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Title: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on August 05, 2013, 11:45:42 AM
 me first.
i met my beautiful girlfriend in the plaza when i was 16.
because i was from ardoyne and she was from the upper newtownards road.
we knew her parents would not approve of our relationship.
 i was playing soccer in london. when she wrote and told me that she was going to australia for two years.
well, i immediately got a clearance and quit my dream.
i went back to belfast and worked at different jobs to get some money for australia.
well, the night we left, going aboard the heysham boat, i was watching her family leaving her off and it broke my heart.
because in effect we were running away together.
i only had my da and cleeky clarke to say goodbye too.
but alas, 43 years on, we have a beautiful family and are still madly in love.
this of course is only part of my story, so tell me about yours, i would love to hear it
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Dommo on August 05, 2013, 04:49:46 PM
me first.
i met my beautiful girlfriend in the plaza when i was 16.
because i was from ardoyne and she was from the upper newtownards road.
we knew her parents would not approve of our relationship.
 i was playing soccer in london. when she wrote and told me that she was going to australia for two years.
well, i immediately got a clearance and quit my dream.
i went back to belfast and worked at different jobs to get some money for australia.
well, the night we left, going aboard the heysham boat, i was watching her family leaving her off and it broke my heart.
because in effect we were running away together.
i only had my da and cleeky clarke to say goodbye too.
but alas, 43 years on, we have a beautiful family and are still madly in love.
this of course is only part of my story, so tell me about yours, i would love to hear it
After a year's unemplyment after college I got an awful "clerical assistant" job in the NICS. I was promised (warned) that if I stuck it out long enuff I could aspire to be a "box clerk".
So I took exams in Dublin for the Eire civil service until I was hired as an executive officer in the Revenue Commission. I got that job and moved to Dublin.  I have never looked back.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Kateme on August 05, 2013, 07:53:39 PM
My father couldn't get work in N. Ireland in the 50's.  He went to England and Wales to work and we saw him every six months.  In the meantime, my mother's brothers had come to New York and one of them claimed my Dad so that we could be together.  My mother and I joined him in New York in 1960 and I've been here ever since!  Sadly, both my parents are now deceased.  But, I did gain a sister after I arrived here!  :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: tboy on August 05, 2013, 08:17:32 PM
My father couldn't get work in N. Ireland in the 50's.  He went to England and Wales to work and we saw him every six months.  In the meantime, my mother's brothers had come to New York and one of them claimed my Dad so that we could be together.  My mother and I joined him in New York in 1960 and I've been here ever since!  Sadly, both my parents are now deceased.  But, I did gain a sister after I arrived here!  :)
Nice story Kateme, I remember waving goodbye to my older brother and his new bride (Eileen Mckillen from Crumlin Street) at Nutts Corner Airport as they headed off to America. My mother never really got over it.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Tipperdarby on August 05, 2013, 09:01:09 PM
My father couldn't get work in N. Ireland in the 50's.  He went to England and Wales to work and we saw him every six months.  In the meantime, my mother's brothers had come to New York and one of them claimed my Dad so that we could be together.  My mother and I joined him in New York in 1960 and I've been here ever since!  Sadly, both my parents are now deceased.  But, I did gain a sister after I arrived here!  :)
I didn't know you had a sister!! How nice for you both. Does she live in New York State also.?

When I left Belfast in 1977 the Troubles were really bad.My sister and brother in law had emigrated to Calgary, Canada in May 1976. They were Catholic married to Protestant and it was a dodgy situation. A year later I was demented, I had 2 little boys and I didn't want them growing up in that atmosphere so my brother in law sponsored us and we arrived in Calgary May 1977. The first year was a nightmare, I now had a baby daughter as well, I missed my parents so much and every time I spoke someone would say "I beg your pardon, I didn't understand what you just said" then I would be told "oh, your accent is so cute" ..it drove me mad.  However, in Feb 1979 my parents and my youngest sister immigrated also. My sister Moira stayed in Ireland so we all missed her but, bless her, she visited very often which helped somewhat. I had nightmares about Belfast for many years but in 1992 my marriage broke up and I went for counselling. The counsellor just happened to be a man from Ireland and over the months that I saw him, out spilled all kinds of stuff about the Troubles. It was amazing how helpful it was. .look at me now, I am able to really enjoy the craic on the BF (I don't bother with the controversial threads though) I have been happily married  to a lovely French Canadian man for 18 years and, my former husband and I are friends again, we have 3 great kids together and 2 beautiful grandsons. Canadians still think my accent is cute but I don't mind that anymore. They also think I am very funny with some of my sayings!!
There, I have probably told Arder more than he wanted to know but, that's me, I don't know when to stop :D
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: RobRoy on August 05, 2013, 10:55:13 PM
Tipperrdarby, what you didn't realise was you were your father's daughter. Eventually it dawned on you without you knowing from where the strength was springing.
Take another look at the photo which you posted of your dad sitting on his seamans chest and conversing with his comrades. I believe this is one of the greatest photos I have ever seen. He is the boddhi satva of all his shipmates. You were all born into a very special family.  RR
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Moorfield Street on August 05, 2013, 11:48:03 PM
Arder.     I left Nutt's Corner Airport, September 1964 to join a ship in Tobata, Japan, when they called out my name, people thought I was going to the Tokyo Olympics!
 
I was supposed to be home for Christmas 1964 but did not return to Belfast until 1971.  In the meantime, my ship was bare boat chartered to an Australian Company (BHP) who flew out my wife and 4 children to join me in Wollongong, Australia, in May, 1965 and lived here happy ever after.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Tipperdarby on August 06, 2013, 12:10:27 AM
Tipperrdarby, what you didn't realise was you were your father's daughter. Eventually it dawned on you without you knowing from where the strength was springing.
Take another look at the photo which you posted of your dad sitting on his seamans chest and conversing with his comrades. I believe this is one of the greatest photos I have ever seen. He is the boddhi satva of all his shipmates. You were all born into a very special family.  RR
Now you have me crying RR. Thanks so much for those kind words. :-*   You know my Dad was such a quiet man and my Mom was very much the boss in our house. They adored each other and he went along with her wishes most of the time. However, you are right, my Dad had great strength, he was a survivor.....he was orphaned at 7 but he had such a positive attitude all his life. I am still getting strength from him because I feel his presence when I need him.
Thanks again, that was lovely of you.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: cyprus girl on August 06, 2013, 01:22:39 AM
Tipperrdarby, what you didn't realise was you were your father's daughter. Eventually it dawned on you without you knowing from where the strength was springing.
Take another look at the photo which you posted of your dad sitting on his seamans chest and conversing with his comrades. I believe this is one of the greatest photos I have ever seen. He is the boddhi satva of all his shipmates. You were all born into a very special family.  RR

Now you have me crying RR. Thanks so much for those kind words. :-*   You know my Dad was such a quiet man and my Mom was very much the boss in our house. They adored each other and he went along with her wishes most of the time. However, you are right, my Dad had great strength, he was a survivor.....he was orphaned at 7 but he had such a positive attitude all his life. I am still getting strength from him because I feel his presence when I need him.
Thanks again, that was lovely of you.
Tipper I am crying also, :girl_cray: what a lovely complement from RobRoy :-*
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Dommo on August 06, 2013, 01:55:44 AM
Arder.     I left Nutt's Corner Airport, September 1964 to join a ship in Tobata, Japan, when they called out my name, people thought I was going to the Tokyo Olympics!
 
I was supposed to be home for Christmas 1964 but did not return to Belfast until 1971.  In the meantime, my ship was bare boat chartered to an Australian Company (BHP) who flew out my wife and 4 children to join me in Wollongong, Australia, in May, 1965 and lived here happy ever after.
What is "bare boat"?
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Moorfield Street on August 06, 2013, 03:36:56 AM
Dommo.  Bareboat Charter means:-   The Ships Owners (in my case, Naess Denholm of Glasgow) leased the "Naess Clipper" to the Charters (B.H.P., Melbourne Australia), who changed the name to "Iron Clipper".  BHP then controlled the Technical Management and Commercial Operations.     BHP provided the Crew and all Operating Expenses.
 
It was a condition of the Charter that the Chief Engineer would remain on the ship until relieved.    I resigned from Denholms and joined BHP, after 6 months.
 
THe initial charter was for 5 years which was extended for another 5 years.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Dommo on August 06, 2013, 05:56:24 AM
Dommo.  Bareboat Charter means:-   The Ships Owners (in my case, Naess Denholm of Glasgow) leased the "Naess Clipper" to the Charters (B.H.P., Melbourne Australia), who changed the name to "Iron Clipper".  BHP then controlled the Technical Management and Commercial Operations.     BHP provided the Crew and all Operating Expenses.
 
It was a condition of the Charter that the Chief Engineer would remain on the ship until relieved.    I resigned from Denholms and joined BHP, after 6 months.
 
THe initial charter was for 5 years which was extended for another 5 years.
thanks, I don't Know anything about how that works. Interesting  how you can get sent around the globe that way.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on August 06, 2013, 09:39:48 AM
all beautiful replies, thank you
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Kateme on August 06, 2013, 07:52:18 PM
I didn't know you had a sister!! How nice for you both. Does she live in New York State also.?

When I left Belfast in 1977 the Troubles were really bad.My sister and brother in law had emigrated to Calgary, Canada in May 1976. They were Catholic married to Protestant and it was a dodgy situation. A year later I was demented, I had 2 little boys and I didn't want them growing up in that atmosphere so my brother in law sponsored us and we arrived in Calgary May 1977. The first year was a nightmare, I now had a baby daughter as well, I missed my parents so much and every time I spoke someone would say "I beg your pardon, I didn't understand what you just said" then I would be told "oh, your accent is so cute" ..it drove me mad.  However, in Feb 1979 my parents and my youngest sister immigrated also. My sister Moira stayed in Ireland so we all missed her but, bless her, she visited very often which helped somewhat. I had nightmares about Belfast for many years but in 1992 my marriage broke up and I went for counselling. The counsellor just happened to be a man from Ireland and over the months that I saw him, out spilled all kinds of stuff about the Troubles. It was amazing how helpful it was. .look at me now, I am able to really enjoy the craic on the BF (I don't bother with the controversial threads though) I have been happily married  to a lovely French Canadian man for 18 years and, my former husband and I are friends again, we have 3 great kids together and 2 beautiful grandsons. Canadians still think my accent is cute but I don't mind that anymore. They also think I am very funny with some of my sayings!!
There, I have probably told Arder more than he wanted to know but, that's me, I don't know when to stop :D
Wow Tipper - it's a tough story but a wonderful one as well - all memories that are part of you.  I remember the troubles too and how frightened my grandparents were that one of their six sons would get hurt somehow.  I think it really took such a toll on them that they both died within a year of each other 1971-1972.  I'm sure we could write a book about what we've seen and heard! I was glad to come back to NY in 1972.   My sister Caroline (named after you know who) lives on the North Fork of Long Island - 1 1/2 hours away.  We see each other on Holidays mostly and talk on the phone!   :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on August 07, 2013, 11:00:02 AM
although iv'e never heard of bare boat.
one day we were working on a sth african ship in the docks and they offered brian smith and manual quinn a job on board, supposidly for two weeks sailing to england and back. it was a short cut to getting your seamans book.
well, brian and manual had not been seen for over three months, they finally jumped ship and made thir way back to belfast, minus thier wages.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Dommo on August 07, 2013, 04:28:46 PM
although iv'e never heard of bare boat.
one day we were working on a sth african ship in the docks and they offered brian smith and manual quinn a job on board, supposidly for two weeks sailing to england and back. it was a short cut to getting your seamans book.
well, brian and manual had not been seen for over three months, they finally jumped ship and made thir way back to belfast, minus thier wages.
:D  Wild!!
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on August 09, 2013, 11:51:46 AM
:D  Wild!!
i remember that at one stage the deep sea dockers were going to go on strike, if the stevedores couldn't find out where they were. i, from memory, think it was oconner mccann who came to the party and informed us that they were both ok.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Tireman on August 14, 2013, 01:29:31 AM
I left Belfast in 1957 at the age of 22 yrs. I figured there was more life than working 7 days every week to make a living. So I left Belfast and Mackies and came to Toronto. Things were very rough to begin with and then I ended up with a job that last 32yrs. I retired when I was almost 55yrs. Have travelled the world on Cruise ships  have been to every continent except Antarctica.  Have had a very comfortable life and now live in a gated community with its own private golf course and club house with pool gym etc. I met my wife in Carnlough while we where both on holiday. She followed me to Canada and are now married 57yrs come November. All the best from Tireman.
 
 
 
I left Belfast in 1957
i remember that at one stage the deep sea dockers were going to go on strike, if the stevedores couldn't find out where they were. i, from memory, think it was oconner mccann who came to the party and informed us that they were both ok.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on August 14, 2013, 10:35:44 AM
I left Belfast in 1957 at the age of 22 yrs. I figured there was more life than working 7 days every week to make a living. So I left Belfast and Mackies and came to Toronto. Things were very rough to begin with and then I ended up with a job that last 32yrs. I retired when I was almost 55yrs. Have travelled the world on Cruise ships  have been to every continent except Antarctica.  Have had a very comfortable life and now live in a gated community with its own private golf course and club house with pool gym etc. I met my wife in Carnlough while we where both on holiday. She followed me to Canada and are now married 57yrs come November. All the best from Tireman.
 
 
 
I left Belfast in 1957
how beautiful. congrat's
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Tireman on August 23, 2013, 08:19:54 PM
how beautiful. congrat's
hi arder lavery
My wife  was born and lived in Alliance Ave until coming to Canada. She was in one of the 4 houses that was bombed during the troubles at Berwick Road and Alliance Ave. The ground then became a peace park and they have now rebuilt 4 new houses.All the best Tireman[/
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Seadun on December 16, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
Hi Arder:
My wife and I were shopping at Woolworths in the seventies and my wee daughter, all of two years old, toddled over to the security guard, with her arms held up and out to her sides, ready to be searched.  No one had told her to do this and the old guy thought it was very cute; we went to Canada House that same day and started the emigration procedure.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: zeebeedee on December 16, 2013, 05:48:45 PM
Woke up one day in 1977 in my 2 up 2 down with no hot water, outside toilet and rats and thought what the hell is there here worth fighting for and what is there to bring my kids up to look forward to. So I left within a week and never looked back, I tend only to return for funerals while my wife does weddings and christenings

 ;) 
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: doffer3 on December 17, 2013, 11:48:22 PM
I left Belfast in 1957 at the age of 22 yrs. I figured there was more life than working 7 days every week to make a living. So I left Belfast and Mackies and came to Toronto. Things were very rough to begin with and then I ended up with a job that last 32yrs. I retired when I was almost 55yrs. Have travelled the world on Cruise ships  have been to every continent except Antarctica.  Have had a very comfortable life and now live in a gated community with its own private golf course and club house with pool gym etc. I met my wife in Carnlough while we where both on holiday. She followed me to Canada and are now married 57yrs come November. All the best from Tireman.
 
 
 
I left Belfast in 1957

hi tireman ,you left same yr as me ,,,,,though i still miss the old city belfast i must say since i left i know for me it was the correct thing and have never looked back done well  much better than had i stayed ,,,,,,buti say that for personal reasons ,nothing to do with belfast itself ,
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: kate.o on December 18, 2013, 12:41:04 AM
I left in 70 it was more for my kids , I wanted a better future for them, I love OZ  butt will always have a soft spot and miss the place I was born and the people I loved. :-* :-*
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Tipperdarby on December 18, 2013, 01:22:43 AM
Hi Arder:
My wife and I were shopping at Woolworths in the seventies and my wee daughter, all of two years old, toddled over to the security guard, with her arms held up and out to her sides, ready to be searched.  No one had told her to do this and the old guy thought it was very cute; we went to Canada House that same day and started the emigration procedure.
Wow, good for you Seadun. I read your post out to my daughter and she couldn't believe it.She was born in 1977 8 weeks after we left Belfast. Welcome to the Belfast Forum.It is great reading about people's memories. I immigrated to Calgary in 1977 and never regretted it. However, I love the BF and the memories that come to the surface, memories I didn't realize were still in the old brain:)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Seadun on December 18, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
Hi Tipperdarby:
Thanks for the welcome note! I really enjoy reading these postings; brings back lots of memories -- mostly good!
We left for Canada (Ontario) in 1977 too and although, like you, there was a lot I missed (especially the family), I've never regretted it either.  I find it kinda weird that when I read the forum and think of Belfast, I see it as it was when I was growing up; I guess I mean that that's my Belfast -- that's where my memories "live" -- I really don't feel any connection to the city I was born in any more   but I cherish the memories of the one I grew up in.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Tipperdarby on December 18, 2013, 02:13:28 PM
Hi Tipperdarby:
Thanks for the welcome note! I really enjoy reading these postings; brings back lots of memories -- mostly good!
We left for Canada (Ontario) in 1977 too and although, like you, there was a lot I missed (especially the family), I've never regretted it either.  I find it kinda weird that when I read the forum and think of Belfast, I see it as it was when I was growing up; I guess I mean that that's my Belfast -- that's where my memories "live" -- I really don't feel any connection to the city I was born in any more   but I cherish the memories of the one I grew up in.
That is exactly how I feel Seadun. The Belfast that we grew up in doesn't exist any more but I always feel a connection when I meet someone from Belfast. We are the same people with that wonderful dry humour and a more blunt way of speaking. It took me some years to learn to be a bit more diplomatic :D I am married to a lovely French Canadian man and he calls a spade a trowel while I call it a bloody shovel!!!!
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: mescott on December 18, 2013, 08:52:58 PM
l left Belfast in 1975 and came to Canada to be a Nanny for a year  with my girl friend Janet, she went home after a year  and l stayed and married my husband that was 38 years and three kids  ago l still go home as often as l can and still call Belfast my home   Mescott

Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Sachs on December 19, 2013, 09:23:08 AM
Left with my family in March '74 for Hamilton Ontario.
I am now Canadian first and last but proud to be a Belfast man.
The old place still has part of me.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Astor on December 19, 2013, 09:45:57 AM
I left Belfast in 1967 just to see what London was like.  A couple of years later I met my husband Brendan (now deceased) so we made our lives here and had a nice lifestyle and lots of friends, even though we were both Irish.   I have to say that my heart is still in Belfast though :)

Some lovely stories here, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all  :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Dommo on December 19, 2013, 04:57:57 PM
I left Belfast in 1967 just to see what London was like.  A couple of years later I met my husband Brendan (now deceased) so we made our lives here and had a nice lifestyle and lots of friends, even though we were both Irish.   I have to say that my heart is still in Belfast though :)

Some lovely stories here, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all  :)
I left for LUV... :D
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Astor on December 19, 2013, 10:45:26 PM
I left for LUV... :D

That doesn't tell us much Dommo ???    Did you meet your wife in Belfast or abroad or is it a secret  ;)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: bridge ender on December 19, 2013, 11:51:24 PM
Hi All
 a lot of people left Belfast with a crowd behind them!!!!
 
               BE
 
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: sonofshanks on December 19, 2013, 11:54:53 PM
Hi All
 a lot of people left Belfast with a crowd behind them!!!!
 
               BE

 :D
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Dommo on December 20, 2013, 12:09:22 AM

That doesn't tell us much Dommo ???    Did you meet your wife in Belfast or abroad or is it a secret  ;)
Why did you assume it had anything to do with her?  :D
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Bigali on December 20, 2013, 12:36:30 AM
The question I ask myself is how in the name of Jaysus  I came to BE in Belfast !  :o  Joke !  :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: barry on December 20, 2013, 01:06:04 AM
The question I ask myself is how in the name of Jaysus  I came to BE in Belfast !  :o  Joke !  :)

  Did  ya  take  the  wrong  Bus   ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Bigali on December 20, 2013, 01:14:20 AM

  Did  ya  take  the  wrong  Bus   ;) ;) :D

Thought I was goin til Millisle for me holidays , got aff at the Hack by mistake  :-\
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: barry on December 20, 2013, 01:37:40 AM

Thought I was goin til Millisle for me holidays , got aff at the Hack by mistake  :-\

   :D  Many  a  time  I  fell  asleep  on  the  bus  on  my   way

    Home  after  having  a  few  jars  in  the  City ( Belfast )  I  lived

    in  Ardoyne  at  that  time,   woke  up  at  the  Ligoneil  loop

                                  :drinks: :drinks:
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Astor on December 20, 2013, 10:12:49 AM
Why did you assume it had anything to do with her?  :D

Norty Norty O secretive one  ::)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Dommo on December 20, 2013, 02:11:20 PM
Norty Norty O secretive one  ::)
I actually left befast to go and live in Eire. I was working for the Revenue commission and living in Rathmines. It was nice to get away from the nonsense. Back in them days they had wee stupid parades and fights about trivia. But that was loooooooong ago   :D
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Captain_Pugwash on January 03, 2015, 04:00:09 PM
Working as an apprentice, fell into a bit of bad company, troubles related. Sentenced to Borstal Training which did not suit and was almost dismissed as a Borstal failure. Released but prior to release I realised that this country had nothing for me. Moved to England after my 18th birthday, got a few jobs, applied back for college and was able to kickstart my apprenticeship education coupled with similar work in an engineering plant. Finished education, passed exams, had a look around and decided i did not want to turn out like my workmates , all married in early 20s, saddled with mortgages so I applied for the Royal Marines. Not initially accepted as I had been in trouble with the lawso went to the Army, they had no real problem with this and 3 weeks later I was a recruit. More training, followed by more education then posted to Germany in 1980, joined an Infantry Unit that was about to embark on Op Banner in West Belfast. Returned on Op tour in 1981. The place had not changed a bit. Even the 70s fashions were still in place. Inside 6 years I had turned full circle from being in the pits, lower thaan even many west Belfast losers into a well adjusted well equipped individual, ready for life's challenges such as finance, housing, recreation and travel. Left the Army after 15 years and have been in business ever since. Not always been easy but have always been able to breakout of a rut.
I think what went wrong with Belfast back in the 70s and 80s was there was never any realistic encouragement to move away and make a life elsewhere. It's not easy to make that break as a young person but it's a heck of a legup in life's ascending ladder. Now when I return to Belfast, I see a dead industry that has been offshored in engineering works, and I see a government that is more concerned with their own parties rather than the needs of people who they have been elected to represent. The City I rembered from the 60s as  live vibrant place, died in the 70s 80s , was resurrected in 90s and 00s but is now once again on the decline. It needs inward investment and the lions share needs to be sparked by  those from within. An interesting challenge but a valid one for anybody who has the intiative to force integration against the politicians will to keep division.
Rant Over.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: chi on January 03, 2015, 11:21:33 PM
Working as an apprentice, fell into a bit of bad company, troubles related. Sentenced to Borstal Training which did not suit and was almost dismissed as a Borstal failure. Released but prior to release I realised that this country had nothing for me. Moved to England after my 18th birthday, got a few jobs, applied back for college and was able to kickstart my apprenticeship education coupled with similar work in an engineering plant. Finished education, passed exams, had a look around and decided i did not want to turn out like my workmates , all married in early 20s, saddled with mortgages so I applied for the Royal Marines. Not initially accepted as I had been in trouble with the lawso went to the Army, they had no real problem with this and 3 weeks later I was a recruit. More training, followed by more education then posted to Germany in 1980, joined an Infantry Unit that was about to embark on Op Banner in West Belfast. Returned on Op tour in 1981. The place had not changed a bit. Even the 70s fashions were still in place. Inside 6 years I had turned full circle from being in the pits, lower thaan even many west Belfast losers into a well adjusted well equipped individual, ready for life's challenges such as finance, housing, recreation and travel. Left the Army after 15 years and have been in business ever since. Not always been easy but have always been able to breakout of a rut.
I think what went wrong with Belfast back in the 70s and 80s was there was never any realistic encouragement to move away and make a life elsewhere. It's not easy to make that break as a young person but it's a heck of a legup in life's ascending ladder. Now when I return to Belfast, I see a dead industry that has been offshored in engineering works, and I see a government that is more concerned with their own parties rather than the needs of people who they have been elected to represent. The City I rembered from the 60s as  live vibrant place, died in the 70s 80s , was resurrected in 90s and 00s but is now once again on the decline. It needs inward investment and the lions share needs to be sparked by  those from within. An interesting challenge but a valid one for anybody who has the intiative to force integration against the politicians will to keep division.
Rant Over.

Congratulations! you made it. :clapping:
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: CherylBernadette on January 04, 2015, 04:59:45 AM
We left in the 80's.  Many left in the mid 60's but kept coming back then moving then leaving again.  left because of the troubles but it was also what drew them back.  In the 80's stopped moving back and stayed in England.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Dun Eideann on January 12, 2015, 01:57:38 PM
This is my first post.

I left in 2000 to go to Uni in Glasgow, as most Malone road Grammar school people tend to  :)

I dropped out of Uni after a year, didnt like the course, but soon got a job in retail, then call centres. Worked my way into IT and now married in Edinburgh.

Thats for now anyway.  the chance to bring my family back over to Belfast has arisen and I'm interested.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: jillyfred on January 12, 2015, 02:13:07 PM
This is my first post.

I left in 2000 to go to Uni in Glasgow, as most Malone road Grammar school people tend to  :)

I dropped out of Uni after a year, didnt like the course, but soon got a job in retail, then call centres. Worked my way into IT and now married in Edinburgh.

Thats for now anyway.  the chance to bring my family back over to Belfast has arisen and I'm interested.
=============

Perhaps making several visits before making any decision may be a wise.

jilly
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Dun Eideann on January 12, 2015, 02:21:31 PM
Oh I have, don't worry.

My wife & I have been travelling back and forth for Christmas & other hols for a few years now.

We both love it there, but been very happy here for a while so not in any rush, but my job can be done remotely from any location so it's just a though we both seem to want to do
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Post by: jillyfred on January 16, 2015, 05:07:40 AM


Sounds good and house prices are at a very low ebb at the moment and N.I.are apparently at bottom of any recovery edging up on the Mainland.
So if you decided to move back again you may easily lose out on price you paid.However,perhaps that is not a problem for you either.

jilly
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: misssmyth1 on February 15, 2015, 03:22:40 PM
I left Belfast in 1970 because of the 'troubles' I wasn't going to let anyone tell me where I could or could not go or with whom I could associate. I had friends of both religions and couldn't see some people any more because of other peoples opinions...  best thing I ever did and no regrets. The opportunities in London were amazing job wise as well I was only 19 and had a good job lined up and temporary accommodation. I have great memories of Belfast and great people but would never ever consider going back to live.. We went a couple of years ago for a wedding and stayed in a central Belfast hotel... Without going in to great detail the problems  are still there and  there are still areas which are segregated, schools etc.  Our friend was thinking of moving back but the house she liked and put an offer in for the people allegedly said they didn't want to sell to someone of her religion....We met some people in a pub and one of the first things she asked was what religion I was and I said that doesn't matter ..People aren't shooting and maiming each other any more   thank goodness...but the c***    is still going on. My friends and I made a good life here and home is where the heart is. No regrets about coming from Belfast but we have moved on. ..
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: smcgirr on February 15, 2015, 03:42:37 PM
I left Belfast in 1970 because of the 'troubles' I wasn't going to let anyone tell me where I could or could not go or with whom I could associate. I had friends of both religions and couldn't see some people any more because of other peoples opinions...  best thing I ever did and no regrets. The opportunities in London were amazing job wise as well I was only 19 and had a good job lined up and temporary accommodation. I have great memories of Belfast and great people but would never ever consider going back to live.. We went a couple of years ago for a wedding and stayed in a central Belfast hotel... Without going in to great detail the problems  are still there and  there are still areas which are segregated, schools etc.  Our friend was thinking of moving back but the house she liked and put an offer in for the people allegedly said they didn't want to sell to someone of her religion....We met some people in a pub and one of the first things she asked was what religion I was and I said that doesn't matter ..People aren't shooting and maiming each other any more   thank goodness...but the c***    is still going on. My friends and I made a good life here and home is where the heart is. No regrets about coming from Belfast but we have moved on. ..

Good post Misssmyth and I feel the same
I left with my parents  as a young child and I loved London which gave me the chances to grow and do very well in life
I have been back to Belfast many times. but in recent decades I have rarely ventured to to that.    For Me  I no longer feel any emotional pull to return to Belfast. :(    At this segment of life I prefer to visit and experience the parts of this world which I want to see   Meet new people and enjoy their ways of life
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: DMW on February 15, 2015, 07:38:46 PM
I left Belfast in 1965. I had gone to Annadale Grammar School and was looking forward to going to Queens U. However , in my 4th year at Annadale, I had a brain abscess and spent 6 weeks in RVH.  I never finished Grammar School and lost interest in just about everything.  I drifted through a lot of meaningless jobs and saw no future there .  I discussed with my eldest brother about us emigrating to Australia or New Zealand. Then just about 3/4 months later he told me he wasn't going.  So, since I had 2 married sisters here I decided on Canada and moved within a few months later.  My brother had never said why he wasn't moving, but just after I had been in Canada, he said he was getting married. I didn't even know he had a girlfriend. My move to Canada was one of the best decisions I have ever made.  I moved around a lot with my job and retired here to Hamilton, Ont. in 2008.   
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: misssmyth1 on February 15, 2015, 11:45:01 PM
DMW I am sincerely glad that everything worked out for you in every way, especially regaining your health back ::)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Camperdown9 on February 25, 2015, 06:51:50 PM
Hi

I don't have as interesting stories as most of you, I didn't leave Belfast for the USA, Canada, Australia or even New Zealand.

I was 22 living with my parents and working in a job that I loved but paid very little money. I applied for a job in London that I wasn't really qualified for and I didn't expect to get it. Well they loved me and offered me the job the same day as the interview. They also found me someplace to live. So I moved to London and expected to stay for a year.

A year past and I met someone and that was that. We lived just outside London for 13 years before moving to rural Kent. I loved the Kent countryside but missed London. Then in November of last year with the help of a massive mortgage we were able to buy a tiny house in central London. We now spend the week days in London and the weekends in Kent, and I love it.

With regards to Belfast I go to visit family from time to time but its changed and I guess I have to. I do like Belfast and its fun to spend time there but I now sort of feel like a tourist and I can't see myself living there again. But who knows.

Alex

Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: paddywack on April 30, 2015, 08:21:32 AM
We  left  Belfast  in  1975 , for  Scotland,  and  then   to  New York in  1978 ,   My heart  is still in  Belfast  , that will never change , and if it  was not  for  the  God Damm  troubles , i  would still be  there  .   I still remember  my  farther begging me  not  to leave ,  But  there was no  choice  at  that  time   ,he  said to me  many  years later ,  it  was the  best thing i had ever  done ,  i  still  dont  know about that .   i have always been   home sick   , But  its all to late  to  return now .
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: lornaitaly on May 01, 2015, 07:55:02 PM
I went to TCD  in 1960's to read English as QUB would not accept me as I did not have O Level maths!!I had A level Latin plus 3 other A -levels so TCD welcomed me .After graduation I was accepted by the English Civil Service and eventually married settling happily in England .Now living in Italy with my husband of 46 years and daughter living & working in London.Parents died many years ago .
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Astor on May 01, 2015, 11:00:18 PM
I went to TCD  in 1960's to read English as QUB would not accept me as I did not have O Level maths!!I had A level Latin plus 3 other A -levels so TCD welcomed me .After graduation I was accepted by the English Civil Service and eventually married settling happily in England .Now living in Italy with my husband of 46 years and daughter living & working in London.Parents died many years ago .

Welcome to the Forum Lorna,  enjoy the memories you will hopefully recall from the many posts on here. Nice to have a poster from Italy for a change  :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: misssmyth1 on May 02, 2015, 12:35:11 PM
What wonderful stories.. Everyone seems to have made the right decision for them, and done well .. My mum broke her heart when I came to London in 1970 but she also knew It was the right decision for me. We were always very close and spoke every day briefly for the first year , as I had to got to the phone box and said hello how is everyone I'm still alive and ok love you .. something like that!!!  I came away because of the 'troubles'  no regrets very happy here always. Wish everyone good health and good luck and every good wish.... No regrets either about being born and living in Belfast for the first 19 years of my life very happy memories and experiences, and lots of fun and great people who are still in my heart .Very proud of coming from Belfast a great city....but I have made my home in London for all these years  and equally love It very much. Have had many opportunities which I would never have had in Belfast. x
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: jimn on May 28, 2015, 05:22:56 PM
me first.
i met my beautiful girlfriend in the plaza when i was 16.
because i was from ardoyne and she was from the upper newtownards road.
we knew her parents would not approve of our relationship.
 i was playing soccer in london. when she wrote and told me that she was going to australia for two years.
well, i immediately got a clearance and quit my dream.
i went back to belfast and worked at different jobs to get some money for australia.
well, the night we left, going aboard the heysham boat, i was watching her family leaving her off and it broke my heart.
because in effect we were running away together.
i only had my da and cleeky clarke to say goodbye too.
but alas, 43 years on, we have a beautiful family and are still madly in love.
this of course is only part of my story, so tell me about yours, i would love to hear it
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: jimn on May 28, 2015, 05:25:02 PM
Cleeky RIP was my  friend for years. Met him years ago with another man you might remember Joe Rafters
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Captain_Pugwash on June 02, 2015, 02:21:41 PM
I left Belfast in 1970 because of the 'troubles' I wasn't going to let anyone tell me where I could or could not go or with whom I could associate. I had friends of both religions and couldn't see some people any more because of other peoples opinions...  best thing I ever did and no regrets. The opportunities in London were amazing job wise as well I was only 19 and had a good job lined up and temporary accommodation. I have great memories of Belfast and great people but would never ever consider going back to live.. We went a couple of years ago for a wedding and stayed in a central Belfast hotel... Without going in to great detail the problems  are still there and  there are still areas which are segregated, schools etc.  Our friend was thinking of moving back but the house she liked and put an offer in for the people allegedly said they didn't want to sell to someone of her religion....We met some people in a pub and one of the first things she asked was what religion I was and I said that doesn't matter ..People aren't shooting and maiming each other any more   thank goodness...but the c***    is still going on. My friends and I made a good life here and home is where the heart is. No regrets about coming from Belfast but we have moved on. ..

Great post MissSmith (I'm sure I had a teacher called that in primary school). NI and indeed all of Ireland went through a false boom and huge bust after the troubles ended. The bizarre thing is that the property prices in areas such as the Falls or Shankill roads never maximised. Contrast that with City Properties in the rest of the UK where it is practically impossible to buy anywhere within walking distance of the City Centre. There are still properties for sale at 80s prices in those areas. Whay why why can the people who live there not move forward?
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: misssmyth1 on June 02, 2015, 03:19:13 PM
I have a very good friend who moved back to Belfast to live because of illness . She sold her house in London and bought five properties in Belfast one to live in and the other four are her income as rental properties. She is not entirely happy there as misses everything in London but needs to be near her family because of her illness and the support and help etc although she has paid help as well.
She left for the same reasons as me and she's a different religion . We just became friends when we worked for the same company in 1980 and I didn't care what religion she was as I liked the 'person' and she felt the same...We had a lot of fun together and never let the problems that were going on in N.I. come between us ...I would never live in Belfast again but like going for visits to see friends i can understand that some people are and have always been homesick but for me home is where the heart is and London has been good to me and for me. I have never been homesick and have lived and worked  in California and Spain for quite  a while too..But we are all individual thank goodness,  Wherever you all are I sincerely wish you all  Good Luck and Good health ..
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: beresford on September 14, 2015, 07:17:35 PM
my parents were Ex Pat's who came over to England about 1938=39  with 2 small children not sure really why they came it might have been that they were one RC and one C of I, but they were together for 40 odd years  and had 3 more children and lived in Birmingham until they both passed away mid to late 70's x
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on September 21, 2015, 11:11:16 AM
Cleeky RIP was my  friend for years. Met him years ago with another man you might remember Joe Rafters
I'm sorry, the name does not ring a bell. they must have been friends after I left
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on September 21, 2015, 11:12:55 AM
don't get on as much now, but reading all your stories is lovely, so I wasn't the only one
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Captain_Pugwash on September 22, 2015, 10:12:25 PM
How many of the people on this thread have "Belfast ears". Basically the ability to talk to someone anywhere in the world and understand the area they are from.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: DMW on September 23, 2015, 12:38:56 AM
Captain_Pugwash.  I think we all have Belfast ears.  I really like it when group of us get together and don't have to explain our sayings/craic to each other
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Captain_Pugwash on September 23, 2015, 10:29:04 AM
You must remember leaving courtesy of the cattle boats Ulster Queen and Ulster Prince. As I remember if you were toff enough you could get a berth but for the rest you had to sit around all night in the "smokeroom" with all the children boking up on the floor and all the drunks smoking fags and singing all night.
 :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: N McCloud on September 24, 2015, 09:57:55 PM
I left Belfast for definite in 1987 to live in Belgium, lived there until 2012, now I live in Lima Peru.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: m-cully on September 25, 2015, 07:30:30 PM
Hi Arder.
I was just looking at some older posts. In one you mention Brian Smith and Manual Quinn. My sister Joyce, and her friend, Ann Rogan, used to pal around with those guys. Did Brian marry Ann Rogan from the Oldpark?
Do you know anything about them??????????
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on September 26, 2015, 10:16:45 AM
Hi Arder.
I was just looking at some older posts. In one you mention Brian Smith and Manual Quinn. My sister Joyce, and her friend, Ann Rogan, used to pal around with those guys. Did Brian marry Ann Rogan from the Oldpark?
Do you know anything about them??????????
manual passed away a long time ago, rip.
visited brians sister and she told me that brains been living in England for a long time now, I don't know who he married, sorry, but heres a recent photo she gave me.(http://i58.tinypic.com/15hc50l.jpg)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: m-cully on September 26, 2015, 02:20:30 PM
Thanks Arder. Will pass this on to my sister. It fifty years since she has seen or heard about those friends.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: zeebeedee on November 09, 2015, 09:21:51 PM
Woke one Sunday morning 1970s and thought about my life, my 2 up 2 down outside toilet, no hot water,and  bringing up kids born and unborn in working class Belfast with its peace lines, and no go areas, drive-bys and bombings and thought "to hell with this my kids don't deserve this.
I was gone within a week!
My kids are now Scottish and I only return for funerals, while my wife does Weddings and Christenings
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on December 04, 2015, 08:40:44 AM
Woke one Sunday morning 1970s and thought about my life, my 2 up 2 down outside toilet, no hot water,and  bringing up kids born and unborn in working class Belfast with its peace lines, and no go areas, drive-bys and bombings and thought "to hell with this my kids don't deserve this.
I was gone within a week!
My kids are now Scottish and I only return for funerals, while my wife does Weddings and Christenings
good on you
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: belfastgirl74 on December 20, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
Nice story Kateme, I remember waving goodbye to my older brother and his new bride (Eileen Mckillen from Crumlin Street) at Nutts Corner Airport as they headed off to America. My mother never really got over it.

Hi:  I am relatively new to this site, (love it) and I noticed your response,  I lived at the top of Foyle Street, Crumlin and Oldpark at the bottom.  I was 11 when we left for Canada but I remember that my mom had a dear friend who lived around where you did I think.  Her name was Kathleen (Nut or Nuttall.)  Would you know of them at all?

Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on December 21, 2015, 01:17:06 AM
i'll have to think of it for a moment, theres a name stuck in my head at the moment, let you know soon
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: belfastgirl74 on December 26, 2015, 06:26:54 AM
i'll have to think of it for a moment, theres a name stuck in my head at the moment, let you know soon

Sound good. 

Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on January 02, 2016, 10:13:20 AM
Hi:  I am relatively new to this site, (love it) and I noticed your response,  I lived at the top of Foyle Street, Crumlin and Oldpark at the bottom.  I was 11 when we left for Canada but I remember that my mom had a dear friend who lived around where you did I think.  Her name was Kathleen (Nut or Nuttall.)  Would you know of them at all?
there were goodalls who lived in holmdene gds, that might have been them
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: belfastgirl74 on January 12, 2016, 06:38:37 AM
Hi:  I'm rather slow at getting back on the forum, sorry.

No It was Kathleen Nutt.  Thanks for the input.

Regards.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: barry.lewis on February 03, 2016, 07:44:13 PM
I left in 1971 age 22 finished my apprentice in H & WS , went to London in April 1971 said to my Dad see you in the August bank holiday,that was 45 years ago
now retired living in a little village near Chelmsford , only go home for funerals, mine next I reckon ;)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Astor on February 03, 2016, 09:33:51 PM
I left in 1971 age 22 finished my apprentice in H & WS , went to London in April 1971 said to my Dad see you in the August bank holiday,that was 45 years ago
now retired living in a little village near Chelmsford , only go home for funerals, mine next I reckon ;)

I go through Chelmsford regularly en route to my daughters barry, you're not in Danbury are you  ???
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: barry.lewis on February 04, 2016, 08:31:46 PM
I go through Chelmsford regularly en route to my daughters barry, you're not in Danbury are you  ???

No slightly further out, Silver End,
 Good luck to you
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Astor on February 04, 2016, 09:33:30 PM

No slightly further out, Silver End,
 Good luck to you

Thanks Barry, I've not been there but kinda know where it is, my daughter and family are in Maldon, they love it there.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: barry.lewis on February 05, 2016, 03:44:40 PM
i like Maldon,
 its lovely in the summer
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Thompson on February 07, 2016, 01:57:21 AM
I first ran away when I was 14 years old(1967) got the boat to Scotland , lifts through to London . I wanted to see the world and was starting in London , what an adventure , in Manchester went up to a guest house with a big sign in the window " no Irish , no blacks , and no dogs" when the women opened the door and heard my voice she said can't you F-----g read,I walked down the steps and when she closed the door I picked up a brick an through it and smashed the window and ran like hell!! Some wake up call. I was caught in London a few weeks later and sent back home.
            I when back a few times , then on the 26th September 1973 I went to Newcastle and then on to London . I have lived in a few places in London , England and traveled round this beautiful world. Been away for 43years and been really lucky I have bumped into some great people and bits of them have rubbed off on me and I am thankful for that, still got my strong accent ( tell every one I go home every now and then for elocution lessons " want to keep talking proper" )
I have always worked for myself and started a company that's been kind to me (and still is ) if any one ever says to me over the years ' sorry I did not catch that I would always say and point " is that your wallet on the ground, there heads would shoot round to look and I would say ooo, your heard that !!!!!!!!
Albert nelson east Belfast 1952 .

Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: misssmyth1 on February 07, 2016, 06:14:44 PM
Thompson  you were either very brave or very silly at 14 to run away to london!!!!  ... I am so very glad that no harm came to you. and so very glad that you have done so well for yourself as well..  My father told me of the signs that said no Irish no Blacks no dogs when he came to London after fighting in the war in Tobruk and many other places for great Britain .  He was shot on two different occasions and survived to come home to Belfast and meet my mum...  but he in the eyes of some not good enough to stay in their premises .. He was a wonderful man and looked after us well with love and he  and my mum  brought us up  to be good people and made sure we did not judge anyone by religion  colour or any other difference.  He used to say "see the person"    I left Belfast as mentioned earlier as i did not want to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and possible lose my life or be maimed.  a friend of mine was shot and killed she was 19/20 someone else I knew was badly maimed while having a lunch with family.  i promised myself that i would not let anyone tell me who I could associate with or where i could go , ever again..  London has been good for me and to me no regrets... I came here in 1970 age 19... but unlike you thompson.... I had a job lined up...   once again im glad you came to no harm after your adventure your parents must have been dememted with worry!!!!!
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Willum3 on May 27, 2016, 04:45:04 PM
I left at the age of 18 with my wife and went to Manchester to get away from all the bitterness.     Glad I did, got a whole new outlook on life and people.    When I retired I never thought once about going back.   My sister who has lived there all her life is full of bitterness about the 'other side' and her and I do not see eye to eye on any of it :(. 
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: McNamee on May 27, 2016, 04:52:07 PM
Well I never left and do not have a bitter bone in my body and neither do any of my 4 children.  It was how their father and I brought them up.  Exactly as I was brought up.  
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Willum3 on May 27, 2016, 04:55:32 PM
Well, not sure how to take that McNamee, the implication being that my parents were bitter....not a bit of it, my sister, for reasons unknown to me, went down that route of her own volition.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: McNamee on May 27, 2016, 05:06:32 PM
Just pointing out Willum that all of us who stayed are not all  bitter.   Sounds to me that if you had stayed you would not have been bitter either....

Welcome to the Forum.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Willum3 on May 27, 2016, 05:10:18 PM
Fair nuff McNamee, sorry for taking your post wrongly :(.
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Post by: McNamee on May 27, 2016, 05:30:34 PM
 O0 :angel:
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Astor on May 27, 2016, 05:46:40 PM
Well I never left and do not have a bitter bone in my body and neither do any of my 4 children.  It was how their father and I brought them up.  Exactly as I was brought up.  


Exactly as I was brought up Bernie. As you know I have 2 brothers and 4 sisters still in N. Ireland and I can honestly say that neither I nor any of my siblings has a bitter bone in our bodies, nor have any of my own family.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on June 17, 2016, 11:49:05 AM
I first ran away when I was 14 years old(1967) got the boat to Scotland , lifts through to London . I wanted to see the world and was starting in London , what an adventure , in Manchester went up to a guest house with a big sign in the window " no Irish , no blacks , and no dogs" when the women opened the door and heard my voice she said can't you F-----g read,I walked down the steps and when she closed the door I picked up a brick an through it and smashed the window and ran like hell!! Some wake up call. I was caught in London a few weeks later and sent back home.
            I when back a few times , then on the 26th September 1973 I went to Newcastle and then on to London . I have lived in a few places in London , England and traveled round this beautiful world. Been away for 43years and been really lucky I have bumped into some great people and bits of them have rubbed off on me and I am thankful for that, still got my strong accent ( tell every one I go home every now and then for elocution lessons " want to keep talking proper" )
I have always worked for myself and started a company that's been kind to me (and still is ) if any one ever says to me over the years ' sorry I did not catch that I would always say and point " is that your wallet on the ground, there heads would shoot round to look and I would say ooo, your heard that !!!!!!!!
Albert nelson east Belfast 1952 .
great post thompson, did much the same.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: belfastgirl74 on June 17, 2016, 06:29:03 PM
I left Belfast in '53, aged 11, with my parents and 2 brothers.  I have to tell of a "funny" episode that happened for my very first birthday party in Canada.
All the girls from my class were in the living room laughing and giggling and acting like normal 12yr olds and my mom hollers "everybody into the kitchen for birthday cake."  We all ran in and mom, standing with the candle lit cake, looked around and said to me  "where's Clara" (my best friend.)  Now living in Canada and not even giving it a thought I replied "she'll be here as soon as she gives her confession at church."  Needless to say I had to lurch forward to rescue my cake as it was travelling to the ground and a look on my mother's face that was one of total disbelief.

As soon as the cake was cut and distributed my mom looked at me and said " I need to talk to you wee lady"   The conversation went more or less like, MOM!! Jean is the only Jewish friend here and the rest of us are Protestants and Catholics, we are all allowed to go to the same school here."  Her reply was "in the name of Jesus, what He_ _ kind of a country has your da brought us to, they don't know how to make sausages (she bought weiners thinking they were nicely packaged sausages. and now this.

My mom passed away in 1995 and God Bless her she became the best "love everybody" person in Canada, not a bitter or hateful bone in her.

Just saying/proving. .it can be done.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Astor on June 17, 2016, 08:04:40 PM
I left Belfast in '53, aged 11, with my parents and 2 brothers.  I have to tell of a "funny" episode that happened for my very first birthday party in Canada.
All the girls from my class were in the living room laughing and giggling and acting like normal 12yr olds and my mom hollers "everybody into the kitchen for birthday cake."  We all ran in and mom, standing with the candle lit cake, looked around and said to me  "where's Clara" (my best friend.)  Now living in Canada and not even giving it a thought I replied "she'll be here as soon as she gives her confession at church."  Needless to say I had to lurch forward to rescue my cake as it was travelling to the ground and a look on my mother's face that was one of total disbelief.

As soon as the cake was cut and distributed my mom looked at me and said " I need to talk to you wee lady"   The conversation went more or less like, MOM!! Jean is the only Jewish friend here and the rest of us are Protestants and Catholics, we are all allowed to go to the same school here."  Her reply was "in the name of Jesus, what He_ _ kind of a country has your da brought us to, they don't know how to make sausages (she bought weiners thinking they were nicely packaged sausages. and now this.

My mom passed away in 1995 and God Bless her she became the best "love everybody" person in Canada, not a bitter or hateful bone in her.

Just saying/proving. .it can be done.

Lovely story Belfastgirl74, I can just imagine the look on your mum's face when she heard that lol!    She sounds like a great lady - you must be very proud of her.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: woody at home on June 17, 2016, 08:50:19 PM
O0 :angel:
,,,,,,,Well,how come you did?     Hannigan ,Flanagan,Willimont,Donegan..Macanamaras band     (who said that?)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: McNamee on June 17, 2016, 08:54:12 PM
You did...lol

I left when I got married.  It wasn't everywhere a mixed married couple could live. (By mixed I mean Male and Female)  :D
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Astor on June 17, 2016, 09:23:38 PM
,,,,,,,Well,how come you did?     Hannigan ,Flanagan,Willimont,Donegan..Macanamaras band     (who said that?)

Here ye are Woody

https://youtu.be/101Y0sh2Lfg (https://youtu.be/101Y0sh2Lfg)

A Blast From The Past lol!

I've amended this as I posted the wrong song - I think this is a version of the correct one

https://youtu.be/101Y0sh2Lfg
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: johna on June 22, 2016, 02:45:10 PM
My wife and I left Belfast in 1969. We had enough. I still feel connected though, they say that the place you were "reared" will always be home, but I still prefer Canada.

Johna

Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: McNamee on June 22, 2016, 02:48:52 PM
Canada is the most beautiful country I have visited.  We drove from Calgary to the Montana....The scenery was absolutely breath taking....You lucky man.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Kathryn clarke on June 28, 2016, 08:36:42 PM
I left like most due to the troubles. I was born in 1969. As a teenager all I thought about was how I could get out.
I grew up in finaghy.  I remember my mum telling me if I got a chance to go.  If it didn't work out I could come home.
Most of our family had already left for Australia or England so it was especially hard leaving my parents and brother.
I was 18. 
Mum just went back after 4- 1/2wk visit. She's 80 yrs old. The airport is just as hard today as it was then even with me here on the other side of the gate.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: carledgar on October 18, 2016, 04:06:41 AM
I didn't know you had a sister!! How nice for you both. Does she live in New York State also.?

When I left Belfast in 1977 the Troubles were really bad.My sister and brother in law had emigrated to Calgary, Canada in May 1976. They were Catholic married to Protestant and it was a dodgy situation. A year later I was demented, I had 2 little boys and I didn't want them growing up in that atmosphere so my brother in law sponsored us and we arrived in Calgary May 1977. The first year was a nightmare, I now had a baby daughter as well, I missed my parents so much and every time I spoke someone would say "I beg your pardon, I didn't understand what you just said" then I would be told "oh, your accent is so cute" ..it drove me mad.  However, in Feb 1979 my parents and my youngest sister immigrated also. My sister Moira stayed in Ireland so we all missed her but, bless her, she visited very often which helped somewhat. I had nightmares about Belfast for many years but in 1992 my marriage broke up and I went for counselling. The counsellor just happened to be a man from Ireland and over the months that I saw him, out spilled all kinds of stuff about the Troubles. It was amazing how helpful it was. .look at me now, I am able to really enjoy the craic on the BF (I don't bother with the controversial threads though) I have been happily married  to a lovely French Canadian man for 18 years and, my former husband and I are friends again, we have 3 great kids together and 2 beautiful grandsons. Canadians still think my accent is cute but I don't mind that anymore. They also think I am very funny with some of my sayings!!
There, I have probably told Arder more than he wanted to know but, that's me, I don't know when to stop :D

Nice post, Tipper. I remember when I took my ex-wife, a Belfast girl with whom I still correspond, suddenly realised after a day or so that she didn't have to keep her voice down when in a restaurant, bar or taxi, lest something indiscreet attract some hard man or other. It really opened my eyes. I wasn't so nervous when living in Belfast from time to time because I'd worked as a foreign correspondent and had just the odd wee touch of naval experience but I felt it a bit, too.

i remember taking pix in Belfast back in the 70s when the squaddies would say "No faces, Boss" and watch to ensure compliance.

Ironically, I lived much of the 1950s, 60s and 70s in Montreal and might well have married a French-Canadian girl. They had an elegance that Torontonians couldn't match.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Kateme on October 27, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
My Dad lived in England and sometimes in Wales.  He couldn't get work in Belfast.  He would send us money every week, and come home every six months or so. In 1958 he went to NY - claimed there by my Mom's brother.  He found a job right away, got an apartment, and in 1960 Mom and I sailed from Cobh to NY.  I was almost 9.  It broke my heart leaving my family on the dock at Cobh - Grandparents, uncles, cousins, and dear friends of the family.  I thought I'd never see them again. It was a mizzling day - we got on the tender and it moved outside the harbor to the big ship, where we climbed aboard.   When we arrived in NY, it took a long time for us to assimilate - my Mom only wanted to go home. Four years later we did go home for a visit, and pretty much every year after that.  Eventually, years later my parents bought a house in Belfast near the old neighborhood, and when they both became unable to travel too much, they had to sell it.  We did grow to love the US, but still loved going home too.  After my Dad died here in 1999, my Mom went on a vacation to Belfast, for the first time without my sister or I as company. She caught pneumonia there and peacefully died in Belfast in her brother's house.  I still love coming home when I can.  I have loads of family there (my Mom had six brothers!!).  My husband and son love going there too!  Especially my son!  He loves all his cousins! 
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Bigali on October 27, 2016, 09:55:49 PM
My Dad lived in England and sometimes in Wales.  He couldn't get work in Belfast.  He would send us money every week, and come home every six months or so. In 1958 he went to NY - claimed there by my Mom's brother.  He found a job right away, got an apartment, and in 1960 Mom and I sailed from Cobh to NY.  I was almost 9.  It broke my heart leaving my family on the dock at Cobh - Grandparents, uncles, cousins, and dear friends of the family.  I thought I'd never see them again. It was a mizzling day - we got on the tender and it moved outside the harbor to the big ship, where we climbed aboard.   When we arrived in NY, it took a long time for us to assimilate - my Mom only wanted to go home. Four years later we did go home for a visit, and pretty much every year after that.  Eventually, years later my parents bought a house in Belfast near the old neighborhood, and when they both became unable to travel too much, they had to sell it.  We did grow to love the US, but still loved going home too.  After my Dad died here in 1999, my Mom went on a vacation to Belfast, for the first time without my sister or I as company. She caught pneumonia there and peacefully died in Belfast in her brother's house.  I still love coming home when I can.  I have loads of family there (my Mom had six brothers!!).  My husband and son love going there too!  Especially my son!  He loves all his cousins!

That's a very poignant and at the same time heartwarming story Kateme , thanks for sharing .
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Kateme on October 28, 2016, 04:28:24 PM

That's a very poignant and at the same time heartwarming story Kateme , thanks for sharing .
Thank you Bigali.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: katyboo on October 29, 2016, 07:55:46 PM
first left as a 10 year old with my mum loved Liverpool seemed free even at that young age however returned to Belfast at the age of 14 to live withe an aunt when I was 18 left with a friend Pat Stevens to London meet my husband the same year thumbing a lift another story married and have three daughters now and 7 granchildren have lived a lot of life since..last May returned with two of my girls had a great time and although Belfast will always have a place in my heart I'm happy where I am today although I was brought up a catholic I'm not today always fine it hard in todays world to see how many people suffer through religion and politics when we are born we know nothing of colour or religion it is something that we are taught like the song says the world needs to give peace a chance :) :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Astor on October 30, 2016, 09:45:49 AM
first left as a 10 year old with my mum loved Liverpool seemed free even at that young age however returned to Belfast at the age of 14 to live withe an aunt when I was 18 left with a friend Pat Stevens to London meet my husband the same year thumbing a lift another story married and have three daughters now and 7 granchildren have lived a lot of life since..last May returned with two of my girls had a great time and although Belfast will always have a place in my heart I'm happy where I am today although I was brought up a catholic I'm not today always fine it hard in todays world to see how many people suffer through religion and politics when we are born we know nothing of colour or religion it is something that we are taught like the song says the world needs to give peace a chance :) :)

HI katyboo, I came to London 1967 and am still here too.  I met my hubby here, a lovely Waterford man, sadly now deceased. I've  two daughters, a son and four granddaughters, the eldest is 11 and the youngest  four and a half months.

Nice to see you posting  :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: katyboo on October 30, 2016, 02:18:46 PM
Hi Astor I came just 2yrs before you my husband came from hayes is Middx I now live in Buckinghamshire sorry to hear of your husbands passing, sounds you have a growing family like me :) :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: ronnie45 on December 22, 2016, 12:48:35 PM
I left in 67, Paisley, Devlin, Came to a better world were hate didn't  rule.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: McNamee on December 22, 2016, 01:41:35 PM
Welcome Ronnie and please tell us where that is?
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: DMW on December 22, 2016, 05:06:12 PM
ronnie45 - Welcome to Belfast Forum - There are lots of nice people here - Where are you living now ?  des.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: misssmyth1 on December 22, 2016, 05:33:43 PM
Ronnie 45 I think  know what you mean  ... I too left , at age 19 on my own because of the 'troubles' came to London had a job and temp accommodation lined up. still here and no regrets.  I was afraid of being in the wrong place at the wrong time   like my 21 year old friend who was badly  maimed in a bombing and another friend 19 was shot in the head and obviously died.. I still worried about family, friends but the freedom to go anywhere and be myself was wonderful .. I never got in to any debate with anyone about it all  as my business and my freedom of choice . no one else's.   . I cried many times watching and hearing  the news during the 70s.. as when I lived in Belfast i was happy and had a very good childhood. with friends of all religions .
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: arder lavery on December 23, 2016, 02:06:56 AM
nice story, very similar to mine
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: ronnie45 on December 28, 2016, 10:56:44 AM
Now live Burrum Heads Qld Australia, a little seaside village.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: McNamee on December 28, 2016, 12:47:30 PM
My son lives outside Sydney.

You are very lucky it is a lovely country.... I have visited 3 times now and reckon I will have another trip.... :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: ronnie45 on January 02, 2017, 09:25:51 AM
I came to Australia  in 1967 where people treated each other as people treated each other as people not Protestant or Catholic.
My brother was killed in 1973, and stuffed in the boot of his car.
We although offered a return for the funereal, decided no.
We had to bury the dead.
Not continue the hate.
We as humans must learn to live.
We as people must learn that hate doesn't work.
Short term will attract supporters.
But cannot replace love and understanding.
I miss Belfast and Lisburn, the fish and chips, the tattie bread, the soda bread, the dulce, the friends i knew.
But i do not miss the fear.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: katyboo on January 02, 2017, 11:26:38 PM
welcome ronnie45 I understand all your feelings I to lost a much loved one you are right hate can grow like a cancer you have to move on although not always easy
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Glenn Mulligan on February 23, 2017, 07:22:13 PM
I left Belfast simply because I didn't like living there and my prospects were bleak.  I'm gone thirty years now and I have never, ever regretted it.  Someone once told me that the only people who love Belfast are those caught there.  I would agree.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Eileen mac on March 10, 2017, 12:40:29 AM
I know this post is a few years ago but im hoping to get in touch with tboy
I am Eileen  my aunt was Eileen  mckillen  married Bert mcgonigle 
Who went to usa

Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: DMW on March 10, 2017, 02:27:56 AM
Eileen mac -  Welcome to Belfast Forum.(BF)  If you want to contact tboy - send him a personal message (PM) - Go to -"My Messages" - there you will see how to send a PM.  Good luck (he was last on BF in February.)   
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Eileen mac on March 10, 2017, 02:29:09 AM
Thankyou so much i will try that
Eileen
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: DMW on March 10, 2017, 02:30:58 AM
Eileen mac - I should have said - got back to the 1st page of this thread and click on his name - tboy - that will let you send a PM.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Eileen mac on March 10, 2017, 02:35:12 AM
Thanks again
Its so exciting but overwhelming 

Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: katyboo on March 10, 2017, 08:30:48 PM
sounds exciting Eileen let us know how you get on  :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: chi on March 10, 2017, 09:24:23 PM
I left Belfast simply because I didn't like living there and my prospects were bleak.  I'm gone thirty years now and I have never, ever regretted it.  Someone once told me that the only people who love Belfast are those caught there.  I would agree.

I have family and friends in Belfast.
They are there cause they were born
there, its their home.  :)
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: jards on March 29, 2017, 10:54:54 PM
I left with my parents as they had simply "had enough" as they put it
Moved to London in Sydney Aus now.
I went back once a few years after leaving but it wasnt the same i seemed like a stranger in my own town which i probably was
I was born in 1973 and we left in 1989
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Eileen mac on March 29, 2017, 11:05:22 PM
We came to western  Australia Perth   march 1969
Mum Dad and 6 children
Left from binginham  dve 
Title: from the Yard to Canadian Vickers
Post by: carledgar on April 16, 2017, 06:26:12 PM
My father was on the electrical board at Harland's and was recruited for a better position by Canadian Vickers (Montreal sub of UK company). He went over in 1953 and my mother, brother and I went out May 1954 on the Head Line boat to Liverpool and the RMS Ascania for the crossing to Montreal. There was a whole Belfast mafia at Vickers, so it was old home week for my Dad and my mother, who went to work withing days in Vickers' Naval Central Drawing Office, which was working on the 257 st. Laurent class of destroyer-escorts. The Royal Canadian Navy were known as the best sub-hunters in NATO/OTAN at the time. (any Yanks want to argue the toss:)  ).

Gave been back many many times including a couple of years in the early 60s, but not since 2002. Lived for a while on South Parade and later in Crawfordsburn.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: RebeccaK on December 03, 2017, 12:59:02 PM
Hello all, I am currently researching emigration from Northern Ireland between 1969 and 2017, and I would be very grateful if some of you would consider telling me your story.

Any contributions will be treated as anonymous and in complete confidence, unless you wish for it to be otherwise. My research relates to the coherence between conflict, emigration, unemployment and segregation, and to what degree these factors influence each other. This will be in relation to an earlier research of mine abou the Belfast peace walls, which you can read here: http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,66092.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,66092.0.html)

An aspect of this new research project will be conducting research on emigration during and after the Troubles. I am currently looking for people who left Northern Ireland between 1969 and 2017 who would be willing to share their story with me.

If you wish to respond, or if you wish to offer assistance with this project, please do so either on this post: [size=78%]http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,71042.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,71042.0.html)[/size]

Or contact me on my Belfast Forum profile via PM:  [/size]http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=24824 (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=24824)[/size]

Apart from my own reasons for conducting this new academic research project, it would be an opportunity for you to document your own experiences and to make a small contribution to Belfast and Ulster history.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: celtdunm on December 03, 2017, 09:24:31 PM
Eileen mac. Would you have know the Keenan family from number 72?

Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: Eileen mac on December 03, 2017, 09:58:39 PM
Hi
I dont remember  but il ask my aunt mary
She is in ireland we are in Australia 
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: RebeccaK on December 06, 2017, 06:55:39 PM
Hello all, I am currently researching emigration from Northern Ireland between 1969 and 2017, and I would be very grateful if some of you would consider telling me your story.

Any contributions will be treated as anonymous and in complete confidence, unless you wish for it to be otherwise. My research relates to the coherence between conflict, emigration, unemployment and segregation, and to what degree these factors influence each other. This will be in relation to an earlier research of mine abou the Belfast peace walls, which you can read here: http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,66092.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,66092.0.html)

An aspect of this new research project will be conducting research on emigration during and after the Troubles. I am currently looking for people who left Northern Ireland between 1969 and 2017 who would be willing to share their story with me.

If you wish to respond, or if you wish to offer assistance with this project, please do so either on this post: [size=78%]http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,71042.0.html (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,71042.0.html)[/size]

Or contact me on my Belfast Forum profile via PM:  [/size]http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=24824 (http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=24824)[/size]

Apart from my own reasons for conducting this new academic research project, it would be an opportunity for you to document your own experiences and to make a small contribution to Belfast and Ulster history.

Thanks in advance!

Is anybody interested?
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: misssmyth1 on December 30, 2017, 03:57:00 PM
Am I the only one who PM you R?   I' m sure you could use the stories posted I don't think  people would mind .?  If you wish to ask me anything else be happy to oblige.
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: RebeccaK on December 31, 2017, 06:29:30 PM
Am I the only one who PM you R?   I' m sure you could use the stories posted I don't think  people would mind .?  If you wish to ask me anything else be happy to oblige.

Hey there! No, quite a few people did PM me after all, I didn't think it would be right to use the information posted to this thread without people's consent. I've handed in the essay and am currently waiting for my professor to grade it. Once that's done, I'll make some alterations if he thinks it's necessary and translate it. Thanks for caring Misssmyth1, happy 2018 in advance  :-*
Title: Re: HOW COME YOU LEFT BELFAST
Post by: samonty on April 25, 2018, 03:06:49 PM
I was born in Lecale Street on the Donegal Road in 1944. Lived the first part of my life there with the Bog Meadows as an amazing playground and the Blackstaff river to paddle in. Beatties fish shop on Tates Avenue made the best pasties in the world. There was Kennedy's dairy at the end of the street where we used to buy a jug full of buttermilk.  Went to Broadway School, then Fane Street and finally Belfast Tech when it was in the big building behind the "Black Man".

My parents died when I was 13, I lived with my brother and his family for a while but it wasn't ideal. I needed a job and I needed home so at fifteen I joined the RAF as a Boy Entrant.  Met a Yorkshire girl and stayed here, been here 56 years but I always refer to Belfast as "Home"