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MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« on: December 30, 2010, 12:17:05 PM »
Any family history information on McWatters?
 
I am looking for information on JOHN MCWATTERS who built the bakery in Cromac street in 1880.
 
Brother SAMUEL, wifes name? (hopefully SUSANNA JOHNSTON)
 
cheers STEVE...........

 

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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2010, 12:53:42 PM »
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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2010, 02:50:12 PM »

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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2010, 04:24:02 PM »
WOW bobdenn, do you think you could find an obit like that for any of my lot !!  Fab

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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 07:32:02 AM »
Thanks everyone for a very speedy response.
I now have a couple of handy internet search tools.
 
>>>The Census information has moved my estimate of JOHNs birth date forward 30 years, and given me JOHNs wife (Jeanne)
 
>>>The Will information has given me a good date to look for JOHNs death certificate. (and maybe his parents names)
 
>>>The newpaper article about JOHNs death was a very good find, thanks.
Very touching how, the doctor a close personal friend, could not avert the death.
(I have included the story to this thread - below)
 
 MR. J. McWATTERS DEAD.  HEAD OF NOTED BAKERY ESTABLISHMENT. KEEN INTEREST IN HORSES. BRED ANIMALS OF WIDE FAME.
There will be widespread regret at the news of the death of Mr. John McWatters, head of the well-known bakery proprietors Messrs. McWatters & Co. Ltd., and a prominent horse breeder and exhibitor. For a short time he had been in poor health, and recently Bronchial pneumonia developed, with very critical symptoms. Dr James Graham gave the patient, who was also an old personal friend, his skilled and constant attention, but a fatal termination could not be averted, and Mr McWatters passed away at his residence "Five Beeches" Annadale Avenue Belfast, early Monday morning.
The late Mr McWatters, who attained his business jubilee this month was one of those energetic  and capable men, who by foresight and enterprise have made modern Belfast the prosperous and busy industrial centre it is. A standing monument to his business abilities is to be found in the splendidly equipped bakery and confectionary work, also garages and ? of his firm, occupying the extensive sites 125 to 133 Cromac Street and 90 to 102 Joy Street.

His Earlier Days.
The deceased gentlemen, who was about 72 years of age was born at Derriaghy, and still retained his father's farm there, as well as some adjoining lands. The late Mr McWatters served his apprenticeship with Mr. Robert Wilson and when a young man commenced ? as a master baker and confectioner at central premises  in Cromac Street. By close attention  to business and sound knowledge of the public requirements, his trade extended rapidly, and in the early eighties he found it necessary to obtain a site for much larger premises. In course of time he secured the present commodious site fronting Cromac Street, upon which stood the old brewery and late he also acquired an extensive area in Joy Street. Handsome buildings were erected, and the works were equipped with the latest and best machinery for the manufacture of all varieties of bread, pastry, and confectionary, for which Messrs. McWatters have long been famous, taking a prominent position in the list of the prize awards at all the leading exhibitions in Great Britain. Great enterprise was shown, too, in the important matter of distribution. The firm's many vans were stylishly horsed, and they have numerous smart motor delivery vans for city and country work. In the conduct of business, The late Mr McWatters has had for long time the able assistance of his brother, Mr. Samuel McWatters, and his sons, Messrs. Charles and Frederick McWatters. In addition to his large interest in the bakery trade, the deceased was a director of Messrs. J Ferguson Ltd., meat specialists, Ann St.

Life-Long hobby.
The favourite and life long hobby of the deceased gentleman was the breeding and trading of horses, specialising in high class hackneys and stylish ponies. He was a regular exhibitor at the leading shows, including the Royal Ulster and the Royal Dublin; also the principal English and Scottish agricultural shows, where an unfailing feature of attraction were his delightful single and double harness and tandem turnouts.
For his exhibits he was the winner of numerous championships and hundreds of valuable prizes.
Of genial, kindly disposition, the late Mr McWatters was a greatly esteemed personality both in and out of business, and his death will be deeply regretted by a very wide circle of friends not alone in Belfast and Ulster, But far beyond their borders.
Deceased was for a long time member of a Christ Church during the rectorship of the late revered Rev. Dr. Kane, and in later years he was worshipped, and discharged the duties of sidesman, at Knockbreda Parish Church (Rev. Louis W. Crooks, M.A).  The late Mr McWatters, whose wife preceased him, is survived by his two sons, Charles and Frederick, and six daughters, Three of latter who are married, being Mrs Norman Rea, Mrs C.V. Hill, and Mrs Edgar Boyd.
To all the friends sincere sympathy will be extended in their great loss.
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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2011, 05:54:56 AM »
Can anyone find JOHN McWATTERS parents names?
John was born < abt 1854> in Derriaghy,
died 6JAN1930 Belfast.
 
I cant find his birth, marriage or death on the IGI.
 
However Christ Church Derriaghy Graveyard has:
 
John McWatters of Aghalislone
died 1mar1898 @ 72 (Possibly Johns father?)
 
Isabella McWatters
died 21Feb1888 @ 66 (Possibly Johns Mother?)
 
Samuel McWatters
died 7jun1936 @ 67 (Johns brother)
 
Thankyou.

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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2011, 03:24:22 PM »
 
Steve,
 
This is an extract from Lisburn Miscellanny, by Fred Kee.
 
 
"The battle between town and water continues, with the water always looking for reinforcements. We are now also receiving water from the Belfast Water Commissioners' reservoirs at Stoneyford and the Silent Valley, and the demand for more water grows apace. It seems unending, and if you go up to McWatters' farm at Oldpark, Aghalislone, you will see the stream, the main feeder stream, which filled the Old Reservoir in the Wallace Park and is still playing a useful role today, Like "Ole Man River," in its own way, it keeps on rolling along.
If you would like to see this little stream, go up past Mr. Drayne's farm and take the first road on the right (Boomer's Corner), go down to McWatters' farmhouse and you are over the stream. It runs under the road.
It's very nice country round here, with winding heaving roads, good trees, a new view at every turn, and a pretty name, "Ivy Hill." The Boomer's Reservoir looks like a sheet of silver from here. Away in the distance the Mournes, and down among the smoke, the City of Belfast.
There must have been a very large tree about Ivy Hill one time, for it is marked on the 1876 map "The Big Tree." I asked a man at Derriaghy did he ever hear of it? "Oh aye, but I believe it blew down the night of the �Big Wind� ! And who am I to question that
The McWatters' farm I have mentioned was owned by the great Belfast bakery firm of McWatters. About two hundred and fifty acres in extent, it was sold up in lots about 1937. It was the time of horse-drawn breadcarts, and the farm was used, amongst other farm purposes as a holiday home for weary and retired horses. It was a very tough job pulling a breadcart over the cobble-stones and square-sets of Belfast. "
 
Link:- http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:11or_MJs6dEJ:www.lisburn.com/books/lisburn_miscellany/miscellany_3.html+Aghalislone+mcwatters&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 03:31:53 PM »

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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2011, 03:38:02 PM »
 
It looks as though John McWatters (farmer and probable father of John the Baker) was a Church Warden at Derriaghy Church in 1851.
 
1851
James Grainger and John McWatters.

Link:-
 
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TCHorVVIVLUJ:www.lisburn.com/books/derriaghy/derriaghy4.html+Aghalislone+mcwatters&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 03:50:35 PM »
 
Derriaghy Church and graveyard where the McWatters are buried?
 
http://www.lisburn.com/books/derriaghy/derriaghy-gallery.html
 
 

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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2011, 03:56:55 PM »
 
In 1844/1845, there is an Elizabeth McWatters mentioned as being a landowner in Lower Old Park
Townland of Aughalislone

 
 
LANDHOLDERS IN 1844 AND 1845
 
Lower Old Park
Townland of Aughalislone
Thos. Oak 1/0Anthony Watson 10 Wm. Brown 8 Renney Boomer 1/3 �2.2.4� Francis Brown 1/2Corrected to �2.2.3�John Brown Senr. 6� John Brown's land1/2
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John Brown Junr. 8�Mr. Robt. Moat 10/8� Edwd. Brown 1/3George Woods 2/2John Forsythe 2/7�Wm. Lewson 6/0John McAleese Junr. 1/6�Benj. Thomson 2/0Moses Corkin 1/0�Adam Steele 2/0Robt. McClure 3/5� Robt. Johnson 10 �1.0.10�Edwd. Johnson 9� Renney Boomer 5/8
Do. for Park 5/0Andw. Kernaghan 4/2Widow Fleming 2/9�Mr. Wm. Graham 4/0Jas. Seals2/10Robt. McDonnell 6John Seals 1/9�James Reid 1/0George Dodds 5 John Warring 7� 9/8Widow Grienfield 2/1� Dr. Charles Cupples 2/8
Saml. Grienfield Junr. 1/3Patrk. Crossen 9�Elizabeth McWatters 1/3
 
 
link:- http://www.lisburn.com/books/derriaghy/derriaghy5.html

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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2011, 07:24:34 PM »
hey bobdenn, mine might not be quite so interesting, but could you do a bit on my lot  :D  !!

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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2011, 07:27:08 PM »
hey bobdenn, mine might not be quite so interesting, but could you do a bit on my lot  :D  !!

17124 (or may I call you 17?),
 
It helps if you are researching such an unusual name as McWatters.....
 
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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2011, 07:53:29 PM »
bobdenn, you can call me what you like ... 17 sounds a bit girlish to me  :unsure:   No such luck but if 'General Montgomery' grabs your attention, I'm game  :smile:

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Re: MCWATTERS Families - Belfast
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2011, 01:43:40 AM »
Thanks BOBDENN, your really good at this!
 
Now that I have JOHN ( the Master Baker ) fathers name as JOHN MCWATTERS.
I have gone back in the records a generation and found the following.
 
There is a JOHN McWatters (McWaters) listed as:
- bookseller / publisher in English Street ARMAGH from 1840 - 1877
- also Church warden at DERRIAGHY in 1804  and again in 1851
The bookstore in English Street, village of ARMAGH, is also listed as "Knowledge of Christian religion - Depository "
- also and land holder (3 Acres) in ARMAGH 1877
(also Town Commissioner ? of BELFAST in 1877 )
 
JOHN (junior) comes into the records in 1861, as Church of England Young Mens Association Secretary
 
I propose JOHN (Bookseller of village ARMAGH) assisted his son JOHN (Baker of BELFAST) and brother SAMUEL, into business in downtown BELFAST.
 
>>>> Can anyone confirm a link between these two MCWATTERS family groups?
 
Cheers Steve................