the name of the other. I remember them in particular painting the windows and drainpipes of the houses in the Villas every couple of years - the drainpipes in that ubiquitous dark green that used to be everywhere in the Mill.
 
Best regards.
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 20, 2011, 09:50:39 AM
By the way JimIGS, if you go back and look again at the photo in this thread showing 4 men standing behind a table of prizes, the man in the dark rimmed glasses being presented with something is Billy Moore, who used to live at no. 6 the Villas.
 
SandyMc, I'm starting to wonder if your uncle was the other man whose name I've forgotten, the one who worked with another man called Andy. I know you said he was a groundsman, is there a chance he also did maintenance / painting in the Mill?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 20, 2011, 10:07:44 AM
JimIGS, here's another photo where I'm having a punt that you may know someone.  It was taken in the mid 1980s... Who, you ask, would I know since I left before that?
 
BUT... the photo was a celebration of employees who had worked for 25 years in the Mill, so they would have been working there in or around 1960.
 
The caption on the back of this photo says:
 
BackRow L to R: W. Ritchie G. Hanna J. Hadden F.G. Barfoot M Busby W.G. McGaffin M. Boyd S. Thompson A. Hunter
 
Front Row L to R: M. Kerr B. Jenkins M. McIlwaine E.T Ilett J Stewart K. McIlwaine
 
Drawing on my own memory, Mr Barfoot and Mr Ilett were very senior management, G. Hanna was George Hanna and A Hunter was Andy Hunter - I recognise all the faces though.
 
You will probably recognise that this photo was taken in the Mill canteen with its white tiled walls and the same pictures on the wall since Methuselah was a lad.
 
Another man I remember is Gary Campbell the owner, who lived down in the old house in the Mill grounds.  Also Mr James (James not being his surname, I think he was actually James Henshall, but 'Mr James' is what he was called).
 
(http://i56.tinypic.com/25k4ti8.jpg)
 
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 20, 2011, 10:22:33 AM
JimIGS, here's another snap to see if you recognise it.  The subjects are academic (my older brothers) but from their age I know this is late 1950s. They're in the front garden of no. 8 the Villas Mossley, so the mill dam is out of shot to the right as you look at it.  The housing to the rear must be one of the white / red rows.
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 20, 2011, 10:49:12 AM
And a photo of Mossley Mill taken from the bedroom of either 5 or 8 The Villas Mossley in 1960.
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 20, 2011, 10:51:21 AM
And a photo of Mossley Park in 1960, in which you can see the Mill in the background...
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: RobRoy on August 20, 2011, 10:30:54 PM
Hi C Mc G,
That person you say is your father was at Ballyclare High with me in the late 1950's, he also had a brother who was at Ballyclare Tech. For the life of me I cannot remember their names. I was 2 or maybe 3 years behind but we always sat together on the bus home and they were a great help to me.

Hi JimIGS, good to hear from you. I followed a similar pattern to you by going to Mossley Primary then Ballyclare High, albeit a few years after you (I was at Ballyclare in the 1970s - not that I want to rub it in or anything!) Apart from Mr. Hamilton, I was also taught by Mrs. Frame and Mrs. Sands. We ate lunch in the Orange Hall across the road, later that moved to the Mill Canteen and I always remember struggling to climb the steep steps up to it from the Mill Avenue!
 
In a previous post you mentioned a maths teacher Stinson - I wonder is that the same Ivor Stinson that taught us music studies at Ballyclare a few years later? The other teachers I remember from my era include the likes of Sam Bell (chemistry) and Herbie Mudd (english) and "Monty" (Mr. Montgomery - Latin).
 
Anyway, given when you left Northern Ireland, I've uploaded what I think is the closest photo of my father timewise, around 1965 - he's the one to the rear, standing on the shoulder of Glentoran's Trevor Thompson, who is delivering the bowl in Mossley Pavilion in this picture - I believe Trevor also worked in Mossley Mill for a while. My father was the Mill's Work Study Engineer, then Personnel Manager. We lived for a while in no. 8 the Villas, beside one of the rows (can't remember which). Next door in no 7 was George Perry and wife, next to them Billy and Essie Moore. Right down the far end at no 1 the Villas was Mr and Mrs Adams. We then moved to no. 5 the Villas for several decades until my father died some time ago.
 
Harold Burns and wife lived just up the road slightly in a big house called "The Castle" - I may be wrong, but I think Sydney Hamilton lived there at one point. The Wilmont you mentioned was also a friend of my father's - Walter Wilmont.
 
By the way, can you remember the two men in the Mill that were responsible for maintenance jobs, particularly painting - they were almost like a double act, seen everywhere together in their overalls and with paintpots and ladder. One of them was called Andy, but I can't remember for sure the name of the other. I remember them in particular painting the windows and drainpipes of the houses in the Villas every couple of years - the drainpipes in that ubiquitous dark green that used to be everywhere in the Mill.
 
Best regards.
 
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2cgycf8.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on August 20, 2011, 11:17:19 PM
No problem SandyMc. Yes things look very different now, it seems like yesterday that we used to run across the old Mossley Primary School playground to look down at the railway track and watch the steam trains pass by. Now the schools gone (it's mostly replaced by a church) and indeed a large part of the Mill has gone as you can see below (which was taken during the building work). This is the rear of the Mill (the dam is out of sight to the left) and you can see the "Sunnyside" row of houses to the rear of the photo (beyond a railway track and road which are both hidden). I remember as a child that whole area was lovely, beautifully landscaped and maintained with large vegetable and fruit gardens, a beautiful old house and stableblock, loads of mature chestnut trees, etc. and now it is council offices and housing. Still, everything has to change.
 
(http://i51.tinypic.com/et7hcl.jpg)
 
If your Uncle worked in the Mill he may have known my late father - he worked there from the early 1950s to 1990'ish and we lived at the Villas opposite the dam. McGaffin by name, he's the one at the opposite end from Davy McKinstry in the photo previously posted.
Hi CMcG

As you probably remember there were 3 classrooms at Mossley Primary (in my days there the teachers were - Mrs. Frame, Miss Caldwell and Sydney Hamilton). Between the school and the playground was the School House (the Fenning Family lived there). Running the whole way beside the school was the Old Row (33 houses), across the road from Sunnyside (I think 15 or 16 houses). We lived in the Old Row (originally #1 but moved to #16 after the 1939-1945 war as the houses needed to be repaired, they were complete with concrete stairs which my younger brother tumbled down), after the repairs which took about a year we moved to #4. I used to spend hours in the playground by myself belting a tennis ball against Fennings wall, of course earlier years we played football (they call it soccer here in Canada).
As I said I have hundreds of memories of Mossley and the people who lived there, in Sunnyside there were the Scott family in #1, the McNeill family in #3, the McCullough Sweetie Shop in #4, I think the Ritchie's in #5 and further down the Darragh family, the McBroom family and the Graham family (that's not too bad for a 74-year old memory).
In the Old Row were the kids my cousins Ross and Beryl Aiken in #18 (they moved to Sunnyside later), Andy and Davy Hunter in #20 (I think), the Loughren family (no names), the Harland family (Kathleen and Hannah?), the Dunn family (Billy) and others which will come to me as always just after I finish.
Because we all lived 2 minutes from the school we went home for lunch and I think the kids from Upper Mossley (White Row, Red Row, the Villas and Uppertown) brought lunch. That is all for now - more later.

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Post by: CMcG on August 21, 2011, 04:29:38 AM
Hi JimIGS, I'm pretty sure some of those families or their children moved into the new houses that replaced the white and red rows (the old estate Mossley, as opposed to the new estate Mossley which was built on the opposite side of the road to Mossley Pavilion or New Mossley which was built south of the Pavilion in the land stretching up towards Ballyhenry).  The Fennings are familiar and a Billy Dunn used to be the local window cleaner.  This is what's replaced the old school now (it's a church). Sunnyside and the Orange Hall are just out of shot to the right. The space in the foreground (presumably released by the demolition of the Old Row) was the school payground and we all used to rush over to the hedge on the left and look down at the trains passing.

 
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Post by: CMcG on August 21, 2011, 04:36:52 AM
In this, the school is just out of shot at the rear, just over the bridge to the left.
 
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Post by: CMcG on August 21, 2011, 04:47:03 AM
Another view of the mill in the 1980s from the south. Just out of shot on the right (I wish I'd kept it in) was a small single storey slate roofed building which was the scout hut. In my day it hadn't been used for donkeys years and was all boarded up.  I remember my father took me into it one time and it was simply a couple of rooms painted white throughout and devoid of furniture. But the dusty floor was covered in discarded short lengths of thin rope tied into various kinds of knot!
 
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Post by: CMcG on August 21, 2011, 04:53:39 AM
Another angle in the 1980s, this time the Mill is out of shot to the left, but you can see where the school once stood (the church to the left), the Orange Hall and Sunnyside to the right. I'm not sure if the large building at the back was there when you were still here JimIGS, the Campbells built it in the 60s and called it GC and made synthetic fibres there. It was at the crossroads of Doagh Road and Cartall Road.
 
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Post by: CMcG on August 21, 2011, 04:59:34 AM
JimIGS, not sure if you have seen this leaflet or not - it even shows a map reference to Old Row.
 
http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/heritage/downloads/Mossley%20Mill.pdf (http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/heritage/downloads/Mossley%20Mill.pdf)
 
 
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Post by: sandymc on August 21, 2011, 05:01:53 AM
CMcG
i think it was mostly gardening my uncle done at the mill. when i stayed with them during school holidays they lived on the carntall road and my uncle used to cycle home at lunch time for his dinner and at night time he would walk with two pails for water which my aunt used for drinking and cooking as the water that came into the house was only used for washing.we would gather blackberries up the rea hill (not sure of spelling )and my aunt would make jam.when they moved to lodge row it seemed to me as a child that it was an awfully big back garden where my uncle kept us all well supplied with vegetables.
i also remember lots of christmas trees growing not far from the lodge row house.
sandymc
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Post by: CMcG on August 21, 2011, 05:18:34 AM
Sure SandyMc, you can see the fir trees in the background in this other angle of Lodge Row looking down from the railway bridge.  That is Manse road leading off to the right at the junction.
 
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Post by: sandymc on August 21, 2011, 05:38:32 AM
CMcG
didn't the manse road lead up to carnmoney and glengormley i think that is a walk we took some sundays, in later years my husband and i walked from whitewell and there was a wee pub in carnmoney and we would have a drink and then down into mossley.
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Post by: CMcG on August 21, 2011, 06:13:39 AM
Was the pub the "Hill Tavern"? (here, missing it's sign above the door)
 
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Post by: sandymc on August 21, 2011, 06:53:35 AM
CMcG
it looks very like it and it name is very approriate for it seemed to be a big hill and that was always a good excuse to call in for a drink.
sandymc
thanks for all the photos :)
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Post by: spacer on August 21, 2011, 07:59:11 PM
Anyone know the late Sam Scott? Mossley Silver Band and hockey club?
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Post by: JimIGS on August 21, 2011, 10:06:51 PM
CMcG
I just spent about 2-3 hours going through your posts and pictures but when I posted I forgot to check if I was logged on and got a message that I was not allowed to be there.
When did they remove the bicycle sheds opposite the spinning room beside the river?
To be honest I don't remember the Scout Hut but then I left the Scouts & Cubs probably in 1960.
I think that was known as the Nylon section, the older folk did not talk about it too much. I think that the Mill bought the land from the farmer who lived half way to Tweedie's shop at Ballyearl.
On the other side of the road from the Orange Hall further down the road there was a bridge over the railway and a gateway on both sides down to the Mossley halt on the LMS railway line, trains actually used to stop there at one time. Further down was Lodge Row (I think there 3 houses).
The grand entrance to the Big House (as we knew it) and the Mill was right there at the bottom of the Manse road. I think that the house was known as the Manse when it was built.
SandyMc-The Manse Road led to Carnmoney, Glengormley, Ballycraigy and Hydepark. When I was 5-6 I used to ride my new 2-wheeler bike (it was my brother's, he out-grew it) with my brother over to Hydepark to my grandparents house (about 3-4 miles, I think).
The Pub was the "The Hill Tavern" (I don't remember it ever looking that well painted etc.
CMcG-when I see the snow in the Orange Hall picture it reminds me of when we built toboggans (we called them sleighs), built in all sizes, took them up to Carnmoney and came down the Brae sometimes getting up the little hill to the park gates.
spacer - The band was never the Mossley Silver Band, it was the Ballyduff Silver Band. It was originally The Ballyduff Flute Band but changed to a Brass band in 1951-52 because we couldn't afford the cost of new flutes (Brass were cheaper). I lived opposite Sammy and Billy Scott and played with both of them in the Ballyduff band (and their father). I also played with Sammy in a band which played at dances from Carrickfergus to Newcastle in County Down, it was originally a 4-piece band consisting of my cousin, brother, myself and Charlie Lough.
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Post by: JimIGS on August 21, 2011, 11:05:31 PM
CMcG-Your picture of Trevor Thompson really brings back old memories. Trevor played centre forward for the Mossley Young Men team which played in the Churches League on a field below the Lodge Row on McKinneys Farm. Davy Hunter played in goal and was signed to play for Ballyclare Comrades team, Noel (WEE Johnny) McNeill also played for the Ballyclare Comrades as well (scored most of the goals with his head, he could head the ball further than most could throw it). Ross Aiken was in the middle of organizing the football team as he was in the middle of organizing the Ballyduff Silver Band.
Your 25-year employee picture, I remember Billy Ritchie, Geordie Hanna (I'll swear he played hockey), Andy Hunter (his brother Davy was in my class at Mossley Primary) and Mattie McIlwaine (I think related to Jock at Carnmoney Church).
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Post by: JimIGS on August 22, 2011, 04:15:11 AM
CMcG - What happened to the bridge which the workers who lived in the Old Row and Sunnyside walked over on their way to work, it overlooked the playground beside the Fennings house which was attached to the school. That is where I practised my tennis strokes against the wall of the Fenning house unless I messed up and put the occasional one over the fence down onto the railway lines. My wife just remembered that the laughing Moore girl was Iris Moore, I think that she went to Ballyclare High too. This also reminded me that there was another Perry girl who also was called Iris, Meryl had shorter hair but Iris Perry kept her hair in curls and shoulder length.
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Post by: CMcG on August 23, 2011, 04:22:16 AM
Hi JimIGS, the bridge I remember is the one beside the school that lead into the Mill Avenue. Have a look at this view taken within the last few years. It's another angle of the church, taken standing at the first house in Sunnyside (ie. virtually opposite) looking towards where the Mill should have been. If you look carefully, you can see that while the front of the church is clearly a new build, the rear looks as if they have kept the old school building.  The bridge is on the right and you can see in the background that the major Mossley Mill demolition / building works are on the go.
 
You're spot on about Iris Moore, I remember her well, she got married and lived (possibly still lives) in Glengormley, she was a frequent visitor to no. 6 The Villas.  In fact, I believe her daughter (Billy and Essie Moore's grandaughter) got married and now owns the house and is living there.  And next door at no. 7, I believe it's one of Harold Burns' children living there (Lorna). The Burns and Perrys were related.
 
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Post by: CMcG on August 23, 2011, 05:37:27 AM
Comparing these two views, the bridge in the left photo just about emerges over the railway track in the photo on the right.
 
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Post by: CMcG on August 23, 2011, 05:45:42 AM
This is what the Crescent looked like in the early 1980s taken from the bedroom window of no. 5 The Villas, where the blue van is, that's where the old Red Row started. You would never know they had been there.
 
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Post by: CMcG on August 23, 2011, 05:51:11 AM
Pointing the camera the opposite direction (towards Carnmoney direction), you can see what was the back entrance to the mill (the non-descript black gate) and through the trees, the big house called "The Castle" where Harold Burns and wife lived (and as I mentioned previously, I've a notion that Sidney Hamilton lived there as well at one time before that).
 
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Post by: CMcG on August 23, 2011, 05:57:33 AM
Here's another one from the latter 1960s taken from the back of the pond.  You can see the new "GC" factory, located at the Doagh Road / Cartall Road junction, in the background.
 
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Post by: CMcG on August 23, 2011, 06:16:07 AM
Here's another photo from the late 1950s of the (I think) a Carnmoney Church indoor bowls event.
 
Arrowed on the left is Mrs Perry, George's wife, of no. 7 The Villas. The other guy I've arrowed is Billy Stewart, who lived in Mossley as long as I remember. I had got it into my head that he was related to Andy Stewart but I could be wrong. My father is over on the right again.
 
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Post by: CMcG on August 23, 2011, 06:35:04 AM
This is the Gatelodge that was at the bottom of the Manse Road, just round the corner from Lodge Row. This view is from a few years back (all painted up - when I was young it was just plain grey render), I passed it more recently and it looked derelict.
 
This was the entrance that the Campbells used when they were at the old house inside the Mill. The gates were effectively locked up for security reasons when the troubles started.
 
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Post by: sandymc on August 23, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
it is great to see all the photos as i have not been back to mossley since 1973. my aunt and uncle had died the last time i was in belfast. but i do recognise some of the places. i remember my aunt and lizzie hamill in the church hall handing out the milk and the free orange juice and i used to hope we would get a bottle for it was lovely juice.
sandymc
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Post by: JimIGS on August 24, 2011, 04:59:16 AM
This is what the Crescent looked like in the early 1980s taken from the bedroom window of no. 5 The Villas, where the blue van is, that's where the old Red Row started. You would never know they had been there.
 
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This picture of the houses where my parents lived when the moved from the Old Row when it was going to be finally demolished reminds me that my parents lived in the Glade just opposite that curve and while visiting them my wife and I took our two girls over to the black iron fence to see the swans and cygnets. We took some pieces of bread that my mother gave the girls and they proceeded to tempt the swans and up they came to the fence. Suddenly my elder 4-year old daughter let out a scream and jumped back as one of the big swans quickly snapped at the bread in her hand and nipped her while taking the bread. She complained that she was hurt but soon forgot her pain when she and her 2-year old sister got to feed the cygnets, they were safer.
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Post by: JimIGS on August 24, 2011, 05:26:41 AM
I am glad to see that somebody else could grow roses in Mossley and Carnmoney where I grew roses in my front garden on Wynnland Gardens.
When I see that picture of Mrs. Perry I can see a very close resemblance that Meryl has to her mother from pictures she once sent me of her son's wedding.
I did know Billy Stewart quite well when I lived there and saw him in the older clubhouse on the bowling green when we played tennis beside the bowling green.
By the way I can vividly remember meeting Miss Anne Campbell through Sydney Hamilton (she was a true lady) and of course Herbie Henshall always had to have a few words for us as he passed on his way into the clubhouse.
Sydney Hamilton lived in the Castle from the early forties through to well after I left in 1968. When I visited the new clubhouse (behind Uppertown) with Ross Aiken in the early nineties I talked to Betty and Harold as we looked at our pictures on the walls.
The picture showing the bridge over to the mill shows the church built but behind it is shows what was the Fenning house, I swear that is the wall where I belted tennis balls against it.
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Post by: CMcG on August 24, 2011, 05:38:16 AM
Now you mention it, I've realised that you can just see a swan over to the right of that picture of the Crescent. Their comings and goings used to be a feature of Mossley and the dam became a quieter place when they and the ducks disappeared for the winter. I always remember the strange hissing sound they made and the warning that all young children got that they would "break your arm with their wing".  The dam used to freeze over the odd winter and foolhardy boys would show off by walking to the centre.
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Post by: CMcG on August 24, 2011, 06:06:20 AM
If Billy Moore is reading this from on high he'll be well pleased because that's his garden I was looking down at! He always kept it well and those purple azaleas were an annual extravaganza.  Wynnland must still have been pretty new at that stage, I knew a Watson family from Wynnland Avenue who attended Carnmoney Presbyterian. I'm just about old enough to remember that when you got to the Hill Tavern and looked towards Glengormley, there were open fields - the first big building you could see in the distance was the chapel. If memory serves, they had just started building Ferndale around then.
 
I don't remember the old clubhouse but I know the story of how it was burned down by a local who perhaps is best left nameless! Likewise I didn't know Miss Nan (Campbell) but I know she was revered by the folk before me, not a soul had a bad word to say. My memory may be playing tricks on me, for I definitely remember when arriving at school over the bridge from the Mill Avenue turning  into that little enclosed yard (beside the modern church and original house in the photo) and the school was a red brick building which had several (3 or 4) classrooms which lead from one room into the next. I even remember the toilet at the back (you had to go out to go!) with the steps up to it and a big green wooden door with a latch.
 
In this photo from the early 1980s (again taken from the bedroom window of the Villas) you can see Ernie Knox tending the grounds round the dam. I don't think you'll remember Ernie, I think he only started in the 1970s. Anyway, the dam is out of shot to the left. If you look closely, you can see some curved roofs behind the bushes - these were old wooden sheds with huge sliding doors which must have been used as a farriers at one stage for I distinctly remember seeing a cart in them, lots of farrier tools (rasps etc.) but in particular an old (horse-drawn) fire engine, quite small - could probably be drawn by a single horse, bright red, with  a few levers and dials and lengths of what looked like cloth hosepipe stored on either side. I always wondered what it was for (maybe WWII?) and what happened to it. In later years one of the Managers (Ken Robinson? An engineer?) kept his caravan in the sheds. There was also a John O'Neill who was I think an accountant?

Also just remembered that Mr McNeill and wife lived at no. 3 the Villas, he always rode an old black bicycle.  Tommy Crawford and wife Madge and family moved into no. 2 The Villas, but this may have been after you left. Also, when we moved from no.8 to no. 5 The Villas in the early 1960s, a Duffy family moved into no. 8. Mr Duffy had this unusual ventriloquist routine whereby went round schools with a dummy and part of the act was that the dummy would smoke a cigarette. The big climax at the end was that Mr Duffy opened an aperture in the dummy's chest to reveal a glass jar of cottonwool with a pipe leading from the dummy's mouth, and the tar in the cotton wool was revolting! Looking back, I imagine it was to put us kids off smoking, at the time, I think we only appreciated the entertainment value!
 
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Post by: JimIGS on August 24, 2011, 09:29:03 PM
... Or was it the little row of house immediate to the entrance to the Mill (whose name I have temporarily forgotten - another Werther's Original moment! Nurse!!!)
 
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CMcG - This little row of houses was called "Bridge End" as it was at the end of the bridge over the railway, I know it well as Bryan and Mervyn Gilroy who played hockey and were in the scouts with us lived in one of the houses. We used to meet up with Logan McKinstry and Leslie Tweedie there as they came down from Carntall and Ballyearl. Sydney Hamilton arranged for us to camp at a Demense in France 16 miles southwest of Paris. I will never forget that trip as we shopped in Paris at the "The Big Store" (name of a movie) starring the Marx Brothers. There were lots of pictures of them sliding on top of the counters etc. while making the movie, but the most amazing thing was the traffic in Paris at the bottom of the Champs Eleysee, mostly the crazy bicycle riders who rode just about everywhere and I do mean everywhere. This is another memory that I would never have had if not for Sydney Hamilton, you will notice we never called him "Syd".
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Post by: CMcG on August 25, 2011, 07:33:14 PM
Bridge End! Of course! And I live only 3 miles from it in Straid to this day!
 
You mentioned Leslie Tweedie of Carntall and previously Tweedie's shop. When I was young (late 1960s / early 1970s), there was a Mr Tweedie used to sell goods in his van. I wonder was he related? He would stop his van at several places in Mossley and you got on and bought your shopping.  Everything from Easter eggs to flour. The side of cooked ham just sat on a plate and was lifted and put into the slicer, the big handle was turned in a circular motion and the slices fell onto a piece of paper which was folded up. Job done.
 
Billy Forsythe was the other van shop I remember, he dealt more in fruit and veg. and I remember from somewhere in the deepest recesses of my memory people asking "what colour potatoes are they?"!!!  To which the reply came "whites", "blues" or "pinks"!
 
Then there was the fish van man, who parked up and used to announce his arrival on Fridays with one of those old car horns with a rubber squeezer.  I used to be dispatched for some haddock.
 
And the boney man, when all the old tat was brought out to either sell or just have him remove for nothing.
 
And the bread van man. Inglis and Milanda (does anyone remember Milanda bread???). Those huge drawers that were pulled out of the back of the van containing countless loaves.
 
JimIGS, Sydney Hamilton was always Mr Hamilton to me, even though a friend of my father and even when I got up in years a bit. But there's one story about Sydney Hamilton that if I've already related it in this thread, apologies, but it's as crystal clear to me now as yesterday's breakfast and it is typical how he could leave you wide-eyed.
 
On several occasions in class, a wasp or a bee would find its way into class and cause a bit of a stir, with us kids trying to avoid it or swipe at it. Mr Hamilton would calm the class and move to the general vicinity of the insect.  After a short while and as if by magic, the insect would alight on his face and he would let it walk over his face while he walked around and said "if you don't harm it, it won't harm you". I have never forgotten this little episode, it's almost as if he wanted to imprint this experience on your brain, and such was his approach to teaching. I only ever had him on and off as a relief teacher when someone else was absent, I'm sorry I didn't get more of him (not that the other teachers were bad, they were excellent).
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on August 26, 2011, 01:31:54 AM
CMcG
was tweedies the shop on the right hand side of the carntall road as you walked up before you got to the mckinstry's house and teenie wee shop.
sandymc
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Post by: CMcG on August 26, 2011, 04:17:20 AM
Thanks SandyMc, I wonder if he did a van round as well? Here's looking down the Carntall Road, you can hardly see the the Doagh Road junction and Mossley in the distance. When you're walking up the Carntall Road, the first thing you hit, other than open fields, is the row of little bungalows to the left of this photo, there's also a 2 storey house at the front of this shot. Was the shop just one of these houses? Or was it an outhouse / shed or something like that?
 
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Post by: sandymc on August 26, 2011, 07:47:48 AM
CMcG
i don't recognise any of this, when my aunt and uncle lived on the carntall road the bus stopped at the cross road after it came through mossley and as we walked up carntall road there was one house into the left and then on the right a row of houses and the shop and nothing till you got to the row of houses where the mckeown,s and hamill's lived and on the other side mckinstry's bungalow and teenie's shop and then nothing till the row of houses where they lived and it was that old house that my mum and dad used to run to when they were bombing during the blitz when i was going up there it would have been the early fifties.
then when my husband and i walked from the whitewell road from carnmoney it was all green fields.
i would get lost now as i suppose it is all built up like this.
sandymc
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 26, 2011, 02:44:01 PM
SandyMc, here's a 1984 photo of the Doagh Road / Carntall Road junction (ie. looking  up the Cartall Road). Is that the big house you remember on the left? - As you can see, there's nothing on the right but fields - could it be that the houses and shop are gone?
 
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Post by: JimIGS on August 26, 2011, 08:14:13 PM
CMcG
was tweedies the shop on the right hand side of the carntall road as you walked up before you got to the mckinstry's house and teenie wee shop.
sandymc
OK folks,
I am the old guy here but I remember that the shop on the right hand side of Carntall road going up was McKinstry's shop, which was a wooden structure but I cannot remember if it was connected to the McKinstry house, I know that it was further up after a farm on the left side of Carntall Road (in the snowy picture but I can't remember who owned the farm), it is times like this that I wish that Ross Aiken was still alive because he knew the area like the back of his hand as well as know everybody who lived there.
The big house in the snowy picture of the Carntall Road was the farmhouse I talked about above.
Now, Tweedies shop was not on the Carntall Road, it was up the Doagh Road on the right hand side going towards the crossroads with the Ballynure Road where my uncle John Anderson and his wife Rachel lived.
sandymc I don't remember a row of houses on the right side, I think that there was some small bungalows after the McKinstry shop and then quite a space before the houses where the McKeown and Hamill families lived.
CMcG - I don't remember Straid very well but seem to remember going through there on the way to the Lisnalinchy Horse Races with my father when I was 7-8 years old, but I could be wrong.
Another van man would have been my Cousin Hugh Templeton the butcher from the Whitewell on the Antrim road down from Glengormley.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on August 27, 2011, 01:03:20 AM
hello there CMcG and JimIGS
i know what you mean as i am an old lady well into pension age  :) :) and memories some time plays tricks all i know for definite when my aunt and uncle lived on the carntall road there was not much else that last photo looked more like i remember but i thought after you passed that house on the left further up the road there was a couple of little houses and a wee shop on the right facing the road and then further up after more fields was mckinstry's and the little  shop and facing that going in from the road was where the hamill's and mckeown's lived. i remember being told that stephen boyd ( the movie star ) was born in one of them.
then on up with nothing in between that i can re call was a row of about six houses that my aunt and uncle lived until they moved to lodge row.
i have'nt been in belfast for twenty years since both sets of parents died i dont suppose i would recognise much of it.
sandymc
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 27, 2011, 06:00:10 AM
JimIGS and SandyMc, here's two shots of my siblings just outside Mossley. The photos are annotated "Ballyearl 1960".
 
The top one clearly shows them walking along the Doagh Road away from Mossley (you can see the Mill Chimney in the background, a house at the Mossley crossroads (where the GC factory was subsequently built). Carntall road is out of shot to the left. You can also just about make out a dark shape in the very background which may be Old Row / the School.
 
The bottom photo shows them returning again with the lickable evidence of a shopping excursion clearly in their hands!  :)
 
So whether Tweedies or not I don't know, but this definitely indicates that there was a shop out Ballyearl direction in 1960. Today as you head out that direction, about half a mile out of Mossley you come to a collection of about a dozen houses / bungalows (which look oldish) and a little row of terrace houses called Ashley Row - do you remember that?
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 27, 2011, 06:17:40 AM
SandyMc, hopefully these 3 shots might mean something. This is looking up the Carntall Road as it is now. On the left is the McKinstry bungalow - you may not recognise it as it looks as if it was built around the early 1970s to replace the house was there, however that is the "Buttons and Bows" shop you can see beside it.
 
Virtually opposite is a row of houses accesible via a lane running off the Carntall Road. Partially obsuring them to the right are a few old pigeon lofts.
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 27, 2011, 06:21:14 AM
Here's looking at the row of houses end on from the Carntall Road (ie. standing at the shop and looking directly across the road).
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 27, 2011, 06:25:25 AM
And here is looking from the other direction, down the Carntall road, McKinstry bungalow and shop to the right, row of houses directly opposite to the left.
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on August 27, 2011, 07:51:58 AM
CMcG
that is more like i remember the carntall road in the first picture you can see more houses in the distance that would be about where my aunt and uncle lived , the other shop maybe i am mixing it up. i was still young when they moved to lodge row but we still went up all the time to visit lizzie hamill and all the other families.
i remember we used to watch lizzie,s t.v every one loved the edinborough tatoo all the adults on chairs and the floor full of kids and then we walked home and it was pitch black. i am going back a long time now as i would have been about twelve and now i am over sixty.
it is lovely to have all these memories and again i thank you for the photos.
when we came home on holiday from oz they were in the mossley estate and my kids never saw the old houses.
sandymc
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 27, 2011, 10:33:39 AM
"that is more like i remember the carntall road in the first picture you can see more houses in the distance that would be about where my aunt and uncle lived..."
 
SandyMc, here are the houses in the distance, they're at a little crossroads where the Carntall Road, Reahill Road and Ballyearl Road all meet up and there's a cottage / bungalow right at the crossroads (you can just see it in the background). Although the cross roads has been re-developed slightly to make it safer for traffic and some of the houses have been spruced up, this is the same crossroads and houses that have been there in my living memory.
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on August 28, 2011, 10:43:23 AM
CMcG
the first grey coloured house is the one my aunt and uncle lived in although i dont remember the garage, i am working out by my age they would have lived there late forties early fifties because i was about ten when moved to lodge row and then on our first trip back home in 1973 they were in the mossley estate.
thanks for the memories.
sandymc
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on August 30, 2011, 03:56:56 AM
CMcG
the first grey coloured house is the one my aunt and uncle lived in although i dont remember the garage, i am working out by my age they would have lived there late forties early fifties because i was about ten when moved to lodge row and then on our first trip back home in 1973 they were in the mossley estate.
thanks for the memories.
sandymc
CMcG
the first grey coloured house is the one my aunt and uncle lived in although i dont remember the garage, i am working out by my age they would have lived there late forties early fifties because i was about ten when moved to lodge row and then on our first trip back home in 1973 they were in the mossley estate.
thanks for the memories.
sandymc
Sandymc when I see the houses that were way up the carntall road it made me stop and think when was the last time I was up that far, it was the early 1960s (that was 50 years ago) so my memory banks could be playing tricks on what I saw there and where things were. You mentioned that your aunt and uncle had moved up to the estate when you visited in 1973, it could be that they knew Davy and Irene Hunter or my father and mother (Sammy and Molly Anderson) who also moved up there in the early 60s. I know that was the approximate time because after I got married in 1964 I drove down from Carnmoney to visit my parents just about every day (they lived in the Glebe) before I went to work my shift at 4 p.m. in Castlereagh (the ties that bind!).
CMcG do you know if there are any pictures anywhere of the Old Row and Sunnyside or the White and Red Rows from the 40s and 50s at the offices in the Mill. When I was there maybe 10 years ago I was in such awe of the way the place had been transformed that I wanted to see so much I never really looked at the pictures on the walls.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on August 30, 2011, 04:29:24 AM
JimIGS
i dont remember any of the names of the neighbours but i think i have a few photos of them standing at the door of their house , i will try to post them although it will be a while as i am in perth , i have just got a new knee and it will be a while before i get home as i live down in the south west of west australia.
in the photo of the old house up carntall road on up i think there was a farm and we used to go up and get milk and we got it fresh from the cow.
sandymc
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on August 30, 2011, 04:33:06 AM
Thanks sandymc, there is no rush, take care and get well.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 30, 2011, 07:53:18 AM
JimIGS, there's a museum at the Mill now - haven't been to it myself, but looking at the following picture taken in the museum, it looks interesting - especially look at the picture of the row of houses at the bottom of this photo.
 
There's a virtual tour on the Newtownabbey Borough Council website, a podcast and some pictures as well (the tour and podcast take a while to load though). Links at bottom...
 
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http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/MuseumAtTheMill/default.asp (http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/MuseumAtTheMill/default.asp)
 
http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/heritage/gallery_mossleymill.asp (http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/heritage/gallery_mossleymill.asp)
 
http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/MuseumAtTheMill/mossleymill.asp (http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/MuseumAtTheMill/mossleymill.asp)
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on September 08, 2011, 03:46:41 AM
JimIGS, there's a museum at the Mill now - haven't been to it myself, but looking at the following picture taken in the museum, it looks interesting - especially look at the picture of the row of houses at the bottom of this photo.
 
There's a virtual tour on the Newtownabbey Borough Council website, a podcast and some pictures as well (the tour and podcast take a while to load though). Links at bottom...
 
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2wgax6s.jpg)
 
http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/MuseumAtTheMill/default.asp (http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/MuseumAtTheMill/default.asp)
 
http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/heritage/gallery_mossleymill.asp (http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/heritage/gallery_mossleymill.asp)
 
http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/MuseumAtTheMill/mossleymill.asp (http://www.newtownabbey.gov.uk/MuseumAtTheMill/mossleymill.asp)
Thanks CMcG for the links to the Museum. Sorry for the delay in replying but the last 2 weeks in August was rather hectic with our visitors here. Yes, I believe that the picture at the bottom front is a picture of the Old Row after they demolished the houses at the bottom, I think that was houses #17 to #33. The picture gallery was especially interesting as the spinning room was where my father worked just about all of the about 55 years he worked in the mill. His twin sister Jeannie Aiken worked in the Reeling Room which if I remember right was on the top floor down at the end where the bridge over to the Old Row and Sunnyside was. Again many thanks.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on September 08, 2011, 04:17:18 AM
The photo was taken in 1936, here are the names scribbled on the back.
 
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CMcG
I had meant to mention my thoughts of this photo (1936 hockey team). Johnny Miskimmon was always involved the hockey club even when I played in the '60s. I know there is a picture in the clubhouse of the team who won the Junior Cup in Dublin but as I don't have a copy of that picture I can't be sure in Johnny was still involved then. The J. Patton was Jimmy who I believe was Teeny Patton's brother and the 2 Darragh brothers were the stalwarts of the club in the late 40s.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on October 23, 2011, 10:34:21 PM
The family who lived in the farm house on the Carntall Rd in the 50s and early 60s were called Simms, I had to go into the farm yard  for eggs and to collect "Littlewoods" coupons for my Father. They keeped an alsatian dog, and I hated going in at night, as the dog would come up behind you barking all the time until Mrs Simms opened the door. I don't remember any houses on the opposite the farm, however,just before you came to Mc kinstrys, on the opposite side there was a lane, with a with some old cottages at the bottom,(these may have been the homes of the farm workers)  and a newish bungalow at the start of the lane. I think that the people who lived there were called Stewart's. 
 Tweedies shop was in Ballyearl, on the front of the Doagh Rd, Billy Forsyth also had a shop in the front of his house in the 50s and early 60s in Ashley Pk, before he moved to Uppertown Dr.           
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on October 23, 2011, 11:50:44 PM
The family who lived in the farm house on the Carntall Rd in the 50s and early 60s were called Simms, I had to go into the farm yard  for eggs and to collect "Littlewoods" coupons for my Father. They keeped an alsatian dog, and I hated going in at night, as the dog would come up behind you barking all the time until Mrs Simms opened the door. I don't remember any houses on the opposite the farm, however,just before you came to Mc kinstrys, on the opposite side there was a lane, with a with some old cottages at the bottom,(these may have been the homes of the farm workers)  and a newish bungalow at the start of the lane. I think that the people who lived there were called Stewart's. 
 Tweedies shop was in Ballyearl, on the front of the Doagh Rd, Billy Forsyth also had a shop in the front of his house in the 50s and early 60s in Ashley Pk, before he moved to Uppertown Dr.           
Hi artermartin,
Welcome to the forum, as you can see from the number of posts I have made I am another newbie. Thanks for the information, I now remember it was the Simms farm and I remember that there were "Littlewoods" coupons but what they were I am not sure, was it "football pools" which I remember my father doing every week (50 years away and just the odd visit doesn't help).  I always needed to get together with Ross Aiken (my cousin) every 5-6 years to bring back the old memories whether it was here in Canada or back there in off the Manse Road where he and I lived after we both got married. It is funny but when I went up the Carntall Road as a young'un it was almost like going into a different world from down at the Old Row and the Mill in Mossley.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Giannineo on October 24, 2011, 12:15:58 PM
CMcG
I had meant to mention my thoughts of this photo (1936 hockey team). Johnny Miskimmon was always involved the hockey club even when I played in the '60s. I know there is a picture in the clubhouse of the team who won the Junior Cup in Dublin but as I don't have a copy of that picture I can't be sure in Johnny was still involved then. The J. Patton was Jimmy who I believe was Teeny Patton's brother and the 2 Darragh brothers were the stalwarts of the club in the late 40s.
I wonder was the A. STEEL ,A GENT CALLED ADAM STEEL?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on November 09, 2011, 10:14:24 PM
  Hi Jim IGSI was reading back through the forum before I realised whoyou are, Iím the youngest of the Loughranís, but, you may not have known me asI was born in the white row. I would have known you to see, but, I played aboutthe street with Scott when I was young, I think we were both about the sameage.  Did Scott follow you to Canada?  Like your father, myfather worked all his life in the mill, and I spent a number of years in the dyehouse myself.    Littlewoods were football pools, my fatherwas an agent, for them, he would have collected them from your father andothers around the area, and took them into town on a Saturday morning.  My brother Eugene, who passed away a fewmonths ago, was friendly with Ross, as I think they run about together whenthey were young.  Your aunt Jeannie was avery kind hearted; there was always a sixpence or some sweets every time you mether, when we were children. Even when I was older and worked in the mill, andif you were up in the reeling room, (it was the second floor) there was alwaysa few sweets from Jeannie. You were asking about neighbours of your parents, in theGlade in the 60s were, next door Billy Dunn, I canít remember his wife name,Austin Downs (Austin and Victor Downs worked for years in the spinning room atnight, cleaning the frames) Soldier Dunn, and one of the Fennings , I canítremember his first name, but, I think he would have been about your age, (oneof the Fennings still live in the school house) Mrs Hadden  either lived opposite or around thecorner,  Jack Mc Neill, Tom Hewitt andthe Mulholland family all lived opposite. Hi, GMcG I met you in mysisters house a number of years ago, when you lived in Carnvue, great photos,the park in the 60s with your brother on the slide, brought back many memoriesof my time spent there.  You mention abuilding that was out of view in one of your photos, that you think may havebeen a Scout hut, would this not have been what was known in the late 60s (whenit was still working) as the South Mill, that would just have been out of shot,old hands called it something else, but, I canít remember.  I may be mixing it up with another building,but I thought there was an upper floor/loft that was accessible from outsidemetal steps.  I donít know if youare old enough to remember, two air raid shelters at the back of the villas,they were demolished when they started to build the Glade, the field they werein was known as the hay field, one of the shelters was used as a store for thescouts, perhaps some of the equipment was moved to the mill when they weredemolished. I wasnít in the scouts myself, but would have run around withDesmond McC auley and Barry Kidd and others in Mossley who were in the scouts.If you are still living locally there is a path, at thebottom of Lakeview Rd, between two houses that brings out at the gate lodge, (thefamily who lived there, when the mill owned it were called Raineys) there issome of the mature tree, the original paths and the foundations of the stables,well worth a look, before it all disappears.Reading a History of the mill, Uppertown is not mentioned, Ithink there were twelve grey houses and at the rear there were ten of so air raidshelters. You got to the houses by going up the loney, a lane that was betweenthe red and white rows. The houses were to the right and there were allotments onthe left, at the end of the lane there was a black gate that opened to a pathin the field that took you to a cricket / hockey pitch. I never remember itbeing used for matches; I think it may have been used for practice, perhaps JimIGSwould remember better than me. I remember getting knocked unconscious, (wellcoming round) when one of the Scotts was batting, at an ad-hoc  game of cricket, and I was waiting to climbover the stile into the meadow.Hi Sandymac  Iremember Margaret Hamill, Jennifer and Cecilia  McKeown, I think someonetold me that  Margaret  was a PE teacher  in Ballyclare High, but, that was aboutfifteen years ago. Your uncle Sandy was a great man, I remember watching himand George Beck cutting grass with a scythe, they always made it look so easy,but when we tried it, it was very hard work.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 10, 2011, 07:01:02 PM
Hi artermartin, I think you're mixing me up with someone else as I never lived in Carnvue!  But your posting was fascinating though.   :)
 
I found your description of old Mossley interesting, yes I was told there were air raid shelters to the back of the villas. But I never heard of the grey Uppertown houses at all (though the modern estate houses bear that name), or the loney up to them between the two rows.
 
It's funny how names strike a chord and maybe span the generations. Eg. I remember a Billy Dunn did a window round in Mossley in the 1970s, if not before - I wonder if he was related to the Billy Dunn you mentioned.
 
Likewise my brother went to school and hung about with Barry Kidd in the 1960s / 1970s - probably not the same Barry Kidd you remember, but were they related?
 
BTW, a few years ahead of me in school in the late 1960s  / early 70s would have been a Garth Fenning, does that ring any bells?
 
The scout hut I'm talking about was within 100 yards of the "back entrance" to the mill, which was a simple black gate that opened out on the Carnmoney Road opposite no. 1 The Villas, which in my day was occupied by Mr and Mrs (James) Adams, just down from "The Castle" formerly occupied by Sydney Hamilton but lived in during my younger years by Harold Burns and family. When you went in the back entrance to the mill, there was a small field to your left across which were some wooden sheds with a curved roof and sliding doors - if you stood in front of these sheds, the scout hut was to the right about 50 yards away, a single storey red brick building.
 
I went for a walk down the new "Lakeview" development and saw what of the mill remained last summer.  The Gate Lodge onto the Manse Road is still there but there was precious little else... the stables had gone, the house where the Campbells stayed had gone, the gardens with the mature trees and fruit and vegetables had gone.  Oh, how times have changed...
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on November 11, 2011, 06:24:36 AM
hello artermartin
i spent all my school holidays in mossley staying with my uncle sandy ( after who i am named i am alexandra )and aunt nonie we all called her nonie i dont know why as her name was frances, and playing with margaret and cecilia who also went to graymount school same time as me. good and happy memories.
sandymc
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 12, 2011, 03:33:28 AM
  Hi Jim IGSI was reading back through the forum before I realised whoyou are, Iím the youngest of the Loughranís, but, you may not have known me asI was born in the white row. I would have known you to see, but, I played aboutthe street with Scott when I was young, I think we were both about the sameage.  Did Scott follow you to Canada?  Like your father, myfather worked all his life in the mill, and I spent a number of years in the dyehouse myself.    Littlewoods were football pools, my fatherwas an agent, for them, he would have collected them from your father andothers around the area, and took them into town on a Saturday morning.  My brother Eugene, who passed away a fewmonths ago, was friendly with Ross, as I think they run about together whenthey were young.  Your aunt Jeannie was avery kind hearted; there was always a sixpence or some sweets every time you mether, when we were children. Even when I was older and worked in the mill, andif you were up in the reeling room, (it was the second floor) there was alwaysa few sweets from Jeannie. You were asking about neighbours of your parents, in theGlade in the 60s were, next door Billy Dunn, I canít remember his wife name,Austin Downs (Austin and Victor Downs worked for years in the spinning room atnight, cleaning the frames) Soldier Dunn, and one of the Fennings , I canítremember his first name, but, I think he would have been about your age, (oneof the Fennings still live in the school house) Mrs Hadden  either lived opposite or around thecorner,  Jack Mc Neill, Tom Hewitt andthe Mulholland family all lived opposite. Hi, GMcG I met you in mysisters house a number of years ago, when you lived in Carnvue, great photos,the park in the 60s with your brother on the slide, brought back many memoriesof my time spent there.  You mention abuilding that was out of view in one of your photos, that you think may havebeen a Scout hut, would this not have been what was known in the late 60s (whenit was still working) as the South Mill, that would just have been out of shot,old hands called it something else, but, I canít remember.  I may be mixing it up with another building,but I thought there was an upper floor/loft that was accessible from outsidemetal steps.  I donít know if youare old enough to remember, two air raid shelters at the back of the villas,they were demolished when they started to build the Glade, the field they werein was known as the hay field, one of the shelters was used as a store for thescouts, perhaps some of the equipment was moved to the mill when they weredemolished. I wasnít in the scouts myself, but would have run around withDesmond McC auley and Barry Kidd and others in Mossley who were in the scouts.If you are still living locally there is a path, at thebottom of Lakeview Rd, between two houses that brings out at the gate lodge, (thefamily who lived there, when the mill owned it were called Raineys) there issome of the mature tree, the original paths and the foundations of the stables,well worth a look, before it all disappears.Reading a History of the mill, Uppertown is not mentioned, Ithink there were twelve grey houses and at the rear there were ten of so air raidshelters. You got to the houses by going up the loney, a lane that was betweenthe red and white rows. The houses were to the right and there were allotments onthe left, at the end of the lane there was a black gate that opened to a pathin the field that took you to a cricket / hockey pitch. I never remember itbeing used for matches; I think it may have been used for practice, perhaps JimIGSwould remember better than me. I remember getting knocked unconscious, (wellcoming round) when one of the Scotts was batting, at an ad-hoc  game of cricket, and I was waiting to climbover the stile into the meadow.Hi Sandymac  Iremember Margaret Hamill, Jennifer and Cecilia  McKeown, I think someonetold me that  Margaret  was a PE teacher  in Ballyclare High, but, that was aboutfifteen years ago. Your uncle Sandy was a great man, I remember watching himand George Beck cutting grass with a scythe, they always made it look so easy,but when we tried it, it was very hard work.
Whoooo! artermartin,
Reading through your many memories of Mossley had me still thinking about people, things and places for the past 2 days, which reminds me, sorry for the delay in replying. I have been trying to remember which house in the Old Row you lived in, I generally couldn't get any farther than #18 the Anderson/Aiken household as if it wasn't my granny it was Aunt Jeanie who collared me for something or other. And then of course, if my Uncle Clark was home he got into the act as well, my life wasn't my own when I was a youngster.
The one thing that I have talked about for the past 50-60 years was your dad every night after he got his tea, going past our house on his way to the chapel up past Abernethy's grocery shop and The Hill Tavern pub in Carnmoney. That man never failed 5 nights a week and 2-3 times on Saturday and Sunday, there are not too many who could do that amount of walking these days. I considered myself reasonably fit up until I left Ireland and came to Canada considering that I had played football all day in the playground behind the Old Row, played rugby at Ballyclare High, tennis for 4-5 hours a day in the summer (some cricked too), thanks to Sydney Hamilton pushing me until I was Tennis Club champion (Mossley folk really owed Sydney lots and lots as he did soooo much for the village), football on Saturday behind Geordie McKinney's farm until I wrecked up my back, so I then played hockey behind Uppertown (YES CMcG there was an Uppertown up the wee lane between the Red and White Row). Then we moved to the new clubhouse up at the park (my wife and I played badminton there), where they tried to build a real fancy hockey pitch with special drains, but they [censored] it up because there was too much clay which they didn't clear away before they put a little bit of soil and then spread the grass seed on it. Boy was that a real bog to play on, the Brickhill was much better but they were building new houses there. All of that activity in my life but your father beat me hands down as far as being fit especially as I got older, I would have been passing the park as he was passing Abernethys.
Sorry to hear that your brother Eugene passed a few months ago, I think that he was more about my age (75 coming up next March), maybe I'm wrong but I seem to think that you had another brother who was older than Eugene?
You mentioned about Jeannie Aiken being kind hearted and giving you sweeties and stuff, one of the things I also remember was the sharp edge of her tongue at times, but there also was a hellovalot of good times to remember as well. I had forgotten Austin and Victor Downs, but I couldn't forget Billy and Soldier Dunn, the Fennings were Alan and Beryl (who was a real gorgeous girl) who lived in the schoolhouse overlooking the railway which had the big black iron fence we had to climb over and search through the long grass for the ball when we kicked or headed it over, remember (put it over, then climb over and get it cause you touched it last). Jack McNeill I remember well as he was a drummer in the Ballyduff Silver Band that I played in for nearly 20 years, joined at 9 years old to learn how to play a flute and then learn to play a cornet about 5-6 years later. Talking about the McNeills, did Des McNeill stay in the police, I lost track of both him and wee Noel (wee Johnnie as they called him, boy could he head a ball, he was deadly from anywhere 10 yards out). While I am on Sunnyside there were the Graham family Nellie & Annie, Paddy & Daucie and their mother who was one real nice lady. My wife and I have talked quite a bit about times past and people, but we didn't have cameras like recent years, our family had a Kodak box camera that you had to squint into and try to get everybody in the picture. I have a lot of other memories of other people and things that I perhaps can drag out of this old failing memory of mine but it is time for a coffee and a little single malt on the side so I'll quit until tomorrow, wait a minute that's the wrong way round, the scotch comes 1st.
Jim

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 12, 2011, 06:10:15 AM
 
JimIGS, isn't it funny how things come round full circle, here's an extract from the Mossley Hockey Club website mentioning how they have built a state of the art synthetic pitch back down in Mossley near the railway track in what is called the 'Glade'.
 
"Mossley Hockey Club was formed in 1929 following a meeting of employees of Henry Campbells, Mossley. A few friendly matches were played including several against near neighbours East Antrim. The original ground was opened by Cliftonville, the top team at that time, and included quite a few players who had played for Ulster and Ireland. Gradually more experienced players joined the Club and it began competing in Junior Hockey. Regular league matches were played against Clubs such as Parkview, Crossgar and Duncraig from Cullybackey.
In 1952 the first International honour came to Mossley when Bryan Gilroy was chosen to play for Ireland.
The Burns family always played a leading role in Mossley, and when Harry Burns Jnr made his debut in the First XI in 1969 a new era had arrived. He became the mainstay of the Mossley defence and was the second member of the Club to gain full International honours, in 1978. He toured Australia in 1979 as a regular member of the team. In 1973 Mossley made a second appearance in the Kirk Cup Final, losing to Lisnagarvey after a replay. Two Anderson Cup Final appearances followed that success, and in 1982 the Club won the British Club Championship in the Isle of Man. This was followed in 1983 by a third Kirk Cup Final appearance, again against Lisnagarvey. On this occasion Mossley won 2-0, inspired by the brilliance of Paul Cooke. Shortly afterwards, to no one's surprise, Paul Cooke made his first appearance in the Irish Squad, along with two other Club members David Gordon and Richard Willis.
Another International honour worth noting is that of Harry McNeill, a successful manager of the Ireland team. Off the field Derek Watt was an able Ulster Branch President in 1985, as was Bertie Moore in 2006 and both brought honour to the Club by their service to the Branch.

The present site at The Glade was purchased in 1984, and in 1991 the Club installed a synthetic sand based surface. In 2004 the club installed a new state of the art water based synthetic surface. Shortly after work began on a new two tier clubhouse and changing facility which opened in December 2007 giving Mossley Hockey Club one of the finest grounds in Ireland."
 
 
And here's a picture of the pitch, you can see the mill chimney in the background:
 
 
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And there's other pictures of the pitch here:
 
http://www.flickr.com/groups/mossleyhockeyclub/pool/ (http://www.flickr.com/groups/mossleyhockeyclub/pool/)
 
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: headboatman on November 12, 2011, 09:22:49 AM
Had it not been for the foresight of Alderman Billy Snoddy the Mayor of Newtownabbey at the time Mossley Mill would have been bulldozed.

He had the full backing of Cllr's Hollis and Langhammer for the council to buy the mill.  A truly great buy for the country as a whole.

Congratulations to these three councillors for preserving our heritage.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 12, 2011, 10:02:40 AM
Had it not been for the foresight of Alderman Billy Snoddy the Mayor of Newtownabbey at the time Mossley Mill would have been bulldozed.

He had the full backing of Cllr's Hollis and Langhammer for the council to buy the mill.  A truly great buy for the country as a whole.

Congratulations to these three councillors for preserving our heritage.

Couldn't agree more headboatman, folk will only realise the value of what they did in several hundred years time.
 
At the other end of the scale, look at Gilford Mill, County Down, which was once the largest industrial undertaking on the Upper Bann. Faffing about and wheeling-dealing, now compounded by the recession, has left the Mill looking very sorry:
 
(http://i39.tinypic.com/iz2m4w.jpg)
 
 
What a shame if they let it go much further!
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 12, 2011, 10:30:50 AM
Incidentally (and just to digress from the Mossley theme for a moment), given that my father (who worked in Mossley Mill for most of his working life) came from Gilford, as did my mother's side, and I have relatives / ancestors on both parents' sides who worked in Gilford Mill, it is a point of interest for me.
 
Not many of today's generation would know that Gilford Mill opened up a sister Mill in Greenwich, New York about 1880.  Workers from in and around Gilford emigrated in large numbers in the late 1800s / early 1900s to work in what was known as "Dunbarton Mill" Greenwich and they accounted for virtually all of the workforce.  A man called William T Ruddock wrote a book about it and it is worth reading if you have an interest.  Anyway, this in turn "normalised" emigration on a wider scale, with large numbers of County Down folk trying their luck in the States, mostly ending up in the East (Connecticut etc.) and in types of work where they had useful skills (eg. rug / carpet weaving).
 
I have a cousin in Texas who was born in NY and some of her relatives worked in the Greenwich Mill. She and her husband recently visited the site where the Mill stood. The Mill stopped operating as such in 1952 and all that was left when they visited was a pile of rubble where the Mill Buildings had been bulldozed.  Imagine the surprise I had to receive through the post a few weeks back, within a carefully built wooden frame, a 3/4 inch slither of a brick from the main manufacturing building of Dunbarton Mill in Greenwich, NY.  My cousin's husband must have cut it with some sort of special saw / grinder.
 
And here it is, a piece of Dunbarton Mill, no, not from Gilford County Down, but from the sister Mill in Greenwich, New York.
 
 
(http://i42.tinypic.com/5jwg8h.jpg)
 
 
Sad to think though, that the Greenwich Mill has disappeared and that its sister here in Gilford is in such poor shape.
 
Anyway, back to the thread...
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 13, 2011, 04:48:18 AM
Had it not been for the foresight of Alderman Billy Snoddy the Mayor of Newtownabbey at the time Mossley Mill would have been bulldozed.

He had the full backing of Cllr's Hollis and Langhammer for the council to buy the mill.  A truly great buy for the country as a whole.

Congratulations to these three councillors for preserving our heritage.
I also totally agree headboatman that these 3 councillors did a great job, it is nice to hear about politicians using their god-given brains to benefit the residents instead of like most of the other yoyos who are only looking to see how they can benefit and fill their pockets.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 13, 2011, 04:56:24 AM

Couldn't agree more headboatman, folk will only realise the value of what they did in several hundred years time.
 
At the other end of the scale, look at Gilford Mill, County Down, which was once the largest industrial undertaking on the Upper Bann. Faffing about and wheeling-dealing, now compounded by the recession, has left the Mill looking very sorry:
 
(http://i39.tinypic.com/iz2m4w.jpg)
 
 
What a shame if they let it go much further!
It is more than a shame CMcG it is criminal when you think that this building provided a livelihood for a hell of a lot of families in the past century just as Mossley Mill did for my family and hundreds of others. Somebody should take the Gilford politicians on a tour of what Newtownabbey has done in Mossley, by force if necessary.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on November 13, 2011, 10:00:51 PM
Hi Jim,
       Thank you for your reply, I will get back to you later in the week, as I a owe CMcG and Sandymac a reply. I am only on the computer for about an hour in the evenings, and I still haven't progressed from using one finger. Martin.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 15, 2011, 05:31:30 AM
SandyMc, the 3 sisters were Teenie (Christina) McKeown, Lizzie Hamill and Nellie McKinstry. I tried to scan a photo of Teenie McKeown out of an old church magazine I have, but it was so bad there was no point. I think Nellie and Teenie are gone but Lizzie may still be alive (see below). Anyway, I found the following photo in the family album from the late 1960s of Nellie and Lizzie (if you left for Australia in 1967,they should be recognisable).
 
Lizzie Hamill is in the front row, 4th from left as you look at it, her right knee behind the big cup.  2nd from left as you look at the photo in the 2nd row back (with the hand on her shoulder) is Nellie McKinstry.
 
For info, the man's head behind the left shoulder of the woman behind Lizzie Hamill's left shoulder is Nellie McKinstry's husband Davy McKinstry. And back row, 2nd from left as you look at the photo, is my father.
 
(http://i54.tinypic.com/acd5s3.jpg)
 
I suspect Lizzie Hamill might still be alive - see this link:
 
http://www.newtownabbeytoday.co.uk/community/mossley_wi_marks_65th_anniversary_1_2668728 (http://www.newtownabbeytoday.co.uk/community/mossley_wi_marks_65th_anniversary_1_2668728)
Hi C McG
As you can see I am back looking towards the beginning of this thread and also rather late at night. The reason for this note is that something about this picture has been bugging me for weeks and weeks but I did not take the time to examine it closely. Well, guess what I now know what the bug was, if you look at the 3rd row to the extreme right looking at the picture, that man is Andy and Davy Hunter's father and the guy beside him is my father and then I believe Davy McKinstry whose son played hockey with my brother and I when we won the cup in Dublin. I  was not sure if it was my father until I printed a high res. enlargement, thank goodness for today's technologies. Once again I am thanking you for another memory, I will be showing it to my brother and sisters at Christmas when we get together. JimIGS
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on November 18, 2011, 10:16:00 PM
 Hi CMcG,
 I know that I'm late posting this, I didn't realise how quickly these things move on. Sorry, that I mixed you with someone else, I blame mystupidity on the cricket ball, that my excuse anyway. I think Uppertownwere the first houses to be knocked down, and may even have been demolished; afew years before the new houses were build, as I remember playing in the empty houses, and I think(cricket ball again) I lived in the white row at the time. The new houses were named afterthem,  and Brickhill Pk was named after the brick hill, it was a dump the millused for its rubbish and was situated where the new hockey pitch is, you may  remember a black gate or an opening, opposite the mill avenue and a  path thatran parallel to the river, before they build the railway car park.
 I remember the scout hut now, when I worked in the dyehouse, I would have past it every day, (funny how you forget about things) when we lived in the Glade, we would have used the back entrance for work, as it washandy, and the mill were not as strict with the rules by then.
 Yes, it was the same Billy Dunn, who sadly was knocked downand killed on the Hillhead road, a number of years ago.   Billy worked in the mill and when Michelin opened at Mullask he got a job there, and when it closed he started his window  cleaning business. The Gate Lodge has deteriorated, even more from the summer,it was already vandalised, but, someone has tried to set it on fire, and the  lead has been stolen from the roof.  Itís  sad to see a lovely little house, being destroyed.  Perhaps the council should do something aboutit, a high fence was erected on two sides, but it was accessible from the othersides.   I donít know if itís a listed  building, but, with all the nice architraves, it should be. However, many listed  buildings in N/Ireland get destroyed in  mysterious fires; perhaps itís not safe to be listed here?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on November 20, 2011, 10:38:32 PM
Hi, sandymac,                                                     I could remember someone on the same bus, going to Grayment school; Iwent to Park Lodge P.S. I would have got the bus from mossley (the green bus,as we called it then) and got off at the bottom of Garyís Lane and walk up tothe Antrim Rd. Thanks for bring the memory of Cecilia, itís funny how we forgetthings, and someone mentions a name, and it brings memories flooding back.  Cecilia would have been a few years olderthan me, she would have been going to Graymount , when I was going to primaryschool.You mentioned earlier that you played with Margaret,Jennifer and Cecilia and another family, but, you couldnít remember the name,there was a family called Mcwhirter who lived up the Carntall Rd and I thinkthere was three girls and a boy, and I think one of the girls was about thesame age as Cecilia.   
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 21, 2011, 02:13:14 AM
Hi, sandymac,                                                     I could remember someone on the same bus, going to Grayment school; Iwent to Park Lodge P.S. I would have got the bus from mossley (the green bus,as we called it then) and got off at the bottom of Garyís Lane and walk up tothe Antrim Rd. Thanks for bring the memory of Cecilia, itís funny how we forgetthings, and someone mentions a name, and it brings memories flooding back.  Cecilia would have been a few years olderthan me, she would have been going to Graymount , when I was going to primaryschool.You mentioned earlier that you played with Margaret,Jennifer and Cecilia and another family, but, you couldnít remember the name,there was a family called Mcwhirter who lived up the Carntall Rd and I thinkthere was three girls and a boy, and I think one of the girls was about thesame age as Cecilia.   
artermartin,

Yes there was a boy in the McWhirter family (at least one) who started to play hockey about the same time as my brother Clarke Anderson, Maurice Wilmont  and Davy and John McKinstry, sorry his name escapes me at the moment. Talking about the name McKinstry there was a Logan McKinstry who was the son of the storekeeper on the Carntall Road, there was also his sister Freda if my memory serves me right, I think that both of them were around my age if not older.
I can remember Cecilia McKeown up at the park when her mother Teenie and her sisters were at the hockey practice. Teenie was always very friendly with me as she was one of the original ladies hockey players and was proud to tell me that there would not have been lady players if not for my father. Because they could not afford store-bought hockey sticks my father spent a couple of days finding and cutting hawthorn sticks out of the hedges for the ladies so that they could start practicing.
You mentioned getting of the bus at the bottom of Garyís Lane and walk up to the Antrim Rd. I have been trying to remember where that was but can't place it, in the back of my mind (and that's a long way back) I think there was a Gray's Lane up to the Antrim Road. The problem has been when we were back in the past 20 years we stayed with relatives in Lisburn and drove to visit Ross Aiken on the Manse Road but we went up the motorway. Thinking about it we used to walk up to the Antrim Road using Gray's Lane, Fortwillliam Park etc. generally after going to the Troxy cinema, I can't believe I can remember those names from 60 years ago.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on November 21, 2011, 06:41:59 AM
hi everyone
i remember the name mcwhirter for the life of me i cant remember any faces but didn't lizzie and teenie have a sister called nellie and was she the one married to davy mckinstry and they built the bungalow beside teenie's wee shop another memory come to mind in his younger days my uncle sandy was  a member of the ballyclare harriers and had a few silver cups nd i remember him taking us to the point to point races. happy days. i also loved going to the ballyclare fair. when i was eleven  the gypsy fortune teller told me i would travel far across the sea . i sure did  :)
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 21, 2011, 02:52:21 PM
Hi CMcG,
 I know that I'm late posting this, I didn't realise how quickly these things move on. Sorry, that I mixed you with someone else, I blame mystupidity on the cricket ball, that my excuse anyway. I think Uppertownwere the first houses to be knocked down, and may even have been demolished; afew years before the new houses were build, as I remember playing in the empty houses, and I think(cricket ball again) I lived in the white row at the time. The new houses were named afterthem,  and Brickhill Pk was named after the brick hill, it was a dump the millused for its rubbish and was situated where the new hockey pitch is, you may  remember a black gate or an opening, opposite the mill avenue and a  path thatran parallel to the river, before they build the railway car park.
 I remember the scout hut now, when I worked in the dyehouse, I would have past it every day, (funny how you forget about things) when we lived in the Glade, we would have used the back entrance for work, as it washandy, and the mill were not as strict with the rules by then.
 Yes, it was the same Billy Dunn, who sadly was knocked downand killed on the Hillhead road, a number of years ago.   Billy worked in the mill and when Michelin opened at Mullask he got a job there, and when it closed he started his window  cleaning business. The Gate Lodge has deteriorated, even more from the summer,it was already vandalised, but, someone has tried to set it on fire, and the  lead has been stolen from the roof.  Itís  sad to see a lovely little house, being destroyed.  Perhaps the council should do something aboutit, a high fence was erected on two sides, but it was accessible from the othersides.   I donít know if itís a listed  building, but, with all the nice architraves, it should be. However, many listed  buildings in N/Ireland get destroyed in  mysterious fires; perhaps itís not safe to be listed here?

 
Hi artermartin, when you mentioned Billy Dunn being killed on the Hillhead Road it brought back a memory of one of the Burns family dying on the Green Road into Ballyclare. So sad.
 
Have a look at the following, these are the sheds at the back entrance to the Mill, circa 1981?
 
I've put a red arrow where the scout hut used to be (behind the sheds and down a bit in height...)
 
 
 
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2elzbc8.jpg)
 
 
 
 
Out of shot in the background, just to the right, is where the new Mossley Primary School was.
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 21, 2011, 02:59:05 PM
 
And here's another view of the Mill in the early 1980s from "The Villas" direction, but inside the grounds...
 
 
 
(http://i39.tinypic.com/o797qr.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 21, 2011, 03:03:56 PM
And, believe it or not, I have actually found a photo of the scout hut, delapidated, in the early 1980s, taken by my own fair hand.
 
You can see the modern Mossley Primary School in the background to the right...
 
(http://i44.tinypic.com/4qsxdy.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 22, 2011, 04:35:58 AM
hi everyone
i remember the name mcwhirter for the life of me i cant remember any faces but didn't lizzie and teenie have a sister called nellie and was she the one married to davy mckinstry and they built the bungalow beside teenie's wee shop another memory come to mind in his younger days my uncle sandy was  a member of the ballyclare harriers and had a few silver cups nd i remember him taking us to the point to point races. happy days. i also loved going to the ballyclare fair. when i was eleven  the gypsy fortune teller told me i would travel far across the sea . i sure did  :)
Hi sandymc
When you went to the point to point races was that at Lisnalinchy?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 22, 2011, 04:50:21 AM
And, believe it or not, I have actually found a photo of the scout hut, delapidated, in the early 1980s, taken by my own fair hand.
 
You can see the modern Mossley Primary School in the background to the right...
 
(http://i44.tinypic.com/4qsxdy.jpg)
Hi CMcG
Again thanks for all of the pictures, it seems that the Scout Hut was located somewhere behind the dam. Unfortunately I don't remember the Scout Hut being used by the scouts when I was involved in the 50's and early 60's as the scouts always met in the original primary school at the back of the Old Row, that was both Scouts and Wolf Cubs. The Wolf Cub leader in the 60s was Norman Blair (I remembered another name) who lived down in Lodge Row. Does anyone remember when Sydney Hamilton stopped teaching and being involved with the Boy Scouts and if he retired and or moved from Mossley. Does anyone know when he died as it seems that the Scout Troop must have ceased to exist sometime in the 70s-80s.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 22, 2011, 05:32:26 AM
Hi CMcG
Again thanks for all of the pictures, it seems that the Scout Hut was located somewhere behind the dam. Unfortunately I don't remember the Scout Hut being used by the scouts when I was involved in the 50's and early 60's as the scouts always met in the original primary school at the back of the Old Row, that was both Scouts and Wolf Cubs. The Wolf Cub leader in the 60s was Norman Blair (I remembered another name) who lived down in Lodge Row. Does anyone remember when Sydney Hamilton stopped teaching and being involved with the Boy Scouts and if he retired and or moved from Mossley. Does anyone know when he died as it seems that the Scout Troop must have ceased to exist sometime in the 70s-80s.

Do you know what JimIGS, I'm starting to wonder if this is the ORIGINAL scout hut.  The reason I'm saying that is that my memory of it goes right back to the late 1960s and it was long unused / delapidated even back then.  As I mentioned elsewhere, I remember my father opening it up and walking round the few rooms, seeing little lengths of white rope tied up into knots, lying on the floor, a poster on the wall (I think it was semaphore signals) and some ripped out pages of scouting craft - wish I had kept them now!
 
That wee hut with it's red brick and asbestos roof has all the hallmarks of a 1930s building, I wonder did Sydney Hamilton come along and move things to the School?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 22, 2011, 09:31:48 PM

Do you know what JimIGS, I'm starting to wonder if this is the ORIGINAL scout hut.  The reason I'm saying that is that my memory of it goes right back to the late 1960s and it was long unused / delapidated even back then.  As I mentioned elsewhere, I remember my father opening it up and walking round the few rooms, seeing little lengths of white rope tied up into knots, lying on the floor, a poster on the wall (I think it was semaphore signals) and some ripped out pages of scouting craft - wish I had kept them now!
 
That wee hut with it's red brick and asbestos roof has all the hallmarks of a 1930s building, I wonder did Sydney Hamilton come along and move things to the School?
CMcG I think the biggest problem as far as I am concerned is my memories regarding most Mossley happenings is that when we were kids we were too busy doing this and that and enjoying life so much of last weeks happenings were quickly replaced with this weeks. There are so many times that I wish that my 2 very bright grandchildren could have spent a couple of weeks or months doing as we did back in the 50s and 60s, they sometimes sit in rapture when my wife and I recount our memories of the things we did. A tennis ball and 2 kids and you had a game, today they need a tablet computer or a wireless phone to play a game.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on November 22, 2011, 10:42:23 PM
Hi, everyone.         Great photosC McG, looking at the photo of the scout hut, got me wondering what it was used   for originally.   Like jimIGS, I donít remember the scouts  meeting anywhere but, the old school, I regret not asking more questions when I  was young, (probably other things on my mind at the time) I recall someone  telling me that the flax was dried on the grass at the back entrance to the mill,perhaps the hut was something to do with that.The air raid shelter at the back of the villas was  definitively used as a scout store, I remember going there with some of theolder   scout for wooden poles, and helping carry them over to the river, where  they used them to build a bridge, I think it was task; they had to do for atest.   I had a photo of the bridge with someone  standing on it, I will check if I still have it, and put it on here if I can.    My guess is that the equipment was moved fromthe shelter to the hut, when the builders started, The Glade, they used the air  raid shelter as a store, before it was demolished, around 1963 or 4. I donít remember Norman Blair, was he Lillaís brother, whenI  worked in the mill, Mrs Blair was the cook in the big house, I think  there was a separate canteen there, for managers  and directors.   
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 22, 2011, 10:55:22 PM

 
Hi artermartin, when you mentioned Billy Dunn being killed on the Hillhead Road it brought back a memory of one of the Burns family dying on the Green Road into Ballyclare. So sad.
 
Have a look at the following, these are the sheds at the back entrance to the Mill, circa 1981?
 
I've put a red arrow where the scout hut used to be (behind the sheds and down a bit in height...)
 
 
 
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2elzbc8.jpg)
 
 
 
 
Out of shot in the background, just to the right, is where the new Mossley Primary School was.
CMcG
It seems that N. Ireland has a similar problem to what we have in the Greater Toronto Area (referred to as the GTA). In the surrounding areas to the city there are so many people maimed or killed by either stupid and/or drunk drivers. It is a devastating happening when one of your family is killed on a road, when my 4-year old brother was killed outside our house by a lorry, the whole village was affected and the funeral was enormous. Those were the days when Mossley was a village that cared for their neighbours, no matter who or what they were.
I was very friendly with the 3 Burns brothers Robert, Harold and Stanley who all played hockey for Mossley teams. They were fun guys and if there were any team mates having a problem with anyone, they the first to step in and help. Stanley was also a member of Ballyduff Band in the 50s, he was one of Bass Drummers (the big drum in the middle). He was a real fun guy to spend time with especially in a bar and generally had the whole place in stitches with his stories.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 23, 2011, 04:16:41 AM
SandyMc, the other name is possibly Hamill. Mrs McKinstry, McKeown, and Hamill were well known in Mossley. My late father was a bowler and therefore friendly with Davy McKinstry and Jimmy McKeown. Davy McKinstry even took our family once to the seaside for our holiday, before my father got a car. The woman-folk all worked in the mill, regularly attended Mossley Church of Ireland and lived on each others doorstep a few hundred yards up the Carntall Road just about where the houses run out. Can't remember the name of the shop exactly but it was something like "Buttons and Bows" (the small building is still there to the side of the McKinstry's bungalow). Davy McKinstry is to the right of this 1968 photo of a Mossley Bowling Club competition.
 
 
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2d0meqa.jpg)
Another question CMcG
Is the man wearing the spectacles in this photo Iris Moore's father? If it isn't I will have to start trying to figure who it is. I am a glutton for punishment as I keep going back over previous postings on this thread about Mossley It is not punishment by any means as even looking at the dam with the swans brings back memories.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 23, 2011, 06:21:58 AM
Hi, everyone.         Great photosC McG, looking at the photo of the scout hut, got me wondering what it was used   for originally.   Like jimIGS, I donít remember the scouts  meeting anywhere but, the old school, I regret not asking more questions when I  was young, (probably other things on my mind at the time) I recall someone  telling me that the flax was dried on the grass at the back entrance to the mill,perhaps the hut was something to do with that.The air raid shelter at the back of the villas was  definitively used as a scout store, I remember going there with some of theolder   scout for wooden poles, and helping carry them over to the river, where  they used them to build a bridge, I think it was task; they had to do for atest.   I had a photo of the bridge with someone  standing on it, I will check if I still have it, and put it on here if I can.    My guess is that the equipment was moved fromthe shelter to the hut, when the builders started, The Glade, they used the air  raid shelter as a store, before it was demolished, around 1963 or 4. I donít remember Norman Blair, was he Lillaís brother, whenI  worked in the mill, Mrs Blair was the cook in the big house, I think  there was a separate canteen there, for managers  and directors.   

Ah, so it was maybe just used for scout storage for a while? That would explain it. There was a large, flat, rectangular, well mowed field at the back entrance, just immediately opposite the shed with the curved roof in the photo I posted with the red arrow - I was told this was used for drying, but don't remember what was being dried!
 
I was in the big house several times, I remember Gary Campbell being spooked when he stayed there, he used to hear noises and see things, on one occasion he visited us at night and was quite agitated! At that time (early 70s), he was a legitimate target for terrorists here so he had several cars (all British Leyland - austin, morris, etc.) that he alternated the use of. It was a creepy house at night though.
 
On a point of interest, as I type this I am sitting in a chair that came from one of the meeting rooms in the house - they had a clear out in the 1980s and several chairs and a desk came our way. Yes, this is the genuine article from Mossley Mill house and it weighs a ton!
 
(http://i40.tinypic.com/vy2of9.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 23, 2011, 06:28:21 AM
Another question CMcG
Is the man wearing the spectacles in this photo Iris Moore's father? If it isn't I will have to start trying to figure who it is. I am a glutton for punishment as I keep going back over previous postings on this thread about Mossley It is not punishment by any means as even looking at the dam with the swans brings back memories.

Indeed it is JimIGS, Billy and Essie Moore were our neighbours and lovely neighbours at that. Iris married a Buchanan and to my knowledge Iris' daughter still lives in the house at the Villas.  Here's Essie from one of the other bowling photos I posted previously:
 
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2pqv0hv.jpg)
 
 
BTW, you're right about the terrible deaths and injuries on the roads, it never seems to end. I remember Harold Burns well, daughter Lorna who married a Chiles and is still living in the Villas I think, also daughter Wendy. You know what, I wish I had had a camera when I was young, for I could have taken so many pictures. I can't remember why, but I also remember driving the wee red tractor from the back of the  Mill through the main buildings and round to the main gate area - it had a front shovel that lifted and they used it there for loading coal and removing the clinker at the boilers.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: sandymc on November 23, 2011, 09:01:11 AM
yes jimIGS another place i had forgotten lisnalinchy and is this another true memory a family of jockeys and the sister raced as well i thought it would be grand to race around on those horses but the best i got was my uncle sandy holding me up on one for a wee minute.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cialin on November 23, 2011, 08:28:03 PM
CMcG
thank you for the photos. i dont know if you remember my aunt she was really good friends with lizzie, teenie and nellie and all of us kids played together because i spent a lot of time with them.
i am named for my uncle sandy (ALEXANDER THOMPSON) i am alexandra and my aunt was frances who we called nonie i dont know why. my mum was a mcfall from monkstown and my dad a jamison from whiteabbey.
do you know what happened to margaret hamill lizzie's daughter.
when we lived in melbourne there was a knock on our door one night and it was margaret, she was only on holiday and we gave her a lift to the train station that night.
we left for perth not long after and lost touch.
thanks again
sandymc
Hi Sandymc you mention your mum being from Monkstown,my grandparents and my mother where Monkstown people,Smyth is the name,Annie and Tony Smyth.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cialin on November 23, 2011, 08:32:00 PM
CMcG - This little row of houses was called "Bridge End" as it was at the end of the bridge over the railway, I know it well as Bryan and Mervyn Gilroy who played hockey and were in the scouts with us lived in one of the houses. We used to meet up with Logan McKinstry and Leslie Tweedie there as they came down from Carntall and Ballyearl. Sydney Hamilton arranged for us to camp at a Demense in France 16 miles southwest of Paris. I will never forget that trip as we shopped in Paris at the "The Big Store" (name of a movie) starring the Marx Brothers. There were lots of pictures of them sliding on top of the counters etc. while making the movie, but the most amazing thing was the traffic in Paris at the bottom of the Champs Eleysee, mostly the crazy bicycle riders who rode just about everywhere and I do mean everywhere. This is another memory that I would never have had if not for Sydney Hamilton, you will notice we never called him "Syd".
Do you remember the Duffins lived in Bridge End,i think one of the names was Mary she worked in the mill for years
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 23, 2011, 09:33:33 PM
Do you remember the Duffins lived in Bridge End,i think one of the names was Mary she worked in the mill for years
Now that you mention the name I remember the family, the number of people and things that I had forgotten until somebody mentions them. That is what is so brilliant (a good Belfast word which Canucks don't use, my nieces and nephews use it a lot) about the Forum you get opinions and memories from lots of people about all sorts of things and parts of Belfast.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 23, 2011, 09:55:09 PM
Hi, everyone.         Great photosC McG, looking at the photo of the scout hut, got me wondering what it was used   for originally.   Like jimIGS, I donít remember the scouts  meeting anywhere but, the old school, I regret not asking more questions when I  was young, (probably other things on my mind at the time) I recall someone  telling me that the flax was dried on the grass at the back entrance to the mill,perhaps the hut was something to do with that.The air raid shelter at the back of the villas was  definitively used as a scout store, I remember going there with some of theolder   scout for wooden poles, and helping carry them over to the river, where  they used them to build a bridge, I think it was task; they had to do for atest.   I had a photo of the bridge with someone  standing on it, I will check if I still have it, and put it on here if I can.    My guess is that the equipment was moved fromthe shelter to the hut, when the builders started, The Glade, they used the air  raid shelter as a store, before it was demolished, around 1963 or 4. I donít remember Norman Blair, was he Lillaís brother, whenI  worked in the mill, Mrs Blair was the cook in the big house, I think  there was a separate canteen there, for managers  and directors.   
Building bridges was a tradition which Sydney Hamilton started when we camped at Powerscourt which was or is a very large estate not far from Dublin. I bet there may be the remains of bridges or they could be still intact if the ropes haven't rotted, that the Mossley Scout Troup built in France, Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland. There were a lot of places I would not have seen if I hadn't been at camp with the Scouts.
The first thing that was built which also became a tradition was an aerial runway in a clearing down the side of a hill. The first person down the runway was always the scoutmaster (Sydney Hamilton) and if he deemed it not to be safe it was dismantled and rebuilt somewhere else. That is what happened when we had one of our early camps at Castlewellan, he was coming down so fast that Harold Burns and Mervyn Gilroy had to dive and grab him to slow him down. A man that many boys and young men will never forget.
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Post by: sandymc on November 24, 2011, 12:00:56 AM
hello cialin
welcome to the forum yes my mum's family came from monkstown although it was a long time ago as my grandmother was already dead and my grandfather living with my parents on the whitewell road when iwas born .
my mother was jean mcfall and brothers jim and hugh and sister frances (fanny ) who married sandy thompson and my mum married bobby jamison from whiteabbey.
i remember every year we would a day at mr and mrs vints farm , i think my mum worked for them when she was young.
sandymc
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cialin on November 24, 2011, 10:49:30 AM
Hi Sandymc,i will mention these names to my mum,although her memory is not so good these days,but she would talk about the old Monkstown a lot,she also worked in the mill from the age of 14.                                                                                                             cialin xx
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Post by: CMcG on November 24, 2011, 06:44:03 PM
JimIGS, I laughed this afternoon when the stitched side went on a hessian sack I was filling full of rubbish to clear out the garage and without thinking I used the thread in the photo below to tie it together. When I saw it, I had to take a photo. These 2 plastic reels probably date back only to the 70s, but I've a few older wooden reels of thread as well.
 
The stuff on the right, I am not joking you, you could unwind a yard, wrap it round your hands and pull til you're bleeding and it wouldn't break.   It's no wonder that the linen thread from Mossley Mill made its way into the sewing of space suits in the Apollo space programme...
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on November 24, 2011, 10:32:39 PM
(http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa379/artermartin/?action-view&current=scouts.jpg) Hi everyone, I couldnít find thephoto of the bridge; however, this one was taken at the same time beside thebridge. Standing; Jim Mc Auley , Rodney Larkham, Desmond McAuley, myself, Icanít remember the other name, would it be Higgens. I am useless at names,hoping  JimIGS will know.  I worked nightshiftin the dye house, it was down near the big house, we had on occasion to go tothe stables where they stored some items, and no one would go to get them ontheir own.Hello cialin Mary Duffin moved from Bridge End to The Glade, and only passed away a few years ago.
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Post by: JimIGS on November 25, 2011, 03:59:16 AM
(http://s1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa379/artermartin/?action-view&current=scouts.jpg) Hi everyone, I couldnít find thephoto of the bridge; however, this one was taken at the same time beside thebridge. Standing; Jim Mc Auley , Rodney Larkham, Desmond McAuley, myself, Icanít remember the other name, would it be Higgens. I am useless at names,hoping  JimIGS will know.  I worked nightshiftin the dye house, it was down near the big house, we had on occasion to go tothe stables where they stored some items, and no one would go to get them ontheir own.Hello cialin Mary Duffin moved from Bridge End to The Glade, and only passed away a few years ago.
I know the names (Jim McAuley , Rodney Larkham, Desmond McAuley) but at the moment I can't put a face to them, yet their names are all so familiar to me. My parents moved from the Old Row to The Glade I think 1960-61 and lived there until I believe the late 1970s or early 1980s, they then moved to a pensioner's bungalow in Carnmoney behind the Manse Road somewhere. It seems that after being in the one place for so long the population started moving around in the later 1900s.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cialin on November 25, 2011, 09:33:17 AM
Hi jimIGS,my God,Miss Duffin must have been a right age,would you have known Bertie Jenkins,not sure if he worked in the mill,but he lived in Mossley.
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Post by: hcoid on November 25, 2011, 10:12:20 AM
Any of you remeber the Coids from Mossley or the Mckinneys.....all cousins of mine. I used to go to the youth club in Ballyduff in the early 70s many a night we spent at The Bakery chatting up the local lads.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on November 25, 2011, 11:43:55 AM
Great reading thro this thread and learning more about Mossley. 
 
Remember The Patons  and Teenie really well, my mother was good friends with them, they were all in the WI together. 
 
Have fond memories of Jeannie Aiken who was as they say the salt of the earth, still have the Royal Albert 21 piece Tea Set she bought us as a wedding present and remember when our first son was born she said
"it is as if his daddy had spit him out!" he was soooo like his  daddy having been born with a full head of hair and what looked like side burns.  I had never heard that saying before.  I remember Jeannie calling into our house and my mum sitting cleaning the brass, remember how families had loads of brass?? and her taking her coat off, she was still wearing her apron (don't think she ever took it off) and she joined mum cleaning.  From that day on she came to our house once a month and cleaned the brass with my mum, she wasnt asked she just arrived, in those days folk had routines they stuck too, like washing on a Monday, Family Allowanace on a Tuesday etc etc.
 
Didnt hear about Billy Dunn being killed .  Remember Ashley Burns tho and the incident on the Green Road, Ballyclare, so very very sad. 
 
Hcoid dont remember Coids or McKinney's but only lived there for about 10 years, my hubby knew more folk round Mossley than I did, he was a Monkstown man.
 
Cailin my mum worked for a time in Mossley Mill don't know the dates tho, her name at that time was Kathleen Bingham, would ur mum remember her?
 
 
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Post by: hcoid on November 25, 2011, 02:44:42 PM
The Coids were a Glengormley family but the younger ones moved to Mossley. Was asking my mum about Harold and Betty Burns; she and my father were friends of theirs and mum still receives a Christmas Card from them. My generation of friends who went to Ballyduff youth club and lived in Mossley area were Jim Lynn, Stephen Woodside, Paul McIlwaine and Paul Scanlon. I think Paul went to Ballyclare High school whereas we girlies all went to Belfast High School. 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cialin on November 25, 2011, 03:42:42 PM
Hi Jeannie,my mum is an old Monkstown woman,she might have known your dad,i will ask her also if she knew your mum.My mums name then was Wilma Smyth,she still lives there i have a lot of family still in Monkstown,my grandparents where also from there.I remember years ago my granny taking me for walks round Nellies dam,the White row,the Black row,i even remember the local butcher was called Davey Hill.                 cialin xx
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 25, 2011, 06:00:55 PM
JimIGS, this is after your time, but I noticed this 1970s recruiting advert in an old magazine I have.  GC was the name of the new factory built by Mossley Mill right on the corner of the Carntall Crossroads, just up a bit and on the other side of the road from Bridge End. Haven't a clue why it was called GC, maybe it was Gary Campbell.
 
Anyway, unlike the old Mill, it specialised in the new technology of nylon thread. As you can see from the 1970s advert, there was a steady demand for workers. Oh to go back to those 4 digit phone numbers...  :)
 
 
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 25, 2011, 06:09:03 PM
This is another guy I think is after your time here JimIGS, but others might recognise him. When I was young, Leslie Forsythe ran Church of Ireland services in the Orange Hall opposite the primary school playground on the Doagh Road (they had no church of their own). He would definitely have known Sydney Hamilton.
 
Eventually they built a proper church about 100 yards up the Manse Road from Lodge Row / the Mill Gate House.
 
Anyway, imagine my surprise to see this picture within the last couple of years.   I don't know if he's still with us, but he must be a quare age!
 
He's the one on the right as you look at it.
 
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 25, 2011, 07:21:33 PM
Hi jimIGS,my God,Miss Duffin must have been a right age,would you have known Bertie Jenkins,not sure if he worked in the mill,but he lived in Mossley.
Hi cialin,
Welcome to the Belfast Forum, as I keep telling folks on the forum I spend so much time reading through other peoples postings that I don't get to post my own thoughts. I know the name Wilma Smyth so well but #@$%@ my memory can't put a face on her. We used to walk down round Nellies Dam to Monkstown on Sunday afternoon to meet and chat with the Monkstown girls when I was 15-16. In fact somewhere in my collection of old photos I have one of what was a very early girlfriend who was a Hewitt, a cute little blonde girl, maybe sometime this winter I can get those pictures out and post that one on the forum.
Jeannie, you must have known my aunt Jeannie Aiken well as you describe her so well. I think she knew everybody from Whiteabbey to Glengormley, in fact when we all got together on a Sunday for tea, a slice of ham, lettuce, tomato and boiled egg and fresh bread that Jeannie got on her weekly Saturday trip to Belfast. I can remember a holiday all of our families went somewhere there were wooden cottages and we also took a couple of tents we borrowed from the Boy Scouts. I think we all got about 4-5 hours sleep at night with the parties where the stories flowed until way after midnight (along with some other stuff). When you mention how Jeannie just showed up at your house with no previous arrangement, that happened all the time in those days. But as you say the visitor just sat down and cleaned or stood at the sink in the scullery washing dishes or pots.
Your mum probably went to the dances which were held I think every month in the Spaldings canteen down the Doagh Road from Mossley and Monkstown. Jeannie's son Ross, myself, Sammy Scott, Ronnie Campbell and wee Davy our drummer played in the band at those dances, the place was a madhouse most weeks but never any fights or any of the crazy stuff.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cialin on November 25, 2011, 09:13:01 PM
Hi JimIGS,thanks for the welcome,my mum has two brothers you might have known,Henry and Kenneth Smyth.You mention Spaldings in your post,my granny used to work there  :)
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Post by: JimIGS on November 26, 2011, 04:57:10 AM
The Coids were a Glengormley family but the younger ones moved to Mossley. Was asking my mum about Harold and Betty Burns; she and my father were friends of theirs and mum still receives a Christmas Card from them. My generation of friends who went to Ballyduff youth club and lived in Mossley area were Jim Lynn, Stephen Woodside, Paul McIlwaine and Paul Scanlon. I think Paul went to Ballyclare High school whereas we girlies all went to Belfast High School.
It is nice to know that Harold and Betty Burns are still in the Mossley area, they are two of the nicest people you could meet. Betty and her younger sister Meryl played tennis at Mossley for a long time and Betty's brother Will was another friend who played in the Ballyduff Band in the 50s and 60s. Why did the girls not go to Ballyclare High?
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Post by: JimIGS on November 26, 2011, 05:11:45 AM
JimIGS, this is after your time, but I noticed this 1970s recruiting advert in an old magazine I have.  GC was the name of the new factory built by Mossley Mill right on the corner of the Carntall Crossroads, just up a bit and on the other side of the road from Bridge End. Haven't a clue why it was called GC, maybe it was Gary Campbell.
 
Anyway, unlike the old Mill, it specialised in the new technology of nylon thread. As you can see from the 1970s advert, there was a steady demand for workers. Oh to go back to those 4 digit phone numbers...  :)
 
 
 
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I think that the Nylon factory was built in the later 60s CMcG. I know on our first visit back to Mossley in 1970 for Christmas it was up and running. You couldn't blame Gary for using that name for the nylon thread manufacturing, the Mossley name was so attached to the linen threads that it would have confused the buyers of thread too much.
You are right I don't remember Leslie Forsythe running services in the Orange Hall, but as I said in a very early post I was not around the lower part of Mossley very much after I got married in 1964. I visited my parents who then lived in the Glade and I still played hockey and badminton in the winter and of course tennis in the summer at the park.
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Post by: artermartin on November 26, 2011, 09:08:31 PM
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hello JimIGS
 This is the photo that should have been with the text the other evening
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on November 26, 2011, 09:48:25 PM
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Hello JimIGS
                    More Mossley faces, from the mid-70s, from right; my mother, Mrs McAuley,not sure, but, I think she in lived in Sunnyside, is the next along your aunt Jeannie, and the last in the row, may be Mrs Beck, who lived in the red row. I don't know where this meeting took place, or the reason for it. It may have been about Mossley Post Office closing(shops at the top of the mill ave)that would have resulted in pensioners walking to Carnmoney PO.
Looking at the photo, I have only just realised that my father is there, looking over my mother's left shoulder
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on November 26, 2011, 11:13:42 PM
Hi Jeannie,my mum is an old Monkstown woman,she might have known your dad,i will ask her also if she knew your mum.My mums name then was Wilma Smyth,she still lives there i have a lot of family still in Monkstown,my grandparents where also from there.I remember years ago my granny taking me for walks round Nellies dam,the White row,the Black row,i even remember the local butcher was called Davey Hill.                 cialin xx

Hi Cialin - that was my mums maiden name I gave you - she was just a girl when she worked in Mossley Mill, don't know the dates but it was before she was married.  My mum was from Ballyclare.
 
Oh I remember Nellies Dam too, my Auntie would take me walks round there and my cousin told it was bottomless and to be sure not to fall in as I would never be seen again!!!  Perhaps that is where my fear of deep water comes from??  Remember Black and White Rows and Davy Hill's Butchers, do you remember the big shed beside Davy's shop and Jimmy Hagan's Store across the road?  All I can recall about Hagan's shop was the wooden floor and the big scales that sat on the counter.
 
I have family still living in Monkstown, my Auntie has lived in the same house there for over 60 years.  Don't remember any Smyths but there again I was just a frequent visitor to Monkstown, only having lived there for a few years as a child, the cottages my parents and I lived in are well gone.  I am thinking I am younger than your parents but older than you!!! :-\   
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Post by: Jeannie on November 26, 2011, 11:46:30 PM
CmcG
 
Knew Leslie Forsythe when he was Rector of Mossley Parish Church, boy he must be about 110!!!! ::) ::)
Remember Patrick Rooke the Curate there at one time,think he married Leslie Forsythe's daughter. 
 
Four digits telephone numbers - ours was 3914 - those certainly where the days.
 
My father had the first wee Confectionery shop at Crescent Corner.  Our family moved to Mossley in the late 60's and my parents remained there until they passed away.
 
 
 
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 05:40:38 AM
Hi Jeannie, Patrick Rooke was a good chap, you maybe know this already but Patrick, Dean of Armagh, has recently been ordained and consecrated as the new  Church of Ireland Bishop of the united dioceses of Tuam, Killala and Achonry in the west of Ireland. 

Here's a nice photo - his wife Alison is Leslie Forsythe's daughter, my brother was a friend of hers when he was young - also a link to the story with some other photos.
 
 
 
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http://mayotoday.ie/index.php/browse-mayo-news-by-category/life-a-style/item/3507-very-revd-patrick-rooke-ordained-church-of-ireland-bishop-of-tuam-killala-and-achonry.html (http://mayotoday.ie/index.php/browse-mayo-news-by-category/life-a-style/item/3507-very-revd-patrick-rooke-ordained-church-of-ireland-bishop-of-tuam-killala-and-achonry.html)
 
 
Isn't it funny the way you don't forget your phone number? Ours in Mossley was 2994, or "Glengormley two double nine four" as my late Ma used to say in her best Celia Johnson phone voice!
 
I'm trying to remember who all ran the confectionery shop at Crescent Corner, the only one I immediately remember was Mr Maxwell who I think lived up opposite the tennis courts at the park and had a lovely Alsation which once jumped up and licked my face! Or was that someone else - it's funny how your mind plays tricks, even if only over a few decades.
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Post by: hcoid on November 27, 2011, 01:08:57 PM
Leslie Forsythe is still alive and he and Rev Hopkins are both in the Triangle Area (Portrush, Coleraine and Portstewart) Patrick Rook was curate in Portrush for a while, then went to Portstewart. Strange how a lot of folks from the Glengormley/carnmoney/ Mossley area ended up here near Portrush. My Dad went to school with Leslie Forsythe and I knew Alison when I lived in Glengormley (1956-1974)
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Post by: Jeannie on November 27, 2011, 01:56:08 PM
CmcG
 
Thank you for that link re Patrick Rooke, I did not know he had been ordained as Bishop and yes he was a really nice chap.  Knew him before he married Alison - I was a Lieutenant in the Girls Brigade in Mossley Parish and of course Patrick being young and single often visited us on a Monday evening!!! I think his dad was a Church of Ireland Minister down South.  Remember well how distraught Patrick was when his dad died, and how he had go home to help his mum and siblings find alternative accommodation as they had to vacate the Rectory within a certain time!!!
 
Yip my dad was Mr Maxwell and we did indeed live opposite the tennis courts, our German Shepherd was called Radar, he was a beautiful big dog, so gentle and lived to the right old age of 13, we were devasted when he died.
 
My father founded Mossley Community Association - do you remember that?  He ran discos for the young people in the Pavilion beside the tennis courts,had days out for them etc and my mum co-founded Mossley Senior Citizerns Club they met every Wednesday afternoon in the Pavilion a great bunch of ladies  they had day trips, concerts, Dart Matches, games of all sorts Christmas Dinners and a lot of fun together.  I dont know if that wee club is still in existence. Some of the ladies in the club where in Mossey WI together and entered a Play in the WI Competition, these plays where usually written by one of the Patton ladies, I would type them up for them and there was always much excitement surrounding these plays.  Inevitably our brass fender was used in it along with our candlesticks, if memory serves me right their first entry they were highly commended and thereafter they would get 1st place, I greatly admired those ladies and their enthusiasm.
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 06:56:37 PM
Leslie Forsythe is still alive and he and Rev Hopkins are both in the Triangle Area (Portrush, Coleraine and Portstewart) Patrick Rook was curate in Portrush for a while, then went to Portstewart. Strange how a lot of folks from the Glengormley/carnmoney/ Mossley area ended up here near Portrush. My Dad went to school with Leslie Forsythe and I knew Alison when I lived in Glengormley (1956-1974)

 
Wasn't Leslie's brother Clifford, the politician, or am I doting?
 
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cialin on November 27, 2011, 07:12:57 PM

Hi Cialin - that was my mums maiden name I gave you - she was just a girl when she worked in Mossley Mill, don't know the dates but it was before she was married.  My mum was from Ballyclare.
 
Oh I remember Nellies Dam too, my Auntie would take me walks round there and my cousin told it was bottomless and to be sure not to fall in as I would never be seen again!!!  Perhaps that is where my fear of deep water comes from??  Remember Black and White Rows and Davy Hill's Butchers, do you remember the big shed beside Davy's shop and Jimmy Hagan's Store across the road?  All I can recall about Hagan's shop was the wooden floor and the big scales that sat on the counter.
 
I have family still living in Monkstown, my Auntie has lived in the same house there for over 60 years.  Don't remember any Smyths but there again I was just a frequent visitor to Monkstown, only having lived there for a few years as a child, the cottages my parents and I lived in are well gone.  I am thinking I am younger than your parents but older than you!!! :-\
Jeannie i can just about rem hagan's shop,but i do rem Billy Duff the milkman,he could come with the milk anytime of the day could be 11 in the morning or 6 in the evening.My grandparents lived at the corner of the Bridge Rd,on the other side of where Monkstown Community school stands now,the name of the house was Inglebay long gone sadly :(
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 07:13:44 PM
CmcG
 
Thank you for that link re Patrick Rooke, I did not know he had been ordained as Bishop and yes he was a really nice chap.  Knew him before he married Alison - I was a Lieutenant in the Girls Brigade in Mossley Parish and of course Patrick being young and single often visited us on a Monday evening!!! I think his dad was a Church of Ireland Minister down South.  Remember well how distraught Patrick was when his dad died, and how he had go home to help his mum and siblings find alternative accommodation as they had to vacate the Rectory within a certain time!!!
 
Yip my dad was Mr Maxwell and we did indeed live opposite the tennis courts, our German Shepherd was called Radar, he was a beautiful big dog, so gentle and lived to the right old age of 13, we were devasted when he died.
 
My father founded Mossley Community Association - do you remember that?  He ran discos for the young people in the Pavilion beside the tennis courts,had days out for them etc and my mum co-founded Mossley Senior Citizerns Club they met every Wednesday afternoon in the Pavilion a great bunch of ladies  they had day trips, concerts, Dart Matches, games of all sorts Christmas Dinners and a lot of fun together.  I dont know if that wee club is still in existence. Some of the ladies in the club where in Mossey WI together and entered a Play in the WI Competition, these plays where usually written by one of the Patton ladies, I would type them up for them and there was always much excitement surrounding these plays.  Inevitably our brass fender was used in it along with our candlesticks, if memory serves me right their first entry they were highly commended and thereafter they would get 1st place, I greatly admired those ladies and their enthusiasm.

 
What a small world Jeannie, I must have bought more sweets off your father than you could shake a stick at!  Chocolate tea cakes, chewing nuts, Callard & Bowser toffees, Rileys chocolate toffee rolls, you name it. My mother used to dispatch me off to the shop to buy a quarter of this or that and I always ensured that I "liberated" a few in the short journey home.
 
I remember your father organising the discos for the young ones, and I remember the name Patton - wasn't a Mrs Patton a keen church goer in Mossley?  I was in the BB myself, as was my late brother.  The Captain in those days was a man by the name of JJJ Wedlock, I've never forgotten that name, I think he emigrated. Also, there was a decent spud called Frank McCoubrey. 
 
There used to be a man that lived just round the corner from your father who was  a church warden at Mossley, he was called Ken Jackson, do you remember him? 
 
I think I have some old photos from a Mossley Parish "Dove" magazine, I must upload them...
 
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 07:28:52 PM
Found a couple of old slides in a box today and thought I would upload them.
 
The first is Mossley Clubhouse / Pavilion, the one that replkaced the one that was burnt down.
 
Many's a time that I used to take the score from the bowling on a Saturday and phone the result through to the "Ulster".
 
It is in a group of slides from the late 50s / early 60s, so I have to assume it's from that era - certainly, it looks pretty new.
 
 
 
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 07:33:10 PM
This picture of Mossley Mill Dam is dated 1960 and shows my elder brother and sister engaging a swan with some bread...
 
Oh happy days.
 
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 07:44:32 PM
JimIGS, you'll recognise this, again, it's late 1950s / early 1960s, taken by my father, looking down on the interior of the mill. Bottom left where the pipework is, you went underneath there and some yards further took a right to go to the old house and the rest of the grounds. I remember some sort of mini dam / reservoir / pool about there at the corner. The Knockagh is in the background and just off centre of the picture, in amongst the trees, you can just make out the roof of the Orange Hall on the Doagh Road.
 
 
 
 
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 07:55:35 PM
And the final slide is my elder siblings playing near the old Mossley Mill house in 1960.  The grounds around the lawn used to be smothered in daffodils, you can see some of the clumps of their leaves in the foreground, so it must be around May?  The old stables are out of shot to the right and out of shot left are the wonderful gardens where we used to pick strawberries.  The road coming towards front of shot took you round to the back entrance.

 
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on November 27, 2011, 07:59:22 PM
cialin 
 
Billy Duff is still living in Monkstown, think he was everyone's milkman.  Went to school with Barbara his daughter.
 
Don't remember Inglebay although I do remember a bus stop just up past Bridge Road and the MCcrea's who lived down Bridge Road. My Auntie loves talking about the olden days in Monkstown I will ask her about your parents and grandparents.
 
CMcG
 
I was not a member of Mossley Church, was recruited to the GB  by Leslie Forsyth (who knew my father well).  We had moved to Mossley and I could no longer attend my home GB as I had no transport so when Leslie found out he asked me to go along to Mossley Parish, who had just started a GB Company, I have great memories of my time there in the GB. Margaret Hall was the Captain for a long time.  The name Frank McCoubrey rings a faint bell!!!
 
Ken Jackson still lives round from where my parents lived he and his wife Joyce were true friends to my parents.
 
AFAIK the Pattons's were regular church goers at Mossley, I think they have already been mentioned in this thread byJimIGS.
 
I wonder if you have any pics of the GB in the Dove Magazine around the 70's/80's, my wee Junior team often won the District PE Competition, I know we had our pics taken for the East Antrim Times.
 
 
 
 
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Post by: Jeannie on November 27, 2011, 08:02:37 PM
CMcG
 
Great pics, but obviously before my time in Mossley. :)
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Post by: cialin on November 27, 2011, 08:04:55 PM
Jeannie would that be Jimmy and Mae Mccrea?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on November 27, 2011, 08:18:34 PM
cialin
 
Yes Jimmy McCrea.  I remember when he tarmaced our driveway here, we had to laugh -  he gave us a life time guarantee, :D I am sure he must have been in his late 70's then!!!!
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 08:18:58 PM
Jeannie, I'm afraid the quality of the photo is atrocious, but at least you can read the narrative:
 
 
 
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 08:26:11 PM
Again, this is dreadful quality, but for anyone from Mossley in the 1970s, here's the 14th Newtownabbey Boys Brigade attached to Mossley Parish Church. In the top photo, Leslie Forsythe is front centre, Captain Wedlock is to his right as you look at the photo, Frank McCoubrey to the left, my brother beside Frank McCoubrey.
 
 
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on November 27, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
Ah fame at last, I am the Mrs J Reid mentioned in the article, don't remember seeing this before tho :-\ :-\
 
Thank you for posting it. :)
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 08:34:29 PM
The first Vestry of Mossley Parish Church:
 
 
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Fourth from right in the back row is Mr Grimason, who lived in the new estate, Mossley, down at the primary school. I remember his wife Etta played the organ on and off for the church...
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 08:36:38 PM
Ah fame at last, I am the Mrs J Reid mentioned in the article, don't remember seeing this before tho :-\ :-\
 
Thank you for posting it. :)

I think this was a special version of the "Dove" to celebrate 10 years...
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 08:45:29 PM
And finally, the Mossley Parish choir.
 
I think that may be Etta Grimason third from right in the back row, though I can't be sure because of the quality.
 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on November 27, 2011, 08:46:16 PM

I think this was a special version of the "Dove" to celebrate 10 years...

Could have been and me not being a parishioner never got a copy ???   Margaret was a member of the Church as where the other leaders - think I was the only non C of I there and had to be given permission by the Select Vestry to be a Leader and then joint Captain.  Learned more about GB in Mossley Parish than I did in my home Company, loved every minute of it.
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Post by: CMcG on November 27, 2011, 08:58:53 PM
And one final final one before my scanner gives up!
 
This is Mossley Parish Church's Women's Guild late 1970s - although there is no caption, I would be 99.99% sure that Teenie McKeown is to the far right as you look at it. 2nd from left is, I think, Mrs Wright, Mrs Forsythe is centre.
 
 
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Post by: Jeannie on November 27, 2011, 09:07:51 PM
Mrs Harper two up from Teenie beside Mrs Forsythe.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on November 27, 2011, 10:29:27 PM
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Hi everyone, a few more photos of Mossley people, I remember all the faces, however,I am terrible at names. I was wondering what this meeting was about, perhaps it is the pensioners club that Jeannie was writing about.
 Welcome Jeannie, I remember your father in the corner shop, alway very pleasant.  Unfortunately, unlike CMcG, my trips were for twenty "Park Drive". Were there two girls and one boy in your family, or had you a cousin who worked in the shop sometimes. 
 
Hello cialin,  Were you asking about Bertie Jenkins senior, or young Bertie?
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on November 27, 2011, 10:51:47 PM
artermartin
 
In the first photo the three ladies,the lady without the glasses would that be Mrs Bartley?
 
Yes there were two girls and a boy in our family.  From time to time we all helped out in the shop especially round Christmas. My father ran a Christmas Club for toys etc every year and we as a family would help to deliver these toys to different houses right up till Christmas Eve!!!!, it was always a time of great excitement for us and we thoroughly enjoyed it.  The store in the shop was jammed packed with toys etc and the folk of Mossley really appreciated us keeping them there and delivering them.  I remember it was hectic work for my father trying to get each household sorted and then piled into our cars for delivery but he never complained.  My brother did help out in the shop as did my husband.  My father also had a Coal Run in Mossley and my cousin worked for him.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on December 06, 2011, 09:57:03 PM
Hello Joanne Sorry, that I didnítreply  sooner, I was having a lot of trouble with my computer, It's like myself, past the best before date.  Had Mrs Bartley a son called Martin, he was  younger than me, but, I remember him in Mossley, I think the family came fromTyrone somewhere and later he worked in F T Ferguson on the Manse road.  At that time, the mill found it hard to get workers,because of the new factories that had opened in East Antrim, representative  from the mill travelled all over N/Ireland trying to persuade people to come to  Mossley , where they would have a job and possibly a new house. CMcG might know  more about this, as Mr Mc Gaffin may have been involved in organising this.I had forgotten all about the toys in the shop, you and your  fatherís coal run, you have brought back great memories.   
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cialin on December 07, 2011, 05:42:03 PM
Hi artermartin,It would be Bertie Jenkins senior, :)
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on December 07, 2011, 07:24:47 PM
Hello Joanne Sorry, that I didnítreply  sooner, I was having a lot of trouble with my computer, It's like myself, past the best before date.  Had Mrs Bartley a son called Martin, he was  younger than me, but, I remember him in Mossley, I think the family came fromTyrone somewhere and later he worked in F T Ferguson on the Manse road.  At that time, the mill found it hard to get workers,because of the new factories that had opened in East Antrim, representative  from the mill travelled all over N/Ireland trying to persuade people to come to  Mossley , where they would have a job and possibly a new house. CMcG might know  more about this, as Mr Mc Gaffin may have been involved in organising this.I had forgotten all about the toys in the shop, you and your  fatherís coal run, you have brought back great memories.   

Yes you're right, Campbells had great problems getting skilled workers into the factory and I know there was a big campaign to 'poach' them from other parts of the province. In this day and age of everyone making their own way, I remember my father organising the Mill minibus and taxi firms to bring the workers in.  There was a time when any wet spinner could have walked into a job.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cialin on December 07, 2011, 07:40:45 PM
Geordie Herrons taxi used to collect my mam at the door and leave her home again.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on December 07, 2011, 10:14:51 PM
 Hello cialinSadly, Bertie senior past away about seven or eight yearsago. Bertie had worked for ďBOCĒ when he moved into the Glade, he then workedin the Standard and the mill, but , it may have been the other way round, themill and then the Standard.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on December 11, 2011, 10:10:17 PM
Hello Joanne Sorry, that I didnítreply  sooner, I was having a lot of trouble with my computer, It's like myself, past the best before date.  Had Mrs Bartley a son called Martin, he was  younger than me, but, I remember him in Mossley, I think the family came fromTyrone somewhere and later he worked in F T Ferguson on the Manse road.  At that time, the mill found it hard to get workers,because of the new factories that had opened in East Antrim, representative  from the mill travelled all over N/Ireland trying to persuade people to come to  Mossley , where they would have a job and possibly a new house. CMcG might know  more about this, as Mr Mc Gaffin may have been involved in organising this.I had forgotten all about the toys in the shop, you and your  fatherís coal run, you have brought back great memories.   

Yes Mrs bARTLEY H
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on December 11, 2011, 10:39:38 PM
Hello Joanne Sorry, that I didnítreply  sooner, I was having a lot of trouble with my computer, It's like myself, past the best before date.  Had Mrs Bartley a son called Martin, he was  younger than me, but, I remember him in Mossley, I think the family came fromTyrone somewhere and later he worked in F T Ferguson on the Manse road.  At that time, the mill found it hard to get workers,because of the new factories that had opened in East Antrim, representative  from the mill travelled all over N/Ireland trying to persuade people to come to  Mossley , where they would have a job and possibly a new house. CMcG might know  more about this, as Mr Mc Gaffin may have been involved in organising this.I had forgotten all about the toys in the shop, you and your  fatherís coal run, you have brought back great memories.   

Yes Mrs Bartley had a son called Martin and yes they did come from Co Tyrone, lovely family.  My husband and Martin were friends in the younger days.
 
Cialin
My Auntie knows your mum (Wilma isnt it?).  Even though my husband is younger than them he remembers Henry and Kenny Smyth, think Kenny lives in the same road as my Auntie or perhaps he lived there at one time, it is difficult for me to keep up with my Auntie and husband once they start to reminise about old Monkstown.  I am sure your mum will know who my Auntie is.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on December 12, 2011, 01:48:18 AM
Hello cialinSadly, Bertie senior past away about seven or eight yearsago. Bertie had worked for ďBOCĒ when he moved into the Glade, he then workedin the Standard and the mill, but , it may have been the other way round, themill and then the Standard.
Hi artermartin,
My apologies, I have not been posting very much in the past 2-3 weeks as we had forgotten just how much we miss our daughter since she bought her house about a year ago and is not at my right hand the way she used to be. fact is there are a number of things like putti9ng up lights which she did with her apprentice either holding the ladder or handing up to her because heights and the old guy don't agree. Talking about old guys what is this nonsense about you being past the best before date, you're only one of the young'uns as the Duke (John Wayne) used to say.
Now I have a few questions to ask in the hopes that you can help me, "Did you know the Graham family who lived at the bottom end of Sunnyside"? They were great friends of mine as I grew up in my early years, in fact John Graham went over to London and learned how to become a chef and when he came home to visit he actually showed me how to bake things including a Christmas cake for my family one of the years. Another episode was when Paddy and Daucey and about 5-6 of my friends and I were actually taken to court in Whiteabbey because we dis-assembled a trailer which had been stuck in the middle of a field on the Carrick Road for about 10 years which was on the way down to Monkstown so that we could build a real good hut. The folks who had a wee sweetie shop towards the top of Sunnyside let the police know the names of the "Mossley Indians", we were fined 9 shillings and 4 pence each, we (the Graham boys and I) sure as hell did'nt buy any sweeties in that shop again. Just another couple of stories from the 1940s, I was 9 years old at that time.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: artermartin on December 15, 2011, 10:36:22 PM
Hello JimIGS I remember the Graham family living there, but, I donít much  about them.  The only thing I remember  was that in the late 50s or early 60s, there was a yellow sport car at the back  of their house that I think belonged to Paddy; I donít think that it ever went  anywhere, as I donít recall ever seeing it on the road. Like most young boys wewere very interested in the sports car and it was great to be allowed to sit in  it, however, thinking back Iím not sure that there were any seats and those we  sat on were lemonade crates. I didnít get time to answer your earlier postings, thank youfor your kind words about my father; he was very dedicated to his faith, hail,rain, or snow he walked up that hill to the chapel. You were asking me about myother brother John, he was the oldest and raced bicycles when he lived inMossley, he was a bricklayer and then joined the army in the early 60s and servedin for thirty year.  He has lived in Englandsince leaving the army; he is seventy six now, and like you, his memories of Mossleyare based around the time are family lived in the old row. I will try and gethim to get on this site, as I sure you and he would have a few shared memories.
Was the lady with the hat in colour photo I posted your Aunt Jeannie?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on December 22, 2011, 01:24:18 AM
Hello JimIGS I remember the Graham family living there, but, I donít much  about them.  The only thing I remember  was that in the late 50s or early 60s, there was a yellow sport car at the back  of their house that I think belonged to Paddy; I donít think that it ever went  anywhere, as I donít recall ever seeing it on the road. Like most young boys wewere very interested in the sports car and it was great to be allowed to sit in  it, however, thinking back Iím not sure that there were any seats and those we  sat on were lemonade crates. I didnít get time to answer your earlier postings, thank youfor your kind words about my father; he was very dedicated to his faith, hail,rain, or snow he walked up that hill to the chapel. You were asking me about myother brother John, he was the oldest and raced bicycles when he lived inMossley, he was a bricklayer and then joined the army in the early 60s and servedin for thirty year.  He has lived in Englandsince leaving the army; he is seventy six now, and like you, his memories of Mossleyare based around the time are family lived in the old row. I will try and gethim to get on this site, as I sure you and he would have a few shared memories.
Was the lady with the hat in colour photo I posted your Aunt Jeannie?
Yes artermartin that looks like my aunt Jeannie, I sold Apple computers after the typesetting industry died in late 1991 and my wife and I lost what we thought would be the business we could retire with. In 1991 a lot of people in the Graphics industry (Advertising Agencies and their Designers) decided that they could use Apple computers with Quark Xpress software to produce what the typesetting industry did for about 100 years, the quality was terrible but they made do with Ads which looked like hell because they were learning on the job, I could write a book about it but what is the point, when you get knocked down you get back up, hold your head as high as you can and try to make a living.
After about a year or so we made contact with a English friend and decided to learn about these Apple computers and perhaps start another career selling them. I was about to drag and drop the picture you put on the thread and sent a copy to my sister here in Toronto as she visited Jeannie and her daughter Beryl more recently than I had, she confirmed that it was Jeannie and one of her famous hats.
I somehow knew that you had another brother about my age, glad to hear that he made a new life in the army, my wife's 2 brothers also spent a lot of years in the army, in fact one of them was a Sargent Major and just retired about 5 years ago, the other one took early retirement before that some time (can't remember his rank).
After Christmas when I get some free time to search through my old photographs I will try to put some up on this thread, maybe you will see somebody you recognize. Better go as I want to go get gas before the price goes up 2-3 cents per litre and it is almost 8:30 p.m., stay in touch.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on December 26, 2011, 11:31:39 PM
Hello JimIGS I remember the Graham family living there, but, I donít much  about them.  The only thing I remember  was that in the late 50s or early 60s, there was a yellow sport car at the back  of their house that I think belonged to Paddy; I donít think that it ever went  anywhere, as I donít recall ever seeing it on the road. Like most young boys wewere very interested in the sports car and it was great to be allowed to sit in  it, however, thinking back Iím not sure that there were any seats and those we  sat on were lemonade crates. I didnít get time to answer your earlier postings, thank youfor your kind words about my father; he was very dedicated to his faith, hail,rain, or snow he walked up that hill to the chapel. You were asking me about myother brother John, he was the oldest and raced bicycles when he lived inMossley, he was a bricklayer and then joined the army in the early 60s and servedin for thirty year.  He has lived in Englandsince leaving the army; he is seventy six now, and like you, his memories of Mossleyare based around the time are family lived in the old row. I will try and gethim to get on this site, as I sure you and he would have a few shared memories.
Was the lady with the hat in colour photo I posted your Aunt Jeannie?
HI Artermartin,
In the middle of our family Christmas dinner with my brother and sisters and their families yesterday when someone asked me what news did I have. I mentioned my updates on tracing my family tree in the past 3 months and about the pictures I had copied from the BF streams about Mossley Mill, the Hockey Club and the folks who lived in the Old Row, Sunnyside and also what I call the new houses around the dam (as I never lived there I can never remember what it was called, but I am quickly reminded by the younger members of the family that is is The Glade). I then said that I had made contact with someone who never lived in the Old Row but his older family members did, I started the long story of the postings I had got on the BF and the families I had contacted. I had no sooner mention John and Eugene and their younger brother who I never met than my young brother who is 60 years old said "next time you hear from him mention the guy who he went to Blackpool with plus about 9 others (like Noel McWhirter, Brian Hamill, and my brother whose name is  Clark, he said you would remember him), I made him write out his email address which I will send to you when I remember how to send a PM to you, there is no point in him giving me information for you as my memory is not good enough to be a go-between and he said you and he had a lot of catching up to do as the only person he sees when he is around Mossley is Maurice Wilmont. I will post this and get to other news later tonight, I figure that this is #1 on the important list.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on December 27, 2011, 04:51:54 AM
I have been trying to send a personal message to you for the past 20-25 minutes but like all so-called simple things I can't make the damned thing work for me, anyway, if you can send me a personal message I will reply to it, I think that I can make that work. There are really times that I hate computer systems and this is one of them, I was able to send one to Patsy Ann about 3 months ago, maybe it was too much wine or Plum Duff yesterday.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: GC on January 03, 2012, 10:00:35 PM
Ive enjoyed reading all these posts and seeing the photo of Mossley Primary School as i knew it,prior to the building thats there now,when Mr Cooke was principal.My dad and grandparents(Creighton)who have sadly passed away now were good friends of Ross Aikens and Betty Burns who have been mentioned in previous posts.
I used to live in Ashley Park and not long after we moved in,a man who was visiting from Australia called and explained that his relatives had at one point lived in our house.He explained that it had once been a shop.The photos of Mossley GB and church also bring back fond memories.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on January 03, 2012, 10:50:40 PM
Ive enjoyed reading all these posts and seeing the photo of Mossley Primary School as i knew it,prior to the building thats there now,when Mr Cooke was principal.My dad and grandparents(Creighton)who have sadly passed away now were good friends of Ross Aikens and Betty Burns who have been mentioned in previous posts.
I used to live in Ashley Park and not long after we moved in,a man who was visiting from Australia called and explained that his relatives had at one point lived in our house.He explained that it had once been a shop.The photos of Mossley GB and church also bring back fond memories.
Welcome to the Belfast Forum GC, it is really nice that somebody else is enjoying the posts and pictures of Mossley in the past decades. The name Creighton brings back a lot of memories for me as I spent many hours with a young lady by the name of Anna Creighton  (one of my first girl friends) who lived down the Church Road in Glengormley.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Lyndyloo on January 07, 2012, 11:10:22 PM
Hello, only just found your site.  Its great.  Jeannie my mum worked for you dad in the shop in Mossley everyone knew her as Queenie.

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Giannineo on January 08, 2012, 12:28:07 AM
two years ago I was in the clubhouse at Mossley Hockey Club...cracking bar and that all weather  pitch is excellent..I was in the company of my nephew Martin Scott and his sister Julie Ann, with Simon Burns and the crew...friendly bunch...my nephew played for the first X1 and Ulster -his late father Sam played hockey and played in Ross Aiken's band many years ago.Sam was born in Sunnyside , I think. A workmate of my father also played hockey there..Sam Brown.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Astor on January 08, 2012, 12:39:01 AM
Hello, only just found your site.  Its great.  Jeannie my mum worked for you dad in the shop in Mossley everyone knew her as Queenie.

Welcome to Belfast Forum Lyndyloo, enjoy the craic  :)
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on January 16, 2012, 04:59:24 AM
two years ago I was in the clubhouse at Mossley Hockey Club...cracking bar and that all weather  pitch is excellent..I was in the company of my nephew Martin Scott and his sister Julie Ann, with Simon Burns and the crew...friendly bunch...my nephew played for the first X1 and Ulster -his late father Sam played hockey and played in Ross Aiken's band many years ago.Sam was born in Sunnyside , I think. A workmate of my father also played hockey there..Sam Brown.
Hi Giannineo,
I am trying to get some pictures of the Ross Aiken Bandstand down in Jordanstown which you mentioned in an earlier post. So far, I have got the pictures uploaded and stored but have now to figure out how to show them on the Forum.
You are so right about the new clubhouse and bar and from what my old friends Bertie Moore and Sam Brown told me when I visited with Ross Aiken just before he died, we had 3 good visits during the week we were there but could not get back for his funeral which his wife Liz told us was an unbelievable size.
To get to Sam Brown he and I played on the same team the season before we left for Canada. Sam and I had a lot of fun and a lot of good Bushmills Whisky and some beers over the past 30-40 years in the clubhouse when he and his wife were behind the bar, he always was a no nonsense guy.
Sammy Scott played in both the Ballyduff Brass Band and the Dance Band with Ross and I also with Sammy's brother Billie, Ronnie Campbell and Dave our kid drummer. I wish I had a dollar for everytime I was in #1 Sunnyside with the Scott family, Sam's father was also in the  Ballyduff band when it was a Flute band and when they changed to Brass.
Sorry for going on so long, so many memories of times when life was much simpler and a hell of a lot of fun. I will keep trying to get the pictures to work.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on January 16, 2012, 10:04:00 PM
Hello, only just found your site.  Its great.  Jeannie my mum worked for you dad in the shop in Mossley everyone knew her as Queenie.


Welcome to the BF Lyndyloo
 
Remember Queenie well, she was as they say the salt of the earth.  I don't think I ever saw her without a smile on her face.  One lovely lady who my mum and dad treasured. :)
 
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: RobRoy on January 17, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
JimIGS,

Bertie Moore and I were friends in the 40's and 50's, we grew up together and were in the 95th BB, Bertie played the cornet in the band. After leaving Ballyclare I went to sea and one evening on my way over to England to join a ship and Bertie was with a Jazz band on the same night and told me they hoped to eventually get to New York. That was the last I ever saw of him. Hope his dreams came true. I often think of him.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: lynnie d on January 18, 2012, 07:33:46 PM
my father and mother where austin and dorothy downes , my father has sadly past away but my mother still lives in the glade where they have lived since the houses where built.
my father was born in one of the houses on the carntall road at the crossing to the rea hill and workedin the mill the majority of his life.
my mother worked in tweedies shop for along time before she went to work in the standard but has been working in mossley school since the 70s where she still works even though she is coming up to being 75 this year.
my father would have been able to name everyone and everywhere around the area as he never lived anywhere else in his 71years.
i will show my mum this feed and get her to name a few faces
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: lynnie d on January 18, 2012, 07:37:15 PM
oh and buttons and bows is sadly in the process of being knocked down . i past it today and its nearly all away
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: lynnie d on January 18, 2012, 08:39:20 PM
hi jim
I have just come across this forum and phoned my mum straight away and started to read to her .
we lived 2 doors away from your mother and  father in the glade and she still lives in the same house . She has so many memories as I know my father austin would have as well but he sadly past away 6 years ago there is still so many old faces around the estate but almost everyone other than bertie peake and my mum dorothy downes have past away.
my mother doesnt have internet in her house for me to show her but when she is next over at mine i will get her to log her knowledge down, she never has forgotten a thing about who everyone is
 
Hi CMcG

As you probably remember there were 3 classrooms at Mossley Primary (in my days there the teachers were - Mrs. Frame, Miss Caldwell and Sydney Hamilton). Between the school and the playground was the School House (the Fenning Family lived there). Running the whole way beside the school was the Old Row (33 houses), across the road from Sunnyside (I think 15 or 16 houses). We lived in the Old Row (originally #1 but moved to #16 after the 1939-1945 war as the houses needed to be repaired, they were complete with concrete stairs which my younger brother tumbled down), after the repairs which took about a year we moved to #4. I used to spend hours in the playground by myself belting a tennis ball against Fennings wall, of course earlier years we played football (they call it soccer here in Canada).
As I said I have hundreds of memories of Mossley and the people who lived there, in Sunnyside there were the Scott family in #1, the McNeill family in #3, the McCullough Sweetie Shop in #4, I think the Ritchie's in #5 and further down the Darragh family, the McBroom family and the Graham family (that's not too bad for a 74-year old memory).
In the Old Row were the kids my cousins Ross and Beryl Aiken in #18 (they moved to Sunnyside later), Andy and Davy Hunter in #20 (I think), the Loughren family (no names), the Harland family (Kathleen and Hannah?), the Dunn family (Billy) and others which will come to me as always just after I finish.
Because we all lived 2 minutes from the school we went home for lunch and I think the kids from Upper Mossley (White Row, Red Row, the Villas and Uppertown) brought lunch. That is all for now - more later.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: lynnie d on January 18, 2012, 09:09:42 PM
hi
just a wee quick message , billy had a bad accident on the hilhead road , he didnt die then as I remember him dischraging himself from the hospital and my daddy( austin downes) sitting in his house next door while he took his stitches out ( i think I was only about 10 at the time ), he was always cycling everywhere and he died going to his sisters house on fathers day , he got off his bike and dropped dead with a heartattack
Hi CMcG,
 I know that I'm late posting this, I didn't realise how quickly these things move on. Sorry, that I mixed you with someone else, I blame mystupidity on the cricket ball, that my excuse anyway. I think Uppertownwere the first houses to be knocked down, and may even have been demolished; afew years before the new houses were build, as I remember playing in the empty houses, and I think(cricket ball again) I lived in the white row at the time. The new houses were named afterthem,  and Brickhill Pk was named after the brick hill, it was a dump the millused for its rubbish and was situated where the new hockey pitch is, you may  remember a black gate or an opening, opposite the mill avenue and a  path thatran parallel to the river, before they build the railway car park.
 I remember the scout hut now, when I worked in the dyehouse, I would have past it every day, (funny how you forget about things) when we lived in the Glade, we would have used the back entrance for work, as it washandy, and the mill were not as strict with the rules by then.
 Yes, it was the same Billy Dunn, who sadly was knocked downand killed on the Hillhead road, a number of years ago.   Billy worked in the mill and when Michelin opened at Mullask he got a job there, and when it closed he started his window  cleaning business. The Gate Lodge has deteriorated, even more from the summer,it was already vandalised, but, someone has tried to set it on fire, and the  lead has been stolen from the roof.  Itís  sad to see a lovely little house, being destroyed.  Perhaps the council should do something aboutit, a high fence was erected on two sides, but it was accessible from the othersides.   I donít know if itís a listed  building, but, with all the nice architraves, it should be. However, many listed  buildings in N/Ireland get destroyed in  mysterious fires; perhaps itís not safe to be listed here?
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Post by: CMcG on January 19, 2012, 07:55:18 PM
hi jim
I have just come across this forum and phoned my mum straight away and started to read to her .
we lived 2 doors away from your mother and  father in the glade and she still lives in the same house . She has so many memories as I know my father austin would have as well but he sadly past away 6 years ago there is still so many old faces around the estate but almost everyone other than bertie peake and my mum dorothy downes have past away.
my mother doesnt have internet in her house for me to show her but when she is next over at mine i will get her to log her knowledge down, she never has forgotten a thing about who everyone is
Hi there, I have a photo of  1991/92 Mossley Bowling Team that has a B. Peake in it, is it the same one do you think?
 
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Post by: JimIGS on January 19, 2012, 08:10:17 PM
two years ago I was in the clubhouse at Mossley Hockey Club...cracking bar and that all weather  pitch is excellent..I was in the company of my nephew Martin Scott and his sister Julie Ann, with Simon Burns and the crew...friendly bunch...my nephew played for the first X1 and Ulster -his late father Sam played hockey and played in Ross Aiken's band many years ago.Sam was born in Sunnyside , I think. A workmate of my father also played hockey there..Sam Brown.
Giannenio,
Sorry for the delay in replying I am having a few senior's moments lately when replying to posts on the BF. I type out a reply quote and somehow it disappears when I scroll down to check out something etc. Being an old Boy Scout I now type out my reply in a text editor and copy it into the Forum.
Glad to hear that the Lower Mossley families i.e. the Scott Family of Sunnyside (my Old Row is gone I believe)  is keeping up the tradition of providing good players for the Hockey Club and for Ulster. My congratulations to your nephew Martin from an old buddy of Sammy and his brothers as well as his mother and father. Sammy and I played in the cornet section of Ballyduff as well as in the Ross Aiken Big Dance Band (that was 6 of us instead of the original 3 of us). As you said that was many years ago, the late 50s and most of the 60s, I also played hockey with Sam Brown who has been a friend for a long time since, however  unfortunately we have been out of touch lately.
In another posting you mentioned the bandstand down in Jordanstown, I am working on showing some pictures of it on this thread (if I can make it work) which Ross's wife sent to us last year after it was dedicated to Ross and officially opened by the Mayor and Liz.
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Post by: lynnie d on January 19, 2012, 08:11:16 PM
hi yes it def would be , i always remeber him leaving his house carrying his bowling bag
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Post by: JimIGS on January 19, 2012, 08:13:05 PM
my father and mother where austin and dorothy downes , my father has sadly past away but my mother still lives in the glade where they have lived since the houses where built.
my father was born in one of the houses on the carntall road at the crossing to the rea hill and workedin the mill the majority of his life.
my mother worked in tweedies shop for along time before she went to work in the standard but has been working in mossley school since the 70s where she still works even though she is coming up to being 75 this year.
my father would have been able to name everyone and everywhere around the area as he never lived anywhere else in his 71years.
i will show my mum this feed and get her to name a few faces
Hi lynnie d
Thank you so much for the update on what happened to Billy Dunn, I am not somebody you would remember, I went to school behind the old row with your daddy Austin and Billy and the rest of the crazy Mossley Indians as we were called when we had to go to court for taking wooden planks from a trailer (which we thought was abandoned but the farmer didn't) down the Carrick Road and hauled them up to Mossley to build the best hut ever.
I left Mossley Primary after the 11+ exam and went to Ballyclare High so I lost touch with a lot of the guys as I mostly got home from Ballyclare after 5 p.m. I eventually lost touch with most of my old friends when we left for Canada in 1968 and when we went back to Ireland for a visit we were staying in Belfast with my wife's family and just got to visit my mum and dad and relatives like Jeannie, Ross and Beryl Aiken.
I can believe you when you tell us about Billy Dunn discharging himself and then sitting taking out the stitches, he could be one stubborn guy but he was a good friend to us when we were young. I know that him having a heart attack and then dying would have been how he would have wanted to go (rather than lying around suffering) because he was not somebody who asked for too much help. I was lucky as I survived a heart attack about 5 years ago but it does scare you a lot in fact it scared me so much that I actually quit smoking after 52 years.
I will be anxious to see some of the memories and news that your mother gives to you when she sees what all of these people have had to say about Mossley, talk again soon.
Jim
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Post by: JimIGS on January 19, 2012, 08:18:14 PM
Hi there, I have a photo of  1991/92 Mossley Bowling Team that has a B. Peake in it, is it the same one do you think?
Hi CMcG
It has been quite a while since we talked (in a manner of speaking), I need some help!!
I am trying to show some pictures on the BF and so far have uploaded them to TinyPic I believe.
Now how do I get them on to his thread? Many thanks
Jim

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Post by: lynnie d on January 19, 2012, 08:29:54 PM
hi jim
my mum thinks she has a photo  of your daddy with myself and clarks daughter in the front garden , i wasnt born to 75 so you would have been long gone to canada although my mum doesnt ever remember you living in the house , they all moved in 1964 .she will have a look for the photo and i will post it .
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Post by: JimIGS on January 20, 2012, 03:56:06 AM
JimIGS,

Bertie Moore and I were friends in the 40's and 50's, we grew up together and were in the 95th BB, Bertie played the cornet in the band. After leaving Ballyclare I went to sea and one evening on my way over to England to join a ship and Bertie was with a Jazz band on the same night and told me they hoped to eventually get to New York. That was the last I ever saw of him. Hope his dreams came true. I often think of him.
Hi Robroy
When you say "After leaving Ballyclare" did you live in Ballyclare? or did you go to school there?
Bertie played the cornet in the Ballyduff band at the same time as Sammy Scott and I and we also played hockey together in Mossley, Bertie was goalkeeper for the 3rd or 4th XI. From what I can gather he became the Match Secretary for the Mossley Hockey teams in the past 20-30 years or even longer. In all of the years that I knew Bertie I never knew that he played in a jazz band or that he wanted to get to New York. If you google Mossley Hockey Club there is a link to pictures of the year end dinners and there is a picture of Bertie and his wife Lynne accepting the  Davy Weir Trophy from Davy's wife Sandra and Davy's son after Davy's death about 2-3 years ago, I just discovered the pictures recently.
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Post by: RobRoy on January 20, 2012, 10:36:45 AM
Hi Robroy
When you say "After leaving Ballyclare" did you live in Ballyclare? or did you go to school there?
Bertie played the cornet in the Ballyduff band at the same time as Sammy Scott and I and we also played hockey together in Mossley, Bertie was goalkeeper for the 3rd or 4th XI. From what I can gather he became the Match Secretary for the Mossley Hockey teams in the past 20-30 years or even longer. In all of the years that I knew Bertie I never knew that he played in a jazz band or that he wanted to get to New York. If you google Mossley Hockey Club there is a link to pictures of the year end dinners and there is a picture of Bertie and his wife Lynne accepting the  Davy Weir Trophy from Davy's wife Sandra and Davy's son after Davy's death about 2-3 years ago, I just discovered the pictures recently.
Hi JimIGS,
I went to the High School there, I'd say that is the Bertie Moore I knew, but it is 50 years since I last saw him. Never knew he played hockey, he has a brother called Francy or is this a different Bertie Moore?
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Post by: CMcG on January 20, 2012, 02:59:34 PM
Hi CMcG
It has been quite a while since we talked (in a manner of speaking), I need some help!!
I am trying to show some pictures on the BF and so far have uploaded them to TinyPic I believe.
Now how do I get them on to his thread? Many thanks
Jim

Hi there, JimIGS, what I do is to load the photo on my PC/laptop (typically on my 'desktop').

Then, when I'm on the internet, I'll go into the 'Tinypic' website.

The Tinypic screen will show a number of fields to complete, in the 'File:' field I select 'Browse' and navigate to desktop and select the name of the picture to upload.

The 'File Type' field is normally already completed as 'Image'

Against the 'Resize:' field I select 15" screen (800 x 600)

Then I upload...
 
 
Hope this works...
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Post by: carold on January 20, 2012, 08:03:43 PM
Hi Jim,

I'm lynnied's sister, just with our mother at the minute reading all the posts, they are bringing back lots of happy memories.  Mum remembers your family well, your brother Clark and sisters Betty & Sandra.  We are also reminiscing about Mr Anderson's lovely garden at the Glade, we all remember the beautiful roses along the fence.  Mr Anderson was always in his garden & Bob McKinstry, from the shop on the Carntall Road, brought your family a box of groceries each week.  Your mother was always cleaning & her mats were always out on the washing line.  On the day that your family got the keys to the house in the Glade, my father took your father, Billy Dunn,Bill White,Bob Dunn & Alan Fenning to Glengormley Electric Office to sign for the electric.  Mum is the only original tenant left in the row from that time.  She remembers your sisters & brother going to Canada and you visiting home.  Your father would often walk to Greenisland Hospital from Carnmoney to visit your mother.  My daddy would have often given him a lift as my Uncle Victor was a patient there also.
You mentioned about the 'Mossley Indians' - I don't remember daddy talking about them directly, however I'm sure he was in the middle of any trouble that was going on!! He would have talked fondly about the rivalry between the Ballyearl and Mossley football teams and all the fights that took place.  The May Fair in Ballyclare was always a big event in his childhood with memories of the cinema there and the weather being so warm that he said the tar would melt in the road.  On a sadder note, he talked a lot about the accident which killed your brother at Sunnyside.
[size=78%]You asked about the Grahams - mum remembers that Paddy Graham worked as a rep for Jacobs biscuits & did most of his work from the house whilst on the phone.  Perhaps you would remember our mum as she worked for Tweddies and travelled with Leslie Tweddie on his mobile shop.  It's lovely to read all the posts & if there is anything specific you would like to know about Mossley or any families, just let us know & mum is happy to reply.[/size]
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Post by: tommo on January 20, 2012, 08:40:11 PM
Hi JimIGS, i noticed in your first post you said your grand kid's live in st albert , my daughter and her family also live in st albert. I live in Lacombe Alberta. Originally from Glengormley/ Whitewell.  Small world. i also played in the Glengormley accordian band, and the Glengormley silver band before it changed to Accordian.  Tom
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Post by: JimIGS on January 21, 2012, 04:53:52 AM
Welcome to the Forum Tommo
We used to pass by Lacombe on the way down from the airport in Edmonton on our way to Red Deer where our daughter and her family lived as she worked up that way in Dow Chemical. They have since moved to St. Albert so now we are heading north from the airport instead of south, the past couple of years have been a bit of a nightmare with all the changes in the roads around Edmonton.
For the life of me I am trying to remember the Glengormley Silver band or who might have been in the band but that would be over 40 years ago as we came to Canada in 1968 and some things don't come back as easy as they once did. I started with Ballyduff when I was about 10 years old, we were a flute band then but we changed over to brass because we could not afford to buy a decent set of flutes to replace the old flutes which the band had been using for years and years. Any time that I have gone back for a visit we would go hear the band playing at one of the bandstands like Jordanstown, Carrick Castle or the park in Antrim, I don't know about you but when I get to thinking about all the guys that I practiced, paraded and most especially spent 3 nights a week getting ready for a contest at the Ulster Hall with, the eyes start to mist up a bit.
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Post by: JimIGS on January 22, 2012, 05:54:33 AM
hi jim
my mum thinks she has a photo  of your daddy with myself and clarks daughter in the front garden , i wasnt born to 75 so you would have been long gone to canada although my mum doesnt ever remember you living in the house , they all moved in 1964 .she will have a look for the photo and i will post it .
Hi Lynnie
From talking to my mum and dad after we came to Canada  I think it was the early 1970s they both talked about living close to Austin Downes and in my faint memory banks I remember visiting with my wife and two daughters I took the girls across the road to the dam to see the swans and their babies. Of course granny had to give them some bread to feed them which worked out great until the mother swan thought that my eldest girl was getting too close and it snatched the piece of bread in her hand and bit a couple of fingers, that one wasn't one of the nice swans after that.
Hi Carol
It is sort of funny your mum and you two talking about my father and the roses in his  garden, when we lived in the Old Row during and after the war in the 1940s, my brother Jack and I had to go over to the plots which were over to the right behind Sunnyside and help dig and weed to get it ready to plant spuds, carrots, parsnips and onions. We tried pees but all the other kids ate them as the ripened and there were not many left for us.
More to come later. 
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Post by: JimIGS on January 22, 2012, 10:52:19 PM
Hi JimIGS,
I went to the High School there, I'd say that is the Bertie Moore I knew, but it is 50 years since I last saw him. Never knew he played hockey, he has a brother called Francy or is this a different Bertie Moore?
Rob Roy
I honestly do not know too much about Bertie's family and I can't really remember if I met up with him at the hockey or if it was Ballyduff band (I hate it when the spell checker underlines ballyduff). If he had a brother I don't think I ever met him, all I can remember is that he was married to Lynne and had a son when I met him.
What I really wanted to ask you is has anyone ever started a thread about Ballyclare High School and the people who were at the school and when? What teachers they had and what sports they played and who they played with?
 
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Post by: patricia2 on January 23, 2012, 01:54:17 AM
Hi JimIGS, i noticed in your first post you said your grand kid's live in st albert , my daughter and her family also live in st albert. I live in Lacombe Alberta. Originally from Glengormley/ Whitewell.  Small world. i also played in the Glengormley accordian band, and the Glengormley silver band before it changed to Accordian.  Tom
Remember Glengormley Accordion Band, Used to play in it to many years ago. Often wondered what happened to the Band. Left about 1966.
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Post by: JimIGS on January 23, 2012, 05:04:31 PM
Remember Glengormley Accordion Band, Used to play in it to many years ago. Often wondered what happened to the Band. Left about 1966.
Hi patricia2 welcome to the forum from a previous newbie who reads too many threads and doesn't have time to post. If you go to the following URL about northern Ireland Bands:
http://www.niba.fsnet.co.uk/accordion_bands.htm,
you can see that the Glengormley Accordian Band won a division of the accordian bands championship in 1965, 1967 and 1968. that must have been when the enthusiasm was really high and you had a good conductor and someone in the band who organized things really well.
I can's see any other mention except that there was a new band called "The Newtownabbey Accordian Band" formed soon after that, possibly combining with another band in the Newtownabbey area.
Jim
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Post by: tommo on January 23, 2012, 07:01:39 PM
Hi Patricia and Jim, Just came online and seen your post's. We must know eatch other Patricia, i was the in the band the same time as you with my two brothers and dad. ( Tommy Montgomery.)  Jim i played in those contests in the Ulster hall ,still have my medal's. I played the lead accordian for the band and then taught accordian for a short time before leaving for Canada. Jim ,bye the way glengormley silver was only around for a year or two,never did make it out of the practice room before changing back to accordian.  Thanks,Tom
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Post by: patricia2 on January 23, 2012, 07:34:11 PM
Hi patricia2 welcome to the forum from a previous newbie who reads too many threads and doesn't have time to post. If you go to the following URL about northern Ireland Bands:
http://www.niba.fsnet.co.uk/accordion_bands.htm (http://www.niba.fsnet.co.uk/accordion_bands.htm),
you can see that the Glengormley Accordian Band won a division of the accordian bands championship in 1965, 1967 and 1968. that must have been when the enthusiasm was really high and you had a good conductor and someone in the band who organized things really well.
I can's see any other mention except that there was a new band called "The Newtownabbey Accordian Band" formed soon after that, possibly combining with another band in the Newtownabbey area.
Jim

Thanks for the welcome and information. Was in the band when we won the division. Still have the medal. I think the conductor was William Hoy. Good conductor.
patricia...
 
 
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Post by: patricia2 on January 23, 2012, 07:41:09 PM
Hi Patricia and Jim, Just came online and seen your post's. We must know eatch other Patricia, i was the in the band the same time as you with my two brothers and dad. ( Tommy Montgomery.)  Jim i played in those contests in the Ulster hall ,still have my medal's. I played the lead accordian for the band and then taught accordian for a short time before leaving for Canada. Jim ,bye the way glengormley silver was only around for a year or two,never did make it out of the practice room before changing back to accordian.  Thanks,Tom
Hi Tom.
Yes I remember your dad and two brothers very well. Still have my medal from the contests in the Ulster Hall. Don't know if you remember me Name then was Pat Hill. Left Belfast 1972. Living just outside of Toronto in Ajax,
Patricia.
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Post by: tommo on January 24, 2012, 07:52:45 PM
Hi Pat, i have a couple of pictures of the band around that time,you should be in them. I will scan them and try to post on here, never put pictures on before,but i will give it a try. you would remember Ann Higginson Phyllis cooper.yes Billy Hoy was the conductor for a few years. Ann married Walter Goodman in 68.  Have you ever come out west to Alberta?. Tom
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Post by: tommo on January 24, 2012, 08:42:25 PM
(http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/glengormley accordion band)
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Post by: tommo on January 24, 2012, 09:15:05 PM
(http://glengormley accordion band)
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Post by: JimIGS on January 24, 2012, 10:24:17 PM
(http://glengormley%20accordion%20band)
Tommo
I assume you are trying to upload pictures to the Forum for Pat to see.
I have not as yet done this but I got the following instructions from CMcG  but as yet not had the time to test it all out, maybe the following will help you.

JimIGS, what I do is to load the photo on my PC/laptop (typically on my 'desktop').

Then, when I'm on the internet, I'll go into the 'Tinypic' website.

The Tinypic screen will show a number of fields to complete, in the 'File:' field I select 'Browse' and navigate to desktop and select the name of the picture to upload.

The 'File Type' field is normally already completed as 'Image'

Against the 'Resize:' field I select 15" screen (800 x 600)

Then I upload...
 
 
Hope this works...
CMcG

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Post by: patricia2 on January 25, 2012, 12:23:49 AM
Hi Pat, i have a couple of pictures of the band around that time,you should be in them. I will scan them and try to post on here, never put pictures on before,but i will give it a try. you would remember Ann Higginson Phyllis cooper.yes Billy Hoy was the conductor for a few years. Ann married Walter Goodman in 68.  Have you ever come out west to Alberta?. Tom

Hi Tom.
Would love to see the pictures. Some where along the line I have lost the ones I had of the band. Yes I remember Ann and Phyllis. I have been talking to Ann on facebook several times also Noel Goodman. Phyllis married Desi Graham.. Have never made it out to Alberta. Always tend to go back home. So did the band just eventually disband..Have you been to Toronto??? Looking forward to seeing the pictures.
Pat
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Post by: tommo on January 25, 2012, 12:27:24 AM
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Post by: tommo on January 25, 2012, 12:33:44 AM
(http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/[IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/opdboz.jpg)[/img]
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Post by: tommo on January 25, 2012, 12:44:39 AM
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Post by: tommo on January 25, 2012, 12:56:08 AM
MY god, what a pain that was, but finally i won. The only time i have been in TO is to change flight's to Cuba. Dont know when the band broke up,some time after 74 when i left for Canada. i have only been back once,in 82.  Bye the way i am in the photo -second row from the back last on the right.  Hope it brings back fond memories.  I have one more of the band from many years before,taken at the same church, very interesting as it has all the parent's from the first picture without the siblings. Now that i figured this out i will post it also.Bye Tom
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Post by: tommo on January 25, 2012, 01:34:20 AM
This is the 1939 band at the same location.(http://i44.tinypic.com/29p9mxf.jpg)
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Post by: tommo on January 25, 2012, 01:40:14 AM
Made the last one to big,cut some people out,sorry.(http://i41.tinypic.com/dp6yz4.jpg)
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Post by: CMcG on January 25, 2012, 06:16:52 PM
Rob Roy
I honestly do not know too much about Bertie's family and I can't really remember if I met up with him at the hockey or if it was Ballyduff band (I hate it when the spell checker underlines ballyduff). If he had a brother I don't think I ever met him, all I can remember is that he was married to Lynne and had a son when I met him.
What I really wanted to ask you is has anyone ever started a thread about Ballyclare High School and the people who were at the school and when? What teachers they had and what sports they played and who they played with?


JimIGS, I've started a thread on Ballyclare High School in the 'Belfast Chat' board (link below), let's see what happens, I would love to hear more about the teachers etc.

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,42941.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,42941.0.html)
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Post by: tommo on January 26, 2012, 07:28:47 PM
 Hi pat, my eyes fell out off my head when l seen who your husband is, sandra and l were very good friend's ,and l always wonder about her and ule and fred, l remember she had a sister that went to toronto,when we were small,if ule can remember l lived 23,portmorehill,the house on the corner,and on the why to school,if you can tell sandra about me lt would be appreciated l hope to here from you again,going to phone tom with this very big surprice,Mary Cunningham now Montgomery.  (Pat i sent your message to Mary from my office, thats the email address i have on the forum. She tried to reply and it came back to me. so i am forwording it on to you.) Our home address is.  [email protected]
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Post by: JimIGS on January 26, 2012, 10:46:26 PM
two years ago I was in the clubhouse at Mossley Hockey Club...cracking bar and that all weather  pitch is excellent..I was in the company of my nephew Martin Scott and his sister Julie Ann, with Simon Burns and the crew...friendly bunch...my nephew played for the first X1 and Ulster -his late father Sam played hockey and played in Ross Aiken's band many years ago.Sam was born in Sunnyside , I think. A workmate of my father also played hockey there..Sam Brown.
JimIGS trying to show the pictures
(http://i41.tinypic.com/jsikig.jpg)

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Hope it works.
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Post by: Giannineo on January 26, 2012, 10:49:59 PM
JimIGS trying to show the pictures
(http://i41.tinypic.com/jsikig.jpg)

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2cfpkj6.jpg)

Hope it works.
thanks Jim, I will go to see it next time I am over
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Post by: Pied on January 30, 2012, 08:21:27 PM
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Hi everyone, a few more photos of Mossley people, I remember all the faces, however,I am terrible at names. I was wondering what this meeting was about, perhaps it is the pensioners club that Jeannie was writing about.
 Welcome Jeannie, I remember your father in the corner shop, alway very pleasant.  Unfortunately, unlike CMcG, my trips were for twenty "Park Drive". Were there two girls and one boy in your family, or had you a cousin who worked in the shop sometimes. 
 
Hello cialin,  Were you asking about Bertie Jenkins senior, or young Bertie?
Far left on this photo is Billy Beggs who lived in Brickhill Park. It's possible that his wife Elsie is beside him in the photo.
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Post by: tommo on January 31, 2012, 07:40:03 PM
Hi Jim,got your pm. Been searching thru the teams in st Albert but cant find a Quinn listed on any. I misunderstood when you were talking about driving south to Red Deer and now north to st albert ,i thought you lived in Leduc or Edmonton,never thought of the airport.Anyway thanks for the reply. Tom
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on February 23, 2012, 05:44:47 AM
second from the left on the back row of this photo is Jimmy McKeown who was married to Teenie McKeown. For the record those not already mentioned are Billy Nutt, Eddie Hunter, George Hall, Fred Murdock, Billy Killen, Belle Murdock.  Only Eddie Crawford and Billy Nutt still play indoor bowls for Mossley at their new home at Glenvarna Open Arms Centre out at Linden Lea.

Thanks Pied, I'm not sure why Tinypic have deleted the photo, it's happening all the time now and it's infuriating!
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on February 23, 2012, 05:53:14 AM
Thanks for your post above Pied, I don't know why Tinypic have deleted the photo, it's infuriating when that happens!
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on February 23, 2012, 05:50:31 AM
second from the left on the back row of this photo is Jimmy McKeown who was married to Teenie McKeown. For the record those not already mentioned are Billy Nutt, Eddie Hunter, George Hall, Fred Murdock, Billy Killen, Belle Murdock.  Only Eddie Crawford and Billy Nutt still play indoor bowls for Mossley at their new home at Glenvarna Open Arms Centre out at Linden Lea.

Thanks Pied, I don't know why Tinypic has deleted the photo, it's infuriating when that happens...
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on February 23, 2012, 05:47:43 AM
second from the left on the back row of this photo is Jimmy McKeown who was married to Teenie McKeown. For the record those not already mentioned are Billy Nutt, Eddie Hunter, George Hall, Fred Murdock, Billy Killen, Belle Murdock.  Only Eddie Crawford and Billy Nutt still play indoor bowls for Mossley at their new home at Glenvarna Open Arms Centre out at Linden Lea.
Thanks Pied, dunno why Tinypic has deleted the photo, it's infuriating when that happens!
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on February 23, 2012, 06:25:18 AM
 
As you may guess from above, there must have been a "funny" with the forum website, I tried to post and on three occasions was bounced out of this thread. When I went back in after each occasion, my post hadn't saved. My fourth post was successful, but since I made it, the previous three have miraculously come back to life from absolutely nowhere!  :D Anyway, Pied, I think you get my drift...
 

 I found this entry in the 1957 phone book for Sidney Hamilton, oh to get back to phone numbers that were easy to remember!
 

Anyhow, does anyone know what the "McC" stood for?

 
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Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on February 23, 2012, 08:37:51 PM
Thanks Pied, dunno why Tinypic has deleted the photo, it's infuriating when that happens!
CMcG I could not even upload any pictures to Tinypic when I tried 2 days ago, I was able to when I originally opened my account with them about 10-14 days ago but now I have been shunted over to Photobucket which is where my latest pictures are. Is there anyway to have pictures deleted from this thread that were inserted in error?

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on February 25, 2012, 03:11:24 AM

As you may guess from above, there must have been a "funny" with the forum website, I tried to post and on three occasions was bounced out of this thread. When I went back in after each occasion, my post hadn't saved. My fourth post was successful, but since I made it, the previous three have miraculously come back to life from absolutely nowhere!  :D Anyway, Pied, I think you get my drift...
 

 I found this entry in the 1957 phone book for Sidney Hamilton, oh to get back to phone numbers that were easy to remember!
 

Anyhow, does anyone know what the "McC" stood for?

 
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If my memory serves me correctly his name was Sidney McCracken Hamilton but then my memory is sometimes not too good. A quick mention we lost another old Mossleyite as my brother died last week over in Great Yarmouth, England, can anyone please tell me why it takes 2-3 weeks to bury someone in England? It hurts to even think about it.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on February 25, 2012, 03:45:25 AM
CMcG I could not even upload any pictures to Tinypic when I tried 2 days ago, I was able to when I originally opened my account with them about 10-14 days ago but now I have been shunted over to Photobucket which is where my latest pictures are. Is there anyway to have pictures deleted from this thread that were inserted in error?

I too have been moved to Photobucket, something must be happening. I've never tried deleting pictures myself yet, I must explore...
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on February 25, 2012, 03:55:59 AM
If my memory serves me correctly his name was Sidney McCracken Hamilton but then my memory is sometimes not too good. A quick mention we lost another old Mossleyite as my brother died last week over in Great Yarmouth, England, can anyone please tell me why it takes 2-3 weeks to bury someone in England? It hurts to even think about it.

McCracken rings a bell in my head as well.
 
I'm sorry to hear your news JimIGS, my thoughts are with you. The difference in time between England and here is always a shock, I don't know why that is, the way we do it here seems about right. Anyway, thanks for coming back at this difficult time.
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on February 25, 2012, 04:23:37 AM

McCracken rings a bell in my head as well.
 
I'm sorry to hear your news JimIGS, my thoughts are with you. The difference in time between England and here is always a shock, I don't know why that is, the way we do it here seems about right. Anyway, thanks for coming back at this difficult time.
Thank you CMcG
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on February 28, 2012, 06:59:02 PM
hi jim
my mum thinks she has a photo  of your daddy with myself and clarks daughter in the front garden , i wasnt born to 75 so you would have been long gone to canada although my mum doesnt ever remember you living in the house , they all moved in 1964 .she will have a look for the photo and i will post it .
Hi lynnie d
I am posting this so that you can let your mum know that my brother Jack who lived in Great Yarmouth in England had a fall and died on Feb. 16th. I am not sure how often Jack and Averil got to visit my mum and dad when they lived there at the Glebe so your mum may not know too much about them. Jack has been suffering from both diabetes and alzheimers for a few years so it was not unexpected that he could pass on. I don't know if Davy Hunter is still alive but if you see any of his family perhaps you can pass on the sad news to them.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on February 29, 2012, 04:48:31 AM
Hello cialinSadly, Bertie senior past away about seven or eight yearsago. Bertie had worked for ďBOCĒ when he moved into the Glade, he then workedin the Standard and the mill, but , it may have been the other way round, themill and then the Standard.
artermartin,
We have just lost another as I like to call them Mossleyite from the Old Row, my brother was living in Norfolk in England and was moved into a home at the end of last year because of difficulties with his diabetes and confusion due to Alzheimers. In the past year when we tried to talk to him on the phone most times he did not seem to know it was me and my wife talking to him. He had a fall and died on Feb. 16th while in the home and will be buried either March 8th or 9th which seems to be a long time to make a family wait but I'm told it is normal for England. I hope that the pain and hurt from the death of your sister over Christmas has eased and life is getting back to some sort of normal. I know it will take me quite a time to get over this sad episode in my life.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: lostinflorida on May 14, 2012, 09:13:26 PM
First post on here (and likely the last too!)    But will try.    I remember in the mid 50's someone (not me) painting on the school wall 'Sydney Hanniballs is a rotter'     The headmaster (Sydney Hamilton) was not amused and I think threatened to keep the whole school there in class until whoever did this foul deed confessed!   I never did find out who wrote it.   It was done on a weekend and was there on Monday morning.   I walked there to school from Springtown, some lonely and tiny cottages past Ballyearl and up a very rocky lane.   People called Ross owned the farmhouse was at the end of this lane, and the three tiny cottages (one room affairs with no toilet) were close to the farmhouse.  I have tried to contact Hugie Ross their son my age, thru' facebook etc - but with no luck.   I owe him an apology!          Previous to that, we lived in the second house before the lane up to Springtown, she looked after an old lady 'Aunt Hetty' who eventually died there.  Her son was in the Royal Navy.   I read in some of these previous postings about Tweedie's shop, in Ballyearl, I remember throwing a stone at their glass sign above the shop and smashing it. .my mother (Eileen Gerrard) gave me the first serious whupping of my life for that.   (How did they know who did it??)    Everyone is Ashley Terrace (in Ballyearl) got their water from a manual pump in the middle of the field opposite, such luxury, at Springtown we had a hole in the ground with a stone surround (the well) and we carried it from there.   My mother cleaned house for two brothers at the bottom of the Ashley Terrace road, on the right hand side going down, Tweedie's shop was on the left.   The house was so rotten (due to woodworm) she went right thru' the floor once and really tore up her leg, but in those days she sucked it up and kept going.    The next house along from there, was a single story houe, I remember a man who lived there got killed in the mill at Mossley.   My mom knew him and was upset.   Well, that is about it, I lived there for about 4 or 5 years, would love to see it again, what is left and how much it has all changed.    
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on May 14, 2012, 11:56:04 PM
First post on here (and likely the last too!)    But will try.    I remember in the mid 50's someone (not me) painting on the school wall 'Sydney Hanniballs is a rotter'     The headmaster (Sydney Hamilton) was not amused and I think threatened to keep the whole school there in class until whoever did this foul deed confessed!   I never did find out who wrote it.   It was done on a weekend and was there on Monday morning.   I walked there to school from Springtown, some lonely and tiny cottages past Ballyearl and up a very rocky lane.   People called Ross owned the farmhouse was at the end of this lane, and the three tiny cottages (one room affairs with no toilet) were close to the farmhouse.  I have tried to contact Hugie Ross their son my age, thru' facebook etc - but with no luck.   I owe him an apology!          Previous to that, we lived in the second house before the lane up to Springtown, she looked after an old lady 'Aunt Hetty' who eventually died there.  Her son was in the Royal Navy.   I read in some of these previous postings about Tweedie's shop, in Ballyearl, I remember throwing a stone at their glass sign above the shop and smashing it. .my mother (Eileen Gerrard) gave me the first serious whupping of my life for that.   (How did they know who did it??)    Everyone is Ashley Terrace (in Ballyearl) got their water from a manual pump in the middle of the field opposite, such luxury, at Springtown we had a hole in the ground with a stone surround (the well) and we carried it from there.   My mother cleaned house for two brothers at the bottom of the Ashley Terrace road, on the right hand side going down, Tweedie's shop was on the left.   The house was so rotten (due to woodworm) she went right thru' the floor once and really tore up her leg, but in those days she sucked it up and kept going.    The next house along from there, was a single story houe, I remember a man who lived there got killed in the mill at Mossley.   My mom knew him and was upset.   Well, that is about it, I lived there for about 4 or 5 years, would love to see it again, what is left and how much it has all changed.    
Welcome to the forum lostinflorida
I am the one who started this thread what seems to be ages ago asking about Sydney Hamilton who was my teacher at Mossley Primary. I do not remember a lot of people who lived in Ballyearl except Leslie Tweedy who played hockey on the same team with me, I know there were others but after 45 years away from over there I cannot recall any names.
I did have an uncle called John Anderson who lived just around the corner on the Ballynure Road. As for how they knew who threw the stone Mossley, Carntall and Ballyearl were such a tight area where everyone seemed to know everybody else it meant that kids parents knew before the kids got home.
If you check out the early pages of this thread there are people who you might know who lived around Carntall and Ballyearl, again welcome and if you check out the Canada Today thread you will read about a lot of very nice people who are in Canada and the US as well as back in Northern Ireland.

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: lostinflorida on May 15, 2012, 02:38:45 PM
Thanks for your reply, and for starting this thing!    I think I was about 8 when I bust the Tweedies sign, around 1953 maybe.    I can sort of place it in time because I remember being with a couple of other kids fishing for 'spricks' (tiny fish) in the stream that ran behind the field in front of Ashley Terrace, and hearing with shock that 'the King was dead'..   It felt like the world had ended!   And that was 1952.   The first time I ever saw a television was at the Orange Hall at Mossley, where they had two set up for the Coronation in 1953.   The kids were running from one to the other at the front of the hall, guess it was their first look at tv too.     Well, again, thank you for your reply and your efforts throughout.   Actually, I had read right thru' the entire post, and no names jumped out at me, but that doesn't mean much as I can barely remember my own name these days!   (Which is David Gerrard, by the way.)
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on May 20, 2012, 04:02:46 AM
Thanks for your reply, and for starting this thing!    I think I was about 8 when I bust the Tweedies sign, around 1953 maybe.    I can sort of place it in time because I remember being with a couple of other kids fishing for 'spricks' (tiny fish) in the stream that ran behind the field in front of Ashley Terrace, and hearing with shock that 'the King was dead'..   It felt like the world had ended!   And that was 1952.   The first time I ever saw a television was at the Orange Hall at Mossley, where they had two set up for the Coronation in 1953.   The kids were running from one to the other at the front of the hall, guess it was their first look at tv too.     Well, again, thank you for your reply and your efforts throughout.   Actually, I had read right thru' the entire post, and no names jumped out at me, but that doesn't mean much as I can barely remember my own name these days!   (Which is David Gerrard, by the way.)
Hi David,
Believe me you are not the only one with memory problems, my family often wonder if I am in the same room as I have memory problems and am deaf in one ear and need a hearing aid in the other ear, this causes another problem when I forget where I put the hearing aid in my travels. From your age in 1953 that makes you about 10 years younger than me so the people I remember around the Mossley, Carntall and Ballyearl area could have left when you started moving about the place.
The one funny thing that I had forgotten about and which brought a smile to my face was trying to catch "spricks", I can remember lying flat on my belly with my hands in the little river beside the railway tracks behind the fence at Mossley School and grabbing the spricks maybe 1 out of 10 if we were lucky but it did teach us how to be patient.
When you mentioned the TV in the Orange Hall I suddenly remembered that it was the Orange Hall where I saw my first movies (or the pictures as we called them) like Tom Mix, Roy Rogers, Gabby Hayes and the Lone Ranger and Tonto. If you have any stories about the Ballyearl area don't hesitate to tell them as most of the others who you have read their posts are a lot younger than I am and would recognize who or what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: lostinflorida on June 01, 2012, 09:56:20 PM
Hi again!   Glad your thread is still up!    I do remember that we at the Primary school ate lunch at the 'mill' dining-room, we were all frog-marched around there each lunch time. .up and over the bridge, along the road and turn right, another (seemed like) hundred yards or two. .turn left, into the dining hall.    I thought then the food was good, even exotic!  I also remember that the school was closed for a few (seems like) months and we all went into an unused part of the mill (away round the back) .it seemed huge and echo-y and wierd!  I think it was an upstairs part and we went up a staircase outside?    Returning to the school when it was all over made it seem cosy by comparison...   Guess they were doing work on it during this adventure??   Sometimes (until I was busted and grounded) I would duck out of lunch and steal (borrow) a gal's bike and ride down through Mossley and over a railway bridge, down a bumpy dirt road to a lake of some sort.   Freedom for a while!   Didn't take them long to catch up with me tho'     Funny the things you remember!
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on June 02, 2012, 04:26:16 AM
Hi Jim,got your pm. Been searching thru the teams in st Albert but cant find a Quinn listed on any. I misunderstood when you were talking about driving south to Red Deer and now north to st albert ,i thought you lived in Leduc or Edmonton,never thought of the airport.Anyway thanks for the reply. Tom
Hi Tommo.
My wife Grace and I just spent 3+ weeks with our 2 grand kids in St. Albert and couldn't believe how cold it is still at night out there. We had a very busy time taking the kids to and from school every day as their mother was working 12 hour shifts at Dow and unfortunately shortly after we arrived their father contacted a virus in one of his throat glands which eventually became pneumonia so we did not have much time for "galavanting around" as my mother used to say. I did find out that my grandson played for a junior hockey team which is part of the Edmonton Oil Kings organisation and he was overjoyed when they won the Western league title. If life gets back to normal (Grace and I were exhausted when we got back home) next time we are out there perhaps we can make contact at a rink somewhere between Red Deer and St. Albert.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on June 03, 2012, 11:01:05 PM
Hi lostinflorida :)
 
Would this Hughie Ross you are looking for have a brother Edwin and sister Linda by any chance?   :-\
 
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: lostinflorida on June 04, 2012, 10:23:50 AM
I don't know!   I seem to remember that he had siblings, and it could well have been two others, but alas I just cannot recall their names.    They would both have been younger than him, I am pretty sure.     They would have all lived at the farmhouse up at the end of Springtown.    No clue if they owned it or rented it or what...   Thanks for your interest, do you think you know them? 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Hugh R on July 06, 2012, 02:56:24 AM
my father and mother where austin and dorothy downes ,

Hi lynnie
You don't happen to have an older sister by the name of Pam by any chance???
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Hugh R on July 06, 2012, 03:19:27 AM
cialin
 
Yes Jimmy McCrea.

This Jimmy McCrea your talking about is it the same Jimmy McCrea that lived in "misery farm" on the Bridge road, and used to be a bus driver??
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on September 11, 2012, 01:23:19 AM

This Jimmy McCrea your talking about is it the same Jimmy McCrea that lived in "misery farm" on the Bridge road, and used to be a bus driver??.
Well he did live on Bridge Road, Monkstown, not sure tho about him being a bus driver.  Will ask my Auntie. 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Jeannie on September 11, 2012, 11:17:05 PM

This Jimmy McCrea your talking about is it the same Jimmy McCrea that lived in "misery farm" on the Bridge road, and used to be a bus driver??
No I was talking about the Jimmy McCrea who lived up the lane off  Bridge Road. 
My husband tells me tho that another Jimmy McCrea did live on a farm on the LHS of Bridge Road  and yes he was a Bus Driver.  He thinks they were cousins.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Hugh R on September 12, 2012, 11:47:18 PM
Thanks Jeannie
I wasn't aware of another Jimmy MaCrea, thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: genid on November 12, 2012, 05:38:08 PM

Hello all -Does anybody know when Sidney McCracken Hamilton died and is buried ?
I'm trying to contact any of his children.
He was born in 1911 in Dungannon, married Eileen Rose Patterson in Fisherwick Pres in 1941 - two known daughters Cora Margaret born in 1949 and Eileen Patricia in 1955.
I cannot find any information after this - just noticed the messages pertaining to him being headmaster at Mossley School.
Any information would be welcome.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 13, 2012, 04:55:16 AM
Hello all -Does anybody know when Sidney McCracken Hamilton died and is buried ?
I'm trying to contact any of his children.
He was born in 1911 in Dungannon, married Eileen Rose Patterson in Fisherwick Pres in 1941 - two known daughters Cora Margaret born in 1949 and Eileen Patricia in 1955.
I cannot find any information after this - just noticed the messages pertaining to him being headmaster at Mossley School.
Any information would be welcome.
Hi genid
First of all welcome to the Belfast Forum from the guy who started this thread over a year ago, time really does fly past us. I was so happy to be one of Sydney's pupils back in the mid-1950's, as well as belonging to the scout troop which he formed shortly after coming to Mossley. I did not know he was born in Dungannon, in fact even though I spent many hours playing table tennis with him at lunch time in school as well as tennis at the Tennis Club up at the park, as well as countless hours while camping all over Ireland, Scotland, England and even over in France one year, I now realize that he did not talk very much about life at home. He shared his knowledge he had gathered in his life but at the same time kept his private life very much to himself.
There are very few of my friends who are still alive from those days but I may be able to somehow make contact through a family friend who may be able to put me in touch with those who are left. I had hoped that this thread would have found some of them but as yet this has not happened, maybe I can get my old noggin working overtime and I may find someone. I rarely post my thoughts about things on the Forum but I read the messages as often as I can, please stay in touch.    Jim
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: genid on November 13, 2012, 12:16:44 PM
jimIGS - very many thanks for your help - I believe he was also a member of Carnmoney Pres. Church - at least he is noted there in 1961.
The connection would be through his wife Eileen Rose Hamilton nee Patterson. - She was an only child of Albert Simpson Patterson who died in Mayo Street in the mid 1950's.
But any information on Sidney or his family would be very welcome.
Genid
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on March 24, 2014, 09:45:51 PM

McCracken rings a bell in my head as well.
 
I'm sorry to hear your news JimIGS, my thoughts are with you. The difference in time between England and here is always a shock, I don't know why that is, the way we do it here seems about right. Anyway, thanks for coming back at this difficult time.
Hi CMcG
It is now 2 years since I discussed my brother dying in England and now I have more tragic news which is the fact that my wife who has suffered through 4 separate serious illnesses and operations has succumbed to a cancerous lump on one of her lungs. Due to her illnesses during the past 4 years I have not posted recently but will try to update you and some others on Canada Today when my grieve eases a little and I can think more rationally. I may send you a PM if you don't mind.
Jim
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on March 25, 2014, 04:29:31 AM

Hi CMcG
It is now 2 years since I discussed my brother dying in England and now I have more tragic news which is the fact that my wife who has suffered through 4 separate serious illnesses and operations has succumbed to a cancerous lump on one of her lungs. Due to her illnesses during the past 4 years I have not posted recently but will try to update you and some others on Canada Today when my grieve eases a little and I can think more rationally. I may send you a PM if you don't mind.
Jim


Jim, I am sorry for your trouble and hope my thoughts and prayers will carry over the miles from here in County Antrim to you at this difficult time, take the time that you need and rest assured that a post or pm from you is always welcome.   

CMcG
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on March 25, 2014, 06:22:32 PM
Hi Jim,got your pm. Been searching thru the teams in st Albert but cant find a Quinn listed on any. I misunderstood when you were talking about driving south to Red Deer and now north to st albert ,i thought you lived in Leduc or Edmonton,never thought of the airport.Anyway thanks for the reply. Tom
Hi tommo,

Long time since we communicated, unfortunately the past 2 years have been spent driving from test to scan back to test and onto MRI with my wife's back problems which developed into a more serious thing since. Anyway, the good news first, my grandson will be playing hockey in Red Deer this weekend his name is Liam Quinn who is 9 years old and at the moment has very short hair as he had his head shaved for a charity up in St. Albert. They have not been winning too many games lately but I keep telling him on the phone that you have to learn to lose some games in order to learn to win the other games. I hope that you manage to see Liam play (I believe he plays defence) for a team out of the Oilers organization.

Unfortunately he and his sister Grace visited us in Brampton a month ago to attend the funeral of their grandmother which was not a happy time for them or for us old folk either. She was being treated for a muscular problem at the back of her shoulder for about 5 months at the end of last year and eventually screamed to her doctor that "I want a damned X-ray, it is not getting better". So they checked her x-ray records from last January when she had her spinal operation which had a notation by the x-ray technician that their was a shadow up near her left lung to be kept under check in the coming months, but it did not happen.

To cut this short she had 5 months treatment for a muscle which when she eventually had an MRI and biopsy was confirmed to be cancer, she died 4 weeks later. I think that I will be very angry for quite a while, I know I m not the greatest company in a room. Perhaps when I cool off and brighten up a little I might even get to visit Alberta when the weather warms up a little.

Jim Anderson
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cookstown on March 25, 2014, 08:48:56 PM
cookstown to jimigs- You won the irish junior cup in 1966. Other team members were David mckinstry,Brian Hamill,Derek watt,Stewart martin,Norman mccalmont,Harold burns sen. leslie tweedie,jim toland
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on March 26, 2014, 03:17:08 AM
cookstown to jimigs- You won the irish junior cup in 1966. Other team members were David mckinstry,Brian Hamill,Derek watt,Stewart martin,Norman mccalmont,Harold burns sen. leslie tweedie,jim toland
What about the two Anderson brothers and the big man Brian Gilroy, we certainly could not have done it without him. If I remember right when we played the Three Rock Rovers in the semi-final young John McKinstry played on that team, but considering it is almost 50 years ago I could be wrong.
Jim
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cookstown on March 26, 2014, 12:03:04 PM
cookstown to jimigs.  You are quite right brian roy and the two Anderson brothers were on that team.  David Mckinstry won it again in 1986 with

Mossley 2 when they beat Banbridge 2 at Blaris
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on March 27, 2014, 06:16:24 PM

Jim, I am sorry for your trouble and hope my thoughts and prayers will carry over the miles from here in County Antrim to you at this difficult time, take the time that you need and rest assured that a post or pm from you is always welcome.   

CMcG
Colin,
Thank you for your thoughts and prayers as I need all the help I can get these days, friends like you are few and far between. In the midst of everything else I have been working for the past 8-9 months in trying to get my one and only grant ever from government to help with repairs that are needed to our house. Guess what, a couple of days they notified that I had qualified for the money for which I am truly thankful, especially with the cost of Grace's funeral etc. I will be in touch when the panic situation subsides.
Jim
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on March 27, 2014, 06:24:14 PM
Good man Jim, fire me off a post or pm when it's right for you.

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on March 27, 2014, 09:55:27 PM
cookstown to jimigs.  You are quite right brian roy and the two Anderson brothers were on that team.  David Mckinstry won it again in 1986 with

Mossley 2 when they beat Banbridge 2 at Blaris
That is because he was the only one who could run around the new pitches fast enough. Now if I could figure out who the $%$#@ Cookstown is.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cookstown on March 28, 2014, 11:26:30 AM
  JimIGS  The club had its 75th Anniversary in 2004.  There was a Souvenir book put together which you would find interesting.  If you played
  on that team your photo is in it.  I'm sure if you dropped a line to the Club Secretary he would endeavour to send you a copy.  I know there
  are still some kicking about.  The address is still 1A The Glade, Mossley, Newtownabbey.
   regards, Cookstown.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on March 28, 2014, 05:03:35 PM
  JimIGS  The club had its 75th Anniversary in 2004.  There was a Souvenir book put together which you would find interesting.  If you played
  on that team your photo is in it.  I'm sure if you dropped a line to the Club Secretary he would endeavour to send you a copy.  I know there
  are still some kicking about.  The address is still 1A The Glade, Mossley, Newtownabbey.
   regards, Cookstown.
Hi Cookstown,
Are any of my old drinking buddies like Bertie Moore, Sam Brown etc. still around? I know that  Davy Weir, is gone as they dedicated a cup to him so time ago. Had I not emigrated to Canada in 1968 I probably would have managed maybe 2-3 more years. I have found the email for the secretary (Davy's son I think) so I will drop him an email.
Jim

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cookstown on March 28, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Bertie Moore is still around and still drinking.  Sam Brown is still healthy but does not frequent the Club.  The Secretary is Davy Weirs son Gavin.
Glad I could be of some help to you.
Cookstown.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: RobRoy on March 28, 2014, 11:20:18 PM
The last time I met Bertie Moore was on either the Liverpool or Heysham boat. He was in a jazz band on their way to England and then New York. Never knew if they made it or not.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on March 29, 2014, 03:07:30 AM
The last time I met Bertie Moore was on either the Liverpool or Heysham boat. He was in a jazz band on their way to England and then New York. Never knew if they made it or not.
Hi RobRoy
Long time since we connected, I need to ask you a question, did you spend your early years around the area of Windsor Park i.e. Windsor Avenue, Great Northern Street, Lisburn Road and Donegall Road.
The reason I ask is my wife was born on Great Northern Street and then on Ashley Avenue and her grandmother Mrs. Fitzsimmons lived at the bottom of Windsor Avenue. She talked a lot about the people who lived around there and about going up to the Minnowburn Bridge on the weekends when she was a teeenager. She went to Fane Street school and then Richmond Lodge after the 11 plus.
I read through the Donegall Road thread some time ago and meant to post this question to you but things got very hectic in the past year until her death at the end of January.
Jim
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: RobRoy on March 29, 2014, 09:39:29 AM
Hi RobRoy
Long time since we connected, I need to ask you a question, did you spend your early years around the area of Windsor Park i.e. Windsor Avenue, Great Northern Street, Lisburn Road and Donegall Road.
The reason I ask is my wife was born on Great Northern Street and then on Ashley Avenue and her grandmother Mrs. Fitzsimmons lived at the bottom of Windsor Avenue. She talked a lot about the people who lived around there and about going up to the Minnowburn Bridge on the weekends when she was a teeenager. She went to Fane Street school and then Richmond Lodge after the 11 plus.
I read through the Donegall Road thread some time ago and meant to post this question to you but things got very hectic in the past year until her death at the end of January.
Jim

Hi Jim.  No, Iwas born in Whitehouse village as was Bertie Moore and we grew up together. His hero was the person who taught him music ... Moss ??? . We both went to Ballyclare High and were also both in the 95th. Belfast BB at the foot of the Whitewell Road. He played cornet in the band. I went to sea and only met Bertie a few times in the early '60s.  Please accept my belated commiserations. I am sending you a PM. RR
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Post by: CMcG on November 04, 2014, 04:20:29 AM

Some marvellous photos of what is now Newtownabbey, back in 1929, in this new thread:

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,60041.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,60041.0.html)

Looking down on the Crescent, Mossley:

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028718?search=newtownabbey&ref=7 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028718?search=newtownabbey&ref=7)

Mossley Mill looking south, note the houses to the left, also the house called the Castle in the rear of the photo:

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716?search=newtownabbey&ref=5 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716?search=newtownabbey&ref=5)

 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on November 05, 2014, 06:24:24 PM
Some marvellous photos of what is now Newtownabbey, back in 1929, in this new thread:

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,60041.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,60041.0.html)

Looking down on the Crescent, Mossley:

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028718?search=newtownabbey&ref=7 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028718?search=newtownabbey&ref=7)

Mossley Mill looking south, note the houses to the left, also the house called the Castle in the rear of the photo:

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716?search=newtownabbey&ref=5 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716?search=newtownabbey&ref=5)
Hi CMcG,
It has been quite a while since we communicated on this thread but life is different these days. These pictures of Mossley, I did not know existed, I sent the URL to my sisters and we have been trying to figure what was were etc. The pic looking south shows a lot of different parts of the village that I went to as a boy from the Orange Hall at one end to the park with looks like just the bowling green at the other end. However you can clearly see where the Uppertown houses were but why they were set back so far I can't figure out, not much showing of the houses you lived in but in one of the pics you can see how large the Big House really was (I think that was what we called it).  Jim
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 06, 2014, 04:40:56 AM
Hi CMcG,
It has been quite a while since we communicated on this thread but life is different these days. These pictures of Mossley, I did not know existed, I sent the URL to my sisters and we have been trying to figure what was were etc. The pic looking south shows a lot of different parts of the village that I went to as a boy from the Orange Hall at one end to the park with looks like just the bowling green at the other end. However you can clearly see where the Uppertown houses were but why they were set back so far I can't figure out, not much showing of the houses you lived in but in one of the pics you can see how large the Big House really was (I think that was what we called it).  Jim

Hi Jim, the photos are a treat, grateful to the poster.  What a difference between 1929 and now. Haystacks everywhere.

The wee row at 'Bridge End' can be seen beside the railway track in several of them.

I hadn't noticed the bowling green with the old pavilion in the back right.  And the Manse Road can be seen clearly in the background of the south facing photos as just a country road, not a house in sight.

Bottom left of one of the photos shows the houses opposite 'Sunnyside' which eventually became the primary school.

I didn't know Uppertown was set so far back from the Crescent either.  In that photo, where you can clearly see the white and red rows, you can just about make out the Villas to the far right, when I was young I lived in number 8 which is the first one you can see in the photo.

Really enjoyed poring over these...     
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Morton McDonald on May 11, 2015, 07:11:59 PM
Rob roy I went to Fane Street school also Windsor Gospel Hall in the lower Windsor avenue
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on May 12, 2015, 08:07:32 AM
Do any of you Mossley men remember or heard of a village called Mussentown.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on May 12, 2015, 06:25:00 PM

Do any of you Mossley men remember or heard of a village called Mussentown.


I was born and reared in Mossley, but have never heard of it.  I'm aware that the "placenamesni" website cites it as a "minor placename" located in the townland of Ballyhenry in the civil parish of Carnmoney, but it doesn't appear there on the maps from the 6" Ordnance Survey Ireland mapping series 1837 - 1842 that have been uploaded to accompany the Griffith's Valuation records on the "askaboutireland" website.

The book "Sentry Hill"covering the McKinney's homestead in the adjacent townland of Ballyvesey from the late 18th century provides a very rich source of information about the wider area, but from a quick glance through it, I couldn't see a reference there either.

Likewise, I searched for Mussentown (and variants) in the British Newspaper Archive (covering the 19th century Belfast Newsletter and the Northern Whig) and this proved fruitless as well.   :(

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on May 13, 2015, 03:50:12 PM
Rob roy I went to Fane Street school also Windsor Gospel Hall in the lower Windsor avenue
Hi Morton,
For the past 4-5 years I have been trying to find someone on the forum who went to school and you even went to the Gospel Hall at the bottom of Windsor Avenue. My wife's grandmother lived in one of the house opposite the Gospel Hall since the early 1900s, from what I remember the man who organized the meetings in the hall was called Mr. Anderson. My wife's family lived close by on Great Northern Street and of course had to attend the gospel hall as well as Ulsterville Presbyterian church on Sundays during the early sixties and Mr. Anderson and my wife had quite a few heated arguments during that time, funny she ended up marrying and being called Mrs. Anderson.
She attended Fane Street school from 1946 to 1953  and loved it and then she passed the 11 plus and went to Grammar school somewhere up the Malone Road. I met her in 1959 and we got married in 1964 in Ulsterville and came to Canada in 1968. I hope I can get some information about life in that area before I met her.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on May 13, 2015, 04:08:23 PM
I was born and reared in Mossley, but have never heard of it.  I'm aware that the "placenamesni" website cites it as a "minor placename" located in the townland of Ballyhenry in the civil parish of Carnmoney, but it doesn't appear there on the maps from the 6" Ordnance Survey Ireland mapping series 1837 - 1842 that have been uploaded to accompany the Griffith's Valuation records on the "askaboutireland" website.

The book "Sentry Hill"covering the McKinney's homestead in the adjacent townland of Ballyvesey from the late 18th century provides a very rich source of information about the wider area, but from a quick glance through it, I couldn't see a reference there either.

Likewise, I searched for Mussentown (and variants) in the British Newspaper Archive (covering the 19th century Belfast Newsletter and the Northern Whig) and this proved fruitless as well.   :(
Hi CMcG, It has been a while since we conversed, the past year has been a real tough one and mostly difficult for me, it gets very lonely a lot of the time. Anyway, since I lived in Mossley from birth in 1937 until I got married and moved to Carnmoney in 1964, I spent a lot of time around the area including Carntall, Ballyearl and down to Monkstown, Cloughfern and Whitehouse/Whiteabbey.
I have racked my brain since I first read your posting and although I know the name "Mussenstown" (I think there was an s in the middle of it, probably named after someone called Mussen), but for the life of me I cannot remember where it was. The more I think about it I keep thinking it was one of those little pockets of houses that gradually disappeared as Mossley, Monkstown and Carnmoney grew over the years.
Nice to see your post, hope to stay in touch a little more in the future. Jim
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on May 14, 2015, 06:30:52 AM
Hi CMcG and Jim

I can assure you Mussentown was a small village, I stumbled across it as a young lad in the very early seventies. Around that time I spent quite a lot of time around James Bryson's farm helping out and mucking around. Myself and some friends discovered it done a grassy laneway where there was two sets of cottages and an old stone well. They where not inhabited at the time but someone from Mossley kept pigs in some of them, I remember the big sows and piglets but don't remember the name of the owner.
Anyway I mentioned it to old granda Horne who you may remember McG lived beside the swimming pool, I now know I heard him wrong as for years I thought he said Upper and Lower Musseltown, about two years ago on a visit to Mossley Mill I studied a map behind one of the glass cases and there it said Mussentown.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on May 14, 2015, 03:42:30 PM
Hi CMcG and Jim

I can assure you Mussentown was a small village, I stumbled across it as a young lad in the very early seventies. Around that time I spent quite a lot of time around James Bryson's farm helping out and mucking around. Myself and some friends discovered it done a grassy laneway where there was two sets of cottages and an old stone well. They where not inhabited at the time but someone from Mossley kept pigs in some of them, I remember the big sows and piglets but don't remember the name of the owner.
Anyway I mentioned it to old granda Horne who you may remember McG lived beside the swimming pool, I now know I heard him wrong as for years I thought he said Upper and Lower Musseltown, about two years ago on a visit to Mossley Mill I studied a map behind one of the glass cases and there it said Mussentown.
Thank you Roadracer,
It pays for us as we used to  say "Old fogies with no memory left" to find friends like you who spent time at the other end of Mossley (towards Carnmoney), I lived in lower Mossley (the Old Row and Sunnyside) until I got married, mind you I spent every summer at the park playing tennis from I was about 10 from after school until it got dark, taught by Sydney Hamilton who taught me as much out of school as he did in the school as well as in the scouts.
Was Bryson's farm just up the Manse Road (on the right hand side) from the crossroads with (as we knew it) Carnmoney Brae, I don't remember old granda Horne but I do remember the Robinson family who lived at the crossroads, Jim and Joe played hockey when we played at the park. Again thank you for knowing this info. it has brought back some very old-time memories, I knew there was a Mussentown I just forgot where it was. Perhaps I may get back once again, to go down to the Mill and spend time checking out the old pictures and maps etc.
Jim
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on May 17, 2015, 09:04:02 AM
Hi Jim, always good to hear from you, keep on trucking.  :)   If I'm picking you up right, I also remember Bryson's farm and it also being called Ballyduff House.  As you say, heading towards Carnmoney from Mossley, at the crossroads on the Manse  Road you had to turn right, then continue a couple of hundred yards up the Manse Road and it was set a wee bit back from the road on the right hand side and surrounded by lots of lovely big old trees of different varieties. A bit off from where Ballyduff would be known today.

Hi Roadracer I can't remember exactly when this happened, but I remember a building company called FT Ferguson had premises directly opposite Bryson's farm / Ballyduff House, it might have been there when you spent time there in the 1970s, the premises are long since changed hands,  is that the right place do you think?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on May 18, 2015, 04:10:20 AM
CMcG and Jim
You are both correct about the farm it was owned by James Bryson and was called Ballyduff House. The driveway was opposite Ferguson's office and the entrance is just visible if you know the trees lining the driveway are still there. The property was sold to build new new Mossley the house was empty in mid seventies and then there was an arson fire after which it was demolished.
CMcG I have found out since McKenna's kept the pigs in the cottages.
Jim it was the Robinson's lived in the first semi detached from the Manse Road and the Horne's next door. Does the name Stephenson ring a bell!
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: david7744 on June 22, 2015, 07:59:56 AM
i lived in mussentown til i was 14 years old.....no running water or electricity.....it was owned by brysons who were farmers.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on June 23, 2015, 07:20:09 AM
Hi David
Great to hear from you, what year did you leave Mussentown. I found it in the early seventies down a little grassy laneway. From memory there was two sets of cottages and a small well. When I mentioned it to old Bob Stevenson who lived beside where the Mill Swimming Pool was, he told me it was Upper and Lower Mussentown. I have been in discussion with a couple of other people that remember about it that live in Carnmoney and Mossley.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: chopperharris on June 23, 2015, 09:27:26 AM
... Or was it the little row of house immediate to the entrance to the Mill (whose name I have temporarily forgotten - another Werther's Original moment! Nurse!!!)
 
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2ew1a4g.jpg)
     bridge end    4 little cottages owned by the mill. .now privately owned.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: chopperharris on June 23, 2015, 09:29:28 AM
CMcG and Jim
You are both correct about the farm it was owned by James Bryson and was called Ballyduff House. The driveway was opposite Ferguson's office and the entrance is just visible if you know the trees lining the driveway are still there. The property was sold to build new new Mossley the house was empty in mid seventies and then there was an arson fire after which it was demolished.
CMcG I have found out since McKenna's kept the pigs in the cottages.
Jim it was the Robinson's lived in the first semi detached from the Manse Road and the Horne's next door. Does the name Stephenson ring a bell!
mckennas never had pigs there. .i did.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: chopperharris on June 23, 2015, 09:39:18 AM
its changed now beyond all recognition,but i remember mrs boyds wee shop in carnmoney or davie telfords wee shop at the top of the manse road....merrymaids or and rileys toffee rolls.....am i going too far back? or abernethys grocery store in carnmoney....jim had the grocery...isreal had the post office....william had the petrol station....im no old fogie with no memory left...i forget nothing.....lol
Thank you Roadracer,
It pays for us as we used to  say "Old fogies with no memory left" to find friends like you who spent time at the other end of Mossley (towards Carnmoney), I lived in lower Mossley (the Old Row and Sunnyside) until I got married, mind you I spent every summer at the park playing tennis from I was about 10 from after school until it got dark, taught by Sydney Hamilton who taught me as much out of school as he did in the school as well as in the scouts.
Was Bryson's farm just up the Manse Road (on the right hand side) from the crossroads with (as we knew it) Carnmoney Brae, I don't remember old granda Horne but I do remember the Robinson family who lived at the crossroads, Jim and Joe played hockey when we played at the park. Again thank you for knowing this info. it has brought back some very old-time memories, I knew there was a Mussentown I just forgot where it was. Perhaps I may get back once again, to go down to the Mill and spend time checking out the old pictures and maps etc.
Jim
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on June 23, 2015, 12:42:37 PM
mckennas never had pigs there. .i did.

Well I was miss informed then, I'll get the message to Harry he was wrong. There was another name mentioned but he later changed his mind.
 Thanks.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on June 23, 2015, 12:50:48 PM
I used to motocross around those fields but can't remember exactly where Mussentown was, I'm guessing about Milewater.
There used to be a mound with what looked like the remains of a mote we made into a track with jumps, its still there today but covered in long grass. Never found out what it was.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: david7744 on June 24, 2015, 05:55:56 AM
ive found all this very exciting....looking back to my childhood in mussentown...does anyone remember stanley ferris the milkman who lived on the manse road.....his son murray carried on the business even when milk was available in 2litre packs. .brysons were the richest biggest farmers for miles around...they owned all that land at mussentown running down to old mossley. .thank u....
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on June 24, 2015, 01:17:37 PM

... does anyone remember stanley ferris the milkman who lived on the manse road ...


Was that the right hand of a pair of white rendered semi detached houses down from the Manse (Greggs lived in the Manse in my day) near enough opposite the New Estate Mossley?

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on June 24, 2015, 03:23:00 PM
Hi David
Great to hear from you, what year did you leave Mussentown. I found it in the early seventies down a little grassy laneway. From memory there was two sets of cottages and a small well. When I mentioned it to old Bob Stevenson who lived beside where the Mill Swimming Pool was, he told me it was Upper and Lower Mussentown. I have been in discussion with a couple of other people that remember about it that live in Carnmoney and Mossley.
Cheers.
Reading over the posts on this thread really brings back old, old memories, when you mentioned the swimming pool you called it the Mill Swimming Pool, I remember when Sydney Hamilton talked the powers that was in the mill back in 1949 to let him organize the cleaning of the pool, the mill did have it drained, I think it was once a year before that and built a fence around it (to prevent people from drowning in it).
All of the scout troop, about 25-30 kids and older guys (they were not know as teens then, 15-18) showed up on a Saturday I think it was in June and were to put to work as directed by Sydney. I believe it took 3-4 weekends working to clean all of the garbage and especially the muck (a hell of a lot of shovelling).
I remember that a lot of people were surprised that the pool was filled with sparkling clean water from a spring that was used by the people who lived nearby. I can testify that it was damned cold as some idiot pushed me into the deep end when it was full and I nearly drowned as I panicked because I could barely swim. I can`t really remember that a lot of people other than the scouts used the pool as it was mostly freezing cold, the scouts did use it enough to learn to swim well enough to get their swimming badges.
As a pool owner for 30 odd years here in Canada I know that you need to add algaecide and chlorine to keep the water from turning a horrible green colour, but knowing Sydney he probably looked after that, he looked after most details needed in school and the Scout troop.
Sorry for the long history lesson on the Mossley swimming pool but you are to blame as you brought back the memories, thank you.   Jim

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: RobRoy on June 24, 2015, 03:32:30 PM
Keep on talkin' Jim, leave the rest of us to do the listenin', 'tis mighty interestin' so it is. ;)
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on June 24, 2015, 08:34:24 PM
CMcG I think there was 3 sets of white semi's entrance to Glenkyle, Greggs still live in the Manse the father passed a while back so no more potatoes.

Jim in my day as a lad the pool was green and lots of frogs it was made in to a kids park in 1972.
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on June 25, 2015, 10:31:16 PM
The Ferris family lived in the Manse prior to the Greggs.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on June 27, 2015, 04:00:37 AM
The infuriating thing about this 1929 aerial photo is that if only it had extended another inch or so to the top right, you would have seen the crossroads, Ballyduff House etc...  :(

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: david7744 on June 27, 2015, 06:07:14 AM
The infuriating thing about this 1929 aerial photo is that if only it had extended another inch or so to the top right, you would have seen the crossroads, Ballyduff House etc...  :(

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716)
     i remember the mill horn blowing every morning at 7-15 7 -45...and 8-00. .great picture. .no horn saturday or sunday.....thank you....i enjoyed that
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on June 27, 2015, 10:26:56 AM

... i remember the mill horn blowing every morning at 7-15 7 -45...and 8-00 ...


And at lunchtime.  And at teatime.  :)

And several times late at night during the 1970s due to the troubles...

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on June 27, 2015, 09:19:36 PM
And at lunchtime.  And at teatime.  :)

And several times late at night during the 1970s due to the troubles...
Hi C,
I remember the horn in the mornings very well and you reminded me of the nights when my father who was the designated air raid warden for the mill roof and when the sirens started as the German aircraft flew in over the lough to Belfast, when and if they got too close to the  Mossley/Carmoney area they would then sound the mill horn and Willie John Horner would go to each house in Sunnyside and the Old Row and we would be evacuated up the lane at the end of Sunnyside until we were far enough away to be safe if the mill was bombed, he couldn't get a proper metal hat so he would wear a small metal basin looking rather silly.
I preferred the nights when my father would take me up onto the roof with him to check which part of Belfast the aircraft were bombing that night, generally right downtown around the shipyards, but I had to be ready to scamper back down the metal stairs and away from the mill area when one or two came out our way. Boy those memories make me feel real old, that was over 70 years ago.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on June 28, 2015, 04:05:08 AM

... I remember the horn in the mornings very well and you reminded me of the nights when my father who was the designated air raid warden for the mill roof and when the sirens started as the German aircraft flew in over the lough to Belfast, when and if they got too close to the  Mossley/Carmoney area they would then sound the mill horn ...


Jim, that's a cracker memory, my father told me about the fire watcher being on the flat roof during the Belfast raids.  I think I mentioned it before in this thread, but in the late 60s / early 70s in the wooden stable block to the north of the Mill Dam we discovered the mill had its own fire pump trailer, bright red under the dust, about the size of a small car but with only two wheels, lots of dials and wheels etc. at the back, with lengths of fabric hose stored down either side and on top, the following link is pretty close to what I remember, I imagine your father might have been well aquainted with it: 

http://gmfsmuseum.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/13-dennis-trailer-pump-1938.jpg?itok=VgYGU5Am (http://gmfsmuseum.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/13-dennis-trailer-pump-1938.jpg?itok=VgYGU5Am)

I hope it eventually found a good home like the Transport Museum or somewhere like that...

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: david7744 on June 29, 2015, 10:06:36 AM
Hi C,
I remember the horn in the mornings very well and you reminded me of the nights when my father who was the designated air raid warden for the mill roof and when the sirens started as the German aircraft flew in over the lough to Belfast, when and if they got too close to the  Mossley/Carmoney area they would then sound the mill horn and Willie John Horner would go to each house in Sunnyside and the Old Row and we would be evacuated up the lane at the end of Sunnyside until we were far enough away to be safe if the mill was bombed, he couldn't get a proper metal hat so he would wear a small metal basin looking rather silly.
I preferred the nights when my father would take me up onto the roof with him to check which part of Belfast the aircraft were bombing that night, generally right downtown around the shipyards, but I had to be ready to scamper back down the metal stairs and away from the mill area when one or two came out our way. Boy those memories make me feel real old, that was over 70 years ago.

Jim, that's a cracker memory, my father told me about the fire watcher being on the flat roof during the Belfast raids.  I think I mentioned it before in this thread, but in the late 60s / early 70s in the wooden stable block to the north of the Mill Dam we discovered the mill had its own fire pump trailer, bright red under the dust, about the size of a small car but with only two wheels, lots of dials and wheels etc. at the back, with lengths of fabric hose stored down either side and on top, the following link is pretty close to what I remember, I imagine your father might have been well aquainted with it: 

http://gmfsmuseum.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/13-dennis-trailer-pump-1938.jpg?itok=VgYGU5Am (http://gmfsmuseum.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/13-dennis-trailer-pump-1938.jpg?itok=VgYGU5Am)

I hope it eventually found a good home like the Transport Museum or somewhere like that...

i lived in old mossloey til 1979....i dont ever remember the mill horn blowing at night. .mossley is 12 miles from belfast. .let me ask u this.....do u remember harry mckeen. .harrry had a small ice cream van and he ,for over 40 years served the people of mossley and ballyclare with confectionary and the best ice cream anyone could ask for.....he lived til he was 92....always big and fat and he would never diddle ypu in a penny.....i real good man. .he always asked this question. .do u want raspberry.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on June 29, 2015, 07:56:03 PM
Can I ask what years you lived in what you called Old Mossley and whether you were evacuated from the houses to be at a safe distance away from the mill. I lived in Lower Mossley. Upper Mossley was the White Row, Red Row, Uppertown and the Villas where CMcG lived. We lived 3 different houses of the Old Row (#1, #16 and #4 because they had to be repaired after the war in 1945 which included changing the stairs from wood to concrete as there was no wood available at that time to repair them, and which my younger brother fell down from top to bottom. The years I lived in those houses were 1937-1964 when I got married and moved to live in Carnmoney until 1968 when I left to  come to Canada.
The only years when the horn was sounded to alert the population of Mossley were late 1940 until early 1942 during the air raids on Belfast.  The Germans decided it was not worth using the man power on Belfast when they could create more damage in England and Southern Scotland and use less fuel.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: david7744 on June 30, 2015, 05:21:20 AM
i lived in old mossley from 1965 til 1980. .before that i lived in mussentown just across the fields from mossley. .i knew a lot of people that lived in the villas. .billy mcgaffin. .anne mcgaffin and her brother ian.....george perry.....ernie knox. .tommy crawford.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: david7744 on June 30, 2015, 05:22:22 AM
Can I ask what years you lived in what you called Old Mossley and whether you were evacuated from the houses to be at a safe distance away from the mill. I lived in Lower Mossley. Upper Mossley was the White Row, Red Row, Uppertown and the Villas where CMcG lived. We lived 3 different houses of the Old Row (#1, #16 and #4 because they had to be repaired after the war in 1945 which included changing the stairs from wood to concrete as there was no wood available at that time to repair them, and which my younger brother fell down from top to bottom. The years I lived in those houses were 1937-1964 when I got married and moved to live in Carnmoney until 1968 when I left to  come to Canada.
The only years when the horn was sounded to alert the population of Mossley were late 1940 until early 1942 during the air raids on Belfast.  The Germans decided it was not worth using the man power on Belfast when they could create more damage in England and Southern Scotland and use less fuel.
i was born 1952. .well after the war.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on June 30, 2015, 05:04:39 PM

i lived in old mossley from 1965 til 1980. .before that i lived in mussentown just across the fields from mossley. .i knew a lot of people that lived in the villas. .billy mcgaffin. .anne mcgaffin and her brother ian.....george perry.....ernie knox. .tommy crawford.


Hi David7744, that's the Villas OK, I am one of the McGaffins, the residents I remember were:

1 - James Adams and wife
2 - Tommy and Madge Crawford and children including Elizabeth Crawford who went on to marry Barney (I've forgotten his surname), David Crawford who was in a bad accident, Richard Crawford, Eddie Crawford, and Alan Crawford (who became a butcher), there were a few keen bowlers amongst them
3 - old Mr McNeill and wife - he rode about on an old black bicycle for years
4 - Ernie Knox and wife and son - I can't remember who was before Ernie
5 - us McGaffins
6 - Billy and Iris Moore and daughter
7 - George Perry and wife (related to the Burns family in the Castle)
8 - the Duffy's, including sons Peter and Paul

Many long gone, such is the passage of time...

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: david7744 on July 01, 2015, 08:43:03 AM
Hi David7744, that's the Villas OK, I am one of the McGaffins, the residents I remember were:

1 - James Adams and wife
2 - Tommy and Madge Crawford and children including Elizabeth Crawford who went on to marry Barney (I've forgotten his surname), David Crawford who was in a bad accident, Richard Crawford, Eddie Crawford, and Alan Crawford (who became a butcher), there were a few keen bowlers amongst them
3 - old Mr McNeill and wife - he rode about on an old black bicycle for years
4 - Ernie Knox and wife and son - I can't remember who was before Ernie
5 - us McGaffins
6 - Billy and Iris Moore and daughter
7 - George Perry and wife (related to the Burns family in the Castle)
8 - the Duffy's, including sons Peter and Paul

Many long gone, such is the passage of time...
.elizabeth is dead now.....died in 2008...tommy and wife gone also. .is ur father still alive. .i remember him working in the mill....he was a boss there. .
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on July 01, 2015, 12:20:00 PM
CMcG
Remember the Duffy twins well (chalk and cheese) from primary school, last I heard of them was one of them joined a circus as mid teenager.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on July 01, 2015, 01:42:24 PM

 .elizabeth is dead now.....died in 2008...tommy and wife gone also. .is ur father still alive. .i remember him working in the mill....he was a boss there. .


I had heard about Elizabeth, very sad indeed. My father's long dead now, must be over 15 years ago, where does the time go?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on July 01, 2015, 01:49:32 PM

Remember the Duffy twins well (chalk and cheese) from primary school, last I heard of them was one of them joined a circus as mid teenager.


Chalk and cheese, I couldn't put it better, if you hadn't have met them, you wouldn't believe how two twins would be so different in character.

I know I'm repeating myself here, but I remember the father Mr Duffy for the wee anti-smoking routine he did with a dummy smoking a cigarette, he visited us a couple of times when in primary school, very few if any folk from my era remember that, yet it's seared into my mind. Like Ferni the magician who also visited us several times with a shed load of props and stuff on the back of his wobbly bike.

 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on July 01, 2015, 02:11:25 PM

Remember the Duffy twins well (chalk and cheese) from primary school, last I heard of them was one of them joined a circus as mid teenager.


And just when you said that, also just remembered were two other sets of brothers, the Moore brothers and the Osbornes, one of the Osbornes I remember came to a dreadful end on the railway line not far from the Mossley bridge.

Isn't it funny what pops into you head once you think back, I've just remembered a man taken on by the Mill in the 1970s, I think as a security / gate man, nicknamed "nyuk nyuk" because of the way he spoke, I have something in my head about him making a weapon out of a table leg and chaining this to his belt  just in case...
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on July 02, 2015, 09:03:49 AM
CMcG the railway accident I do remember didn't know the Osborne's, Moore's only Stewarty and Billy older than me. In the mid seventies hung around with many Mossley boy's some being Horne, Beck, McKnight, Wilson, Fenning. Quite a few had their first job in the mill back then.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on July 21, 2015, 04:44:01 AM
Can't remember if I posted this before, but this is the only photo I have of the old Mossley Mill house, circa mid 1960s, looking from south to north:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/MossleyMillHouse.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on July 21, 2015, 05:53:21 AM
Looking at that photo reminds me that at a certain time of year, the grass in the foreground from where the photo was taken was absolutely covered in daffodils.  The surrounding trees included a couple of horse chestnuts which provided loads of conkers in the autumn.  In the background (top left) you can just see the red brick of the rear of the Mill Buildings, out of sight to the left was the Mill garden, which I remember had loads of strawberries and had one of the highest hedges I have ever seen.  Out of sight to the right behind the Mill house was an old stone stable block.

Here's the link back to the 1929 aerial shot, you can see the trees and the rise in the ground just SW of the Mill house from where the 1960s photo was taken, you can even see the large tree in the lawn immediately opposite the Mill house (in the 1960s photo, only a large trunk left standing):

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716?search=henry%20campbell&ref=0 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716?search=henry%20campbell&ref=0)
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: david7744 on July 21, 2015, 08:43:12 AM
Looking at that photo reminds me that at a certain time of year, the grass in the foreground from where the photo was taken was absolutely covered in daffodils.  The surrounding trees included a couple of horse chestnuts which provided loads of conkers in the autumn.  In the background (top left) you can just see the red brick of the rear of the Mill Buildings, out of sight to the left was the Mill garden, which I remember had loads of strawberries and had one of the highest hedges I have ever seen.  Out of sight to the right behind the Mill house was an old stone stable block.

Here's the link back to the 1929 aerial shot, you can see the trees and the rise in the ground just SW of the Mill house from where the 1960s photo was taken, you can even see the large tree in the lawn immediately opposite the Mill house (in the 1960s photo, only a large trunk left standing):

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716?search=henry%20campbell&ref=0 (http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716?search=henry%20campbell&ref=0)
ur father was a manager for many years in the mill.....if he is alive ...he must be nearly 100.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on July 21, 2015, 12:49:06 PM

ur father was a manager for many years in the mill.....if he is alive ...he must be nearly 100.


He's long gone now, many's the time we stood at the base of the trees firing a big stick up at the branches to bring down the conkers...
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: david7744 on July 22, 2015, 04:09:54 AM
And just when you said that, also just remembered were two other sets of brothers, the Moore brothers and the Osbornes, one of the Osbornes I remember came to a dreadful end on the railway line not far from the Mossley bridge.

Isn't it funny what pops into you head once you think back, I've just remembered a man taken on by the Mill in the 1970s, I think as a security / gate man, nicknamed "nyuk nyuk" because of the way he spoke, I have something in my head about him making a weapon out of a table leg and chaining this to his belt  just in case...
.nyuk nyuk was an ex bus driver. .we used to ask him him how long the next bus will be. .he always replied. .about 40 feet. .he thought that was hilarious. .but a good man.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on July 22, 2015, 07:06:24 AM
CMcg
Was the entrance to the mill house from the cottage at the bottom of the Manse Road. Looks like the swimming pool at the top of that picture.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on July 22, 2015, 11:32:40 AM

CMcg
Was the entrance to the mill house from the cottage at the bottom of the Manse Road. Looks like the swimming pool at the top of that picture.


Yes, the cottage at the bottom of the Manse Road was one of three entrances, it was a.k.a. the "Gate Lodge" for Mossley Mill, and was more of a back entrance in my time.  You could also use the front entrance to the Mill down the Mill Avenue at Bridge End, then go through the complex of Mill buildings to get to the Mill house.  Finally there was another back entrance to the Mill on the opposite of the road to nos 1 and 2 "The Villas".
     
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on July 22, 2015, 11:34:02 AM

 .nyuk nyuk was an ex bus driver. .we used to ask him him how long the next bus will be. .he always replied. .about 40 feet. .he thought that was hilarious. .but a good man.


That's him OK, when you said ex bus driver it all came back to me.
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: KB75 on October 16, 2015, 03:09:36 PM
Can't remember if I posted this before, but this is the only photo I have of the old Mossley Mill house, circa mid 1960s, looking from south to north:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/MossleyMillHouse.jpg)
My mum (Averil) worked in this house and has lived in 8 The Villas since 1980. I currently live in Lakeview (new development built on what was known as 'the orchard' in approx 1994) and when I moved there the mill house was nothing more than a pile of rubble. This area (which is at the bottom of my street) is now transformed into the Newtownabbey Way. I will try to post a photo later.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on October 16, 2015, 03:16:00 PM
Hi, I lived in 8 The Villas Mossley, then 5 The Villas (1960s/1970s), looking forward to your post, Averil was a name I recognise, maybe in the Burns family? Though I don't recognise 'the orchard' reference?

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on December 11, 2015, 04:23:59 AM
Hi CMcG,
Long time since we conversed, my daughter decided I should stop talking about Mossley and the Mill and back to see it, so we did in early September. You could say it was the trip of a lifetime but really it was a trip which it took me 4-5 weeks to recover from, I was exhausted when we got back. However, it brought back some wonderful memories of Mossley, especially the Mill where Karen and I stood in the Spinning Room were my father spent all of his working days and which as you know has been thoroughly gutted and made into a museum.
Now for some really enlightening news which I hope to let you know about:

Sidney McCracken Hamilton was born in Dungannon, N. Ireland in 1911,
he married Eileen Rose Patterson in 1941 in Belfast.
He was the headmaster of a primary school in Mossley, Newtownabbey until 1974.
The above knowledge I have already known for some time, the following I did not:

Upon retirement the family moved to Troon, Ayrshire - Sidney died there in 1997,
Eileen his wife died in 2007 - they lived at 11 Fraser Avenue in Troon.

Well that is my update to the Sydney Hamilton mystery,
I suppose we should leave the story at that point in time.
At least he got to have a 23-year long retirement, I hope it was enjoyable.
He was a wonderful man to have known in my life.

Jim Anderson
Former pupil, boy scout and Asst. Cubmaster

 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on December 11, 2015, 05:28:09 PM
Jim, good to hear from you and that you enjoyed your trip back to Mossley, albeit that it nearly put your lights out for a few weeks after.

Thank you for your update on Sidney Hamilton, enlightening it most certainly was, for I was able to piece some bits and bobs together from the internet and various genealogy records and I have a wee update of my own for you which I will post after this.

Just to say that I had a peek at Fraser Avenue, Troon on Google Maps and Streetview and it looks lovely - a short walk from the golf course and about a mile from Troon beach.  I'm pleased with the notion that he got to enjoy a good length of years in retirement in such a nice area.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on December 11, 2015, 05:49:11 PM

Sidney McCracken Hamilton was born on Thursday 21st September 1911, at Castle Hill, Dungannon.  His parents were recorded as Thomas Hamilton (a bread server) and Margaret McCracken.
 
Below are his parents and siblings in the 1911 census (just under 6 months before Sidney was born), you can see that:

- parents Thomas Hamilton and Margaret McCracken were both born in County Down;
- the 3 older children were born in Belfast;
- the 4th (2 year old) child was born in Tyrone;
- Thomas and Margaret were married 14 years (ie. c. 1897);
- they had 5 children born, but only 4 children living.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Dungannon/Castle_Hill/868662/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Dungannon/Castle_Hill/868662/)
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on December 11, 2015, 06:08:27 PM
Sidney's parents, Thomas Hamilton and Margaret McCracken, got married on Saturday 16th January 1897 in Albertbridge Congregational Church, Belfast.  Bachelor Thomas was living at 67 Lindsay Street, Belfast, his father was recorded as Hugh Hamilton, a merchant. Spinster Margaret McCracken was living at 227 Shankill Road, her father was recorded as John McCracken, a schoolmaster - maybe this is who Sidney got his vocation from.
 
This was Thomas and Margaret in the 1901 census with their first child Florence, living in Agincourt Street, Belfast:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cromac/Agincourt_Street/967935/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cromac/Agincourt_Street/967935/)
 
Unfortunately Florence must have been the child indicated as having died in the 1911 census, for she died on 30 April 1906 and is buried in grave 495 of section C3 in Dundonald Cemetery:
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=4504.357 (https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=4504.357)

In the same grave are her parents (and parents of Sidney and siblings):

- Thomas Hamilton, who died on 15th April 1938, address 16 Lawrence Street Belfast:
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8263.15310 (https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8263.15310)
 
- Margaret (McCracken) Hamilton, who died on 1st June 1960, address 16 Lawrence Street Belfast.
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8643.1620 (https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8643.1620)

The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) has the following Will calendar Index entries:
 
Hamilton Thomas of 16 Lawrence Street Belfast breadserver died 15 April 1938 at The Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast Administration Belfast 10 August to Margaret Hamilton the widow. Effects £689 12s. 5d.
 
Hamilton, Margaret of 16 Lawrence Street Belfast widow died 1 June 1960 Probate Belfast 9 January to Stanley Ian Hamilton company director Thomas Aubrey Hamilton clerk and Sidney McCracken Hamilton principal school teacher. Effects £8471 19s. 9d.


So that is an update on Sidney Hamilton's brothers, sisters, and parents.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on December 12, 2015, 04:41:01 AM
So Thomas Hamilton and Margaret McCracken who got married in 1897 were the parents of Sidney McCracken Hamilton.

Turning first to Sidney's father, Thomas Hamilton.  He was the son of Hugh Hamilton and Mary Jane McCracken (yes, that name again), who got married in Dromore Unitarian Church, County Down, on the 6th November 1863. Bachelor Hugh Hamilton was from the townland of Lappoges in the parish of Dromore, the son of John Hamilton, a farmer. Spinster Mary Jane McCracken was from the townland of Magherabeg in the parish of Dromore, the daughter of William McCracken, a farmer. Hugh Hamilton and Mary Jane McCracken went on to have a number of children, including Thomas Hamilton (Sidney's father) on the 12th January 1872.

Turning then to Sidney's mother, Margaret McCracken. She was the daughter of John McCracken (a National School Teacher) and Agnes (a.k.a. Nancy) Dugan, who got married in Magherally Presbyterian Church, County Down, on the 27th May 1864. Bachelor John McCracken was from the townland of Tullyhinan in the parish of Magherally (which is beside the parish of Dromore mentioned above), he was the son of James McCracken, a farmer. Spinster Agnes Dugan was from the townland of Ballycross in the parish of Magherally, the daughter of William Dugan, a farmer. John McCracken and Agnes Dugan went on to have a number of children, including Margaret McCracken (Sidney's mother) on the 23rd March 1870.

The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) has the following Will Calendars index entry (GRONI online shows a reported age of 72 at the time of death):  Probate of the Will of John M'Cracken late of Tullyhinan County Down National School Teacher who died 25 August 1900 granted at Belfast to John Adams Farmer.

So there you have it, Sidney McCracken Hamilton's parents (Thomas Hamilton and Margaret McCracken) and both sets of grandparents (Hugh Hamilton and Mary Jane McCracken, John McCracken and Agnes Dugan) all came from Dromore / Magherally in County Down.

 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: david7744 on January 01, 2016, 03:24:34 AM
HAPPY NEW YEAR ANYBODY THAT IS READING THIS. .ITS GREAT TO BE ALIVE. .OR AS VAN MORRISON SAYS. .WOULDNT IT BE GREAT IF IT WAS LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME.  
Title: billy Dunn
Post by: Helendunn on January 29, 2016, 09:10:18 PM
Hi my name is Helen Dunn niece of billy Dunn. Does anyone remember his sisters Margaret (Peggy) Agnes (esma)
Title: Re: billy Dunn
Post by: JimIGS on January 31, 2016, 10:57:21 PM
Hi my name is Helen Dunn niece of billy Dunn. Does anyone remember his sisters Margaret (Peggy) Agnes (esma)
Hi Helen,
My apologies for the delay in replying to your post.
I was a friend of your uncle Billy who worked in the mill with my father Sammy Anderson .
When I say that I was your uncle's friend it was when both of us went to Mossley Primary School behind the Old Row.
I can't remember what trouble we got into especially on the dark nights when we put a thread on different people's knocker
and pull it from the other side of the street, and we also put a firework into people`s keyhole, of course we eventually got chased down past the Orange Hall and generally ended-up down on the railway lines hiding somewhere.
I remember Peggy quite well but I think that Esma was much younger than we were, my problem was that I went to high school in Ballyclare and then went to work in Belfast and did not see Billy and Davy Hunter etc. as much as when I was younger.
When I next see my sisters who live in Toronto I will mention that you posted asking about people who would know Peggy and Esma.

 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: YC on February 17, 2016, 05:09:26 PM
Fascinating info regarding Sydney Hamilton.
Mossley School is currently trying to produce some history on the school and would be very grateful for any stories, photographs and memories that people have.  I have just joined the Forum and have been reading some of the recent posts.  Love it!  Any info gratefully accepted.  I've done a lot of research at PRONI and find lots of information regarding the first national school.  The first school on the Hazelburn Road site is rather more difficult to get information on, however, but stories, photos and memories from all ages very welcome.  Don't know yet how to post a photograph but I have a few that might be of interest.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on April 04, 2016, 10:43:47 PM
Fascinating info regarding Sydney Hamilton.
Mossley School is currently trying to produce some history on the school and would be very grateful for any stories, photographs and memories that people have.  I have just joined the Forum and have been reading some of the recent posts.  Love it!  Any info gratefully accepted.  I've done a lot of research at PRONI and find lots of information regarding the first national school.  The first school on the Hazelburn Road site is rather more difficult to get information on, however, but stories, photos and memories from all ages very welcome.  Don't know yet how to post a photograph but I have a few that might be of interest.
Hi YC,
I am the guy who started this thread I think it was in March 2011 in the hope that I would find out something about what happened to Sidney Hamilton who was a guiding light in my early days (I believe he joined the school towards the end of the war (the so-called war to end all wars). I lived in Lower Mossley, that was the Old Row (33 houses, the bottom house being almost opposite the Orange Hall), Sunnyside (I think 14 houses opposite the top houses in the Old Row) and Lodge Row which was opposite the bottom of the Manse Road.
Upper Mossley consisted of Bridge End at the top of the Mill buildings on what we called Carnmoney Road (I have no idea where Hazelburn Road is, I did not know it existed. Around the Mill Dam there was the White Crescent (we called it the White Row), then the Red Crescent (the Red Row) and between them was a laneway which lead up to Uppertown (aptly named as it was about 50 yards behind the other houses).
My good friend CMcG who I have never met  (lots of posts in this thread), but that doesn't matter as I have made numerous friends on the Belfast Forum in the past 5 years, his family lived in one of the villas as did the Perry and Moore families, I think there were 8 or 9 houses there. As he has pointed out in earlier threads he is younger than I am and I think followed me to Ballyclare High School 3-4 years later than I attended BHS, I was there between 1948-1951.
That information brings me to one of Sidney's major achievements when he had 9 students take the Qualifying Examination and 7 passed with flying colours which was pretty darned good for a little village school beside the railway and hidden behind the Old Row. He also did not stop encouraging us to become involved in sports, other than football which we played with a tennis ball or what ever ball we could find in the playground beside the Fennings house which was attached to the school. Sidney had us quickly progress to table tennis with the table which he somehow purloined from somewhere to show up in the classroom where Sidney taught 3 classes (we played at lunch time or after 3 pm at the end of the school day. That progressed us to somehow get a tennis an old racquet so that he could teach us the finer points of the game of tennis, I am glad to say that I spent many many  summer hours up at the courts beside the bowling green, mostly getting into trouble with my parents for not appearing home in time for tea-time.
These are my ancient 70-75 year old memories of Mossley Primary starting in 1941 taught to me by very good teachers who cared for what the students learned, especially Sidney who continued my education in the Boy Scouts which included camps at Dublin, Glasgow, Edinburgh, London (at Gillwell Park) and outside Paris, all in the late 40s and earlier 50s.
My memory banks have become a little tired at the moment as well as my fingers but I will try to provide some further information for you at a later date.
Jim Anderson

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: YC on April 05, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
Jim, great to hear from you and delighted to hear of any more stories or pictures you may have.  I lived at the bottom of the Manse Road and went to Mossley during the 1960s.  My brothers were there when they went to the "new" school on the Hazelburn Road.  That's the housing development on the Manse Road.  I am assuming you no longer live in Mossley, would that be correct?

I have been trying to get in touch with CMcG and have written to his sister as I believe that he has a lot of information and possibly photographs that might be of interest.  So if you are in touch please mention this to him.  I can be contacted at the school if necessary. 

Mr Mulligan is the current Principal and we are now into the third Mossley Primary School.  Still on the Hazelburn Road site, just a bit further back on the site.  We are in there now about 7 years (I think, I would need to confirm that).  Excellent state of the art facilities and we just received an Outstanding in a inspection report.  Which of course delighted everyone.  Changed days from the old blackboard and easel.  My aunt, who is 91, remembers the pot-bellied stove which heated the building - I think that was probably the only difference from then til it closed in 1970.  Someone I was speaking to recently was talking about having to close the windows when the train went past or the room filled with smoke!!  Excellent stories.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on April 08, 2016, 09:52:26 AM
Hi YC
I started in the new school in Hazelburn in 1971, my P7 teacher then was Herbie Martin. Sydney was the headmaster.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: YC on April 08, 2016, 10:31:54 PM
Hi Road racer. You must be about the age of the Jaunty twins?
Any tales, photos or stories gladly accepted.

Everyone remembers something that others have forgotten which is just brilliant

Herbie was in as a student teacher in the orange hall when I was there. That's when it was used as a classroom.

His wife was a teacher in Hazelburn Road.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on April 10, 2016, 09:59:12 AM
YC
I remember your brothers G&L very well and yourself. They are about one year older than me and great motorcycle fans like myself.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on April 11, 2016, 03:49:42 AM
Jim, great to hear from you and delighted to hear of any more stories or pictures you may have.  I lived at the bottom of the Manse Road and went to Mossley during the 1960s.  My brothers were there when they went to the "new" school on the Hazelburn Road.  That's the housing development on the Manse Road.  I am assuming you no longer live in Mossley, would that be correct?
Mr Mulligan is the current Principal and we are now into the third Mossley Primary School.  Still on the Hazelburn Road site, just a bit further back on the site.  We are in there now about 7 years (I think, I would need to confirm that).  Excellent state of the art facilities and we just received an Outstanding in a inspection report.  Which of course delighted everyone.  Changed days from the old blackboard and easel.  My aunt, who is 91, remembers the pot-bellied stove which heated the building - I think that was probably the only difference from then til it closed in 1970.  Someone I was speaking to recently was talking about having to close the windows when the train went past or the room filled with smoke!!  Excellent stories.
Hi YC,
It is me again with a little more from my old memory banks but before I get to that you guessed correctly that I no longer live in Mossley and have not for 48 years as I live just outside Toronto in Ontario, Canada. I have no recollection of what I think is referred to as New Mossley i.e. the houses built between the lower Manse Road and the Mill on the fields that the owners of the Mill had no further need to keep. In the early fifties I played football (soccer in Canada & the U.S.) for the Mossley Y.M. Football Club along with my older brother Jack and my cousin Ross Aiken as well as many of the boys I had attended Mossley School with, we played in the Churches League attached to the Sunday School which met in the Orange Hall on Sunday afternoons.
After injuring my spine quite severely picking up packages at the docks in Belfast I had to give up football as a Saturday recreation but was able to play my favourite sport which was tennis and again I have none other than Sidney Hamilton to thank for introducing me to that wonderful sport after he had taught me how to play table tennis at lunch times in that school behind the Old Row and then I joined my younger brother Clarke to play field hockey which included going to Dublin to win the Irish Junior Hockey Cup in the 1960s before we left to live in Canada.
As well as all the sports I played, another pastime was spent in the Boy Scout Troop which was formed by Sidney not long after he arrived in Mossley. Another was playing in Ballyduff Flute Band which I joined at 9 years of age and continued for 20 years as a member until I left Ireland in 1968 to come to Canada. The band became Ballyduff Silver Band because of the very expensive cost of flutes and I spent many happy nights along with a lot of my classmates from Mossley school, last year my daughter convinced me to take a trip "back home" as we call it and I had the pleasure of attending a band practice to hear what has become a group of wonderful male and female musicians who play like a symphony orchestra, we would never have thought back in the 1940s that Ballyduff Band would give so many people the pleasure of wonderfully played music.
So as you can see that thanks to Sidney Hamilton a lot of the students of the school lived very full and rewarding lives, a lot of people went to different places in different countries thanks to the Scout Troop. Many people became athletes because they played table tennis, tennis and badminton because of his encouragement for them to become active. Again my ancient memory has started to fail me but I hope to find some photographs of some of the past 60 years in the coming weeks which may bring back memories for other students of the 40s and 50s.
Jim Anderson
A grateful student of Mossley Primary School
 
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on April 11, 2016, 10:45:17 AM
Hi Jim
The Hazelburn area of Mossley was built 1968/69 known to us as New Mossley back in early seventies. However today known as New Mossley started building about 1976 on Byson's farm land is what is now called New Mossley  ???
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on April 11, 2016, 09:19:35 PM
Hi Jim
The Hazelburn area of Mossley was built 1968/69 known to us as New Mossley back in early seventies. However today known as New Mossley started building about 1976 on Byson's farm land is what is now called New Mossley  ???
Hi Roadracer,

Isn't that typical of the people elected to be able to use their "excellent" minds to think much better than we can, WELL GUESS WHAT
they are all the same pitiful excuse who are only there to line their pockets or to seem to be important. They could not think of a different name for part of a village which has been in existance for over 100 years and who are paid over six figures to do so, they are just the same in my neck of the woods here in Canada, as we used to say if their brains were made out of dynamite they couldn't blow their duncher off.

I am assuming you are or were a fan of the bike racing up at the 7-mile straight or when they slowed things at Dundrod, my wife loved to go up there and when we got married we went over to the Isle of Man on our honeymoon for the racing there. Again I believe that the Isle of Man has been wrecked by a committee and is nothing like what we knew back in the sixties, a minority lining their pockets at the expense of the general public and the holiday makers who loved the place. 
Jim
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: McNamee on April 11, 2016, 09:26:32 PM
Anyone remember a female teacher at Mosley called Mrs Brenda or Barbara Campbell.  Around 1983/84?
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: YC on April 12, 2016, 12:07:55 AM
Hi YC,
It is me again with a little more from my old memory banks but before I get to that you guessed correctly that I no longer live in Mossley and have not for 48 years as I live just outside Toronto in Ontario, Canada. I have no recollection of what I think is referred to as New Mossley i.e. the houses built between the lower Manse Road and the Mill on the fields that the owners of the Mill had no further need to keep. In the early fifties I played football (soccer in Canada & the U.S.) for the Mossley Y.M. Football Club along with my older brother Jack and my cousin Ross Aiken as well as many of the boys I had attended Mossley School with, we played in the Churches League attached to the Sunday School which met in the Orange Hall on Sunday afternoons.
After injuring my spine quite severely picking up packages at the docks in Belfast I had to give up football as a Saturday recreation but was able to play my favourite sport which was tennis and again I have none other than Sidney Hamilton to thank for introducing me to that wonderful sport after he had taught me how to play table tennis at lunch times in that school behind the Old Row and then I joined my younger brother Clarke to play field hockey which included going to Dublin to win the Irish Junior Hockey Cup in the 1960s before we left to live in Canada.
As well as all the sports I played, another pastime was spent in the Boy Scout Troop which was formed by Sidney not long after he arrived in Mossley. Another was playing in Ballyduff Flute Band which I joined at 9 years of age and continued for 20 years as a member until I left Ireland in 1968 to come to Canada. The band became Ballyduff Silver Band because of the very expensive cost of flutes and I spent many happy nights along with a lot of my classmates from Mossley school, last year my daughter convinced me to take a trip "back home" as we call it and I had the pleasure of attending a band practice to hear what has become a group of wonderful male and female musicians who play like a symphony orchestra, we would never have thought back in the 1940s that Ballyduff Band would give so many people the pleasure of wonderfully played music.
So as you can see that thanks to Sidney Hamilton a lot of the students of the school lived very full and rewarding lives, a lot of people went to different places in different countries thanks to the Scout Troop. Many people became athletes because they played table tennis, tennis and badminton because of his encouragement for them to become active. Again my ancient memory has started to fail me but I hope to find some photographs of some of the past 60 years in the coming weeks which may bring back memories for other students of the 40s and 50s.
Jim Anderson
A grateful student of Mossley Primary School

Love this Jim.  We now have Old Mossley, Middle Mossley and New Mossley.   Soooo original. Is it ok if I print off your comments about Sydney, the school etc. It's all going to the current principal Mr Milligan for school archive history.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: YC on April 12, 2016, 12:17:16 AM
Anyone remember a female teacher at Mosley called Mrs Brenda or Barbara Campbell.  Around 1983/84?

Brenda Campbell lovely lady. Taught my son Paul around 1997/98
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on April 12, 2016, 04:47:41 AM
Love this Jim.  We now have Old Mossley, Middle Mossley and New Mossley.   Soooo original. Is it ok if I print off your comments about Sydney, the school etc. It's all going to the current principal Mr Milligan for school archive history.
No problem YC, I would be grateful that todays students would get to realize how good Mrs Frame, Miss Caldwell and Mr. Sidney Hamilton were back in the 1940s, mind you there were some students who saw a different side of Sidney when they stepped beyond the bounds of learning and paying attention.
I just remembered a further statistic, in 1948 there were 9 students selected to take I believe the 1st Qualifying Examination which meant extra studying after school. We all trotted of to take the exam to see if we were fit to go to High School the following year, well, guess what 7 out of the 9 passed the exam, I think that nerves got to the other 2. Unfortunately when I started going to Ballyclare High School I really only saw Sidney when got together at the Boy Scout meetings which of course were held at the school between the LMS railway and the Old Row.
I have 1 request from you or someone from the school if they could let me know if any students who passed through the classes feel as  fortunate to have attended Mossley Primary School as I did.
Jim

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on April 12, 2016, 08:46:31 AM
Hi YC, I got the message from my sister, I didn't realise there were more posts to Jim's topic, I tend to lurk around the genealogy forums these days.  Alas, I wish I had taken some photos of the "new school", everything kicked off in late 1960s in the fields just beyond the old house called "The Castle" where Sidney Hamilton lived (the Burns lived there as well, we were offered the house but my mother preferred to stay where she was, pity, because it was a lovely old house). The Church of the Holy Spirit was being built at the Doagh Road end of the Manse Road and the school and the New Estate were being built with a whole new road system to provide access. Funny how everyone has a different name for the new estate, that is exactly what we called it in our family, the "New Estate, Mossley" as opposed to Old Mossley and later, New Mossley.

The map of Mossley at the link below is probably 1829-33, for it is still showing the mill as a "Cotton Works", I've placed the red crosshair approximately where the modern Mossley Primary School would be today (notice there's no Manse Road yet, that came a short while later), the amazing thing is that there is a lone house stood standing EXACTLY where the house called "The Castle" I remember was, though I imagine it must have been rebuilt since the early 1800s. 

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,732455,884649,10,7

In this aerial shot from 1929 you can see what looks the old Mossley Pavilion, bowling green and park top right, then down and to the left "The Castle", with all the fields between it and the Manse Road in the background being where the New Estate and the new Mossley Primary School were built.

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/xpw028716?search=henry%20campbell&ref=0

I never knew that the new Primary School on the Hazelburn Road had been rebuilt twice! In under 50 years! I remember the original as just an L-shaped block with the kitchen, canteen / assembly hall at one end, very modern for its time, light years more modern that the old school behind Old Row.

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on April 12, 2016, 09:40:06 AM
Funnily enough when I was talking to my sister she too remembered in the old school having to walk the short distance across the Doagh Road to the Orange Hall for dinner (later years in the Mill Canteen).

The things that come into your head, I remember us all being marched en masse in our gutties from the old school up the Mill Avenue round the Crescent to Mossley Park for Sports Day, egg and spoon race, three-legged man race and the sack race (using old hessian sacks from Campbell's Mill) were key events. There were the  galvanised wire crates that the mini bottles of milk came in, I remember the "big boys" in pairs had to deliver to the classes. There was the huge wooden shoe with cords, on which you learnt to tie your laces.

And I remember seeing rats in the old school playground, the railway embankment beside must have been full of them. And then there are the names no doubt posted before, eg. Mrs Frame in her Mercedes always immaculately turned out like a film star, Ms. Dunlop, Ms. Auld, Ms. Sands.

I don't think there was much on the Manse Road before the New Estate and school were built and the "Christine" / "Glenkyle" developments on the other side. Obviously there was the Manse and a couple of white rendered semi detached houses near it (I think a milk delivery man lived in one, I seem to remember the milk truck in the drive).  At the other end of the Manse Road, up a bit from and on the other side of the road from the old Gate Lodge, was a detached red brick house which was built by a Mr Adams who lived at 1 The Villas Mossley.

I do remember the story that when they were building the bungalows on the Carnmoney Road, at the bit where they cut the Carnmoney Road in two to divert it to a new Beverley Road (the Carnmoney Road on the Mossley side became Carnmoney Road North), they allegedly found a Roman coin, which was very unusual.

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on April 12, 2016, 10:01:21 AM
In this slightly later map (est. 1834 - 1841) the Manse Road (and Manse) have appeared:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/map.jpg)

You can also see the rather odd chevron shaped field east of "The Castle" shown in this map in the 1929 aerial photo previously posted.

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on April 13, 2016, 10:20:05 AM
Very interesting the field between our house and the Manse used to be a brick works, never new anything about that but do remember the lane running up the side of the Manse. Ballyduff house was Bryson's Farm. And the milkman Ferris drove a VW transporter van. Billy Gregg did the farm shop from the Manse.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: YC on April 13, 2016, 07:04:38 PM
Funnily enough when I was talking to my sister she too remembered in the old school having to walk the short distance across the Doagh Road to the Orange Hall for dinner (later years in the Mill Canteen).

The things that come into your head, I remember us all being marched en masse in our gutties from the old school up the Mill Avenue round the Crescent to Mossley Park for Sports Day, egg and spoon race, three-legged man race and the sack race (using old hessian sacks from Campbell's Mill) were key events. There were the  galvanised wire crates that the mini bottles of milk came in, I remember the "big boys" in pairs had to deliver to the classes. There was the huge wooden shoe with cords, on which you learnt to tie your laces.

And I remember seeing rats in the old school playground, the railway embankment beside must have been full of them. And then there are the names no doubt posted before, eg. Mrs Frame in her Mercedes always immaculately turned out like a film star, Ms. Dunlop, Ms. Auld, Ms. Sands.

I don't think there was much on the Manse Road before the New Estate and school were built and the "Christine" / "Glenkyle" developments on the other side. Obviously there was the Manse and a couple of white rendered semi detached houses near it (I think a milk delivery man lived in one, I seem to remember the milk truck in the drive).  At the other end of the Manse Road, up a bit from and on the other side of the road from the old Gate Lodge, was a detached red brick house which was built by a Mr Adams who lived at 1 The Villas Mossley.

I do remember the story that when they were building the bungalows on the Carnmoney Road, at the bit where they cut the Carnmoney Road in two to divert it to a new Beverley Road (the Carnmoney Road on the Mossley side became Carnmoney Road North), they allegedly found a Roman coin, which was very unusual.

You are quite correct.  We did have lunches in the Orange Hall at one time.  The four semi-detached white houses on the Manse Road were Stanley Ferris (the milkman) at the top end before the Manse, can't remember who was next door in the early days, beside that was the McFall family (Alan, Joan and Ian - mum and dad John and Greta - John dead a number of years now but Greta in her 90s and living in Donemana with Joan).  I can picture the people in the other house but the name escapes me at the moment.  Below that in the detached house was the Alexanders Cyril and Renee with their son James and daughter Joy - Renee is still there.  Next to that the bungalow that the Burnettes lived in (sons Paul and Martin).  The filling station was built beside them.  Further down the Manse was a white bungalow where Jim Bingham lived (still there as far as I know)  Beside that the white house with the tree lined drive was my grandmothers house (Sargent - Henry and Martha - daughters Etta and Doreen).  Doreen (my mum) married Campbell Johnston and built the red brick house next door (not Mr Adams - Edie was a half-sister of my mum who married James Adams and lived in No 1 The Villas)  We were all brought up in that house No 147.  The Glen and the river were our playground - as you sister will confirm - I think I remember her getting very dirty at a birthday party down the glen (as we called it).

The Rainey's lived in the gate lodge (in our day) and in Lodge Row The Bones family, Betty, Roy and Deirdre Dubois, Lily and Ned Blair and I can' t remember who was in the other two.

Hope this gives you some more info.

Really keen for any little memories of the school and the date you attended.  If you haven't seen the "new" school it is very impressive - def state of the art - a long way from the first one.  Which, by the way, got excellent reviews and was considered the best most impressive school when it was built in 1862!  I have the inspectors reports!
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: JimIGS on April 25, 2016, 03:57:53 AM
Anyone remember a female teacher at Mosley called Mrs Brenda or Barbara Campbell.  Around 1983/84?
McNamee I see that you come from that wonderful town of Carrickfergus which I spent a lot of hours in either when passing through after going to the Kings Arms for a dance on Saturday nights. We stopped in West Street (I think that was what it was called) to get a meat pie and chips and then drove to the milk machine at Jordanstown for the triangular milk package which was always ice cold.
I also spent many hours playing at the dances held at the golf club during the 50s and 60s until the early hours of the morning some nights, those little get togethers were a happy time for a lot of people.  Every time I have "gone home" from Canada for a visit I always went down to hear my old band Ballyduff Silver playing at the side of the castle and then walked around downtown, as I said happy days.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 29, 2016, 02:48:45 PM
Some names from the past, this from 1947:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1947Article.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 29, 2016, 04:00:08 PM
A bit of Mossley Mill's past, from February 1945, in the event it is believed that his plane crashed into the sea:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/JDCampbell.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 29, 2016, 04:13:04 PM
From 1955, standing in front of the old pavilion, no other names unfortunately:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1955Opening.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 29, 2016, 04:51:51 PM
From 1948:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1948Opening.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 29, 2016, 05:09:12 PM

This from 1949:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1948SampC.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on August 30, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
More Mossley names, these from 1955:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/HockFoot1955.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on October 05, 2016, 07:23:05 AM
Finally found a map (c.1900) with 'Mussenstown' mentioned on it, also a 'Landsdowne' about 100 yards west of it, to the north in Carntall there's a 'Curleystown', also a 'Cargowstown' and a 'Leiganfield'.

A couple of names associated with Mussenstown from 1950s newspapers include Hetherington and Gillespie.

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/Mossley1900.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on October 05, 2016, 09:34:38 AM
Brief History Of The Name 'Mossley'

Nicholas Grimshaw was born in Lancashire in 1743 where he learnt about the cotton industry. By 1776 he had moved to what is now Northern Ireland, promoting new techniques for linen, cotton and calico printing in Greencastle  and by 1800, he was one of the most important men in the cotton industry. When he died in 1805, his sons Thomas and Edmund Grimshaw carried on his cotton printing business at Whitehouse and they expanded to take over other textile works in the area, one being what is known today as Mossley.

'Mossley' is believed to have been named after the town in Lancashire where the Grimshaws had family connections.  It was the name of the Grimshaw residence in the immediate vicinity of the textile works ('Mossley House') and the wider village that evolved in the 19thC acquired the name from that.

From 'A Dictionary of Ulster Place-Names' by Dr Patrick McKay: The name Mossley has been imported from England where it is found as the name of a town south-east of Oldham in Lancashire.  The name means 'clearing by mossy land', from OE mos 'peat-bog' + OE leah 'clearing'.   

The following information was obtained from one of the Grimshaw family and others in 1839 as part of the memoirs accompanying the first Ordnance Survey of Ireland: Mossley was originally a bleaching establishment and carried on by a late Mr Thompson, but ceased about 80 years back. It afterwards became a flax scutching establishment, next a cotton factory, which business was carried on by Stenton and Graham but ceased about 35 years back. It was next changed to a calico printing establishment by the Messrs Grimshaw and remained so from about 1818 up to 1834, when it was changed to a spinning factory by the present proprietor.

One of the very first mentions I could find of the name 'Mossley' in newspapers is this one in 1833, in which Edmund Grimshaw was selling off the calico printing machinery, presumably in preparation for converting to flax spinning:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1833Grimshaw.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on October 12, 2016, 08:25:45 AM
I remember the two sets of cottages well, old Bob Stevenson only described them to me as Upper and Lower Mussentown, he lived there.
BTW CMcG the roman coin you mentioned in a previous posts was excavated from one of the Rath's near to the Laid River and railway line.

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on October 20, 2016, 06:26:05 PM
Took a couple of snaps this morning when I was out for a walk.  For this one I stood on the spot as if I had just walked over the railway bridge from the old Mossley primary school (it's closed off now), what a change from looking up the Mill Avenue all those years ago.

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/20Oct2016c.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on October 20, 2016, 06:39:14 PM
And the river still flowing down the side of the Mill, the railway track just out of shot to the right, Mossley House would have been just to the left (now a carpark).

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/MillRace.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on October 20, 2016, 06:50:39 PM
And in the Mill Grounds with autumn in full swing, looking down towards the Manse Road, the back gate / Gate Lodge just out of sight.

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/20Oct2016e.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on October 20, 2016, 07:04:23 PM
And immediately you exit where the back gate of the Mill was at the bottom of the Manse Road, you can today cross the road and continue to follow the river under the bridge on the Doagh Road.

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/20Oct2016f.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on October 20, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
Back up to Mossley, and onto the forest path that's been laid from the railway station, tracking round behind Uppertown in the old Mossley Estate, ending up at Corr's Corner, it takes about 15 minutes.

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/MossleyWalk.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: McNamee on October 20, 2016, 07:33:27 PM
Lovely pictures CMcG. My kids went to Mossley Primary School back in the day...lol.  I must take a little walk about there next time I pass.  It looks lovely.... O0
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on October 20, 2016, 07:44:06 PM

Lovely pictures CMcG. My kids went to Mossley Primary School back in the day...lol.  I must take a little walk about there next time I pass.  It looks lovely.... O0


It is a nice walk, but like most places nowadays, on the path to Corr's corner you need to watch out at certain times for what I call the zombies, they mainly emerge in the summer on late Friday / Saturday evenings just to hang about with their blue plastic bags full of cans or bottles of jungle juice and strange smelling 'tobacco'...  ;)
   

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: lynnie d on November 16, 2016, 12:20:39 PM
I have stumbled across this thread again after originally posting in the beginning of it and still find it fascinating . I wish my father Austin Downes was still alive to read it as being an original mossley man who worked in the mill all his live had always great stories to tell .My Mum Dorothy Downes still lives in their orginal house and can recall the names of anyone that ever past . she is 80yrs next march and has worked and still working in mossley primary sch for the past 40 yrs and never forgets a name .
Great history and stories in her head as well that im trying to put on paper
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 17, 2016, 08:09:01 PM
June 1927 and the new recreation facilities are being opened at Mossley Park, on the left is Robert Garrett Campbell, mill owner and on the right his daughter simply known for decades in Mossley as 'Miss Nan'.

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1927Opening.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 17, 2016, 08:20:23 PM
Another photo from the same 'opening' day at Mossley Park in 1927, I'm assuming that is the mill chimney and Carntall in the background (right), pity there were no names captioned:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1927children.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 17, 2016, 08:34:23 PM
This time a photo from 1935, contrasting the tranquility of Mossley Dam with a tragic accident in the in the Mill:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1935MM.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 17, 2016, 08:52:11 PM
The end of the war anticipated in this ad from September 1944:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1944Ad.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 22, 2016, 08:36:49 AM
5 October 1944:

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1944a.jpg)

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1944b.jpg)

(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q565/Sodabap/1944c.jpg)

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: CMcG on November 22, 2016, 08:57:26 AM
What is interesting in the previous 1944 newspaper article (apart from the mention of Mrs Frame, who taught me!) is that when I went to the school in the 1960s, midday meals were held in the Orange Hall across the road, then we moved to the Mill Canteen, so clearly something had happened to cause a move to the Orange Hall, before the move back again to the Mill Canteen.

Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: george4433 on December 13, 2016, 03:13:21 AM
i lived in mussentown....just over the field from mossleys grass pitch. .i used to go across the pitch on my way to sunnyside. .mcculloughs wee shop in sunnyside. .1966 mossley 2nds won the irish junior cup. .brian hamill....davie mckinstry.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: george4433 on December 13, 2016, 03:17:47 AM
bob mckinstry has a grocery shop halfway up the carntall road. ..and there was buttons and bows. .owned by norman mccalmonts wife cecilia. ..
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on December 16, 2016, 12:03:30 AM
I only seen the cottages after they where uninhabited, from memory there was two sets and a stone well, old Bob Stevenson called it Upper and Lower Mussentown. As kids we brought the cows in for milking on Brysons farm. In summer the tractor and trailer used the laneway through the cottages to collect the hay, this was around 1971. James was running the farm then.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on December 16, 2016, 05:32:27 AM
Yes I do remember him, he was the headmaster when I went to Mossley Primary.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: McNamee on December 16, 2016, 09:50:29 AM

Guys could you try and liven it up just a little, we're all in danger of dying from extreme boredom. By the way does anyone remember Sydney?

If he was a tall, sort of stooped gentleman, then I remember him. My children went there for a few years 1978/79...and was he interested in Music?????  All these questions... ;)
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: georghihagi23 on December 27, 2016, 05:25:02 AM
does any remember davy telfords wee shop at the top of the manse road???????
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on December 28, 2016, 11:59:18 PM
I don't remember it but some I know do, apparently it closed about 1970. On the junction with Glebe Road. So far no photo's have turned up.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Abm30 on July 12, 2018, 09:14:35 AM
Hi there...I know this thread hasn't been posted on for a long time but I stumbled across it and I have found it fascinating! My family currently own The Castle that Sydney Hamilton used to live in and I'm currently trying to do some reach into the building! The mentions of The Castle on this thread are brilliant and the maps are so interesting! If anyone has anymore information or photos of The Castle I would love to put together all the puzzle pieces! I am especially intrigued about why it is called 'The Castle' and who lived in it before Sydney Hamilton!

The Castle is now used as a daycare nursery called The Nursery and while the building has been changed to suit the needs of the business, it still retains slot of its character, old fireplaces and parents who bring their children to us comment all the time about what a beautiful building it is!

Thanks in advance!
Anna
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: L Burns/Child on August 24, 2018, 12:46:07 AM
I'm married to Davy Telford grandson
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: Roadracer on August 30, 2018, 07:37:00 PM
I'm married to Davy Telford grandson
Would I be right to think you may have lived in the "Castle" once upon a time.
Title: Re: Anyone remember Sydney Hamilton at Mossley Primary
Post by: cookstown on April 10, 2019, 06:48:30 PM
cmcg can you get in touch please.  Mossley hockey club is celebrating its 90th anniversary this year.  I think you could help.  Thanks Cookstown